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The New ZENITH Chronomaster Sport (is not a Daytona)

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A Discussion around the Zenith Chronomaster Sport. It is a watch that is being compared to the Modern Rolex Daytona but apart from the ceramic bezel similarity, this new release is entirely true to the El Primero design identity. Taking inspiration from the A386 and adapting the Chonomaster 50th anniversary's 1/10th of a second complication into a mainstream package. A watch that exhibits a step into modernity while not compromising its design intentions and showing us the further potential of a daily wearing chronograph.
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@ID-Guy 3 года назад

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@owensuppes1 3 года назад

Thank you. Your review captures what many of us are appreciating from this Zenith release. That you can clearly see how it displays a distinct identity makes me feel.less crazy.

@PhilipBeresford 3 года назад

Finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about. It's basically just an A386 with a black ceramic bezel, but all the Rolex fanboys think that is a patented design. Rolex didn't even bother putting a ceramic bezel on the Daytona until 5 years ago. This look has been around for decades.

@thegorn 3 года назад

Is not a Daytona. Thank Christ. I’m sick of Rolex. I like it better than the Daytona.

@panaristiman1243 3 года назад

I owned couple Rolex pieces but don’t like the waiting list is ridiculous Love the one with the black dial definitely will be part of my Collection

@lipinglin1994 3 года назад

I am sick of seeing people posting about Rolex these days. It seems that it is a more of a hype beast than actually something you can enjoy without people putting their hands and noses all over you.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

I think most are sick of Rolex. 2021 needs to be the year of reassessment ;)

@lipinglin1994 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy There needs to be more stuff for people to choose from. All I can see from most watch selling and promotion channels are talking about Rolex and how much of a great value they keep over time. They are becoming boring to watch and it makes me sick.

@thegorn 3 года назад

I might add the white dial one to my collection so that I have Omega, Zenith, Breitling and JLC. No Rolex. Yay!

@timepiece_enthusiast 3 года назад

I didn't even notice the date window on this watch for quite some time and I love the fact that it's so well hidden...doesn't destroy the ascetics of the dial but is there when needed

@andrewgiblin3468 3 года назад

Beautiful watch and I have the white dialled ceramic Daytona and I honestly think this is a far better watch in terms of both function and design. The Daytona is now in reality an investment piece or a flex whereas this is just a stunning watch!! I will seriously consider adding this to my collection.

@TechPanzer 3 года назад

People are acting as if Rolex has a trademark over chronographs with black ceramic bezels and white/black dials. It's insane...

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

It's just naivety, it's okay ;)

@tahmid8855 3 года назад

I do agree with you. But Zenith could have tried harder to make it look less like a daytona. For example, the clasp design is exactly like a rolex clasp.

@davidb9531 3 года назад

@@tahmid8855 all oyster bracelets have a similar clasp design. It's the nature of the bracelet

@SirMopy 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy no it‘s not okay.... it‘s dumb

@williamrizzo1285 3 года назад

Personally I prefer the Zenith over the Daytona, I feel it's much easier to tell time at a glance.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Solid subdials are a blessing on chrono's (that's usually why you can read the time easier - being able to break away from the chrono hands and the time reading hands) Thanks for the comment William!

@trollse8714 2 года назад

You don't buy this watch to tell time

@edo7052 3 года назад

Great to see such detailed, well considered and thought out content. Head and shoulders above any video I’ve seen on this watch. Thank you again for your efforts 👍

@JamesBardolphCS 3 года назад

Firstly - can I say how much we appreciate the consistent quality and dependability of your videos. I quite like this watch. More than the Daytona though personally I was never huge on it - I used to buy quartz watches a lot, like the Tissot PRC200 but since I started diving i've never really considered one save for the TIssot z199 which I bought two years ago. If I was to get one though, I would love something like this. And I would enjoy the similarities to the Daytona, in the sense that someone mistaking it for one would be a great conversation starter! More power to Zenith!

@soundssimple1 3 года назад

Very reasoned discussion. The new Zenith is more Zenith in design than Rolex. There are more references to Zenith design identity than Rolex Daytona design identity. On the wrist it could never be mistaken for a Daytona. Zenith has its own history of excellence, it does not need to live in the shadow of any other brand nor be seen to be 'homaging' or 'referencing' any other brand. I would proudly wear a Zenith to a Rolex convention or on Daytona Beach !

@MarcusGLovesWatches 3 года назад

Gawd I hope you don’t have to take down this video due to backlash , post about it on, then get propped up by fanbois , repost it , get a second backlash and then take it down permanently like a certain British YouChuber 😂

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Technically I'm a British YouChuber too (this has just hit me) Thanks for the comment Marcus ;)

@MarcusGLovesWatches 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy haha I forgot - great vid IDGuy ; sorry forgot to mention it after posting the snarky comment 😂

@mcclechinois3721 3 года назад

Ha!

@Valera_Scotland 3 года назад

Pete at Not So Obvious Watches had similar thoughts about the "Rolex bandwagon".... another solid vid. Thanks matey

@denisdes7 3 года назад

An informed and balanced opinion. I also like your alterations. The kind of video which encourages far more respect than backlash.

@blueshirtbuddah1665 3 года назад

A fantastic review video of a beautiful new watch. Zenith have done an amazing job with the Chronomaster Sport. I completely agree with you that this watch is not a Daytona homage, but a progression of its own design and heritage. This watch now moves to the top of my wish list. Well done as always my friend, and thanks.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Think of all the brands that owe their success to Zenith and the hundreds of references that they've produced over the decades. The hype media have been going wild with these "Daytona" claims. The conversation is pretty funny though ;) Thank you Blueshirt. I'm dying to grab a 1969 if I can... they're getting hard to find! I hope you had an excellent weekend!

@Mark..P 3 года назад

A very informative and balanced review. Bravo 👏

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Thanks a million, Mark (and for promoting it) - I'm really glad you enjoyed it, sir!

@timmcdonald5335 3 года назад

ID Guy. Well researched and rational video. Bark and Jack and The Time Teller should take note and learn from you in relation to the research you have done for this watch. Well done.

@panaristiman1243 3 года назад

Excellent video !! Definitely Zenith is taking the Chromomaster to the next level, I will love to see the Zenith Chronomaster talking costumer over Rolex Daytona hope all the truly Watch enthusiasts consider this El Primero as a the next time piece

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

I've been thinking about the Speedmaster 3861... BUT being an Omega owner already, an El Primero is at the top of my list at the moment (loving the look of the 1969) Thank you for the comment, brother!

@panaristiman1243 3 года назад

How are you personally owned a Omega Speedmaster Tin Tin and a Omega 300M definitely this Zenith will be in my collection love the one with the black dial looks superb

@pedromanuellopez142 3 года назад

Dear ID Guy, PHEW and thank you! I definitely do not know as much about design as you do. Nonetheless, the first question in my mind when I watched a review that seemed bored by this watch was: how else can the 1/10 of a second be legible WITHOUT using the bezel? The other aspect worth mentioning is, nobody moaned and groaned about the 50th anniversary model. Maybe because the bezel was a touch narrower, and the watch came on a strap. Even the bracelet is defensible, since it is almost the same as the bracelet on the 38mm Chronomaster. The only quibble might be the clasp, but I guess the "Sport" designation made a more robust solution desirable. In any case, no one would say "ugh, Daytona copy" unless they happen to be a self-professed "Rolex Fan Boy." One question: what would you say to a titanium or aluminum version, just to play on your "shades of grey" idea?

@VmanStudioz 3 года назад

I fully acknowledge as do most enthusiast 100% that Omega and Zenith have a far superior movements. This Zenith certainly hits the mark. Really - I want to own one. However, the one thing Rolex has that Omega and Zenith does not is the brand equity that Rolex brings to market. It’s not just the watch; it’s the brand equity, and that is why the Daytona Panda is selling up to 30k on the pre-owned market. Is it worth, the market says yes. If you want the better watch? Grab the Zenith. Keep up the great content here! Ciao,

@jaewooklee5862 3 года назад

The movement has been downgraded to the cheapest Etachron regulator from Triovis, which is on previous el primero 400 movement. The horizontal clutch system of El primero can not guarantee the precise measurement of 1/10 second. Chronograph second hand could get some “play”, backlash or misalignment when operating. You can also easily find the second hand misalinement at ad photo from Zenith. If daytona had a 10 seconds hand, no error would be found because of the vertical clutch and the patented sprung tooth seconds wheel.

@lipinglin1994 3 года назад

Actually, it is very common for Daytona to have an off-centered Chrono hand. They are all man-made and not perfect. Zenith does have to do some serious QC though. The latest released Chronomaster sport has some issues with their margins of errors.

@jswede1 3 года назад

Best review BY FAR on this watch.

@rameshdathrampersad9216 3 года назад

Hi everyone. Dont know if u noticed. But at 2 minutes in the vid why is the four 0 clock marker placed upside down?

@anthonystevens8683 3 года назад

Thanks IDGuy, a well balanced review highlighting both the positives and the negatives. This is a watch that I would consider purchasing for it's form and function not because of the badge on it, I generally apply this to most of my purchases not just watches, This combined with the Zenith history of watchmaking would put it on my (increasing) short list. If I wanted to change anything the chronograph second would be 1/2 red and not just red tipped (to match the other chronograph sub dial hands) as this would certainly help readability on the black dial. The Daytona is not something I would consider as there are other watches that have a better form and function that are actually available to purchase. I'm certainly not a Rolex hater by any means, I love the Sub no date without the cyclops, the current OP is great as well with the right dial. I'm on some sort of list with an AD for the latter but the more I wait the more the phone doesn't ring.

@peterc3700 3 года назад

Fantastic analysis! You and "Not So Obvious Watch" channel nailed it. Unlike a few other “Lazy Brain” commentators. Thank you. You asked a great question regarding who would buy it. I see they are targeting a young audience. However, I'm in my mid 60’s and I love it. It immediately jumped to the top of my list of next watches to buy. I have to add I think much of the watch market is looking for someone or something to dethrone Rolex. The Rolex “issues” whether manufactured or organic have put us at the tipping point. I think this watch is the “one”. At least a start of the walk, run and even escape of the Rolex domination. Thanks!!!

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Always love and respect Pete's talking points (need to watch his take on this later today) - And it's an interesting strategy they're adopting here (similar to Omega) Push out relatable Chrono's with asskicking movements. I'm so enjoying how brands are putting more attention into these areas and are finally getting some recognition for it! Thank you for the comment, sir!

@peterc3700 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy Thank you for the response. I own an EP 400. I like it and respect it but haven’t fallen in love with it. Which is why I’m so surprised that I immediatly fell so hard for this one. I’m sorry for a long comment but I really enjoy and respect your perspective and Jayson over at Design Atelier. You expose us to a view that was never part of my experience. I love learning the “why” of our eye’s view. It’s really the why of emotion. At least, at as superficial level. Keep making videos. Thank you!

@peterc3700 3 года назад

@@IDKline Thank you! At this point, I just count every day as a blessing!

@Brunomoreno87 3 года назад

Wow, I really loved the modifications of the dial with the subtle minute track highlight ! Makes a huge difference and looks killer ! Nice work and beautiful observations

@andyparker6930 3 года назад

Thank you. This contributes far more than others like B&J etc.

@mannixj5186 3 года назад

A sensible narrative from someone that understands design. It's el primero first, the Zenith name carries through by iconography on its face. A true tool watch that can be applied to every day events. Well done Zenith and ID Guy for dispelling left field beliefs 👍

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Appreciate it Mannix, thank you! There's decades of history tied to the design of the El Primero (and the thousands of variations) We couldn't name all the brands that owe their success to the Zenith name

@mannixj5186 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy You're very welcome, loved last weeks 4 hour marathon too! And Rolex is one those that's benefited from Zenith albeit a geared down movement opaerating at a slower rate.

@chazzcombs 3 года назад

Really good video. Zenith is the premier chronograph on the market for me and this one is a hit.

@hrabanus 3 года назад

Great review, as usual. It's great that you emphasized how the bezel and the 1/10th of a second function actually is useful - way more than any tachymeter scale. I think this watch embodies what Zenith can do today in an every-day watch.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Like that closing statement of yours. A touch of modernity, no compromise on their design and further improvement as far as an every-day watch goes. It's very exciting! Thank you as always for the comment!

@hrabanus 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy Yes, they are such a respectable brand. The defy models show their prowess in innovation, and now they take the chronomaster and update the seasoned EP-caliber, combine design-cues from their history and put it to a serious, good-looking every-day watch. What other watch company operates on this high level, where you can satisfy purists, produce an accessible watch for the broader market and innovate at the same time? Very, very impressive move from Zenith!

@commentjedi 3 года назад

Thanks, great video! Watches can be likened to great architecture. They don't copy each other's designs, but follow the zeitgeist. Think of all the 'glass houses' that became great in their own right, after Philip Johnson did it first.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Excellently said Jēzus! It's same in all industries, everyone's inspired by someone ;)

@terry7441 3 года назад

Thank you for this. I don't think anyone needs to get piled on for their opinion (as we've seen from some of your peers) but I see so much here and glad you could put it so eloquently. Calling it a homage or rip off feels careless because I see the Zenith identity here so strongly, and the undeniable commonalities feel relevant to the watch makers past. This is a big win for an under appreciated brand, I believe

@SnowCat247 3 года назад

Thank you for the great review. My first Zenith is a 36'000 VpH and when I've saved enough, this Chronomaster Sport will be my second.

@victoryan2405 3 года назад

i was waiting for you to make your video someone with more insight than most of the other rolex fanboys!

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Appreciate it Victor, thank you

@vaughanatkinson8421 3 года назад

At last a common sense approach and review, Zenith have loved this free publicity...and at least you can buy the Zenith!

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Should've mentioned that part in the video too haha! Thank you Vaughan!

@vaughanatkinson8421 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy just a little dig at the Rolex fanboys...got to keep them on their toes ; )

@thefuecisla 3 года назад

Or maybe you will not be able to do it if Zenith copies Rolex's technics of shortage, just as they did by introducing the exact changes that make their watch look as close to a Daytona as possible. If anything, they get attention... thanx to Rolex.

@matthewdale956 3 года назад

Good balanced review, now if only I could find a nice watch strap to go with it 🤔

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Thank you Matthew. Strap colour recommendations: Black is always beautiful. That would be my first choice anyway ;)

@mannixj5186 3 года назад

Matthew, might be an option to look at the Zenith Defy bracelet, the one promoted is glitzy, it isn't that clever when sizing. Choices are of course subjective, it's probably an ask that will remain thematic to the brand.

@morganthedruid1 3 года назад

I think that was a piss take of another British Watchtuber, nicely done😂

@matthewdale956 3 года назад

@@morganthedruid1 😉

@johnnyguitar6697 3 года назад

Great, great take on this new watch. I couldn't agree more on the bezel. Somehow, it's incredible that none of the high-beat chronograph makers had come up until now with this layout, which is by far the most practical and intuitive way to read elapsed time.

@David-mh6dd 3 года назад

This video earned a subscription! I like how you hone in on the details and suggest alternative design directions. I agree, the Zenith really does have its own character, and the 1/10 sec bezel is much more useful.

@tonynewton5668 3 года назад

Thank you for this video, I hope you can get your hands on one so you can do a full review. I had actually missed/forgotten about the 50th anniversary model so that was a nice touch putting that in. I nearly bought the a384 but I have the black panda omega ck2998 and thought they were too similar ( apart from the case) I'm definitely going for a look at this model .

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

I'd love to Tony. Actually on the hunt for a certain El Primero (don't want to draw any attention to it) We'll just have to settle for a Seiko Hands-on review next ;) Love the CK2998 panda... one of the best models in the catalogue and it's VERY similar to the Primero! Wow... thank you for the comment, brother!

@notazip6814 3 года назад

Whoa! Tac IS PRATICAL AS HELL !!! Ever been in manufacturing? Feed rates ? Parts per hour ? Man hours ?

@ziplepingouin1186 3 года назад

2:00 something wrong with one of the markers at 4 o'clock... I'm sure the guy who assembled this watch is hiding in a hole somewhere now... XD Btw great video, just subscribed...

@joelmoore3804 3 года назад

This reminds me of when the Omega Globemaster kept getting called a Rolex date just copy. Likewise, the Zenith and Rolex may seem similar, but only at a glance.

@chriszivoder2650 3 года назад

This is an absolute belter of a watch. I personally love the black dial variant a bit more. I've just seen the retail price £8300, that's a great price for a watch of this magnitude. How long in the waiting before they make a two tone?

@PedroPereira-yw4lf 3 года назад

I get your points and I agree that there is a lot of zenith in it. However, and having no attachment to the Daytona, I could not help to see it right away (I think it is mainly the proportions and font on the bezel). And if a new release causes such and intrinsic reaction as this one did, then it is either a design “flaw” (since you are failing to make it your one) or a calculated strategy (we like what we made, don’t care if it is a bit derivative and controversy alway generates talk around the product). Similarities aside, it looks good, it’s technically advanced and brings more options to the market.

@stevefox8605 3 года назад

Prefer this to the Daytona- the solid subdials make it easier to read, & really dislike the utterly pointless crown guards on the Rolex....plus the Zenith was the original, so could be argued that the Daytona is the homage. Cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻

@leeevans7853 3 года назад

Lekker review boet. I actually prefer the zenith over the daytona and prefer the black dial.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Always a pleasure, bru! I'm also a big fan of the black dial (and the movement is just boss)

@leeevans7853 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy the movement is legendary haha

@unclejamesx9808 2 года назад

This is why u have a lot of views. Because it is NOT a daytona. So many stoopid people saying its a daytona is annoying. I just bought a zenith chronomaster sport. Love it.

@NeoWahNah Год назад

Excellent choice! It's such a stunning watch!

@ZeroSOFInfinity 3 года назад

I don't like it.... I love it. I always find the ceramic Daytona to be "uninteresting"... but the Chronomaster caught my eyes immediately. Wanted to get the white dial, until IDGuy mentioned about black being better... and..... yeah..... you're right.....

@chazfromtheburg 3 года назад

Beautiful watch and brilliant overview. Well done, as always!

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Such a pleasure Chaz! Always had a soft spot for Zenith (this has just given me a moment to gush) ;)

@evanc1974 Месяц назад

That black dial is unreal!

@karl_m3013 3 года назад

As a guy who has spent over 500 days at racetracks, I have a reasonable understanding of what I am looking for in a chronograph. First, it has to be a larger than average watch so it can ne read easily. 41 mm with no bezel, 43 with bezel seem ideal for me. That way the dial is big enough to be readable. I never use the bezel at the racetrack, so no bezel models appeal to me. Next, the dial has to be all one colour with contrasting hands. The sub-dials in different colours actually make them harder to read. Finally, no screw down pushers. They are a total pain at the track. Missing a timing session because you forgot to unwind the pushers So, Rolex is a lousy track chronograph. Too small. Too hard to read. And screw down pushers. The Zenith is closer. My favorite, so far, is the TAG Heuer Carrera Automatic Cal.16 ref. CAS2111. White dial with blued hands means it is clean and very easy to read. As a fashion chrono, I do love the Silver Snoopy with the blue sub-dials.

@oliverpersson6090 3 года назад

*strategically leaves out footage of the clasp* With the shape and size of the bezel, bracelet, bracelet finishing and clasp; it becomes clear where they drew inspiration from. That doesn't take anything away from potential quality of the watch or its value proposition. But hard to argue against the fact that there's multiple borrowed design elements, all from the same watch and brand.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

It wasn't strategic (I just didn't think it warranted coverage) The bezel is round and the dimensions are larger. Have you ever seen El Primero's on bracelets before this? Gay Freres bracelets used on the latest El Primero reissues? I believe that's where they got the inspiration for their clasp. Polishing on centerlinks? So many brands do this & Zenith has been doing it with all of their classic El Primero bracelets for years. Three link "oyster bracelets" - Must we get brands like seiko involved now too? The reality is all of these bracelet designs stem from the 50's, made by third party manufacturers when brands couldn't do it themselves. "Ownership" around this is spotty at best. Thanks for the comment Oliver!

@oliverpersson6090 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy I get that it wasn't strategic, just a friendly dig ;-) I understand that if you break it down, you can find alternative truths for each design decision, and I'm in no way trying to claim that they've done anything immoral or illegal. And while your and many others arguments are valid in themselves, as a whole I still strongly believe that it was a concious decision from whatever team designed this watch to take inspiration from the Daytona. My feeling, personally and professionally as a designer myself, is that the Daytona was a part of their inspirational moodboard (with many other watches including their own of course) at some point in the design process. I think it's totally fine to think it's a tastefully designed and well made homage, without hating the watch or the brand behind it. Best regards from Sweden!

@blacktaxi2d 3 года назад

Great video, this channel needs 100K subs ASAP. I like this watch but I personally wouldn’t pay that much for it. I also wonder-who will? Like what target market would buy this over a Speedy or a Daytona?

@mlamesq8 3 года назад

They make a great movement, but dial quality control.... not so much. How can they send a well followed influencer a watch with a mistake on the dial. The “wrist shot” watch has a backwards placed 4 stick marker, right? Do you see it? Perhaps even my OCD is getting old and faulty.

@Jaysun1 2 года назад

I just want to let you know how angry I am with you over this extremely well done video. You just cost me $10k. ;) Just purchased the White dial.

@NeoWahNah Год назад

LOL 🤣

@jollyrob 3 года назад

I can't believe no one spotted that one of the indices has been placed the wrong way round - at 4 o' clock 1'59". 😱!!?

@mannixj5186 3 года назад

Bark & Jack raised it.... dont know why, but it was about the only useful information he posted in it!

@jollyrob 3 года назад

@@mannixj5186 the Sha Lusso vlog on the subject was excellent.

@mannixj5186 3 года назад

@@jollyrob Good contents always welcome, unfortunately lots of nonsense to sift through on the journey. Best wishes 👍

@xmuninu 3 года назад

How on earth did that happen? So much for quality control! - Mind you, if watch history repeats itself, that particular watch will be worth an absolute fortune to collectors in the future. 🤣

@mannixj5186 3 года назад

@@xmuninu I imagine if they were placed the 'correct' way around it would create an imbalance in design. It's like the watch makers 4 - IIII is used instead of IV in some pieces - it provides balance

@DocBBR 3 года назад

Excellent video IDG!!! Nicely explained evolution of a watch that looks more like a Zenith than it does a Rolex.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Thank you as always, Doc! Gotta love our solid sub-dials ;)

@1995pearson 3 года назад

As an owner of a white DaytonaC, I want one of these in black!

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Would love to see a side-by-side comparison of the two. Hell... that would make a statement! Thank you for the comment!

@ziplepingouin1186 3 года назад

black one does indeed look super cool!

@styx4947 3 года назад

Your right about the scale on the bezel, that should be mandatory for chronos. Lol

@GuillermoPino 3 года назад

At last! A true design focus review! This is great! Thanks. Love this watch

@widysusindra6529 2 года назад

Zenith is on a roll, first this chronosport then the defy chronos, which admittedly are not to my taste, and now the desirable skyline. Zenith is a bonafide watchmaker in its own right, with years of classic designs to work on for their current series. To people who keep saying zenith is copying daytona or AP, you need to do your homework and learn about the brand's history of extensive watch collection so you don't appear foolish.

@juancastanos7685 3 года назад

I like more the black one, buy I like more the Daytona white

@underachievingwatchcollect1878 3 года назад

Beautiful watch but I’m not a chronograph guy-if I need that function I’ll grab my G-Shock! It’s fun to see all the crazy collectors having a conniption fit over a beautiful well made watch!

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

I'd take a Diver over a Chrono any day myself, UWC. Once again, I was so close to not making a video around this El Primero, but since it's "Chronograph Month" clearly... might as well be consistent ;) Thank you for the comment as always brother!

@lipinglin1994 3 года назад

It's more about the mechanical movement you can glance from the back. G-shock are awesome for functional daily purposes. I love them too!

@MasterChief37 2 года назад

Nobody actually needs that function, it just looks good. My choice would be a Speedmaster 321.

@jonmoen6693 3 года назад

Thanks for a well balanced review.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

My pleasure Jon! This watch (and Zenith) deserves a lot of love

@Volker10watch 3 года назад

Great to hear from you as Design expert that it is not a copy of the Daytona. An interesting comparison would be the new Tudors chronos compared with this Zenith and the Breitling Premier

@thewristwatchexperience8153 3 года назад

" The thinking mans chronograph". That is a great line. Zenith know how to build chronographs - whenever I hold one in my hand I am always impressed by how solidly they are built.

@brucetheshark266 3 года назад

Two things missing 1) You didn’t talk about the movement.... it is totally different 2) The Bessel is not a tachometer.... Only comparing the look

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

4:55 - and the bezel is not a TACHYmeter (Tachometer is a different thing all together measuring RPM's) ;)

@brucetheshark266 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy sorry the language barrier.... the spelling app only gives me the tachometer

@markgtrheyes 3 года назад

Good, balanced, non Rolex fan boy review. I like Rolex, particularly the daytime, but some of the reviews/comments I've watched/read are laughable. They don't know or care to research Zenith's history.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

It's a shame... my hope is that just the coverage of this watch is going to push more attention to the brand's history. The amount of popular names today that owe their success to Zenith... I mean, it's "watch knowledge 101" surely? Thanks for the comment Mark!

@pikachus5m166 3 года назад

Totally agree about a lighter shade for the bezel, even silver ( is that possible on ceramic? ) so as to distinguish it from the Daytona. And they should have kept the red chronograph hand. All in all, prefer it to the Rolex.

@timchan334 2 года назад

Does a Rolex Daytona have 1/10 sec?60hr pw? Date/window? Exhibition caseback?

@mkb5355 3 года назад

Finally there is a real strength in depth in the chronograph market. The new Zenith Chrono sport , the 38mm Royal Oak selfwinding chrono, the Speedmaster 321 Ed white and of course the Daytona 116500. If you can only choose one , and money was no object. Which is the best watch and why ?

@Flxz0r 3 года назад

I absolutely love the black dial version of this watch. The white is nice too, but the black is where it's at with this one.

@thawasly 3 года назад

I was thinking of what makes the difference between the prices of the this and the Rolex Daytona. Finally I realized that the numbers in the ceramic insert in the chronomaster sport are not filled with platinum

@verykeen2please 3 года назад

a well balanced and thought out review @barkandjack

@graemebruce9320 3 года назад

Wonderful review and loved your blending of the different models.

@wimdepril6920 3 года назад

Fully agree with everything you said and I too wish they would have kept the red seconds hand. But even so, I love it.

@reedgrabowski8314 3 года назад

Another IDGuy masterpiece! What I like about your perspective is the rethinking of the dial, hands and no-date! Zenith should consider your designs for a Version 2 next year. I could see the Chronomaster rocking my wrist over the Daytona - the Zenith, as designed, is the pinnacle as a chronograph tool with its capability to time seconds to a tenth.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

I'd love a lil Zenith collab "Greyscale" ;) In all seriousness, brilliant models and I hope they're bought by the truckload! Hope you're well and thank you as always, Colonel!

@jangazi2742 3 года назад

Fantastic video and fantastic Watch, the iconic el Primero in all his glory!

@TheLumeRoom 3 года назад

Excellent video. One of the few sensible overviews up at the moment 👍🏻

@scottlalonde2878 3 года назад

Great looking watch with beautiful movement and useful functions. Thank you, nice review.

@lefroy1 3 года назад

How refreshing it is to hear a review which doesn't just roll out the tropes of those who don't know what the f*ck they're talking about. Your industrial design background speaks volumes in this presentation IDGuy. More VPH to your elbow.

@effetier4375 3 года назад

Hi, nice coverage. It is a little bit sad you haven´t mentioned the "original" 10th of second released in 2011 :-)

@jackflowers999 3 года назад

I'm getting one, forget about the Daytona!

@poudrieres 3 года назад

It's so beautiful - but why did they squeeze in a date window at "4:30" ?

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

It's quite interesting that it's been a trademark of theirs since the dawn of time (when they first introduced their automatic chrono caliber) - some models in their lines put the date a 6, I think only with the larger sizes at 42mm & 44mm. More than anything, like their multi-coloured subdials, it's one of the El Primero quirks ;) Thanks for the comment

@darthsimon4393 3 месяца назад

What a fabulous review! Thank u! I own both the black and white!

@jameshoward9700 3 года назад

Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about! The design also harks back to '90s bezelled Zeniths (see Watch Advisor). A very interesting and modern piece, that makes its central complication actually, err you know, useful. To me, the bracelet looks a bit sub-par (certainly sub-Omega), but otherwise a beauty that could be taken in a few directions. I like your alternative renderings, could the Greyscale use a metal bezel? Ceramic always seems flat in both colour and texture. Practical yes, but the flip is no patina. But hey, looks good on Instagram...

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

In hindsight, I should've been more critical on the bracelet and clasp. But the inspirations are great! I'll certainly check out WatchAdvisor's take on the 90's models. They've made thousands and thousands of references over time... great to see that they're finally getting a ton of attention. Thank you for the comment as always James!

@jameshoward9700 3 года назад

@@ID-Guy It's the 1990 El Primero De Luca II. Indeed, so many references..!

@fifthpint4571 3 года назад

I like the looks of the Zenith much better than the Daytona's. Especially the black dial. But the specs give me pause somewhat - I am not 100% sold on the 5Hz bph (wear & tear) and I've been indoctrinated to always prefer vertical clutch over lateral. Also, caliber 4130 is tough as nails and probably more accurate in real life. Oh, and I think the polished PCLs was a mistake. I think I would prefer a good strap instead. All that said - go Zenith, well done, great watch.

@korswe 3 года назад

The first watch of 2021 that I’m willing to buy!

@tsangyman 3 года назад

A measured review, thank you! Love your work and mega long user reviews :D

@bobbydazzler1780 3 года назад

The sub dials certainly pop more on the glossy black than the white dial but I’ve got so many black dial watches the white calls to me more. Your render of the black dial with white circumference within the black bezel is a stunner for sure, doesn’t quite give the same visual impact on the white. If they had gone with that all the knee jerk comparisons with the Daytona would have been somewhat muted. I’d like to see an open version dropping the seconds sub dial, at nine o’clock to a rotating spoke as per the tribute piece to Charles Vermot. Now throw in a blue sunray dial, open. Ha! I’m drooling. Just when I thought I was done with watches, just when I thought I was out... can Rolex now rest on their laurels? Can the mighty Rolex mothership feel threatened in any way. Some of the fanboys boats seem to have been rocked a little which never fails to amuse. Their rock solid residuals now under examination.

@brysoga 3 года назад

I think this one is ace, I'd actually buy it where as wouldn't buy the Daytona. In fact it's the only chronograph that has made it to my wishlist. I really enjoyed this video, I differ though in that I actually love the way it looks as it is (the white one) I don't think I'd change anything about it. Well done Zenith.

@Cube-gi2je 3 года назад

Thank you for this video, nothing more to say

@SWatchik 3 года назад

The only valid criticism of this watch is the overall thick mid case which ruins the side profile, and the differing angles between the end link and lugs which again makes the side profile look off. It is simply not an homage

@jrlee1031 3 года назад

Excellent take and a lot of effort doing research.

@zaheerkhan1941 3 года назад

Love both brands, but anyone saying it’s a homage to the Daytona, do not know the history of either brands

@ads-porewealth96 Год назад

I’m really torn between this and the black bay chrono. What would you choose of the two?

@NeoWahNah Год назад

If you haven't already made your purchase, the CMSport. All day.

@satan500 3 года назад

very nice review. Detailed and full of knowledge. thanks

@chrisb5986 3 года назад

I love Zenith El Primero chronographs...much more than the Daytona, and maybe more than my comparatively subdued Omega Speedmaster. My goodness, is it expensive though.

@IlRovina 3 года назад

Sorry but to me that Chonomaster 50th Anniversary looks nothing like the Sport in terms of bezel proportions, minute track and subdials. That design was way more related to the OG El Primero and its legacy. Instead, the overall proportions and the palette of the Sport resemble closely the Daytona, and it would have been very easy to them to stay more close to their legacy, as you brilliantly showed in your reinterpretations. It's not being a Rolex fanboy to state the fact that one watch looks very similar to another. Omega goes out of their way to be sure that the Seamaster 300 looks very different from the Submariner, and Zenith surely could have done more to differentiate this Chronomaster from the Daytona. They legitimately chose not to do so, probably to cash in from the stupid Rolex market policies. To me it's a smart and totally legit move, and I don't see why everyone on the internet is butthurted admitting it.

@lipinglin1994 3 года назад

Its a competitor for sure. But saying it is a copy is just being lazy without doing the watch homework.

@IlRovina 3 года назад

@@lipinglin1994 I only heard someone calling it an hommage, which in the watch industry is a way broader term than "copy". Anything from a design inspiration to a one to one copy could be called hommage, and seems to me this could easily fall under the first definition.

@arashmalekzadeh1 3 года назад

Well said

@enth1980 3 года назад

Glad you are not on the Zaytona bandwagon. Imo the model really harks back to Zenith El Primero De Luca vintage model. One could argue that daytona copied Zenith when they went black ceramic ring. Because Rolex is more recognized brand, alot of people and sadly alot of youtubers are jumping the zaytona train way too fast.

@ID-Guy 3 года назад

Imagine the crucifixion Omega is going to get when they bring out a Panda dial ed white etc.? Beautiful naivety... You have to laugh ;) Thank you for the comment Nator!

@jeremydahm2124 3 года назад

in Verses. This option is for the bigger wrist say if the Daytona's actual sub 39mm measurement feels small. For the anti Rolex. This is the watch that spawned the Daytona, at least originally powered it. Unlike every dive watch you could want will only be second in many minds to the submariner, this cannot be said here referring to the Daytona. Daily enjoyment. Unscrewing your pushers and not enjoying your movement vs taking off the Zenith at the office, just pressing the pusher, and marveling at the movement as you time yourself peeing on a break. Just sayin....

@stonemason4902 3 года назад

Superb and for me an educational video, many thanks, worth watching more than once. Please can anyone tell me what they use their chronographs for in everyday life ?