I love how the ships have the two varietiants on one hull lore, then you look at the hand drawn pictures and, well, ain't no way the Defender and Majestic started with the same chassis.
I have always liked the look of the Nebula and Endurance classes. Something about the look of that space triangle vs other space triangles just appeal to me.
Can I comment that I really liked Zahn's mention of the Nebula and Endurance classes in the Hand duology? He put them in idependant planetary/Sector fleets, showing that the Republic was *Not* a monolithic government that hoarded its bets tech for the central government. It had no equivalent to say, the SLDF Royals in Battletech where the most loyal force got the strongest gear. YOur sector wants to buy the newest defense ships? Sure! Takes some of the stress off of the Five Fleets! (Also the smaller provisions bays make the New Class actually kinda self-restraining if a sector wants to go rogue and start conquering anyone but its closest neighbors in earnest.)
I vaguely recall that when you and Eck read it in tapcaf one of you interpreted it as an insult to have it show up in one of the rabblerousing fleets over Bothuwi, but I really thought it was great worldbuilding.
That's not what his job is, nor is it what the story group does. They're a resource creators are able to consult, not a governing body with the authority to tell people what they can or can't do.
I can see where people are coming from about SWTOR republic armour but personally I find it really cool, and it’s not like kotor old republic soldiers weren’t similar to the rebel soldiers from a new hope. So I can easily rationalise it as a tradition of the republic to copy and standarise Mandalorian armour
To add a couple of points in support to that. The star wars galaxy has had FTL space travel for thousands of years and has developed continually...but like a basic ship hull irl for sea travel, once you have a pretty good design there's no point changing the basics. As example a fleet carrier from ww2 really doesn't look vastly different to a modern one bar a few design differences. Now the stuff under the surface such as propeller shape or internal radar design can and has been very different but you won't see that at a cursory glance. Fitting an extra torpedo tube on a fighter because munitions have shrunk is a big deal but you also won't see it at a brief look. Further more concerning the "clone look" as you said it's Mandalorian...and short of the clones of the GAR (which were also a type of Mandalorian subculture) they are probably the most successful Military culture in star wars history, so it's only natural to adopt it. Same thing happened with Prussian infantry formations and British flight training, and all sorts of methods get traded in NATO currently. The only difference here is the galaxy far far away has been doing all this on a grand scale for far longer.
That would limit the "creativity" of intellectual juggernauts like Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams, though. They can't totally destroy the fundamentals of hyperdrive if there's someone telling them that's not how hyperdrive fucking works. That'd make them mad, and they'd go off and cry like the entitled shits they are. As for Filoni and Favreau's stuff...I can't explain that. They're both good about knowing events and occurrences in the EU, so why THEY haven't done a fleet fight...idfk. I love the fleet fights. They're one of the core reasons I love SW. Now that my childhood hero has been character assassinated to piss half the audience off (Rian's own words, he doesn't like it when everyone likes the movie, he wants half the audience to hate it, so they'll talk about it forever,) now there aren't fleet fights or starship fights in SW *AT ALL* anymore.
@@nuclearsimian3281 ignoring the cringe ass tears about the sequels everyone fucking ignores it anyways Prime example get a look at legends cline wars timeline Or when ships get introduced, it's always been a shot show lmfao
@@goldenfiberwheat238 he literally cant force shit, the idea of a lore keeper is flawed and stupid since day one no way he can force ''easter eggs'' like that when people like dave filoni, abrams and such have been doing whatever they want
@@kR-qj7rw well the director of andor said he didn’t know what any of that stuff in that guys shop was. His artists just put that stuff there without his knowledge (starkillers armor, the holocrons, etc)
The artwork from the 'Craken Threat Dossier' might better be described as the 'On Crack Threat Dossier', the crude pencil scketches are some of the worst ever put to print.
Yeah, the "Cracken's Threat Dossier" ship art was ugly as sin. If it wasn't for the new designs in "Warfare" I don't think we'd be talking about the New Class ships at all. They'd have just remained forgotten.
Star Wars tends to have a bit of an "iconography" issue where stuff's used because it was in the movies, rather than if it makes sense. I'm all for iconic designs and maintaining a coherent style for factions, but using the same designs over and over just gets boring.
I just assumed it was like WW2 where the fancy ships were arguably too important politically to squander in fleet action despite that being their intended purpose. In NJO i imagined the New Class ships were out there acting as fleet in being on key worlds we dont see attacked, as the 5th Fleet are mentioned throughout
The fifth fleet actually was only mentioned twice, both times early in the war in James Luceno's books. They only get mentioned again post-NJO where the ships involved are either newer or older classes, rather than the NCMP classes.
Either way, why the popular stances on Fifth Fleets in other sci-fi, like Mass Effect (Admiral Hackett's own fleet), Halo (one of the important Earth defense fleets), Battlestar Galactica 2003 (Battlestar Pegasus' own Colonial Fleet)?
While seemingly unpopular I actually really like the design of the Defender Stsr Destroyer, it kind lf feels built off of the same design motifs of the majestic and the assault carrier and had a generally pretty neat looking aesthetic to it
It makes sense that they would continue to use ships from the Mon-Calamaris shipyards. Their later purpose built combat models were considered pretty good and the MC90 onwards had the inter-species functionality smoothed out. The MC90s were only about 5-10 years old by the time the Endurance and Nebula started coming out, so they should still be quite new and effective. It's also worth remembering that large ships take a fair bit of time and resources to make, and can only really be built at certain large shipyards of which the New Republic was pretty stretched on all counts. So it make a lot of sense from a Production, economic and political point of view to keep using ships built by the Mon Calamari. And if the Mon Calamari have been building large ships for the Rebellion/NR for about a Decade or so, then it makes sense they'd be able to out produce the Nebula/Endurance class ships.
In the NJO books, there are a few references to the New Republic purposely keeping their bigger and newer fleets close to the Core, and leaving the Outer Rim to fend for itself. Presumably this included the 5th fleet, and new ships like the Mediator, Strident, and Viscount-classes.
The second half of the war includes plenty of fleet action with the newer ships (and don't forget, these ships were 13 years old by the start of the war) with no mention of them. The Strident, Mediator and Viscount classes are all far newer and show up regularly, having been invented by the series.
Correction on the Nebula-class: While EJ's version shows up much later in EGTW, there was a much earlier version with a similar profile which was created for the 2001 book, Starships of the Galaxy, which does mean the Invasion comics had a bit more time to incorporate them.
Your visuals reminded me how obviously the legends comic book artists were heavily influenced by space battleship Yamato era Japanese ideas of alien space battleship designs. Cheers
The fact that they haven't had a fleet/starship v starship fight scene in space since _ROGUE ONE_ shows that they didn't "forget," they _don't think its important_ to have ships shoot at each other in space. They didn't forget about the New ship class program, they just don't _care_ about it. Star Wars is full fantasy now, you don't see the ships have any importance at all anymore, when every scene is on a planet, and people only talk on ships now.
You seem to have entirely missed that this video is about them not being used in *Legends.* I have no idea how or why you're trying to twist this into something to do with Canon or whether space battles are used enough there, that's completely irrelevant.
Saddly I think your right, the 'War' part of StarWars is completly neglected. Disney Starwars is only Character drama, and particularly drama about who is a force users, as if nothing else matters. It's like folks watched RotJ, with its triple fight on the ground, in space, and in the Throne Room and concluded that the first two fights were completly immaterial and the only thing that matters was the Luke/Vader/Palpatine interactins so they should just cut out all that 'filler' content. The point of thouse battle is that EVERYONE fighting and sacraficing matters, even if your not Luke, you can be that A-wing pilot, or that Ewok cutting the ropes on the log trap, because evil is NOT defeated by one lone messiah figure smiting it down for us, it takes all hands on deck.
the reason they don't appear much is simple, you can't milk nostalgia with new stuff, specially if the new stuff is suppossed to replace the old one outright. its why all the x-wing replacements failed, its why you continue to have rebellion era designs reappear constantly and be competitive enough to be worth using despite being seemingly obsolete
I havent read a lot of the legends books yet, but i feel likeone weapon from the program never gets mentioned again. The "egg" from the black fleet crisis which is supposed to be able to bust the ships of capital ships. Do they get mentioned again?
real world analogue for the kind of development hell that these ship types must have gone through would be per-dreadnought battleship development in France
From among the New class fleet, I only like the nebula and the sacheen The K-wing, despite many liking it, looks too oldschool design for my liking. Though I kinda like how it's reminiscent of the real word A-10
So whats the operstional lifespan of ships in ster wars? I hear somewhere, maybe even on this channel that darth ceadus had an imperial 2 destroyer as his flsgship. Were they still building new imperial desgins at thst point, or was that a 40+ yr old ship?
I think Caedus's ship was a newly built design based on the Imperial II - it's mentioned that it's a new ship when he first gets it and the long range turbolasers are quite a new and uncommon feature
It really depends on the ship. The Dreadnaught Heavy cruiser was built for over 100 years and there were so many of them in the galaxy that they were still being used (if rarely) late into the NJO, but the Venator was actively used for like 2-3 years before production halted completely and they teetered out of existence until they would be surprise sightings.
The Anakin Solo (black Annie) was a ISD2 completed by New republic with NR technology , and long range Turbolasers and better starfighters , and was flagship of Galatic alliance Gaurd , Can be called a ISD mk3 but ISD Mon Mothma and ISD Eleqos Akla had Internal hidden Interdictor gravity wells , soo can't say
I love the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy. Lando's part was useless, and Luke's was necessary but could really drag, but the rest was good enough to carry.
Won't lie, even I don't know whether or not the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy of novels really did deserve the broad strokes/canon discontinuity it got come New Jedi Order onwards. Sucks that it's admittedly one of the rough patches of otherwise excellent Legends lore though, all things considered. But at least we got these ships, the surprisingly interesting Lobot spotlight story, and the introduction of the Battlestar Galactica expletive "frak" to Star Wars as a whole.
My theory Defender class star destroyer 1200m Nebula class Star defender 1800m Same design philosophy Ship killer vs fleet killer Traditional vs experimental Fair vs unfair First Defender class named Nebula First nebula class named defender (For confusing the enemy or maybe the polticians , same design silhouette and based on half built eclipse ssd design , Can be confused with Defender class easily by silhouette and it being published as most advanced in NR navy) Nebula class Star defender 3x onager class artillery main cannons spinal long range(also used on starhawk mk3 ,Tractorbeam battery is for public display and Enemy peace keeper activists inside Senate ,easily replaced by mass produced Artillery cannons) 18 central octaple turbolaser barb 72 pulse Quad laser turrets AA 36 hexa ion flak turrets AA 2x Victory Missile platforms 8 x Bow rapid torpedo dispenser batteries (ion,assault,plasma) 1 x rapid fire mass accelerator long range heavy torpedo \fighter launch tube 3 x 72 of Starfighters(x, y, b) 2 x 72 Droid interceptors(Tri\delta) 72 racked Ties(defenders) 72 LAAT\Nu gunships 3 IPV2c stealth light corvettes Additional units of accompanying CR97 super corvettes squadron(18) And 6 Fulcrum Tactical stealth destroyers (700m) ( bulk hammerhead design ,Battle axe program) Fulcrum Stealth system Mon cala hull and shields Adv Fighter launch system Long range warfare capabilities Fulcrum Fleet Command (flagship completed and modified Eclipse) (Im a legends guy) Used for Stealth strikes with complete destruction of target and lowest identification possibility , Advanced stealth warfare Unit , a task force of ISD mk3 and MC90 on stand by for hiccups in missions , or when conventional warfare is not possible
Just a little note regarding later ship use in Star Wars (not that Disney rubbish!) In the fight against the Yuzhang Vong, General Wedge Antilles used a Super Star Destroyer to perform the "Emporer's Hammer' tactic on Yuzhang Vong ground forces!
