The NO TIME TO DIE Movie "Debate" with Calvin Dyson 

"I want the jet to come out of horses ass in Octopussy", that must be the greatest line of all time😂😂😂👌

The “Comfort” Bond film is an absolute perfect description. Personally I can’t stand No Time To Die, the fact they killed Bond for me is like killing a super hero. The older bonds are pure comfort viewing for me.

You guys are a shining example of what a fan community should be. This is a film that you both admit to having many problems with but you (and the others that you collaborate with) always come at everything with a mature and measured attitude, whether you're talking about things you loved or things you hated. The comparison to the kinds of toxic discourse that certain _other_ franchises seem to get whenever a new movie is released is night and day.

Listening to you guys talk about this is so cathartic. I bought the movie on 4K but I find myself switching it off when they’re planning the assault on the island because I still just hate the ending so much. But I also find myself getting really upset when they kill Felix off too.

No time to die was a travesty of a film. You are both intelligent guys, you know why they made that ending and why they put it out there. The last strand of real masculinity on screen. They killed him to make sure it'd never be the same. Bond ended at Skyfall. The rest didn't need to be made. And yes I feel that strongly about it.

This is the one Bond film that should've never been made. It's main problem is that it doesn't have any story left to tell. The Craig era truly ended with Spectre whether you like that movie or not. Bond deciding not to kill Blofeld and riding off with Madeline into the sunset was the perfect way to end Craig's arc (even if it was rushed) because it feels like Bond finally understood what it takes to be happy: being with the woman he loves and not being an assassin. NTTD exists to bring back Craig's Bond just to kill him off and much of the story feels like "leftovers" rather than the main course of a meal. Spectre and Blofeld are killed long before the film's climax thus leaving the underdeveloped Safin to be the main villain. A much better story would've involved Bond fighting the remaining Spectre members with maybe Largo being the main villain. I'm sorry to say that this is the Bond film that makes me not want to be a James Bond fan anymore b/c now I feel like the franchise has outgrown me. It's the textbook example of how to make a commercial film that disappoints the fans of it's own franchise. When Craig said he didn't want to come back for Bond 25 after finishing Spectre, Broccoli and Wilson should've just left him alone and rebooted the series with a new actor.

The BIGGEST PLOT hole for this movie is the fact, after Safin's men have broken into the laboratory, no response by any kind of security forces is seen. Given the fact that the laboratory is operated by or is working for MI6 and the kind of viruses it holds, that seems extremely unlikely!

Always enjoy these collab video discussions with Calvin. Craig Bond Ranking 1) Casino Royale 2) Skyfall 3) No Time To Die 4) Quantum 5) Spectre

I actually was somebody who liked it a lot, but I totally understand where people’s reservations come from. BUT, I do fully believe the opening action sequence with the DB5 is one of the absolute best openers from any Bond film.

I hated the film, honestly, and it started at the beginning. Given how Spectre ends, the opening sequence and his distrust of Madeline makes absolutely no sense, and I'm sick of things being tied into Vesper 15 years of films later. The ending is awful and the antithesis of James Bond (a hero who always pulls ahead at the last second to survive), but I suspect that Craig required this ending as he has previously stated he would NEVER do Bond again, and this was a way to ensure he really wouldn't. Saffen's dastardly plot makes no sense (is he trying to kill large portions of the world, selling the nanotech to the highest bidder, something else?), and is never explained with numerous items just left hanging (such as the speed boats that were rapidly approaching his base... what happend to them, and why was Saffen, who was walking towards those boats, suddenly back fighting Bond?!). I can name so much more. Since I'm writing this as I listen (and adding to it): As to Primo, I'm surprised you two like him so much. He was so unnoticable and forgettable to me that in the final fight with him I had no idea Bond was fighting him and not generic henchman #3 until his eye shorted out and he died, surprising me as I realized it was him. The CIA traitor was meaningless because he was never given a reason for why he betrayed the CIA. They made him seem important, only to have him do nothing (but kill Felix) and die with no character motivation. The scene with Blofeld makes little sense in that, apparently, he had a robotic eye until shortly before it, but no one in prison security ever noticed? The final sequence, the Russians and Japanese are concerned with a British presence at this island in disputed territory, but they don't do anything when the British ship launches missiles at that island? Why did Saffen just let go of the girl when he'd been so intent to keep her before that? It's just... bad. The only thing I really liked was the part in Cuba with De Armas (and I wish she was the Bond girl, not Madeline again). I will admit though, I've never liked Craig as Bond. He's just never had the charisma I associate with every other James Bond. In truth, the only Craig film I'd ever re-watch again is Skyfall. I'd much rather watch any other Bond film (but Die Another Day) than anything with Craig. As a last note, killing Bond has one major problem: are they now going to kill Bond whenever an actor is done with the series and it's time to bring in a new actor? Is this going to become the norm where they kill Bond willy-nilly whenever they feel like it? There was always a sense previously that all the different Bond actors were still acting as the individual person James Bond (ear and actor notwithstanding, they were all James Bond). Now what? Are they rebooting it? What prevents them from doing it again? Just... it was just an awful decision.

I watched it four times at the theater, not because it was really good, but because it was the end of Daniel’s era as Bond. The beginning was incredible, the ending made me weep the first time watching it.. I had just broken up with my fiancé at the time, and I had wanted her to watch it with me, but went alone.. I can’t complain about the ending, I loved it actually. He went out with a bang, and it’s time for a reset..

Yeah, my only real complaint about the Matera sequences is that they weren’t longer. I wanted more foot chase, more motorcycle action, and more with the DB5. I loved it all, it was just too short.

Love the content on this channel, and love Calvin Dyson, but, we rarely talk about one particular type of Bond fan.....the folks who STILL don't care for the Craig films. Too dark, too brooding and they don't even feel like they are a part of the same franchise as the pre-Craig films. Here's hoping they return to the formula!!

After seeing this movie I wished someone would drill a tiny hole in my head to remove all memories of it

Great video. One question I had about the Bond/Blofeld interrogation (Also - going back to Spectre). In this Bond universe, Bond and Blofeld grew up together for a number of years. Don't you think there would have been some dialogue or acknowledgement of their history? Not, "how is aunt ginny doing", but something? They grew up together but that history was totally ignored. Idk, that could have been fun to hear. At least a few minutes of dialogue about unfinished childhood business.

HOWARD W. > As a Bond fan for over 55 years, ( I was14 when I saw Thunderball in 1965 ), I have to say NTTD is one of the LEAST memorable Bond films I`ve seen. For the next Bond film, I hope they bring back director Martin Campbell.

Just watched Calvin's 'Craig era trailers' video. The NTTD trailers would appear to indicate that Safin was more fleshed out than in reality and that Bond would have to become uneasy allies with Blofeld to take down a mutual enemy. You have to wonder about hasty rewrites and what got cut?

I will always hate the ending of this film because of what happens to my hero. But the more I watch it, the more I enjoy it overall. It shows sides to Bond that have never been shown before and it's wonderfully shot. There are low points but also highs. Ultimately, I feel that viewing Daniel Craig's 5 films in its own story arc helps to detach it from the other films and softens the film's ending. The film is right up there for me but still doesn't touch Casino Royale which was revolutionary.

For me, the pre-title sequence is way too long. I like them short and concise within 5-12 minutes. But this one goes on and on for 20+minutes, at which point the title sequence feels really out of place. The film has already started and now you grind it to a halt. The problem I see is that it comprises three different sequences instead of focusing on one and leaving the others for later in the film or just cutting them out entirely.

I'm not surprised David's son didn't like it. From the videos they've done together it seems he prefers the fun/light-hearted Bond. Nttd isn't a particularly fun film. The problem with nttd is that people aren't going to revisit it for a good time. The opening action scene (db5 etc) was great. But most of the film is quite heavy going.

My two favorite Bond RU-vidrs together again, I love it every time you gentlemen collab

Quantum of Solace completes the series. Provided closure to Vesper, Closure to help handler, closure on the villain who posed a world threat from a secret society type and who killed the Bond girl.

I agree with David I thought the whole time blofeld was going to escape would've made a better 3rd act. Great stuff guys keep it up

Didn't Bond make an omelette in AVTAK? Didn't Fleming provide us with Bond's recipe for scrambled eggs?

I'm quite fond of the movie until the ending. And then it drops farther than any other Bond film did as a result of its ending, even managing to beat out Spectre on that front. I don't have a problem with Bond dying. (In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with giving the series a rest at this point, since we're well-past adapting all of Fleming's novels.) But the circumstances of his death are so silly that it essentially ruins the entire Craig era for me. The magical incurable nanobots are about the most ridiculous thing in this entire franchise, and to have that be the reason that Bond gives up is barely a step above ending the movie with the Monty Python foot coming down and squishing 007.

Wonderful and insightful in-depth deep dive into what was - for better or worse- one of the most important Bond films ever made. Filled with brand new ways to look at the film. After every one of these discussions between the two of you I always look at the film you cover with fresh eyes and new perceptions! Great question at the end! When do you watch this film in the future??? Like Calvin, on a relaxing day I’ll often throw on The Spy Who Loved Me or Tomorrow Never Dies or perhaps Goldfinger as my comfort food. In the Summertime I’ll always watch Thunderball of course… Winter is time for OHMSS or The World is not enough…. Etc etc Just about every film in the series can be thrown on just for fun and relaxation. But this one - and perhaps the Craig films in general - somehow seem like real big substantial pieces of entertainment that you sort of have to sit there and pay close attention to! Especially this one - where our all time favorite hero gets blown to smithereens at the end! We’re definitely not putting it on for the young kids in our families that’s for sure! I think we’ll put this on when we are ready for big prime time entertainment that we could sink our teeth into. Probably not just for light fun. Perhaps after one or two new films that are fluffy and fun with a new 007 we’ll pull this one out casually again … but still always with great respect!

I still think Nomi, although not a bad character by any means, wasn't a necessary character to feature in this film. Instead, I think Paloma should have been given a larger role in the story, serving as the agent accompanying Bond in this mission. Also, Bond's retirement should have been given more screen time, maybe including a reference to him remaining friends with Felix even in retirement to make Felix's death that bit more emotional.

Why the f*** did the producers started with the idea of bond getting killed??? What are they doing?? Stop getting bond wrong! Can we please have Cubby back. And I just hate Craig now for wanting this ending. What an idiot. He doesn't get bond at all.

Other than the opening sequence. The movie was like a two hour parody with the jokes taken out. I'm a major OHMSS fanatic so that was there; but the homage was over done to the point it was like it was done to appease Bond aficionados but not done with an understanding of why we like OHMSS.

NTTD is the movie that will just collect dust while being able to say, “ I’ve got the Daniel Craig series collection “

I've come to terms with the ending of the film now, I'm not 100% happy and I'm still not sure if it was the right choice, but is interesting that we have a complete story of Bond from the beginning to the end of his career.

Has noone picked up on the fact that M was disbelieving on how Blofeld managed to run a Spectre meeting from Belmarsh but nobody focussed on the fact that 5 years earlier, Blofeld organised everything that happened to Bond at Vesper’s grave and also managed to call Madeleine’s phone and chat to her from Belmarsh. No scanning the whole damn man at that time!

I like that Bond is apologizing to Madeleine without actually saying "sorry". To me that seems very in character. "She's not yours" line: I think Madeleine did not want him to feel obligated. Also I think she did not want to emotionally distract him. As for Bond, he knew that was his child, he just was not going to press the issue. He knew he needed Madeleine to trust him first. Yeah, I've never thought about a Bond film this much. Heck, I can't even remember the last time I thought about a film this much.

No Time to Die isn’t too fantastical to be a Bond movie, but it is way too fantastical to be a Craig Bond movie. In Casino Royale, they decided to go for a more realistic tone. Can you imagine a bionic eye participating in the poker game in that movie with the help of some bald goon holding up their cards for them? Can you imagine seeing that at a real-life poker game in 2022? No, I didn’t think so. Stick with the tone you’ve chosen until the story is over. If they wanted Craig’s Bond-verse to be more fantastical, they should have introduced those elements in Casino Royale.

Cool, I can watch this debate on Saturday morning then I can watch NTTD again in the afternoon but, this time on IMAX

For me the Craig run was an opportunity missed where they could have planned and made a clean series, but it’s cobbled with a depressing ending and ultimately not as solid as it could have been esp since we saw Casino and Skyfall being so good. But for me Bond is done and I just don’t care if they ever make more.

Forgot to say it’s another brilliant debate. Really enjoyed it, cheers guys

I'll be interested to see what the perception of this film is in a decades time when the next Bond has a couple of films [hopefully!] under there belt [especially if those films take a more lighter direction] and viewers have watched the Craig films as a 5 part saga [given it's interesting how Dalton's films seem to be more popular now than in the 90's for example].

I absolutely love these "debates" and the free form style to the discussions! I honestly love NTTD but I can't deny that Safin is such a big anchor and that he weighs down a lot. There was a video I watched recently where they compared him to Zemo from Civil War and Thanos from Infinity War/Endgame and for me, that's really the closest I can muster up what he is trying to do...?? Its really bungled in the worst way honestly and I agree that there should've been people or groups or something shown to get a more tangible sense of the stakes at hand rather than being told what could happen. I think Calvin has said it best with like Goldfinger... He likes gold and wants only his gold to prosper. Easy enough to understand but I love this so much!

Rewatched this weekend with my wife and had to come back and listen to this debate again. Some great points and completely agree the ending section falls flat. My wife didn’t really enjoy it and as much as I tried, I also struggled. The Cuba section I was a little bit on the fence with before but agree it’s excellent! Big QOS (some of my favourite chase scenes in the series, especially the boat one) and moonraker fan here. Love the debates! Thanks for all the content!

First Bond film I refused to watch at the cinema.

I always thought Bond decided to do the mission cause of what M did. So mad at M's decision, he is like okay, well, I'll go ahead and help Felix.

I'm really glad to hear acknowledgement of some of the issues I had with the film - especially Bond not feeling like Bond, how tonally jarring it sometimes is, overuse of gunplay and the lack of action spectacle and set pieces. In previous videos I was really surprised that nobody was talking about these things, and I sometimes felt like you guys had seen a different film to me! Overall I think I more or less agree with you at this point, though I'd probably still rate it as one of the worst Bond films. It's a beautifully shot film with some great acting and action, hampered by some really shoddy writing and decisions, and a gimmicky ending.

Great discussion. You both are very good at verbalizing different feelings you have for parts of No Time To Die. I wish I could feel anything but a sense of missed opportunity with this movie. Why couldn't Bond just have a mission like the good old days. Why did the movie have to try to be so complex that it "stubbed it's own toe" in trying too hard.

I find the use of the OHMSS music frustrating because as a Bond fan, I look back at that movie fondly. I just think it’s a cheap way of emotionally grabbing you at the end. NTTD is nowhere near as great as OHMSS.

The fact that he dies puts a shadow over the overall feeling of the film - I'm sure that if he hadn't it would definetley rank higher!!

There's a scene cut from this film that takes place after the closing credits. It's Felix sitting up in bed, laughing and chatting up the nurses.

I'm afraid I'm in the camp that really doesn't like this film. I would rather watch Die Another Day multiple times than watch No Time to Die again and I'm really not a fan of Die Another Day. The problem I have with it is that for me, it never really feels like a Bond film. The Bond elements feel purely like tokenism and inserted into a story that at times has more in common with the Taken franchise with Liam Neeson. Especially in the latter half. And of course there is that ending. To me that doesn't feel like Bond at all. Fleming's Bond wouldn't just give up and surrender to his fate. The conversation with Q would probably go something like this. Q: There's nothing I can do. Bond: You find a way to get these bloody things out of me. I don't care how long it takes. Q: I... Bond: I'm not going to die on this island. Q: Save yourself James. We'll work something out. I don't have any problem with James Bond having an heroic death but I don't feel this actually was the death he deserved. It was kind of a weak, melancholy surrender and that's not the way Bond would go out. There are other issues such as the big build up of reintroducing Blofeld only to under use him in Spectre and then to simply waste him in No Time To Die. There was very little point in bringing him back. I think they could have done something more interesting with him. Such as have him and Bond team up to take down Safin and the final confrontation is then between Bond and Blofeld in a Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty moment where Holmes and Moriarty are fighting on the Reichenbach Falls. I think that would have been much more satisfying. Then you could have had the; "Die Blofeld Die" line and it would have felt earned and more deeply satisfying. Basically, I find the film full of missed opportunities and full of stuff that didn't need to happen such as the death of Felix Leiter. It tried to hard to emulate the emotional impact of OHMSS but failed as far as I'm concerned. The death of Bond left me cold unlike the death of Tracy in OHMSS, which still stabs at my heart to this day. In conclusion, I found No Time To Die to be a cynical attempt to try and eclipse a Bond classic that is superior and has more genuine heart to it than this film could ever hope to have. Of all the official Bond movies Die Another Day used to be at the bottom of my list. That position has now been replaced by No Time To Die. Something that I thought would never happen. I always felt DAD would be at the bottom of my list as long as the franchise existed. It's fine with me if people like this movie. We all like different things. I love Thunderball and many people hate it because of the extended underwater scenes but those underwater scenes are exactly why I absolutely love it. I think the underwater photography is amazing and I don't feel as if it slows the pace of the film as some do. So if your perception of NTTD is different to mine and you get something very different from it than I do that's great. I'm sure it's shot to the top spot in many people's lists but it's just not for me, sorry.

Also IM SICK of all these sad Bond songs - the next Bond song needs to be uplifting and exciting aka A View to a Kill!

I love these 'The No Time To Debate' Dies. Although it does slightly worry me that they killed off the main character, as if it's anything like Star Wars, the next movies will all be spinoffs and luke-warm reboots. For my money you cant beat a Crocodile Submarine Suit, for the most fun at parties.

I'm conflicted on the boat scene, because I love the Cuba scene and Paloma as is, but Felix's death would've packed more punch if he was the one on that mission with Bond

1:32:04 that ending spoiled it for me. I saw it on (Australian) opening day. I went in at the end of the previous showing and could hear We Have All The Time In The World and saw "James Bond will return" on the screen - I was confused.

Great debate as always - I feel very similarly about this film. Great start but goes downhill after Cuba. Excellent action throughout. One of my main issues with the reuse of musical cues from OHMSS is that it is used as a shortcut to getting an emotional reaction from the audience. I feel it shows a lack of faith in the writing and performances - “just in case the sadness of this scene isn’t coming across, here’s some music from one of the saddest Bond films!”

Excellent job as always. I really want to like this movie, but the main problem for me is by making it an emotional Bond film comes at the expense that it's not as entertaining a Bond film. Craig feels neutered and overly dour with none of the excitement of his previous portrayals. The film is very baggy and overlong. Rami Malek is surprisingly an ineffective villain who does next to nothing. The film plays in fits and starts and feels as if made by committee checking off boxes and is not seamless. Lastly, killing characters doesn't define or guarantee emotion. Ian Fleming, in 14 novels, never killed off Felix Leiter or James Bond. It didn't have to happen here. It felt like this was done to placate Daniel Craig who may have had too much input. Watch his first three films to enjoy the Craig tenure. His last two, with spotty writing and bad performances have already managed to kill James Bond.

1962-2021 RIP James Bond 007

My main problem with the Daniel Craig Bond films is not Craig . He’s excellent in all 5. I also love all the action set pieces. Where it falls down for me is story. A story that ran from 2006 that I had no connection with it at all. I wish now that Craig had had 5 standalone films as per tradition. If I want a long story arc I’ll watch a tv series . Not Bond. And for goodness sake bring back the fun . Moore still number one with me followed by Brosnan. Love both your channels guys . But damn you take up a lot of my time haha :) in a good way of course ;)

Well this certainly made me realise many issues I've had without realising I had them... overall I still thoroughly enjoy the film but boy oh boy this has been an eye opener. Thanks for the content gents

Always enjoying seeing you two together talking Bond. Loved the video of the 4 of you guys as well talking about this movie.

What the hell were they thinking with Blofeld - very cool concept with the eye thing, but no pay off, they just kill him before he literally does anything - yeah yeah they were reflecting how bond strangled him in the book of You Only Live Twice, but it's without any real backbone - Blofeld doesn't even do that much in Spectre, you wait for him to do something cool in this film, and he does NOTHING. It's the opposite of a satisfying death. It's just there to act as a minor twist. That choice was a total deflation. At least Blofeld's death in For Your Eyes Only was funny lol

My brother made a good point. Bond loses everyone meaningful to him throughout his tenure. Craig’s tale is a tragedy.

It I always enjoyable to hear you guys thoughtfully considering the film.... when you did roundtable with Joe and joreon, David said made you feel it did he....and the ending does make me feel something....

You are such a pair of bond geeks in the best way - I could not switch off - had to just keep listening to your banter for 1:46

Thanks fellas! There would be a lot to write here if I were to itemize the film but I pretty much agreed with both of you about it. Although I haven’t come to terms with it yet both structurally and emotionally. Structurally, the hull has leaks. Emotionally, they took Bond away from me…and I’m definitely not liking it. That said, I can appreciate the bold(eh hem) departure. Great job as always. Cheers!

The problem with Cuba is that it was shot on a sound stage and it feels like it was too. On Nomi: it wasn’t the media’s fault; it was the fault of the team marketing the movie (including central casting). They repeatedly made deliberate and pointed comments about feminism etc. The boat scene is technically excellent and necessary to tell the audience that the stakes are high: no outcome is off the table.

David you are right it’s definitely the music I just can’t help but well up when I hear it. Held it together in the cinema just about but was crying watching it at home.

In movies Characters are more important than the actors who portray them. Bond is supposed to be timeless and yet you kill that character on the wish of an actor and producer; its hard to stomach that choice and really hard moving forwarded with Bond films.

I feel quite sad about the direction the Bond series is going in. I don't understand the continual use of Purvis and Wade as writers, they are really not very good. I wish David Arnold was back on music (he was an asset to the series). Bond has such a rich iconography, it deserves so much better than this. Safin was non existent, Bond dying is a betrayal of the character, the use of OHMSS music is very forced, create something new and original to 'add' to the series. Barbara Brocolli is the one that has final say. She wants to develop the character, but they are losing the essence of what makes bond - fun and fantasy

You guys are mad with your extremely deep analysis of bond movies, I love it!. Once you are a bond fan it’s forever.

The fight choreography was also puzzling. At times it's like a cheesy parody of a real Bond film. In this one, Bond doesn't demonstrate the hand to hand skills that you see in the previous Craig films. Perhaps the writers they brought on board are trying to show that retired Bond got older and slower but I think it's overdone. Just because older Bond lost a step or two doesn't mean he would be such a mediocre fighter. Someone of his former rank, should be fighting smarter if they can't fight harder at this point. He can barely defend himself this time in contrast to Casino Royale where he's an impressive fighter. The action scenes are pointless in many sections and the gadgets are questionable. Does it really make sense to sit in the Aston Martin, that's full of gadgets, gimmicks and death dealing devices while the clock is ticking and just let your adversaries shoot round after round after round at these impossibly bullet proof windows?

I really liked this film, but one thing that tips the scale for me is the fact that it massively improves Spectre, a film I've never been particularly keen on since seeing it in the cinema.

Mixed feelings about NTTD for me. I have only seen it once and i felt like once was enough. Great action, loved the opening sequence but for me the ending dragged on a bit and Saffin was underwritten. Daniel Craig was great again but felt Rami Malek wasn't great but i blame the director and writing for this more so then the actor. Ana de armas as paloma was a real treat i couldn't take my eyes away from her whenever she was on screen. Overall 6/10 for me some great thing's in this but not enough unfortunately.

I'm over Daniel Craig's era completely. I'm 100% ready for a complete reboot 007 era with a new actor playing Bond at this point. I would LOVE to see Bond movies return to their roots: make Bond a spy again, bring back the sex, bring back the style, bring back the travelogue, bring back the great villains and henchmen, and yes, bring back the humor as well. I remember when Bond movies were FUN, and when the latest Bond movie theme song was a current hit single on the top-40 chart. STOP with Bond going rogue in every movie! STOP making every Bond movie a personal vendetta! STOP making Bond a drama queen! Stop exploring Bond's past and his psychology! STOP with the story arcs spanning several movies! STOP making Bond be monogamous! STOP making Bond fall in love!

You know the expression "A good idea, badly executed"?. For me NTTD is the opposite. It was two (at least) terrible ideas, but it was put together so well that it almost got away with it. I stress almost!

Finally saw it, you guys inspired me to. Agree with much of what you say. My critiques (I'd love to hear your guys on are) 1- Why after Blofeld screwed Madeline would she go see his therapist? 2- If M build Heracles, why didn't he ever consider s virus or be able to fix it? 3- Nano machines so what? How many times does q inject nano bots into bond during Craig's tenure. (Ps I don't like this Q 4- It felt like teenagers fighting.... Everyone hates everyone at mi-6, and than they're just ok with each other. (It seemed rushed). 5- As far as Rami goes I was turned off immediately. A 6 year old shoots him I'm the PTS, and I'm supposed to think this is worst bond villain of them all. 6- The throwbacks to Vesper, and M sitting in front of Judi Denches picture makes Bonds sacrifice seem unworthy. (IE- If h sacrifices himself in Skyfall for M; I thought he was gonna die I'm that, I could got behind it). 7- Where the hell are the other 00's? It would have been more convincing this is urgent, if there are other 00's. (Or even instead of the virus being stolen, a team of 00s bring wiped out). 8- When I saw inglorious bastards, I always thought "This guy was meant to be a Bond villain", I feel like they wasted a top Bond performance here. 9- Why does Naomi just decide she respects 007, I don't get it! (No character development). 10- The Cuba scene felt like Craig In a Moore film. (I think the chic did great with a shit script). I also felt like Bond should have done what Naomi did. It felt like he was just standing there shooting. 11-Does anyone feel like either M, or Felix should have been there at the end? Either M takes responsibility, and gets involved. Or Felix lives and goes out with Bond at the end (I'd have been ok with that I think). 12- The toast to Bond at the end is crap. I love Fleming, and don't care for the films very much as is. (Save a precious few and the classics), it just felt like... "Oh we're going to throw Fleming quotes in there to justify things". Honestly M had no right, and should have at least apologized to Madeline. I could go on.... But those are my major gripes. PS.... Final point.... As far as Bonds death.... Does anyone feel like it would have been better if he has to die simulateously with Safin? Or something like it's established it has to be a suicide mission to begin with. and we get the sappiness out of the way and end on a Bond action note? (IE- Bond contracts the virus earlier on, and there's a time lapse on it). Good job guys.

I feel you so much, David and Calvin! Cheers and thx for the video!

It was never designed as a 5 film story ark and that's where I think these last 2 films suffer the most. If it was planned from the beginning, I'm sure it could've turned out much better. I hope Bond 26 is more focused and is doing its own thing. And personally, James Bond 007 doesn't die.

David, like you this was my Bond. We are roughly the same age and it affected us the same, the ending makes me feel the same way you did.

If you're going to invoke On Her Majesty's Secret Service, you better have a female lead that's in the class of Diana Rigg. For example, Megan Boone from The Blacklist would've brought the kind of compelling charisma and gravitas that would have elevated the film in so many ways and been the proper romantic foil for Bond. Using Armstrong's rendition of "We Have All The Time In The World" only reemphasizes very painfully how far the producers and director missed the mark here. You guys just need to admit that this film is a major dissapointment. A word of advice to the Broccolis- Next time open up your wallet for casting and use some of that cash to hire an A list actress to play the Bond girl instead of going so overboard with special effects.

I knew this movie was going to be a disaster the moment they released the promo shots with Bond wearing a tie clip.

I was devastated. This movie strayed so far from the Bond formula I grew up with. It was like they stole a piece of my childhood and then sent me a video of it dying slowly for two hours. I’m still processing

Did anyone else catch on from Craig saying ‘we have all the time in the world’ in the opening few scenes that he was gonna die based on OHMSS?

I feel like, now that there's been some time for the movie to settle in everyone's minds, this will be a more solid, clear discussion. I'm looking forward to it.

Excellent debate! You both like the movie to varying degrees but it’s good to see you successfully examine and argue the merits of it. That’s not always easy.

There is a definite divide In my friends and family as Calvin mentions that non-Bond fanatics really enjoyed it and majority of those who are hated the last 20 mins. I went and watched it twice, thought it was brilliant. You can only go to that well once with the ending.

As for the end? I mean, not being able to go forward with a family felt like a fate worse than death so the missile finishing him off seemed secondary.

Never let a woman write for Bond again. This wasn’t the Taken franchise but Phoebe had to write in, Mother and Child. Bond is a cold assassin. Aloof, he beds women for information and fun and moves on. His life is the mission he’s on. Here, he’s just another protective Dad with man issues 😢

They should of hired Martin Campbell to do the movie.

the Cuba sequence is my favorite part of the film. I actually like this film a lot. I put it in my top 5 Bond films. My top 2 are Skyfall and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I loved hearing that theme in the film, btw.

1:19:15 - Do you have a link handy for that “How Not to Write a Bad Guy” video? That sounds absolutely fascinating, but I can’t seem to find it.

Howard Weber says > I thought Bond yelling like Tarzan in Octopussy and the sound effect when the car jumped the bridge in TMWTGG were the worst things I`d seen in a Bond film but when I heard the music from OHMSS ( my favorite Bond film) being played in NTTD , that did it. Are you kidding me ! What an insult to George Lazenby. The song WE HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD belongs to George and no one else. Just like NOBODY DOES IT BETTER belongs to Roger. What the hell were the producers thinking.

I agree with David’s point about how when Bond goes to Norway, the film goes off course from what we regard makes up a Bond film. Although I suppose they need to push the boundaries to some extent

Thanks for the debate, it was fun and interesting!

50 years a Bond fan , just an AWFUL " Bond " movie !! Just like the other Craig Bonds ill watch it in the cinema , 🎥 perhaps on DVD but never again ! The Bonds are losing their value !!

This will be epic! Watching from Trinidad in the Caribbean. Cannot wait!

How much of a debate is this going to be? I don't think either one of you are particularly enamored with it. A sentiment I share by the way. It wasn't a Bond film in my opinion, it was a Daniel Craig vanity project.

The biggest improvement from Spectre is Madeline Swan... She is almost a completely different character in No Time To Die and I actually believe that she and Bond are in love as opposed to Spectre...

How much more of the film is there to debate? You have already covered the movie along with Joe Darlington and Dutch Bond Fan on the roundtable discussion.

What is the name/link for the podcast which talks about the symbolism of the title sequence please ?

Too bad we'll never know which one of the writers contributed certain lines. Because for me it gets a little annoying to constantly hear people saying. "That's such a brilliant line, that must have been Phoebe Waller-Bridge". Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of "Fleabag", but that seems a little unfair to Purvis & Wade.

No problem with the ending in concept, it possiblly the only time they could have did, the issue in its execution. Its feeling like 'Let's do a Logon' and more for Craig's benift than eurned from a story perspective.