I don't think Bettman is the problem. Bettman doesnt control the league, he works for the owners. For example if the owners wanted a team in Quebec Bettman would come out and say that Quebec is getting a team. If we want change we need to get new owners in the league
As Hectic alluded to, the best player in the league and arguably the most exciting player in history (McDavid) is very rarely on TV in the US and, if he is, it’s often at 10 or 11 pm Eastern. That’s brutal.
When people compare him to Gretzky they miss one major component, Gretzky was equally awesome off the ice, & helped grow the sport. You put the spotlight on McDavid off the ice & all you get is a shadow, & that's a shame, & he's not the only moderm talent that lacks the character needed to garnish attention. Idk who's grooming these young players into robots, that's something that needs to change.
@@chizorama They’re a different generation and nowadays everyone has to be politically correct and very careful what they say. They also all take media training so that makes them robotic. It’d be nice if they could be completely open and honest but that isn’t going to happen.
McDavid is a great player, one of the best ever, but if you think that he is the most exciting player ever you need to watch more games from years gone by.
The NHL refusing to cooperate with the IIHF to make a World Cup of Hockey happen with McDavid and Crosby still playing at an elite level solely because they're scared of injuries taking away viewership from NHL games is perfect example of how out of touch the NHL is. Time is almost up for our last chance to the two greatest players of the best two decades teaming up for Canada, yet instead of seeing how much spotlight and growth that will bring to the game, the NHL is instead, more concerned about their tv revenue, while still somehow failing to see that their blackouts are the problem. It's the same problem the NHL has with growing the game. The NHL has millions of fans in cities like Quebec City, Milwaukee, and Portland that have been begging for the opportunity to throw their money at the NHL for years now, yet the NHL refuses to expand there in favor of non-traditional markets in effort to introduce the sport to new fans. The success of the Kings, Stars, Hurricanes, Predators, and Lightning are proof that expanding to Southern markets is objectively a good thing, but their refusal to expand up north is alienating their core fanbase. Traditional markets are the markets that grow the game the most because they have the most fans, making hockey front page news over there, introducing the sport to non-hockey fans from media and word of mouth far more than expanding South ever could. There's a reason why Seattle is already a top 5 revenue generator for the NHL. Bettman should've been gone yesterday. It's ridiculous that the same guy has been running this league since 1993, before Google even existed yet. We live in a completely different era now. It's long overdue to be led by a fresh young mind who actually understands this new generation of fans and where the league needs to go.
You seem lost. The IIHF has nothing to do with the World Cup of Hockey. You seem to be talking about the Olympics. Best two decades? You must be very young, haha! Quebec City doesn't even have a population of a million, yet it magically has ''millions of fans''? You're basically talking about three cities with only half a million people each. This isn't a market that interestes the NHL, with the exception of Quebec City, that could in the future become a new Winnipeg. ''There's a reason why Seattle is already a top 5 revenue generator for the NHL'' Source? Bettman has done his job well. The game has grown like never before. What relevance does Google have? How is that a valid comparison? You're beyond lost.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 The NHL has been in discussions with the IIHF to bring back the World Cup of Hockey for years now, so yes, the IIHF is involved. I mentioned multiple hockey markets without teams, yet you're singling out QC. Tell me you barely read my comment without telling me you barely my comment. And besides, the Battle of Quebec was fierce, and just like Winnipeg has a diehard fanbase. They would thrive because they thrived before the Canadian recession kicked them out. When Shane Wright was selected in the 2022 Draft, the commentators said that Seattle was already a top 5 money maker for the league. I'm not lost. It's ridiculous that the same regime has been in control of this league since before Google even existed. That comparison is relevant because the current regime pre-dates the digital age. They're completely out of touch with the younger generation and it shows in how little young people today care about hockey. The league never markets itself. It still relies on TV deals like we're still in the 2000's making it impossible to watch most of the games. The league cowardly banned all themed celebrations to keep the neckbeards and bigots happy. Player safety is a joke. The blatant favoritism for certain markets over others (Ottawa getting punished over a minor inconvenience harder than Chicago ever was for covering up a SA). Bettman fumbling the chance to have a best-on-best tournament 3 consecutive times. Bettman refusing to expand to cities that are literally on their knees begging for teams. The list goes on and on.
@@gabetalks9275 Wrong again. The World Cup of Hockey has exactly zero relation to the IIHF. You're still talking about the Olympics, but pretend to know what you're talking about. Show me a source where the NHL is in talks with the IIHF concerning the World Cup of Hockey. I touched on all three cities with adequate detail. You're confused and do not comprehend how the world around you works. ''They would thrive because they thrived before the Canadian recession kicked them out.'' If that was true, then they would have made it, other teams did too. Obviously it's not true. ''When Shane Wright was selected in the 2022 Draft, the commentators said that Seattle was already a top 5 money maker for the league.'' Hearsay. What has Google got to do with it? That last much later. Zero relevance as mentioned, yet you keep mentioning it. The 90s was already the digital age. You're lost, you're just not willing to admit it. ''The blatant favoritism for certain markets over others'' What is your source for this information? ''Bettman fumbling the chance to have a best-on-best tournament 3 consecutive times'' How is it three times? Also, how is that Bettman's fault? ''Bettman refusing to expand to cities that are literally on their knees begging for teams'' So any city that begs for a team should automatically get one? You already explained how little you understand about this as you mentioned cities that are completely unrealistic. You have no idea what is going on, yet you're pointing fingers like a child. Grow up.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Wtf are you a Lawyer? 😭 Bro open your fucking eyes the NHL is DYING because the big execs refuse to do any sort of marketing with the players or the teams. You can ask anyone in America what they think about hockey as a sport and they'll probably tell you that it's entertaining. I would know. I moved from Canada to the U.S in 2018 and I've had MANY people say that EXACT thing to me. Even if you don't know jack shit about hockey rules you can still be entertained. It's rare to have a sport like that. So why is hockey so dead? The only people to blame are the executives in charge of the NHL who refuse to make any major changes out of fear AND people like you who want to preserve outdated traditions.
The NHL's war on fighting has been damaging. Most of the NHL's interesting characters were goalies and grinders. Also said this at the time, Skipping the 2018 Korea Olympics, when Korean NHL fanbase was growing, hurt not only in Korea but all of Asia
Interest enough, NHL tried to attract in China when they hosted there and some Chinese aren't familiar with that sports and also it 3 years. They have a KHL team for instance, but the sports is lacking there.
@@JakeStevyson most Chinese outside of major cities won't know what it is, but Teir 1 cities like Beijing and Shanghai have a hockey base. I even saw a girl in Chengdu wearing a Sabres jersey, and I was pretty stoked. China is also a 3rd world country that pretends to be a 1st world country, so it is too expensive for a lot of kids to play, where as basketball is nearly free to get into. So exposure is key, and the NHL fails to provide that
@@codyge18 You will soon see a couple in Qingdao wearing Oilers jersey because Chinese- Canadian visiting their homeland. What makes them standout other than a 97 McDavid jersey. lol
It's funny that you mentioned all this because Nascar has the same marketing problem the NHL fanbase too. They also have an older fanbase and have a hard time attracting to a younger audience. I'm a big fan of both and want to see both leagues succeed.
I'd say by FAR the worst factor in the decline in popularity is how expensive this sport is. It's absolutely ridiculous and if the NHL wants to grow the game it needs to pull it's head out of it's own ass and start doing something to at the very least try to decrease the cost of playing the game. The other major problem is marketing. Yeah blackouts are a problem but people will find a way to watch the games illegally, something that TV numbers don't take into account. The marketing of the league is so fucking atrocious that ESPN, one of the league's broadcast partners, is airing one of their most popular personalities on one of their most popular fucking shows groaning when hockey is mentioned and saying "Football, baseball, basketball. Hockey doesn't count" or something like that.
decline in popularity based off what? revenue is higher than ever. tv numbers. are irrelevant less people watch tv . its going keep going down . popularity of the nhl and hockey is bigger than ever before, more money is made, more money is spent, more people play it, more people watch it.
I am a huge NHL fan since I am 5 years old. I live in Europe and I can "never" watch the NHL draft live!! I have an NHL TV membership and evrytime there is a game at a decent hour, the game is blacked out because it is presented on pay tv... Pretty sad!!
It’s the fault of the owners, not Bettman, until people understand that it won’t be fixed. Bettmans job is to be the leagues mascot and spokesman. He does not make decisions. The owners are who makes the decisions, which is why the boys club mentality thrives so well in the league. Until they are held accountable for what they have done nothing will change. Not to mention, the entire “fall” here that is being described is comparing viewing stats from COVID to now. Comparing a time when there is nothing better to do to normal life isn’t exactly fair. Not to mention using a playoffs with two extremely hated teams in the finals to show the decline. The NHL isn’t in decline, it’s merely stopped growing because of the garbage it has become. Not to mention, the only good way to watch it now is piracy which doesn’t show up on the books.
So long as Hockey Canada is using membership fees as hush money to cover SA, and the hawks being rewarded Bedard after the Kyle Beach situation, expect interest to continue to decline.
Im sorry to say this but as horrible as that Kyle Beach incident was i don't think most people cares as long as sports contiues, the NFL is a league filled with murders, wife beaters and gangbangers no one cares and it's the biggest sports league in world when it comes to generating money (thought it would be the preimer league but nope nfl)
I come from non-traditional market (South Florida, and yes, Go Panthers). I'm not invested much to the sport nor any other. I'm getting older and now follow casually. But I always respect the sport of hockey. My opinion about is that ice hockey is very limited when it comes to marketing and growth as the growing population of North America is coming from the south. Have you notice one thing about hockey and all other sports with the new stars coming to the leagues? Most of them are coming from wealthy families. I think all major sports are going to decline in ratings as it's losing relation with the working-class.
I always get taken aback a bit when I hear someone say "The NHL is in decline!". "The NHL is becoming irrelevant!". Or how they say "it was so much better when...". Really? Listen, not to lecture but I've been watching hockey since at least the 70's. Back then you had no national TV coverage in the US, since at least the 75-76 season. If you didn't have a team in your area that made the playoffs, you didn't get to see them unless you lived along the US-Canada border. In 1980 CBS did broadcast the clinching Game 7 between the Islanders and the Flyers, but when the game went to OT they actually warned the audience that at five thirty PM, they would SWITCH to golf and you would MISS the end of the game. It wasn't until the early 80's when USA network and ESPN got involved that the NHL had some more national TV exposure. As far as the player personalities, these kids mostly from rural Canada. They're going to be more humble and soft spoken than the more brash NBA players. That's just a fact of life. The NHL is never going to have a Dieon Sanders or LeBron James. They CAN have the next Wayne Gretzky in one Connor Bedard. Everyone in the draft was touting the kid as a generational talent, and he's playing in a major media market like Chicago. I agree that he needs more exposure. But he's not going to pull up in a limo with sunglasses and big gold chains. That doesn't strike me as his personality. As for MLS... Look, I've been hearing since I was a kid in the 70's "just you wait, in 20 years soccer will dominate the US! In the year 1975... in the 1985... in 1995... in 2005... in the year 2525... If Man U. is still alive...". We're still waiting. Is soccer more popular now? Yes, certainly. But it's only popular with hipsters who want to be British Soccer Fan Jr., and tell the rest of us "you just don't understand soccer... Oh, I mean futbol". The only thing that's happened since I was a kid is that the people that swore they knew the future of soccer in America, and I didn't know what the hell I was talking about, all went from being 20 years older than me to being 20 years YOUNGER than me. The real reason why MLS seemingly has gained more popularity is because they were GIVING AWAY tickets for a very long time. That was the only way they could get anyone to go to games. Kids actually when surveyed said they liked the FIFA video games, but they didn't actually like the MLS, and couldn't name a player. The big reason soccer will probably never become a big time sport in the US at least, is there's no money in it. Rookie salaries in all the other major sports exceed a million dollars. The average MLS salary is $200,000. How do you convince a kid to dedicate his life to a sport he'll never become rich playing? And yes, I agree that cost of youth hockey is outrageous. It was outrageous when I wanted play, which is why I didn't unfortunately. That can only be rectified with more sponsorships, and if communities build more rinks. Does the NHL have its work cut out for itself? Yes, absolutely. But this idea that the league is sliding into irrelevancy is a bit hyperbolic. You have more interest in hockey now than ever, and mind you I come from the era where there were only 22 teams, and a team (the Cleveland Barons) actually FOLDED. The league can always be better, but it's a far cry from where it was, even in the 90's.
I said the same thing to some other fool on another channel. He tried to tell me there hadn't been a superstar since Gretzky. And strangely, bases popularity off of how many SNL appearances players make. Hell, you couldn't even watch all of the games back in the '80s and '90s. Teams were in such bad shape, several moved. I know the Coyotes just left, but far fewer teams bolt today than they did way back when.
The NHL could help itself out by promoting other forms of hockey (street, inline ) the NFL did this years ago with flag football as it realized contact sports is not for everyone. Elite travel soccer in the US is just as expensive as Hockey but it still has a lot of kids who play rec ball till about age 13. The point is the NHL could do a lot more to bring the game to the main stream. Would these kids become elite college players no but they would become fans.
Instead of putting teams where they have a market like Quebec City who rightfully deserves their team back or maybe even Hartford depending on who you ask they’re putting them in such obscure places. That’s also damaging the league because people are getting tired of it after years and years
And not only that, it's as if the league is going to extremes to make sure these teams in non-hockey cities are relevant year after year by any means necessary (Tampa, Vegas). And then when a team is a complete failure like Arizona they keep them there instead of moving the team to a true hockey city like Quebec.
@@jmill3147Vegas is a hockey city now whether you like it or not. I live here. Almost every single car on the road has a VGK bumper sticker on it, when you wear a jersey around town people stop you and say “go knights !” , during the playoffs this year I would walk around my neighborhood and listen to the games in my headphones and walked by house after house of people watching the game in their garage . When Stone got his hat trick in game 5 of the SCF I was walking and heard cheering come from multiple different houses all over the neighborhood. People absolutely love this team here and have become a hockey city. They also lead the league in attendance every year since they’ve existed . Just not true that they’re not a hockey town.
@@joeydrummer7929 I feel like that’s what the commissioner wanted. He wants to turn these places into hockey towns, but in places like Arizona, it has failed. Btw living there with such a devoted community sounds super fun. Coming from a caps fan, it’s clear to see what a cup win does to a town
@@joeydrummer7929 We'll see how much of a hockey town Las Vegas is once the league loses interest in pushing them to the front and moves on to their next pet project.
I’ll agree with you about Arizona being a hot mess that should have relocated years ago, but Vegas alone should prove to you how wrong you are about that.
I'm a hockey fan but the sport's popularity is what it is. It's obviously the biggest sport in Canada, but it just isn't that popular in the US. Look at the TV ratings. and they keep trying to expand into warm weather regions that aren't interested. the NHL thinks it's something that it isn't.
I tried for years to pay the NHL money to watch Maple Leaf hockey games, but they kept blacking out so many games I eventually dropped them and went to illegal streaming, never looked back. They don't want my money or viewership.
its sad but true. I went to a Canadian highschool and almost everyone followed basketball or at least knew a few players but we never talked much about hockey. The NHL could start by letting players dress how they want. NBA players get posted all the time on social media with their pregame outfits whether its good or bad and it catches people’s attention while also getting recognized for it.
Remember Brent Burns and his tuxedo t-shirt ? Probably not, that's why the way players dress is not an issue and by the way that's not on the league that's an organisation decision, I think the Arizona Coyotes decided to stop that restriction a few years ago and it's still the most irrelevant team in the entire league
U sure u were in Canada? I'm 4 years removed from highschool but NHL was the only sport anyone ever talked about, teachers included. It's like the NBA and MLB never existed. And still now everyone around my age only ever brings up hockey for conversation. Go to any local bar during a Raptors game nobody is actually there to watch the Raptors. Go when the Leafs r playing and the bars are packed with leaf jerseys??? Maybe ur in the "basketball people neighbourhoods" if you know what I mean lmao.
considering it from a foreign point of view (hockey fan in France) NHL is almost invisible here... I should say Hockey in general is absent. Back in the time I remember watching 1980 lake placid miracle on public TV and world championships! today you can't watch hockey unless you pay and abandon sleep.
I big reason why they lean heavily on those Tuesday/Thursday game slots is because many NHL teams share arenas with the NBA which conversely has a heavy leaning towards Monday/Wednesday games which makes it easier for arena conversions between the two sports.
You missed a key aspect. They've slowly taken the hockey out of hockey. Hockey use to be a blue collar sport. A hard hitting, fighting, league. Now it's a White collar, business mans, league. They've all but eliminated both fighting and hard hitting. The two things most blue collar fans loved about the game. Marketing may have a little to do with it, but the NHL abandoned its traditional fan base.
@@williamlacombe8958he’s just stating the obvious. It’s not just fighting, it’s the physical play in general, they just let whoever has the puck do what they want, there is no 100% given to take the puck away, which would require a pancake into the boards.
@@williamlacombe8958 How many greats have been kept off the ice due to concussions? It was mostly enforcers, with a select few other players retiring because of concussions. I don't see it.
When one person called the game it was a lot more exciting. A good play-by-play injected excitement into the game as his voice would rise as the puck entered the opponents end of the ice. You always knew who had the puck, and who was in goal. Now two commentators are used and they droll on reciting boring stats and meaningless histories often when the puck is in play, dragging down the tempo of the game. Sadly, on some occasions they would break off the chatter and say "we have a goal." This broadcasting style was likely adopted from baseball where there was time between pitches. But hockey is all about action and the commentator should focus totally on the play.
Two Words: Gary Buttman! 🤣 I heard some rumors/conspiracies that he was an NBA plant sent in to sabotage the NHL (since back in the early 1990s, the two leagues weren't too far apart as far as popularity in the USA went)... 🤷♂️
@@HecticHockey you hit the nail on the head. So much star talent, American star talent, that the NHL needs to market to the populace. As a black hockey fan, the NHL would thrive if they could market to African Americans. I mean look at black people Twitter and pop culture in general. We have literal skin in the game and we make things cool.
@@coastaku1954 I love Pk. One of my fav players. Dustin Byfuglien too. But PK is Canadian. It’d be a lot better if he was an African American. I can guarantee you most people don’t know who PK Subban is but everyone knows Lebron James
as a fan in the uk, i dont get too many opportunities to watch hockey, but there is a clear difference between watching a game in person and watching it on tv. at the finland games last year, the energy was palpable, people were excited and the arena kept things interesting between periods with music, interviews, etc. watching a game on tv, i was bored out of my mind seeing old men on my screen describing exactly what i just saw happen in the game. they NEED to invest in new personalities in tv!
Well, they did have one of the most colorful analysts in the game with don cherry be he had to be let go because of #muh-racism. Then they let roenick go because of #muh-sexism.
that's EXACTLY how I feel about watching english soccer for the record....you think the personalities are INTERESTING????? You think Canadians care what Thierry Henry thinks???? It goes both ways. Canadians couldn't care less. UNLESS YOU LOVE THE PREMIER LEAGUE....then you care. Pretty sure you don't ACTUALLY LIKE HOCKEY you just watched a game a handful of times.
@@sampicano uhh dude i hate soccer. its my least favourite sport. not sure what all the aggressiveness is for, when theres a bunch of people in the comments that agreed with me that the tv personalities in hockey are uninteresting. i watch nba, nfl, wnba, mlb, and nhl. i watch all of these as consistently as i can with the time difference. this is not to shit on the sport as i said, ive loved every single hockey game ive watched and attended, im only speaking on the tv program, which i think is subpar compared to other sports
And, if I remember correctly, St. Wayne and the McNugget from the Oilers are both actively promoting it, but you won’t hear one peep of criticism about it.
I sold sporting goods between 1999 and 2005 and parents were gradually taking their kids out of hockey because of the blood thirsty violence at the time which raised their kids' insurance rates every year and the cost of a player was 3 grand and for a goalie it was 5 grand when everything was factored in. There's less violence today because those of us who were against fighting and dirty play were proven RIGHT after the CTE scandal that plagued both the NHL and NFL. The game is faster and cleaner today but the NHL simply isn't marketing the game properly.
My criticism on the NHL is how corporate everything has gotten since Covid. They removed teams logo from helmets and later turned the boards into a distracting form of advertisement
Every sport is moving to have ads on their teams’ uniforms. MLB and the NBA have ads on their jerseys and I don’t think it’ll be too long before MLB has ads on the caps and helmets as well.
Because it's not being aired on free TV like it used to when it was on NBC, NBC is aired over broadcast so people who don't have cable can still watch the channel for free so I didn't watch hockey on TV at all this year because NHL games no longer air over the air ways major reason viewership is down
so how is that a loss more profit is not a loss and the exposure is pointless hear me out,. people fall in love from playing hockey not watching a sport they don't understand why do u think cricket has failed over here nobody has easy access to play or learn the sport their not going to watch it same applies to hockey in afghanistan cricket is popular their because the people understand it and can have access to it
I’m a huge hockey fan, I coached youth hockey for 20 years, and I have season tickets to Quinnipiac University’s hockey team. But I haven’t paid any attention to the NHL since the Whalers left Hartford. I know that the NHL’s problems wouldn’t be solved by bringing a team back here, but the league has turned off a lot of fans by moving teams around. Fortunately, there are other ways to enjoy the game without the NHL.
Although defensive at first, I think you have alot of this correct. Separating the Stanley Cup several days apart and scheduling after pre-season baseball and competitive deck shuffling on ESPN (doesn't seem very important to them), I found that those bizzare times always fell while I was busy... I missed a few of the games completely, and just caught a period or two here and there... And yes, scheduling 14 regular season games on the same day at the same time doesn't help. And I also remember the commercial where Ovechkin calls room service and orders like 200 items, and when asked his name says "Crosby"... which cuts to Crosby looking at all the food and shouting "Ovechkin!"... funny stuff - and it builds the names of the players for the viewers... You are correct. There is so much the league could do - but doesn't.
I mean where do we even start… 1. Nobody knows what the hell a penalty is 2. Stars have 0 personality and marketability 3: the playoff format sucks ass and is detrimental to the quality of the product see this past scf. 4. The nhl doesn’t look to improve its product it looks to make money off the current product. Ive been a lightning fan and hockey fan hardcore for almost a decade. Its sad to see its decline compared to thriving upencoming leagues like MLS and F1. I dont often agree with Steve dangle but he is 100% right with this… Its not a legitimate league. Its rinky dink and borderline amateur.
The NHL needs to make their product more assessable. Figure out the blackouts and scheduling mishaps first, then focus on growing your brand. Focus on your current fans staying interested, then focus on growing the game in non traditional markets.
Fans are part of the problem. They are elitist gatekeepers. They only think certain places deserve team - mostly Canada cities. Also they hate casual fans. They are unnecessary mean and nasty to them
Truth. I stopped following hockey 20 years ago. I grew up supporting Detroit (my home team), but grew disinterested. Getting back into the NHL this season I realized how the worst fans in all of US-Canada sports (hockey “Ultras”) kill the fun of the game and drove me away from the sport. Too bad, considering most hockey and NHL fans are first-class. Looking forward to interacting with real hockey fans like you and RU-vidrs like The Hockey Guy.👌🏼👍🏼
as a hockey crazy Canadians Fan living in Toronto i hardly get to watch a game by my team. And over the last 40 yrs have lost much interest in watching regular season hockey games. When it comes to the playoff it takes much to long and too many days off during the playoffs, it is crazy to think Canadian in the start of summer want to watch a hockey games when winter is so cold !!!
How can you ship drop 22% between 2021 and 2022? Crazy it's almost like people were stuck at home in 2021 with nothing to do and then 2022 they were able to move about freely again
@@Matanumi greedy no its called being a business the goal is to profit as much as possible . if they were greedy their would be no other option nobody is stopping u from watching junior hockey or the sphl or any small european league u choose to support these guys u tool
The difference between the NBA and NHL is that the NHL doesn’t have enough mainstream star players. They need to change the rules to facilitate goal scoring, in a 32 team league there needs to be at least 15-20 players with 50+ goals a year. People will show up and pay to see goal scorers.
The owners need to can Bettman. He’s the main culprit of this issue and largely out of touch for what is needed to advance the league in a positive direction.
The equipment/cost issue is really hard to understand for anyone who never went through it or is not planning to put their kid through it. This is why its so hard for people to understand all modern NHL'ers come from a wealthy family (or a country like Russia where you are a state sponsored athlete). You did a good job to mention 'keeping up with gearing' but its not really that simple as kids grow rapidly. Hockey is a sport where you have significant advantages the earlier you begin - also increasing that cost per growth. If you do get good and succeed - each one of those equipment resizes will be into better and better equipment. This is at the same time as paying normal league costs. House league the very base level, still cost more than every other sport base league because the need for ice, enclosing that ice in a physical building and paying to maintain it all throughout the day. Every step you increase in level those costs also go up. Then they also add in travel costs - with individual trips costing as much as a whole year of playing. The sticks should not be understated either because they don't just cost $400 and you need one and that's it. Generally players will try to keep 2 of the same (one for backup) if they can afford it. Whenever one breaks they need to go replace it, that could be as many as one a week to one a month - its total luck. Realistically it's easily into the six figures for a successful career path just with all the mandatory costs - then many/majority parents will pay much much more for 'extras' such as private training and private sports schools - you're talking millions of dollars. Imagine the stress of needing to succeed under those circumstances.
@@Michael-d2r4o How does that argument even make sense? This is a league wide problem, has nothing to do w/ a specific player you dislike.. But since you want to focus on him sure.. Owen power allegedly materialized at the age of 14 and there is no record of him going to private sports school. He only has record of three years playing AAA If anything he is an example of someone using as little money as possible (hence how your argument makes little sense) - however in reality I am willing to bet his rookie career cost a shit load more then his elite prospects page gives off. He likely was just kept in lower leagues where he dominated all the while getting shit tons of private training. There are several years of his rookie career missing as well as what high school he attended. His whole story is how he is just physically gifted and essentially how every team wanted him for size alone, which sounds nice and all..
@@Michael-d2r4o That's not to mention that his 3 years in AAA hockey probably cost his parents anywhere from 10-30k per year, for league+travel costs alone. Not including his premium equipment while going through growth spurts or all the $400+ sticks he is breaking, or equipment he is literally wearing out playing so often in his 6ft 5" frame
You really want to talk about a decline? Go back to say, 1991, ‘92, ‘93 etc. The NHL was on fire and Sports Illustrated predicted it would overtake the NBA. The 1994 lockout, throttling down on goal scoring, and terrible business decisions led to a drastic decline by the turn of the millennium. Anything happening now is just a decline from the decline.
Gary Bettman and his lackies must go. There MUST be a great change of NHL officials who can take the sport of hockey and market it more international. I remember in the 90's hockey had a great swing that was all the way up til the 2005 NHL lockout....then it cam slowly down to where wer are now.
Why and how should it be more international? It's a sport played on ice, not on sand in the desert. People have to comprehend the limitations of a game that is dependant on weather to thrive in the community.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 True, but the entertainment value and quality beats soccer, baseball and football any day for example and even if I also love basketball, I rather pick hockey at first hand if I'm forced to choose.
@@WarioSaysSo Obviously. That's not hard to do. The truth however is that football requires something round and two rocks. It can be played even in the most impoverished corners of the Earth.
So is that why NHL players aren’t usually marketable? The culture looks down on individual personalities? That make sense because the only hockey player that had national fame,in my lifetime, was Wayne Gretzky
The broadcasting schedule was so bad this year, especially during the playoffs after my team was knocked out. This was the first year in decades I couldn’t watch the final cuz I don’t have TNT and I wasn’t about to pick up yet another streaming service to get it. Their broadcasting is a major reason their popularity has never soared any higher than at its highest peaks.
DEI hires, any DEI involvement, seizure promoting digital ads whoring out my eyes, 177 teams with unknown players, a pathetically goofy all star game, local TV blackouts and so on will continue to ruin the most beautiful sport…..SAD.
I agree with the local blackouts are a headache and being on TNT sucks. But to say the NBA is killing it is ridiculous. They have been bleeding viewers for years with their social activism. The NHl should just play the game and drop all the woke stuff and the NHL will come back stronger.
@@MattM-oe6qs No they won’t. Just look at the ratings drop for NBA, NFL and MLB. People want to not have social activism shoved down their throat when they just want to watch a game. Look at Marvel and Stars Wars with strong female leads shoved down people’s throat, they are all flops. Marvels was worse Marvel movie ever in terms of ticket sales, it was a woke crap show. Because the economy is in the crapper with inflation, everyone has less money to spend on entertainment. Why spend my hard earned money on woke crap, I will just stay home or not watch it on TV.
Playoff viewership is at an all time high. Also, hockey has never been ran well. Even during the original 6. There was a reason the Leafs and Habs got all the cups. Owners owned multiple teams. The Rangers were a farm team.
It’s Bettmans fault. He made it an owners league so he can’t get voted out and is killing the league in the process. Also I thought nbc was bad but ESPN says hold my beer. I bet that viewership would go up if the just took Leah Hextall off lol
The 2023 finals was the lowest rated finals in Canada and the second lowest rated finals on both sides of the border despite being the third lowest rated in the US ahead of only 2020 and 2007. The main reason for this other than the limited availability of TNT is because of the high scoring nature of games 1, 2, and 5, with games 2 and 5 being blowouts.
no its pretty simple and clear that the lack of Canadian viewers helped it succeed the lowest viewed status having it be the 3rd lowest in america helped . its not rocket science its basic math
I turned the playoffs off out of protest...it was LAS VEGAS AND FLORIDA.... Why would ANY SELF RESPECTING CANADIAN...SUPPORT THOSE GRBAGE MARKETS???? I hope they relocate...Miami loses more money than ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NHL...and they were in the finals two years in a row....it doesn't matter. America hates hockey. And Canada doesn't support American teams.
you touched on it a bit and the key to saving the NHL or hockey in general is for all of the NHL and AHL teams to be reinvesting in the youth development programs. They need to figure out a way to replicate the success of the MN community based hockey system. The state has a population of 5.7 million and has roughly 60k youth hockey players from age 3 through HS. There are only a couple states close to that but they have much larger populations. One of the key success of the MN model is it quite a bit more affordable than anywhere else. The NHL should really be looking at doing something similar to what the MLB did where they built ball fields and started youth programs all across the country. Lets be real hockey will never be able to compete with Basketball and Soccer. Those sports can be played anywhere and mostly for free. Almost every single town has at least 1 park with a field and basketball hoop. Same could be said about touch football or baseball. American football is highly subsidized as well. I played from 7-12th grade and never bought a single piece of equipment. It was all provided by the school. You have to live in a cold state or country to be able to play pick up hockey on the ODR. Maybe the NHL starts pushing roller hockey and ball hockey in the warm states. That said I do believe that last year the US youth participation numbers surpassed that of Canada so maybe they are doing something right.
Another thing. I’m a fan of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Watching on television. I can view the season opener, the game after the all star break, and playoff games (if I’m lucky), on services like Hulu which gives you games based on your selected teams. The NHL doesn’t do that.
I am a new fan, and it's solely because someone I know is great at storytelling and got me really into their team. I don't remember ever seeing NHL marketing as an adult and never felt it was something I needed to look into. I grew up right next to DC in the Crosby/Ovechkin era so you would think I'd have heard a little more, but no... I was talking to my little brother the other day and he didn't even know who Ovechkin was. They only won that cup five years ago, how is that even possible? He would have still been in high school! It should have been one of the most interesting things going on that year... I ended up getting espn+ assuming I could watch the playoffs. It's so disappointing and confusing just trying to figure out HOW TO WATCH! I don't care at all about the only team near where I live now so blackouts wouldn't even have been an issue to me. How can an organization with this much money be so bad at this?? Maybe if we're all lucky, there'll be some new leadership soon. Bettman's over 70, right?
Good. I’m sick of the NHL’s shenanigans. They are greedy and corrupt. I’m a lifelong hockey fan with nothing but love in my heart for the game, but to hell with the NHL
I live nowhere near any hockey market in Canada and games are blacked out here. In CANADA! Bobblehead Bettman is so busy trying to carve out his legacy that he has almost no interest in the game. Throwing out traditions to try to clone the NBA has been a slap in the face. Remember the old Norris, Smythe, Patrick and Adams Divisions? Remember the Wales Conference and the Campbell Conference? Remember how he decided to remove team logos from pucks and replace them with a league logo emblazoned with his signature? Hockey is being pushed out of the spotlight and blame for that can be placed at the feet of Bettman. Even with him gone, it may be too late to save the league from mediocrity and indifference from a public that has no interest in the game.
This all began 30 years ago when they started installing club suites amd luxury boxes, raised ticket prices, and left free over the air TV for pay-cable. Many working class families were left behind. Since then it is exponentially worse. $80 for a ticket? $12 for a beer? Plus parking? Plus $70 month for cable TV subscription? Like everything else in this country, only the upper crusty 1% can afford this, and all the working class clowns making less than $30 hour are struggling to pay their rent, purchase groceries, buy diapers and put gas in their truck. NHL MLB NFL NBA don't care about their fans, they just want to Maximize Revenue.
I've been a fan for 40 years, and I have almost completely lost interest the last 5 years. Too many teams, a diluted product, once great clubs like the Montreal Canadians, have been reduced to middling franchises. We need the original 6 and other great clubs to dominate at the top. Clubs like Vegas come into the league and win the cup is a joke.
It is not like there are only infrequent international competitions featuring NHL players, IIHWC happens every year and it features NHL talent in most of trs but since it coincides with play-offs, only guys that did not qualify for play-offs come and also many just choose to take a rest, since it is every year it aldo is treated by bigger nations as not that much of a deal… not talking about North America which dors not care much about it, but even Sweden, Finland, Czechs can field luckluster teams oftentimes
for me the issue i have is they make it super hard to even watch the teams you want to see. all last season as a Lighting and Wild fan, if i wanted to watch a game from either I would need 2 diffrent streaming services to watch either (bally for a wild game, and espn plus for the lighting) and if either was on a national brodcast on TNT I would need another service on top of those 2. I love hockey but i am not paying for 3 diffrent streaming platforms to watch the games i care about. The first step in my mind to help the NHL do better is make it so we can watch any game from 1 service.
They sucked. They routinely hid playoff games on obscure channels. And wouldn't even stay on air for the conclusion of the Maple Leafs/Capitals Stadium Series. NBC was trash.
I do agree that the NHL has not put themselves in a great spot to contend with the other leagues, but I do not agree with the narrative that the league itself is in a decline in terms of popularity. First off, the viewership being down 22% is a misleading stat. US national broadcasts were down 22%, which is only the games aired by ESPN and TNT, not the hundreds of games aired on regional broadcasts such as Bally, NBC, Root Sports, NESN, MSG Networks etc. This drop was not because of a lack of interest. In 2021-22, TNT aired games exclusively on their channel, but this season they shared quite a few games with regional broadcasts, which spread out the viewership of the regular season. Had the numbers been publically available for the regional coverage which shared broadcasts with TNT, the combined viewership would have been closer to the 21-22 season regular season average. The stanley cup playoffs this season had one of the most viewed first rounds in history, sadly the markets advancing to the further rounds were not the greatest for viewership, but this year and last year proved that the floor for playoff games has definitely increased based on viewership in comparison to the last few TV deals. The finals low viewership can be explained by the fact that the 2 teams are not exactly a huge draw. Vegas does not have a top tier market size and Florida has been basically non-existent until 2021. Not to mention, the finals was exclusively on cable (TNT), but last year when it was on ABC, the ratings were very good despite 2 medium sized markets being involved. ABCs coverage also set a record for the most viewed game 3 in finals history! Not to mention, the draft this year was the most watched draft every recorded. The McDavid situation does seem bad on the surface, but we need to look at the context. Sure hes arguably the most entertaining player of all time, but him playing for a small market Canadian team in the Pacific time zone is not helping. Think for a second, why would ESPN and TNT (US national TV Channels) put a small market Canadian teams games on at primetime? Sure hes the best player, but they wont get much viewership from a Canadian team, and broadcasting 2 american teams head to head at the same time will likely have much better viewership. I also believe popularity has jumped a bit thanks to ESPN posting more hockey content on social media now than ever. They cover playoff games, great goals, big moments etc. Sure the coverage is only a small amount compared to the other leagues but its significantly more coverage than in the previous 15+ years or so.
The game is definitely growing, you can see internationally just how much Germany, Switzerland, Slovakia, Latvia are growing now because of solid performances in tournaments, and how Finland, Sweden, Russia, Czechia remain at the top too. The league and sport needs more international participation from NHLers, and as soon as that happens youll see a big difference. The problem is not that the NHL is declining, its growing, but it could be growing so much more. For starters, the blackouts, ESPN+ exclusive games, and non-exclusive international games are definitely preventing current fans and potential fans from seeing games. Not to mention TNT getting the finals in odd numbered years, that is gonna be a big issue for viewership. The players having next to no personality also doesnt help. These guys are trained to act like robots, just look at McDavid, Crosby and now Bedard, these 3 cannot carry hockey just off of performance, guys like Shaq are even more famous for their personalities than their actual play. The culture really does need to change, when guys with personality come around, their shunned by the media - Subban and Ovechkin are prime examples of this. Overall the NHL and the sport can grow more just by figuring out their TV situation, being more accepting of characters of the game, and allowing for players to play at the olympics and world cup of hockey. If hockey can consistently get international performances from NHLers. the growth will skyrocket
@@mamaji277 Out of all the comments on here, yours is the only one that hits the nail on the head. I have been a hockey fan (Stars in particular) from South Texas since I was real little, and I don't see where this decline is but the league definably time and time again gets in it's own way and the growth could be much bigger.
There is no decline here. NHL was irrelevant around late 1999's to early 2000's until 2003. Several terrible draft classes and low overall scoring, and also the Greztky's era when he played against hundreds of beer leaguers and goons. If the NHL is able to raise their salary cap when EVERY TEAM ICES 18 SKATERS AND TWO GOALIES ON THE ICE EVERY GAME, thinking there's any decline there is just you being delusional.
If the NHL were a college marketing class project, it would be an F. Sad to say, but I've been watching since I was 10, but the blackouts and ridiculous streaming crap you must go through just isn't worth it. I only watched the playoffs this year, through the WCF . The softening of the game doesn't help either.
The fact that the league spends more time promoting and marketing rats like Ryan Reaves and Pat Maroon instead of upstanding guys like Aleksander Barkov and Nathan MacKinnon also makes me frustrated. Especially because some casual hockey fans don’t even know who the best NHL players are outside of Crosby, Ovi, McDavid and Patrick Kane
This is what happens when you get desperate. Focusing on chasing revenue from questionable sources (no one wants gambling ads), shooting themselves in the foot over trying to get new fans (the Pride jersey fiasco), and putting the focus on an aging player whose connections to real-life situations make it hard to root for them (Ovechkin) over bonafide generational talents that are in their prime (McDavid). I remember when Sports Illustrated had pegged the NHL being more popular than the NBA way back in 1994. Now look at it.
Clickbait title.. highest salaries ever, cost of franchise highest ever.. highest viewership.. irrelevant how? Most important measure.. USA hockey most competitive ever
For more hatred that betting may have brought to the league, I as a latino started watching NHL only after outing money on the line. Im a Panthers fan now, I play NHL and I love hockey. I look forward to this love hate relationship but hockey is not dead. There is a HUGE market down south. BELIVE ME.
Add a lot of confusing rules to the mix. Like high stick: Usually it's with the stick above the shoulders, unless the puck goes into the net, then it's stick above the crossbar. WHY? I mean it's not a big deal for established hockey fans, but for potential new fans it can be confusing. And I know it's not the most significant rule, but I mentioned it because it's one of the most unnecessary confusing rules.
In my opinion, I can do without the "personalities." I much prefer the quiet Connor McDavid types to the Lebron James types. Hockey players are usually the blue-collar athletes. They are normal looking people with an extraordinary talent to play hockey. Superheroes on the ice, but normal family guys away from the game. The other sports don't have those kinds of athletes. It's one of the reasons I love following hockey.
I am going to suggest it’s the product itself. I find too many games are boring. Low scoring, tight checking and too much favouring of strong defense, especially in the playoffs , makes me tune out . Players are all huge, goalies with their pads look like an impenetrable wall- it’s hard to get a lot of truly high quality scoring chances. Shrink player pad sizes. Especially goalies . Move icing line from centre line to D zone blue line to encourage even more stretch passes or breakouts into the O zone with a bounce off the O zone boards. A return to an offense oriented game where a lead can easily be erased.
The league has seen an absurd rise in goals within the past 10 years with these problems still being prevalent. I don't think offense can be correlated with popularity.
When I was a kid, I was never huge into ice hockey so my dad was glad he didn’t have to spend money for me to play the sport - which would have included costs for new equipment every year, playing on a team, tournament costs, travel, etc. As I got older, I found myself becoming a huge hockey fan even though I never did played the sport. I think there are others like me who do like the game or would like to play it, but can’t get into it because of the costs. It feels like there would be more interest in the NHL if there were more available resources for that matter, but the NHL seems to want to put their product behind a paywall they can’t even access.
u basically just said he could pay but he is glad he didn't if he couldn't pay their would be nothing to be glad about. and than u said u couldn't get into it because of the cost get your story straight . why start off by acting like he could afford it but he is glad he didn't have to .
what a awful take you blame the nhl because hockey requires alot of gear that is not cheap and won't be cheap ice time costs alot of money last i checked the nhl dosen't own my local rinks . u know how u slove this problem u make a pro ball hockey league the ice is the reason this sport is not huge . on the ice and with pucks u need more gear i basically never played ball hockey with anything but a stick and a cup and gloves at high end tournaments with junior a players i did use chest protector and knee pads but outside of that u don't need much gear u can play anywhere u can even play with a broken stick off a tree and a cow patties
This sport is agression, speed , skill and much more - is amazing. But, as an European fan, if it wasn't for EA NHL I'd never hear about ice hockey, because it seems like the league only puts effort into countries that already have an established fan base and does the bare minimum to expose the sport to other countries. I'd say: - Less ads (as someone that lives in a country which is main sport is soccer/football, the amount of ads we get shoved down our throat is insane. I sometimes give up watching a game because, most of the time I tune in, the game is on a ad break; - Have more games starting earlier so that other countries get a chance to watch it.
NEVER CATER TO EUROPEAN TIME ZONES...Do you understand how stupid that is? Imagine New York puts a game on at 1pm....for FINLAND to watch.... there's 22 million people in New York they need to MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF EYES ON THE PRODUCT... Not cater to the 5 million people in Finland 😅
They’ve also been making more rules and penalties that leads to commercials ($$$$) a microcosm to modern society. Also society’s trying to get rid of masculinity and they’re clearly doing this with nhl. No fights, less contact.
If beating the shit out of each other is what you call masculinity, then you have the maturity of a 13 year old. Manhood is about restraint. The lack of fights hurts the sport not because it "erases masculinity," but because it allows goons like Tom Wilson to hit people with clear intend to injure and get away with it.
Not sure about your take on other sports. Nobody cares about baseball and NBA ratings are collapsing worse than hockey. Bettman has been a disaster and I couldn’t identify a single player from my home team so I agree with you on these troubles. You are right, every sport should be worried about soccer, lucky for them MLS is even worse at marketing than hockey.
The nhl has a dying fan base i am 22 years old and seeing that nobody knows who is connor mcdavid and the old school is clearly not working. Local blackouts are terrible when you live in the area like say Arizona. Not to mention a lack of outreach. One thing needs to happen the people who are old school needed to accept change if they want to grow the sport and have nhl players with personalities. Everytime they ridicule the changes they might as well put a stake to end the sport. Last thing is stop focusing the nhl only in america try and spread it worldwide and not hold it back. The marketing team needs to be fired and new changes.
I used to love the NHL, having discovered hockey playing EA Sports NHL franchise. But, I got bored with it and during the early 2000’s I started to follow soccer, and fell in love with it. Hockey was the sport that was left out of my favorites, I did watch a bit of the finals.
Part of the conservativism in hockey doesn’t just fall on the aging fanbase, I’m only 30 and the all star antics bore me so much, I use the word ‘Americanized’ too describe it, but my little sister who has 0 interest in the sport loves watching the all star game and the skills comp, it’s the only time you’ll find her in the living room watching NHL while I’m nowhere to be found. However, I love the personality of Trevor Zegras, in particular, and the NHL needs to let the players be themselves. The new NHL also has changed so much since I was a kid, I’m glad open ice hits are mostly gone from the game, but people who are like 45 miss the physicality of the game, and the younger players have things mixed up, I watch the Oilers and Flames, and McDavid has questionable things happen all the time, and other oilers don’t do much about it, aside from Kane, I watched flames players drop the mits three times last season over clean, open ice, shoulder to shoulder hits. I mentioned I don’t like open ice hits, but when it’s clean and shoulder to shoulder, and the player wasn’t even hurt it anything, like let it go. One of the few examples I can think of from a player getting injured is Teuvo Terravainen from the Canes, he got chopped and broke his hand, courtesy of Mayfield, it looked like the canes let it go at first but somebody made sure Mayfield got fkn destroyed in overtime, as he should have been. The game is in a strange place right now, as is its fan. It’s definitely a struggle. Messi coming to MLS won’t help the marketing either, at least they are opposite seasons. I used to get laughed at when I mentioned I like MLS to people from Europe, or who were into the euro leagues. Now I get asked who my favourite players and teams are. There will be a big 5 for North American sports, then one day back to four, with MLS taking the NHLs spot.
As a fan of both soccer and hockey, it's staggering to see my two favorite sports going into two different directions. One up. One down. I am excited beyond belief where MLS is going. The NHL on the other hand? It's really depressing. I know a lot of people love to complain about the Apple TV coverage, but it's such a step up from the previous TV deals. The viewing experience this year without blackouts has been so much easier this season. The NHL? The NHL TV experience is hell. And you don't know if the next game is gonna be blacked out or not. And honestly, the NHL national broadcasting crews and presentation are by far the worst of all the major US sports. Yes, the ESPN NHL crew is worse than anything MLS has put on the last 15 years. I'm going on a tangent but these are my thoughts.
Big 6 would be more appropriate, as the Canadian Premier League is growing staggeringly quickly, hell we might have a massive Cricket league in 10 years.
Yeah but I’m talking about North America. Americans aren’t going to care even the slightest about CPL, ever, especially when the MLS is waaay better. A CPL team has never even won Voyageurs Cup. Like Vancouver is a last playoff spot on decision day team at best, and atrocious at worst, playing in MLS, however, over the last 2 years they have made easy work of getting Voyageurs Cup. Even if CPL did gain a big following it would still be like CFL vs NFL. One league light years better than the other. Would be cool to see a CPL team get promoted to MLS tho.
@@Dexter037S4 CA have already have Cricket League even with majority Sizeable Indian Majority somehow it will grow like wildfire. In the US They got MLC and they attracting slowly but rapidly. Cricket has a lot of forms which North America didn't understand.
The NHL will be fine, just because it isnt as popular as the other major sports doesn't mean it is going anywhere, its never been up there in terms of popularity compared to baseball, basketball and football. If the NHL was in any actual trouble, why would they be expanding adding more teams and increasing the salary cap with more and more guys making ridiculous sums of money, sure not as much as the other major sports guys but they are making more money than ever.
Gee, not going to the Olympics must really help in selling NHL to global hockey markets. Money grubbing NHL vested interest can’t see past the tips of their noses, “Penny wise, pound foolish”. Why they can’t get a champions league going like soccer (football)? Love to see the Euro league champs play the Stanley Cup champs. Too busy trying to sell hockey in places where ice is only found in drinks, taking the hockey fans they already have for granted. I love hockey, still play the game in my 50’s, but I can honestly say I no longer identify the NHL with hockey. The NHL is its own thing, and the rest of the hockey world continues on.
I only watch NHL hockey at playoff time. And I hate the NHL playoff format. Bottomline is I can't stand the NHL's mindset of doing everything and anything based on whether it'll make a penny or save a penny, decorum be damned. Like the playoff format. Its just an embarrassing league thats slowly descending into irrelevancy. My motto is "I love hockey but hate the NHL"; its just so embarrassing and Bush League now.
There was a half-decade or so in the NBA where there was a down period with zero parity. The same two teams were either in the Finals or close to it. And despite this, the NHL STILL couldn't overtake them in popularity during that period.
It’s pretty clear what the problem is…it’s Bally sports. They make it harder to watch the games and then wonder why viewership is down lol. As it is now, you have to pay $20 a month or hope for a bootleg feed just to watch a game. Then they put a few on ESPN or TNT but you can only watch if it’s a team from another state. Even if you could watch your local team during the few times they’re on ESPN or TNT, a lot of us have not watched very many or any games all season, so jumping in randomly to watch 1 nationally televised game without any idea of how the season is going, is like jumping into a show and starting on episode 6 and then not watching again till episode 15. They need to go back to how it was with fox sports, in that, your local team was always on basic cable or a live tv streaming service with a handful of games on nbc sports (or whatever) that anyone could watch, in market or not. THEN viewership will go back up. Oh and get rid of The Penguin, I mean Bettman.