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The New Graham Audio LS8/1 Video Review! (..is that the Spendor BC1 standing next to them? Why yes!) 

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Oh - by the way, before the sharp-eared amongst you get on the comments train.. I did refer a couple of times in the video to the LS6.. I meant the LS3/6!!! It's the pressure... It's not enough of a gaff to bring Dennis Norden back!
Tony from Phonostage Audio gets his mitts on the new Graham Audio LS8/1. The long awaited and rather fabulous LS3/6-esque design by Derek Hughes - and whilst he has his hands on a pair he also pitches them against some other Graham Audio classics as well as his own trusty Spendor BC1s (Well why not?? They do look rather similar!)
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Комментарии : 34   
@AndrewDCDrummond
@AndrewDCDrummond Месяц назад
Sounds like you need Stirlings v3 ls3/5as and the AB-2s plus an RME ADI-2 FS with configurable loudness curves for different volumes.
@hushpuppykl
@hushpuppykl 2 года назад
I just heard them … they are mesmerizing! It’s a must listen to speaker.
@roybanks8709
@roybanks8709 2 года назад
Looking forward to the review and comparison to other graham speakers and also the SB 3/6.
@Soundapple
@Soundapple 10 месяцев назад
Looking forward to your follow-up videos on the comparison of BBC-style speakers and the LS5/8 👍
@paulmastermann2200
@paulmastermann2200 2 года назад
Nice review as always! Thank you for that!
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
A complete pleasure Paul. Thanks for watching!!
@PeterJones-yq1xw
@PeterJones-yq1xw Год назад
Very interesting overview of these speakers. Sadly, I think my room is too small for these wonderful speakers (4m x 4.5m), especially as you commented on your own listening room which is a tad larger. Also, wonder whether my Leben CS600x would drive then successfully? Should I buy? Presently using Harbeth P3XDs on Ton Trager stands and fronted by a Well Tempered Versalex/Dynavector 17DX.
@jimmy1727
@jimmy1727 2 года назад
I made a mistake. I meant the LS 5/9 instead of the LS 3/5.
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
I’m glad you amended your question! I would have been stuck! I sold our pair of 5/9s just before the 8/1s arrived so never heard them back to back. But did collect notes and thoughts for a review of the 5/9! Essentially the 5/9 is more ‘present’ than the 8/1, more mid/vocals/percussion and more analytical. It’s a revelation of production! Like a big LS3/5a. The 8/1 is bigger sounding, more bass, more rounded but still great mids, it is just a bit more domestic. For most people the 8/1 will be more enjoyable… it is a very impressive speaker! But for those that are happy sat three feet away from a pair of LS3/5s they will probably prefer the 5/9
@jimmy1727
@jimmy1727 2 года назад
Thank you for the answer. That is indeed helpful.
@pickyaudiophile
@pickyaudiophile 2 года назад
Looking forward to your LS5/8 review. Linchpin to deal with might be driver integration (by that I mean frequency response in the crossover region and thinkable directivity issues with these two rather unequal drivers). .....But let's wait with some pleasant anticipation.
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
I will be getting to that one.. I will have in mind what you mentioned. My thoughts are on apparent voids and contrary to that apparent 'over projections' and difficulty placing myself to sink into oblivion. I can't tell you in such technical terms as what frequency is crossing over with what. I do hear it though and describe it in terms of the instrument I am focussing on, then broaden it out to the mix. It's a review from musician's point of view rather than a technician!! It will be an interesting review and I am looking forward to more hours with these. In many respects they are the best sounding speaker we have here at the moment.
@pickyaudiophile
@pickyaudiophile 2 года назад
​@@phonostageaudio4819 Thank you for your excellent work with such tangible desription of what you perceived with each speaker (pair)! It's up to other reviewers to take a leaf out of your book. Just to conclude my initial comment, about a year ago Graham built a prototype called "LS5/8S" with a slotted front (baffle), conceptually related to the LS5/5. I guess they did so to investigate if LS5/8's summary beam angle could be harmonised even more all across the frequency range. - But I think that idea has been dismissed ultimately (traces and few photos can still be found by search engines).
@kjbunnyboiler
@kjbunnyboiler 2 года назад
Having only seen the 8/1 in pics I must admit I thought they were a new take on the original Rogers Studio One which I had in the early 80’s. Seeing then in this video, yes they are certainly more BC1 in size and shape. I’m curious about the 5/8 as well, remember seeing them (but not hearing them) back in the 70’s I guess and always fancied them but they were active in their Rogers format ( and expensive used) The Chartwell (PM450) form they were even more rare, anyway looking forward to your thoughts.
@jimmy1727
@jimmy1727 2 года назад
Christmas greetings from Germany and thank you for the interesting videos. I plan to purchase a Graham Audio speaker, but I am unsure which one. Could you provide a short comparison of the characteristics of the LS5/5, LS3/5 , LS5/8 and LS8/1? Thanks.
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
HI Jimmy - That's a big question for a short answer! I have many powers but can't do that...
@briancampbell7712
@briancampbell7712 3 месяца назад
is the best of those the Graham LS 5/8❓
@heinzr9734
@heinzr9734 2 года назад
Thank you for the very insight full first description of the LS 8/1. I already had a Spendor SP 1/2 in the early 1990's. My first BBC like listening experience was a BC1 at a dealer as a teenager when I could not afford it, and that was one of the sound impressions of life that you do not forget. But already in the 1990s, a BC1 was already almost impossible to repair with the spare parts and the SP 1/2 played satisfactorily. I bought an original Rogers LS5/9 from BBC Studios cheap on ebay 27 years ago, I had to replace the tweeters and fortunately Audax had reissued this type. I had compared my visually badly damaged wreck, which was technically good, in a hi-fi store with a then new Harbeth Monitor 30, with the same dimensions, and I liked the old Rogers better. But I completely agree with you, as you replied to someone else here, the LS5/9 is exceedingly precise and more a very high quality tool. It is also very merciless in the bass. The LS5/9 is not interested in reproducing deeper bass. Unlike an LS3/5a, it doesn't even try to fake bass, on the contrary, the LS 5/9 is rather austere and not "cozy". For this reason, in addition to a SB LS 3/5 V2 (since 2006), I have a SB LS 3/6 since 2016, fulfilling my longing that I sometimes felt because for many years the SP1/2 is no longer there, and I think that the SB LS3/6 does even better so. I must add that I hear different speaker concepts for different competencies. Of course an LS 3/6 doesn't have the dynamics as a Klipsch Jubilee, which BTW I don't listen to loud to the Klipsch, even if they look like. But the colorfulness and the almost paradoxical mixture of emotional sonority and also this sober coloration-free imaging of the SB LS 3/6 are not achieved by the other speakers, the LS 3/6 Type of speaker (not only the SB incarnation I would say) adresses mind and heart at the same time. The sound of the LS 3/6 never tires me, if I don't listen too loud. There is only one point of criticism and that is that the speaker unconsciously educates me a bit what kind of music I listen to, I drift more into classical music or Voices, Piano classical guitar etc. So Miles Davis or Art Farmer with six horn players on the Klipsch or big Tannoy seems a bit more realistic to me. But still, if I had to go to the famous island with only a type of speakers, it would be the Stirling Broadcast LS 3/6, because with it it's all about "listening in" and less about "being exposed". Now, getting back to the topic of your video, I'm very curious to hear your future impressions of the new LS8/1 from Graham Audio compared to the SB LS3/6. Even if you like the LS 8/1 better, I assume that the LS 3/6 will not fail completely in comparison. At least I will not exchange it, which I personally like very much, for "nuances", I have grown fond of it. Also financially it would be unwise for me to get used 2,800€ for the SB and pay 5500€ for the new GA. I would even guess that the speakers sound relatively related, since Derek Hughes also tuned the SB LS3/6. In the end, there may be differences in drivers, or whether one of the manufacturers uses MDF and plywood or only plywood, or other nuances of a very comparable concept, or in other words, of two interpretations of the same concept. Thanks for reading.
@Roudaki677
@Roudaki677 2 года назад
I’m late to the party but Hotter than July came out in the fall of 1980.
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
Ahhh - that would be right. My sister had a copy and played it all the time! I would have been about 12 or 13
@briancampbell7712
@briancampbell7712 3 месяца назад
please answer some comment questions❓
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 3 месяца назад
Will do… apologies have been a bit busy. Will catch up this week
@RamLin058
@RamLin058 2 года назад
These are x2 the price of LS6f or about that. Interested in how the two compare
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
Indeed they are more expensive but not twice as much, the Derek Hughes version might have been but the standard UK RRP at the time of writing is £4712 without stands (so the LS6f is about 70% of the LS8/1) - and there is some fun to be had making comparison in a couple of ways. It is certainly closer than the LS5/9f, as the 5/9f has a considerably larger cabinet volume (the LS6 also has a larger volume but less so). Also the LS6f is more domestically voiced which I did also think was the case with the LS8/1, whereas the 5/9 and 5/9f are more 'monitorish' to my ears. You are right though, they do need to be played next to each other to see where they really fit. I will get the LS6fs out this weekend and do some serious listening. Unfortunately I have now sold the LS5/9s that we had in as that would have been a good experiment. I do still have the LS5/9fs here though, they are a permanent fixture. I would naturally expect the LS8/1 to better the LS6/f but one never knows! One thing I should have said about them is that they are very, very clear, but not monitorish in their overall presentation. They would suit any 'normal' HiFi environment.
@lapetitemortbis
@lapetitemortbis Год назад
@@phonostageaudio4819 may I ask what you mean by “monitorish”?
@lapetitemortbis
@lapetitemortbis Год назад
@@phonostageaudio4819 Also what do you mean by “ domestically voiced”?
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 Год назад
@@lapetitemortbis See above!
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 Год назад
@@lapetitemortbis HI.. 'Monitorish' is my way of describing leaning towards a monitor sound. If you don't know what that sounds like try sitting in front of a pair of NS10s or even LS5/9s for a period then go back to a set of Quad S2s or something... The NS10s and LS5/9s are seemingly bright, seemingly lacking in bass and seemingly unexciting (the NS10 being the more obvious example), and not everyone's cup of tea. Some people though do like this (myself included), but do want a good HiFi experience as well.. so different speakers have more - or less 'monitorishness'. Maybe just a spoonful for some. It's accuracy over flavour, function over form. Though not all are actually accurate, they may be designed to excel more at one thing than the other and all seem to focus on excelling at midrange and voices. Again that can result in a very forward sound. The compromise of this would be to design something easier on the ear, more liveable, less fatiguing and not technically good enough for studio use. Maybe a bit more scooped - or bassy - or lush or smooth or whatever!! This is form over function, flavour over accuracy, it has to be nice, kind, loveable and addictive. Something that sounds instantly great when your friends call round or your wife pops her head round the door. Not all musical listening is a job to do or an analytical exercise, sometimes you want it to just sound great! But like anything, there is not just one or the other and you don't have a stark choice to make. It's a spectrum, with a pair of 1976 Wharfedales at one end and a pair of NS10s at the other. Every speaker must lie in-between. If you or any other of our subscribers know of any outliers I would love to hear about them!
@briancampbell7712
@briancampbell7712 3 месяца назад
I think the LS 8/1 are nice but over priced...In think i'd rather invest into the LS 5/8...unless your room is small
@dittonworks
@dittonworks 2 года назад
Oh gosh… I’d love to hear those.. Derek is my all time favourite loud speaker designer. Harsh BC-1!? No way.. they must be way out of spec if they were. The Celestion HF1300-Cole’s super tweeter is one of the best sounding ever.. that’s not just my opinion either. My good friend Ed Form (former technical director at Celestion) had told me the same. The fact that he rectified the fairly high rejection rate of HF1300’s for Derek himself, speaks volumes for the man. I must pop up and visit your place.. you’ve got some awesome kit. 😃
@phonostageaudio4819
@phonostageaudio4819 2 года назад
Indeed - Harsh! I think not I will find you the link... And yes, of course you are very welcome to visit! We've got gluten free biscuits and decaff!!
@howardmilstein9915
@howardmilstein9915 2 года назад
The BC1 midrange is still exceptional; the Celestion 1300 indeed has a small peak at in its upper range- more noticeable on brighter recordings. A British dealer has compared them in depth; the results: if you need more bass and power handling- the LS8-1 is for you. Otherwise, the mid/treble balance are “virtually “ about the same. Well worth hearing, I would think.
@remymeijer8607
@remymeijer8607 2 года назад
LS 8/1 only 6000 euro's more expensive than a good BC1 set.
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