'The New Atheism' by Richard Dawkins, AAI 2007

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*** This is NOT the new talk from AAI 2009, this is from 2007. I just wanted to get it up on our youtube channel. - Josh
Richard Dawkins talks about "The New Atheism" at the AAI 2007 Conference in Washington, D.C.
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@adrianjanssens7116 3 года назад

My best to the videographer who recorded this and kept up as Richard spoke and then referred to slides. Smooth and professional. Thank you.

@grimwatcher 14 лет назад

I really liked Richard's answer about the human need for ritual: A ritual can be good, it's nothing to get upset about, it can be rather moving and beautiful to celebrate our culture in symbolic terms. As long as we remember that rituals are just that, symbolic for something else

@taoandzen 15 лет назад

I found religion, saw through it, tore down its walls and threw it away. I found myself, dissected the ego, extinguished the soul and let it go. I found life, climbed its mountains, walked its forests, swam its oceans, and to nature it will be given back.

@TheAslijan 10 лет назад

i am soooo atheist that if you disintegrate me to my cells, each and everyone of them will be atheist individually. I know my comment is out of context but i cant say it outloud in my country cause there will be consequences and they will be dire. So I just wanna go on record; im an atheist...whoaaa, feels good (to be able to and to use the opportunity be honest even it s in cyber world)

@Djorgal 10 лет назад

Out of curiosity. What country is it exactly? An islamic one maybe? Also what is your name and address damn infidel?!! Hmm sorry, I got carried.

@YorickReturns 10 лет назад

Actually, 'man' was originally gender-neutral. The prefix added to the word 'man' to turn it into 'male man' survives in the word 'werewolf'. The equivalent female prefix led to the modern word 'wife'. In conclusion, 'werewolf' is sexist, and 'man' isn't.

@Dejoblue 15 лет назад

I vividly recall stopping EVERYTHING we were doing in school during the second semester, this is in 6 - 9 grade junior high/middleschool, Normally having a 7 period day of math english etc., where we would spend two weeks learning what was on the standardized tests. We would be closed up into rooms with instructors for two whole weeks, our homeroom teacher, and would go over the material for a test that lasted three days.

@ryanm7263 10 лет назад

"Atheists have no basis for morality." We know from observation that all human beings have something common to their experience: their wish to be happy and to be free from suffering and the causes of suffering. We also know from observation that all human beings are made up of the same elemental material, and that all of this elemental material has identical origins: ancient stars. This establishes our basic equality and basic commonality in an objective sense. With an objective basis for acknowledging our basic equality, and with an objective basis for acknowledging our basic commonality, we have an objective basis for moral behaviour. Behaviour which deprives other human beings of their happiness is immoral, and behaviour which does not, is not. The problem with deriving a moral code from an invisible ghost in the sky for which there is exactly zero evidence has to do with its inherent lack of objectivity. Since there is no evidence for the existence of an invisible ruler in the sky, we know that its moral edicts originate not from a really-existing ghost but from the imaginations of people who believe in ghosts. Morality which has its origins within the private perceptions of those who believe in magical ghosts is inherently unreliable, and this explains why so many of the most heinous moral crimes in human history were carried out by religious people and institutions. Nothing further needs to be said on this issue.

@world2urnin 10 лет назад

Ryan MacFarlane- A couple of points to consider- Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE X-NONE MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Point 1 "With an objective basis for acknowledging our basic equality, and with an objective basis for acknowledging our basic commonality, we have an objective basis for moral behaviour. Behaviour which deprives other human beings of their happiness is immoral, and behaviour which does not, is not." Using your "objective basis" to evaluate behaviors "...which deprives other human beings of their happiness is immoral" would logically have you defending human life of the unborn since we all share this basic commonality from conception to grave. You are ProLife, right? And- Point 2 "...and this explains why so many of the most heinous moral crimes in human history were carried out by religious people and institutions." Your statement here ignores the facts of history. The greatest moral crimes in human history were committed by Atheists. Pol Pot (~ 1.7 million murders), Adolf Hitler (~ 16 million murders), Joseph Stalin (~23 million murders), Mao Zedong (~ 50 million murders), etc...were all atheists that had millions of murders committed in the name of their "belief systems". Murder is a heinous moral crime, right? Were these atheists wrong for committing millions of murders? Where in your paradigm do you account for their actions? The God of the Bible has given us an objective standard by which we live and laws by which all peoples are judged. Regardless of Race… black, brown, red, yellow or white… Regardless of Religion… Jew, Gentile, Atheist, Pagan or Christian….We are all under the same judge and laws. The laws provide objective standards by which we establish and value human life. We protect all human life- old, young, even the unborn… because we know life is sacred. /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;}

@haiderdear909 9 лет назад

Yes that fine bcoz religious morals are sanatic conclusions. Thats why we dont respects your baseless moral.

@ryanm7263 8 лет назад

***** _Using your "objective basis" to evaluate behaviors would logically have you defending human life of the unborn since we all share this basic commonality from conception to grave_ No. Deriving our morality from an acknowledgement of our most fundamentally in-common nature and wishes does not lead into a pro-life conclusion. There are two criterion by which our treatment of others has an objective moral basis: 1) That we have common origins and composition, and 2) That we have common experience, i.e., the wish to be happy and not to suffer. Early in its development, an unborn fetus does not possess a nervous system capable of supporting the experience of self-awareness, and as such it is not capable of undergoing experiences like happiness and suffering. Because this is true, unborn fetuses early in their development cannot be evaluated in the same moral terms as other human beings. Those few atheist leaders responsible for great crimes against humanity did not commit their atrocities for atheistic reasons, nor was their lack of religious belief causal to their crimes. If anything, those individuals opposed established religions because their existence interfered with the cult of personality they sought to establish around themselves.

@Doriesep6622 4 года назад

Morality is all we atheists have.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

Belief is not proof, it is the acceptance of an idea without evidence.

@mime454 14 лет назад

Richard Dawkins is so awesome. I love the way that he always seems happy. He's really passionate about anything about which he speaks.

@Doriesep6622 4 года назад

He is sooo urbane and polished!

@mayitodelgado 14 лет назад

This is awesome, I wish hispanic speaking people can have access to these lectures.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

Crimes cannot be undone. Jail sentences do not erase the effects of the crime, they simply act as a punishment for the criminal and prevent - quite effectively - the criminal committing any more crime whilst in prison.

@XGralgrathor 14 лет назад

« calling them idiots doesn't help » Wouldn't say that. Venting frustration is a very healthy psychological mechanism. Keeps one from becoming unbalanced.

@DarkMatterVisible 6 лет назад

The very process of sequences being duplicated and then variated based on the organism's needs is the very definition of adding information. It starts with a template of what came before, and then changes that sequence creating a new bit of information. Creating new information is what evolution does, it's one of the foundations of biology.

@igorflexus9493 9 лет назад

Thanx for uploading! This is one of the better of the good ones! Love it!

@I_Am_SciCurious 15 лет назад

sonnygll Personally, modern science played a key role in convincing me there is no god. Dawkins comes from a scientific background as opposed to a primarily philosophical view, and science provides tangible evidence for how and why we came to be. It's thanks to him that I'm no longer sitting on the agnostic deist fence. Each of the well-known Atheists has their role to play; each appeals to a different mindset. I'm grateful to all of them for their work and their courage to speak out.

@queenastilon 14 лет назад

@ananiasacts "Religion works by insinuating itself into a child's psyche before they've developed the cognitive ability to even realize that this is taking place, [etc]." VERY nicely put. I'm going to make a note of that.

@brazdamnit 14 лет назад

He loves to talk about him. Because he rocks.

@auail5594 10 лет назад

Religion kills curiosity--our difference from animals

@vinloc3854 8 лет назад

People kill curiosity, religion is made by man. Christ is truth. Not man made.

@astat1 15 лет назад

It's from 2007, back then there was still hope...

@Prunesqualer 14 лет назад

If you reread my post you'll see that I was talking about the origin of the universe and not the origin of life. Given the immense age and size of out universe combined with the fact that the physics seems very conducive to the existence of complex organised systems, then the spontaneous emergence of life within our universe doesnt challenge my credulity. Continued

@JoeyTube 15 лет назад

I've been having some heated debates with theists here and there, and I've come to the sad conclusion that no matter how much rationality you throw at them, they will NOT budge... ESPECIALLY creationists and apologists! I give you a LOT of credit Richard, simply for not giving up in the face of SO much ignorance and stubbornness! Even in my few dozen debates, I've grown frustrated with all the sheer ignorance, to the point where I've just given up trying to explain things to these people...

@AtheistBrit 15 лет назад

Agreed. And how come the Ten Commandments don't include things such as "Thou shalt not rape" but DOES include things such as "Thou shalt not worship graven images"?? Priorities!

@theaccousticaddict 12 лет назад

I wasn't referring to my survival either, I was referring to the survival of of the less fortunate people and kids in third world countries who die everyday from lack of good water to drink and food.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

The power to change everything is omnipotence, knowing all is omniscience. If you know (using omniscience) HOW you are going to change a future event, you cannot change your mind - which means you're not omnipotenet. If you decide to prove doubters wrong and use your omnipotence to change the future event in a different way from the way you knew you were going to, then you are not omniscient, because you were wrong in the first place. That is why the two are mutually exclusive.

@automaticSOM 15 лет назад

The fact that science consistently yields succesful results and constantly proves itself right is proof enough for me. Of course you cannot actually do an experiment to prove that science is effective because the doing of that particular experiment entails using science in some shape or form Philosophy can be affective, but only when it is backed up by science.

@Dejoblue 15 лет назад

We dont teach children how to think critically, or how to manage money with basic economics or even have required home economics where we can learn how to cook, sew, clean etc, properly. When I left High school into the real world, I was not prepared for ridiculously simple, basic LIFE necessities. Learning in a dorm room with others just as ignorant should not be the norm for our society. Let alone critical thinking.

@kevinchamberlain7928 11 лет назад

My statement is still not overturned.

@cutes22 13 лет назад

Long after we're dead, these people will be in the history books, if all goes as it should.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

Again, I'm not a philosopher akido - I'm just some bloke, please define your technical terms if you feel that I'm misunderstanding them. Science is not based upon unproveable axioms (unlike some branches of mathematics) - it is based on the actual physical laws that are an actual feature of the universe. This is why we can often apply our theories to make new things - radio, GM foods, aircraft etc... If you really think science doesn't deal with reality - don't get on a plane!

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

Circular reasoning it may be, but to accept the alternative "If I can see / hear / smell / touch something then it cannot be real" is simply absurd! Look both ways when crossing the road is still good advice. The proof of the existence of the real world is the fact of its existence.

@zwz.zdenek 13 лет назад

My friend who is a believer started a conversation about the Ark. I said that a pair of the same species would result in inbreeding and death. And he proposed in all seriousness that Atlantis offered cloning technology to archive the DNA of many individuals to reconstruct after the flood. Isn't it brilliant?

@alittleofeverything4190 3 года назад

I learned I'm an athorist today!

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

I'm not a philosopher and if it takes a philosopher to doubt the existence of reality, I'm glad that i'm not one! The thought experiment you describe is interesting and at this time, I cannot think of a way to disprove it - neither can you, neither can anyone else - even Dawkins. Maybe you cannot be sure that the real world is real, but it's still worth looking both ways when crossing the road.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

I would say it is wise to assume you are real and what you can see is real - and therefore it makes sense to take care when crossing the road. We actually do live in a fantasy, the world we percieve with our eyes is a fabulous model that our brains construct for us to navigate around our world.

@theaccousticaddict 12 лет назад

Angels worship God because he is their creator and deserves their worship, just as he is our creator and deserves our worship. There is nothing we can offer God for the wonderful gift of life he gave to us for FREE, so the least we can do is say "thank you Lord" and that is what worship is. Why wont he accept worship? He deserves it!!

@freesalvation7 14 лет назад

Oh to be without Christ how empty life must be. "There is no God beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me and be ye save all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:21a-22 'I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11b "Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Mathew 11:28 The Justice of God was satisfied at Golgotha, Trust Christ alone

@theaccousticaddict 12 лет назад

It still deters people from committing crimes and keeps those who have offended from re offending. It is an effective way of enforcing and maintaining law and order, rewarding evil with evil and good with good. Punishment makes the society we live in condusive and adherrent to laws and order. Your ttrain of thought was is absolutely altered because it is not normal for someone not to see the aims, objectives and effectiveness of punishment in regards to adherrent of law and order in society

@Tori_TLCR 12 лет назад

I ♥ Dawkins. His ability to laugh at the theists that send him hate mail or create those fake videos is awesome and always good for a laugh.

@WhiteWomanSinging 14 лет назад

Considering that the Bible has only been printed (and therefore sold) 2 million copies, I'd say that atheism has a pretty damn good start with those statistics he just listed. GO DAWKINS!!!!

@vipaccess1 14 лет назад

This is a great infomercial for those who already have a hatred for God. RD is your saviour. Exchanging the Glory of God for the worship of the creature! How sad!

@mayitodelgado 13 лет назад

of course what I was referring to is to those that cannot speak English or go to a university where this knowledge is so common, which from my view point happen to be the most. This is not only an alternative knowledge or a choice; this is the result of a scientific investigation that ends up being the only way to grab the truth about things.

@taoandzen 15 лет назад

Yes perfection can be attained on this earth. It would require everyone to tear down the walls of division such as religion, political ideologies and nations. Very hard to imagine because humanity has the afflictions of greed, aversion and delusion. So all we can hope is that individuals take the time to really observe and studying their own minds. Then as awareness and higher consciousness arises we can take a moment to truly try to change ourselves not someone else.

@JpAiMpEeSr 15 лет назад

They are both reliable but in different ways.

@SilasCole88 10 лет назад

People make remixes all the time, doesn't mean it was a creationist who edited them.

@RodiAgnusDei 13 лет назад

1 Corinthians1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” 20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

@dejesusluisx 13 лет назад

Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism, incest, etc; things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all evil is the next step. Atheism rejects Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model,which is a step back for consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level, is now or never.

@Prunesqualer 14 лет назад

Throneofdecay- It should be clear from my first comment that I do not choose to "believe" something that is "likely imaginary". In fact I went so far as to say that I tend towards atheism. The argument that a highly organised organism(s) (gods) simply sprang intro existence and then created the universe, seems very much weaker than saying that simple mass/energy did so. However both seem bazaar to me.

@vipaccess1 14 лет назад

@nin8halos- Correction it was George Wald who said " spontanous generation of a lving organisml is impossible. Yet here we are I believe in spontanous generation." The origins of life, Scientific American, vol 190,

@awerges2205 12 лет назад

@TomFynn I agree with you completely as long as the approach doesn't involve judging him as though he is part of a religious sect that is not his own. Show them that their source material and what they believe doesn't add up, or even add up with reality in general, is completely alright in my book.

@Prunesqualer 14 лет назад

I am an agnostic who tends towards atheism. However I believe the assertion that "evolutionism leads to atheism" is a little silly. No matter how fervently one believes in it, evolutionary theory dose not disprove the existence of a god (or gods). The Catholic church and Church of England (among others) seem to be able to accept evolution.

@lazygamerz 12 лет назад

But it does not and never have prohibited people from committing criminal acts. People who would not kill in any circumstance would not kill no matter what, the ones that would kill under some circumstances will kill under those circumstances (for example lack of education, jobs, homes, food, warmth, is some of the circumstances where many will rob, steal, sometimes even kill, regardless of punishment), and the ones that will kill under all circumstances will kill under all circumstances.

@awerges2205 12 лет назад

There is also another problem where we sometimes use the term Christian too generally. Even many Christians use it too generally. Its not fair of us to react to, say, a Lutheran based on the actions and beliefs of an Evangelist or Catholic. Its a word of practically no meaning, since there are some 38,000 denominations between East Orthodox, Protestants, and Catholics. We can safely comment on their source material most of the time, but we shouldn't treat them as all the same.

@XGralgrathor 14 лет назад

« you cant not beat his message » I don't want to "beat Dawkins' message". I am absolutely convinced, reasoning from the available evidence, that evolutionary theory is at least fundamentally correct. That does not change that Dawkins is net very good at explaining it to the layman, and that his books are confused and contain various mistakes.

@TomFynn 13 лет назад

@Gazdo01 I was stating explicitly "in the examples", thus encompassing *all* the examples I gave you. Not just the Inquisition. Please try to read what's there.

@Angelslayer007 12 лет назад

Not necessarily questions, mostly statements concerning the video you sent. Scroll up and find out.

@Neanderthalcouzin 14 лет назад

@vipaccess1 They pointed to planes in the sky and said 'it's because God is on their side'. The village I stayed at in Africa had a gaggle of missionaries who came and totally destroyed their traditional artifacts and relics, burning them, burying them, and throwing them in the river. They instilled homophobia into them to such a degree that when my father was staying there they took a reported, accused homosexual man, tied him to a post in front of the church, and burnt him alive.

@theaccousticaddict 12 лет назад

you dont need to hit a child in the face because he took food, you have to scold the child and make him feel bad for what he did, showing him the wrongness in it, that is reasonable punishment, it does not need to be the application of force. Stealing is stealing whether it be food or a car or a book, stealing is stealing. Whether you teach the adult to precure money legally, it does not still take away the fact that he stole. And everyone knows that you have to work to get money

@Poisinn 15 лет назад

aGcg2H: The parents can claim that what their child is doing is wrong, as long as the activity is against the law. In the case you mentioned, the majority of the world's societies would certainly deem that as wrong. As far as it being 'immoral', well that's obviously subjective.

@vipaccess1 14 лет назад

@Horathgar42 There is a book called "Bones of contention" which goes into detail about lucy. Also think about it; a set of bones found in Africa which are held up to be the bases for Prehistoric man, when the origin of language, etc is all found in Mesopotamia.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

My comment explaining why omnipotence and omniscience are mutually incompatible has been removed, so here it is again... Ominscience is being all knowing, Omnipotence is being all powerful. You cannot be both since... If you KNOW how you are going to avert a disaster, you cannot then change your mind - so you are not all powerful. If you decided to change your mind any way in order to disprove the doubters, then you are not all knowing, because what you knew initially was wrong.

@sonnygll 15 лет назад

(continued) The point I was actually making, was this. The critics who call this "new atheism", and act like it is somehow different, and inferior, are just not well read. In fact they are willfully ignorant. Unless they think 80+ years is still new. I was also commenting on the absurdity of them calling the very polite Dr. Dawkins, strident. Hitchens is the only recent author that takes a harsh tone at all.

@Havenfall 14 лет назад

@ruecks I'm agnostic as well. I'm an agnostic atheist, which simply means I see no reason to believe in a god (atheism), and I don't claim to know either way (agnosticism). Sounds like you and I are on the same boat, we just have a disagreement over what the term atheism means, but it's not that important. Atheism isn't really anything. We have no tenants, no beliefs, no services, and no idols. We are simply people who haven't fallen for the religious trick.

@RodiAgnusDei 13 лет назад

@RodiAgnusDei I lived under communism for 9 years. If you did, you would never allow someone to dictate to you what you thought or believed ever again.

@robbiebonham 15 лет назад

Got to work eventually, though even after closing windows and relaoding / refreshing it still kept insisting on starting 5 minutes in, then stopping again at 6.20. Seems to be ok now. Must have been God trying to stop us seeing it :D

@robbiebonham 15 лет назад

Hmmm. This wont play past 6:20. Anyone else getting this problem?

@cyranothe2nd 15 лет назад

Yes, and this is unfortunate. I think the best science class I ever took was the History of Science...just explaining where we came from and how we came to these ideas. Totally fascinating and so helpful in learning the concepts.

@aldoacosta758 3 года назад

0l u gc u

@kevinchamberlain7928 11 лет назад

I take your point on "embracing", "acquiesce" is more apt, thank you. Evolution is controvertible, it it contested by creationists and others continually. I am using alternative definitions (available and permissible within oxford english) of "god" and "cult" which allow my viewpoint. I think you are right no one worships evolution. My statement is not overturned.

@robbiebonham 15 лет назад

Cheers!

@psych0185 14 лет назад

Mr. Dawkins never fails to amuse...

@JpAiMpEeSr 15 лет назад

You know what, I kind of agree with that.

@bassbasketball03 12 лет назад

Well you see that's the problem. Sure this theory states that over 13 billion years ago there existed a very hot and dense state that expanded,cooled due to that movement and produced atoms that produced elements and so on so for but there are many problems with this. 1st Heat and Density are dependent on sub-atomic particles, but yet all sub atomic particles are a RESULT of this expansion. 2nd this movement gradually cooled? Yet this process too is impossible w/o any subatomic particles.

@DeusDevoid 11 лет назад

It's entirely relevant. It's further demonstrating the massive difference between faith and sceince.

@gextvedde 15 лет назад

Atheistic moral codes are based on the fact that we have to find a way of doing things ourselves rather than expect to be told by a deity.

@TheFlyingEnginer 12 лет назад

I used to be a muslim, and now I am an atheist as well... I agree with your logic...

@-Zer0Dark- 13 лет назад

@Fantasticlist You have to keep in mind that he's speaking to a group of atheists/non-believers. Which means he's basically preaching to the choir when he presented his "no answer" video. He's not out to prove a point, he's simply sharing a laugh with a group of like-minded individuals who already know what his answer would have been and why the edited video was a laughable attempt at making him look foolish.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

Good point!

@kevinchamberlain7928 11 лет назад

If you say so but it leaves my statement standing.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

If god exists and is as you say a GOOD god, then he cannot possibly be omnipotent as choosing evil would be impossible for him.

@hokiturmix 5 лет назад

WE THANK YOU ! :D

@-Zer0Dark- 13 лет назад

@Fantasticlist Well actually, it's not a theory. It is observable. He goes into detail about genes and their development in his book "The Greatest Show On Earth"; and he does so in a much more sophistocated way than I could here. So, if you want HIS answer, I recommend you take a look at the book. But perhaps that's an overly-optimistic proposition on my part.

@vipaccess1 14 лет назад

@Horathgar42 In what way has science ruled out a Designer and life source? The laws which exist point to a Designer and life source. There was a model a person made which was at a museum, it used gears and spokes to recreate our planetary system. The model was great because it showed how all the planets interacting with each other including their moons. what caught my attention is the model had a designer but the actual Solar system has none?

@taoandzen 15 лет назад

Would you consider secular meditation a science? I do consider it as a science because of the careful analysis involved but I can see where others would argue that it is just a natural process.

@PinataPoppa 14 лет назад

Hey shotsxxx, Do YOU think it is silly to not look both ways when crossing the road?

@CousinoMacul 15 лет назад

Was that Hemant asking the second question?

@Poisinn 15 лет назад

Aikido: I never said evolution 'explains everything.' It's not supposed to, of course. The meaning of life and ethics are subjective, the existence of god is just mythology much like the existence of leprechauns, metaphysics and logic and reasoning are just processes of our evolved brain.

@theaccousticaddict 12 лет назад

Becoming wiser? Personally, becoming wiser means accepting the realities of life and working with it instead of trying to deny it and running away from it. No matter what solutions you invent, the world will still continually deteriorate in all forms of afflictions and iniquties, it will not change for the better, it will only become worse as generations pass by, and this is because the world is becoming less truthful and no amount of inventions will cleanse the earth of poverty and corruption

@monkofdeaths 12 лет назад

this is going to be a late night...

@taoandzen 15 лет назад

Over and out. I'm done, thanks for the discussion.

@theIraqiAtheist 15 лет назад

very good point

@sakar181 14 лет назад

@JimbleBass Unfortunately not. Wish I were, but Im not in Austin and haven't the money to donate ATM. I was just giving examples of what some atheist groups do for socialization.

@johmedis 11 лет назад

Funny definition considering I've often used that to describe any religious individual I've had the misfortune of hearing speak

@Neanderthalcouzin 14 лет назад

@vipaccess1 He is to the ancient Akoss people. Krishna is to his followers, Horus was to his, the Roman Gods were unprecedented, there is a guru believed to be a living God in India, who performs miracles, and over 1 million people crowded around him for his birthday. Everything you described is cultural evolution. In order to teach a hunter gatherer to be a good moral Christian, you first must translate the bible, which means teaching them about slavery, genocide, prisons, death penalties, etc

@TheRacistsMustDie 13 лет назад

I just realized 2 things today: first isn't it rather strange that of all the people associated with New Atheism there is not 1 social scientist? & second why do we accept it that a(n exact[?]) scientist like Dawkins talks about the subjects of social science we would find it probably (& rightfully so) completely absurd if a social scientist would do the same with the subjects of natural science?

@davey9000 12 лет назад

I am saying this without bias, Dawkins is not pushing evolution just because he's an atheist. That's just a fact

@Kulgur 15 лет назад

But if you count Khorne's demons as extensions of himself, his demons's kills gets added to his total (in the same way that most of YHWH's kills are performed by angels). In that case, the invasion of Lustria (during the collapse of the polar gates) alone gives him at least a 10:1 lead on YHWH, and since then, Warhammer Fantasy alone has given him several thousand years to gather kills. If you add the kills during Warhammer 40.000... Yeah, Khorne wins.

@TomFynn 13 лет назад

@Gazdo01 Let's see: An infallible leader whose every word must be obeyed, a bright future promised in the distant future (promised only for the faithful), a bunch of devout followers, a clear sense of "if you're not with us you are against us", persecution of everybody who was perceived to be the latter, the firm belief that there was a Plan and that it was in a Book...Sounds pretty Christian to me.

@vipaccess1 14 лет назад

@markgg1 Actually it is the other part of the story of the Gospel which many miss is it is first the Holy Spirit which is knocking on the heart of people, but people resist the Holy spIrit of God which convicts the world of Sin. Many missionaries who work in remote areas find people who already have a knowledge of God. Who sent the missionary to that area? God said he moves heaven and earth for one who seeks him

@kevinchamberlain7928 11 лет назад

You make interesting points. I absolutely agree with your opinion on religious dogma. Scripture and religion are two separate entities however. What if a creationist found verses within scripture that were in accord with science (and maybe even ahead of science by millenia) would that be fact or faith now?

@CrimeEnjoyer 15 лет назад

Me too, I get all giddy.

@DentistD1G 12 лет назад

@BrotherhoodOfShadows 3rd point : yes we don't need to to base our discussions in the unknown, simply because of 2 things: -the fact that we don't something dose not mean god made them. the argument that is "you don't know , I don't know ,so am right" is childish at best. -we have everything we need to disapprove religion at our hand (we would have had the prove if god gave it to us as you say , cuz the word of god must withstand any examination by humans to be a clear msg in this life/warnning