It's weird seeing formula 1 and formula e switch between their ideals with f1 having more street tracks and less traditional tracks and formula e going completely opposite this seasion in fe being a good example.
Can't disagree with that. However Formula E is switching more based on the fact that the cars are starting to get too fast for some of their street tracks vs. F1 which is switching for the money.
@@W123KartSportI wouldn't say that the gen 3 is currently slower than the last season of gen 2, however there is more danger in the gen 3 with the debris from what i saw last season. Also tracks for FE seems to be cheaper based on how Rome was replaced.
F1 is pricing out racing tracks from hosting events. For once it's not an FIA thing. Look at WEC, cheap tickets, the races go up on RU-vid a week or so later, more coverage online for free... Everything F1 seems to be about scamming the most amount of money out of everyone they can. The thing is though, some street circuits can be great. But some race tracks can be awful. We'll have to see how it is.
its a bit of a double edged sword, people dont want street circuits, but they also want easily accessible tracks and things to do in the surrounding area, which is easier to come by in cities.
F1 is pricing out racing tracks from hosting events. For once it's not an FIA thing. Look at WEC, cheap tickets, the races go up on RU-vid a week or so later, more coverage online for free... Everything F1 seems to be about scamming the most amount of money out of everyone they can. The thing is though, some street circuits can be great. But some race tracks can be awful. We'll have to see how it is.
La única pista urbana infumable es Mónaco.........y nadie la cuestiona.Singapur,Arabia,las de USA,Azerbayan..........son todas muy divertidas ,con adelantamientos.Sin embargo Montmeló,Hungría,Francia,Alemania........no se puede adelantar,son una mierda de circuitos.
I agree on Kyalami, Hockenheimring/Nurburgring and Sepang coming back, what great tracks with history! These being left out of the calendar each year is terrible!
Can someone explain how a NEW circuit is more sustainable than MAINTAINING an existing infrastructure with existing grand stands and facilities. Surely, upgrading is more sustainable?
Yeah i know the tracks are some distance away from the airports but it doesn't sound like a good idea to close off parts of the city every year. I mean i don't hate street circuits in general but not every single race just a few
@@Ikcatcher The big thing is setting up and tearing down the surrounding infrastructure that will only be used once a year, whereas Catalunya is used nearly year round due to the temperate climate and the only setup and teardown is basic track maintenance.
Cannot understand how they can give 10-year-contracts to untested new circuits. At least do a shorter contract first and test if the track is exciting before committing for that long.
Objection: They never said they were gonna replace Barcelona. In fact, the circuit of Barcelona Catalunya is planning on hosting a GP in 2026, as their contract includes that year, so I can see the chance of having 2 GPs in Spain, at least for 1 year.
10 years ago this would have been celebrated and welcomed with open arms. However we are approaching a point where the balance of Street circuit vs. road course. IndyCar has had this same issue with regards to the schedule now being dominated by road and street circuits and only 4 oval tracks are left (albeit some of the ovals are double header events). And only 1 of those oval races (Indianapolis 500) is using the Super Speedway aero kit. The rest are short ovals 1.25 miles in length or shorter
It's funny how for years people were complaining about how Catalunya is a boring track. But when Madrid is announced everyone suddenly wants to save Catalunya.
@@jonnym610 No, but because if F1® really replace Catalunya as a permanent circuit with Madrid as a semi-permanent circuit, it is a "downgrade". Indeed, not all people like Catalunya, but as I said, that is a "downgrade". At least, I heard Madrid is not to set to replace Catalunya completely.
i have been to like 6 gps and last year I went to barcelona 23 race. It was amazing. I had seats at t1 and I saw litterally EVERY overtake there was. it was the best f1 gp experience I have had. yes the T1 seat really helped. I could see also see t6 and t7. Everyone talked about how boring the race was etc etc. yes on tv it was boring but I saw like 30 overtakes in t1. Yeah f1 doesnt show like a p13 overtake but it was great. the circuit is also placed very well. its pretty good acces, sad to see this race maybe go away. I really liked it and it was a great experience
Im excited but more on curious how it turns out like Las Vegas, but removing a well established track is a slap in the face for fans in my opinion, having it to rotate yearly basis is a good idea
Before everyone starts, I've always had the attitude of 'Don't knock it until you've tried it'. And I'll stick by that when F1 breaks even more new city ground. I just wish we could have gone to Motorland Aragon. Or back to Jerez.
I dont mind moving away from the overused Testtrack that is Barcelona. I'm okay with moving on. I'm not even opposed to many street tracks if they make sense or are at least semi permanent tracks that fit into the grounds they're built on. But forcing a race into a city, when there's plenty of tracks that could be upgraded to the grade 1 license instead of building entirely new ones is just a waste of space and resources.
Oh they will for sure try to make it one😅 and I bet the run-off areas are gonna be painted in this HORRIBLY ugly light blue like we have/had in Miami, Russia, Saudi, Valencia... 😩🙇🏻♂️
IMHO I think this is also partly a political decision. I think the Spanish officials weren’t too happy about having the Spanish GP in Catalonia and hearing the Catalan anthem every time before the race
It is, given the political climate between the central government in Madrid and the Catalan government, not to mention that the PM only got a second term due to negotiations with the Catalan separatists promising them amnesty. Something which the two right-wing parties are not happy about
IMPORTANT: They literally said on their news article that they are not intending on dropping Barcelona. There is a contract set through 2026 and I doubt they will want to lose that deal.
I don't really mind street tracks, as long as there isn't too many on the calendar, for me the street tracks that should stay are Melbourne, Singapore, Monaco, Canada and Baku, they are all street circuits that have provided great moments, and I like them personally.
Maybe they wanna renovate Catalunya, maybe they wanna test the new 2026 car regs in place if its comes to fruition, but imo what a waste of money for making an event that you already have but maybe my prediction was right ( renovate Catalunya )
In the end, I reckon there needs to be variety - a balance of tracks. Street circuits aren't inherently bad, and Baku is a testament to that. But the worrying trend of new tracks being largely street circuits throws off that balance. It pushes the whole sport towards specialising in street racing, which isn't what F1 is about, in the end. If the trend continues, then teams have to start designing their cars towards being street-specialised machines (i.e. designed to perform best in uneven, comparatively slow conditions) to the detriment of their performance at facilities genuinely designed for them. A car designed to deal with the majority of tracks being uneven with lots of slow corners and speedbreaker chicanes won't perform anywhere near as well on a fast, smooth, flowing track. Anyone who watched the World Endurance Championship in 2023 will have seen the Peugeot, a car specialised around low drag and exploitation of the ground effect, do dreadfully on the uneven surface at Sebring, while managing a podium at the comparatively smooth, fast Monza. If F1 is to keep the current concept of car (i.e. the ground effect cars we have now) then it can't allow itself to drift into having huge numbers of street circuits, else it risks creating a series where unoptimised cars try to exploit the ground effect on circuits that are unsuitable for that kind of racing and their design is so centred around street courses that when they get to a permanent facility, the cars can't actually make the best of it. If F1 wants fan engagement and good racing, then they need a harmonious relationship between the ruleset and the tracks the series uses. Currently, it seems they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. Or at least that's what it looks like from the perspective of a fairly new fan.
The problem is not replacing by a street circuit, the main problem is development. Catalunia has a combo, slow, mid and high speed corners and a very long straight. That's why this track is used for testing and for mid season upgrades. Removing this, will affect the ability to develop and test new parts, specifically for the mid to lower grid teams.
I dont mind another street track as long as they don't replace classics like Spa, Monza, Monaco, Silverstone, Hungaroring for example. Barcelona wasn't that great. But as an American I'm just glad a new one will not be here. We have enough circuits. Arguably too many right now. I could honestly do without Miami but Vegas and Cota are good.
I am down for new tracks. But can we get rid of some tracks that are crap. Monaco for one has to go. Or use it as an exhibition pre-race with some points given and the bragging rights but Monaco is the worst track to watch f1. Unless it’s rain, the race ends the same way it started.
I think it because of the current tensions between Spain and the district of catalunya about independence and then not wanting it to be the Spanish gp in a potential independent state
They also aren’t wanting the new camp nou to hold the final of the World Cup which Spain will co host because of the same reason, so this is a potential reason
I do feel like F1 are focusing a lot more on the added danger that street circuits bring as way of ensuring greater crowds (and so greater money!), but forgetting that traditional tracks are just as risky!
My opinion; Allot of tracks in the US are fighting noise complaints from racing. The fact that we are getting races in population centers is kind of cool. I say enjoy the benefits of the street circuits while they last cause they probably won't. Let F1 cash in and maybe we can relax some of the cost cutting (& 100 page regulations) going on with the cap. With the extra income from this current boom, F1 could lower the cost traditional tracks have to pay so they can make costly improvements. Example would be new run off areas that will penalize track limits without sand traps and penalties. One of the best ideas I've heard is to eliminate sausage curbs and replace the track limits with a lattice of concrete strips with AstroTurf laid in between. Like 5mm strips.
My honest reaction to that circuit is just a blank. I don't know how to react anymore with how many street circuits they're adding. It's just one after another that I have just no idea. I just know it's going to slowly push out existing purpose-built circuits, maybe even iconic/historic ones. Now it's a case of how far is F1 willing to go with adding in street circuits that purpose-built ones are no longer being given any attention anymore. So many circuits can be brought back, but they just keep making new ones that not many are really asking for to begin with. As a side note, it feels weird that Formula E is I think somewhat going in the other direction (not as much) and slowly bringing in more races in purpose built circuits alongside street ones. They introduced Portland last year and now Misano and Shanghai are also debuting this year as well.
I think I would be much more interested in this race/layout if Jeddah, Miami, and Vegas hadn't just been added. There are definitely sections here in interested to see, but the sour taste from the other three makes it hard to get legitimately excited about the announcement.
After what i saying on your previous video, now I don't know what to say, i hope Formula 1® keeping Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya for pre-season testing. By the way, Hola, Madrid! 👋🙋♂️ Another semi-permanent track alongside Melbourne and Montreal is coming. 23/01/2024 18:51 At My Local Time.
Now, I will update my bucket list Formula 1® circuit: Pre-season testing: 🇪🇸 Circuito de Jerez 🇪🇸 Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya but *WITHOUT* Chicane Mid-season testing: 🇮🇹 Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello Young Driver Test: 🇮🇹 Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari (Imola) Grand Prix (by country, some with rotate): 🇦🇺 Albert Park Circuit 🇲🇾 Sepang International Circuit 🇨🇳 Shanghai International Circuit 🇧🇭 Bahrain International Circuit (Sakhir, Grand Prix layout) 🇶🇦 A new permanent track for all FIA-sanctioned racing (Most probably not Losail) 🇿🇦 Kyalami Racing Circuit 🇫🇮 Kymi Ring 🇳🇱 Circuit Zandvoort 🇵🇹 Autodromo Internacional do Algarve (Portimão) 🇪🇸 IFEMA Madrid "International Semi-Permanent" Circuit 🇲🇨 Circuit de Monte-Carlo 🇨🇦 Circuit Gilles Villeneuve 🇦🇿 Baku City Circuit 🇫🇷 Rotating between Nevers Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard with better layout 🇦🇹 Red Bull Ring 🇬🇧 Silverstone Circuit 🇩🇪 Rotating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring 🇭🇺 Hungaroring 🇧🇪 Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps 🇮🇹 Autodromo Nazionale di Monza 🇹🇷 InterCity Istanbul Park Circuit 🇸🇬 Marina Bay Street Circuit 🇯🇵 Suzuka International Circuit 🇰🇷 Korea International Circuit (Yeongam) 🇮🇳 Buddh International Circuit 🇸🇦 Most probably rotating between Jeddah and a new permanent track in Qiddiya (Still under construction) 🚧👷🚜 🇺🇸 Circuit Of The Americas 🇲🇽 Autódromo Hermanos Rodriguez 🇧🇷 Autódromo Jose Carlos Pace (Interlagos) 🇦🇪 Yas Marina Circuit 23/01/2024 19:03 At My Local Time.
@@sylvanusblimpo154 Yes, but with rotation in some country. I brave to say that my idea is 30-race calendar because I think F1® need to split all crew into two separate sets like in NASCAR. Of course, on the other side in my fantasy, I do this with 14 different teams competing. It's just my fantasy, currently. But no one knows what happened one day later (particularly in 2030).
We need to stop bitching about track layout. We did the same thing with Vegas, and it turned out to be a banger. Let’s see cars on track before we complain too much
Ok adding new Street Circuits to the calendar is one thing, having Street Circuits straight up replace pre-established circuits on the calendar is another thing entirely. I'm not even the biggest fan of the Barcelona circuit but F1 have been racing there since 1991, a 30+ year history chucked in the bin for what... another street circuit when we have already have 9 on the calendar already. This sets a dangerous precedent, I live in the UK and there are some prominent politicians who want a London GP, Silverstone is now genuinely at risk. Hell I remember when F1 management wanted a Rome GP, that could put Monza at risk. Don't you dare Liberty Media, don't you dare.
Barcelona de Catalonia circuit is hit or miss. It only has given great races when weather conditions are wet, or cloudy. Clear weather, it’s a borefest so why not let them setup a race in Madrid and see what happens?
This has to stop F1 is getting away from what has made it the pinnacle of motorsport. Traditionally apart for Monaco F1 has been about racing on purpose built tracks and that is what it should continue to be. Very soon F1 will become like Formula E every race on a street circuit why because of money not for the fans
Devastated.....we adore Barcelona (the city) and had planned to visit sometime in the future to also attend the GP. Madrid is a bit M'eh, once was enough and would not re-visit foe a street circuit. When Liberty Media took over I feared that overt commercialisation would kill the sport....looks increasingly going to happen. Upside......looks we are going to Barcelona next year......we had Spa penciled for 2025
Personally I prefer racing over what F1 has become. I enjoyed the days when refueling was allowed and cars were driven as fast as possible for the entire race. Last year, for an example, Singapore was a joke of a race where every driver was managing tires. The same goes for Qatar where the limitation of F1 cars became clear on a track designed for motorbike racing. How absurd to have preprogrammed pitstops due to concerns over tires and even going to the length of modifying the circuit midway through the weekend. Beyond Madrid, I hear of a potential race in Chicago, IL? What has become 100% clear is F1 has reached a point where they no longer care about the racing, it is more about the show and if you want a good show, then put it in the middle of a city center. However, It looks like Madrid will be in some warehouse district and not in the city centre at all: OMG…how exciting.
It shouldn’t matter if it’s a street circuit or not. If the track provides good racing I don’t see what the problem is. A lot of people were doggin on Vegas yet it produced one of the best races we’ve had in 2023. The hate against street circuits are irrational when some of these proper tracks don’t even provide good racing.
I try not to dunk on street races too much but...really? Barcelona might not have been an interesting track until they got rid of the S3 chicane, but it has pedigree. It's one of the most recognizable circuits on the globe. And this store-brand Long Beach knockoff is supposed to replace it? Are you having a laugh?
Utter disgrace. Barcelona is actually a great circuit. An all-rounder as well. A lot of history and during the past couple of years it did a lot to improve the racing and change the layout back to what it originally was(I know Turn 10 is slightly different, but still similar to the pre-2004 version). To remove it off the calender is a HUGE shame and all F1 drivers and team members should protest against that.
This feels like getting kicked in the balls for no reason Barcelona is my personal favourite track... Its the track I play by far the most of my time in the F1 game , it is the track I know best... Barcelona has no reason to get replaced , it has no trouble selling tickets ... why replace it with a street track?
Was Cataluña's circuit boring (for F1 cars)? Absolutely. Does it look like this circuit will be boring? Sure. Will the tickets be extremely expensive and the facilities be overcrowded due to poor planning by the authorities? You absolutely bet (see Madcool festival). I live close to Madrid, so yay for proximity. But I don't think I'll want to spend whatever they charge for a seat (since there will be no pelouse I suppose).
What timeline have we ended up on where FE is getting more permanent circuits and F1 more street circuits. Then you have Indycar fans wanting more ovals. Its seems like fans of every series are getting a bit screwed.
I don’t like F1 racing in Barcelona because generally produces boring races. Said that, this Madrid layout looks awful for on-track action at a first glimpse!
People don't understand that even if we can all agree street circuit sucks (except Monaco and Singapore) there're more street circuit because it cost less than making a new classic circuit like spa or cota