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The Non-dual Misconception 

Robert Saltzman
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@hansgouda8593
@hansgouda8593 4 месяца назад
This was always the dilemma I had with modern spiritual teachers (such as Rupert), whose knowledge and experience with awareness and inner peace I certainly respect and recognize. The absolute separation of body and mind and the absolute 'certainty' that consciousness is the universal basis of all that exists (where all that exists, the world, is only an illusion. As I prefer to say: not the world is an illusion, but our perceptions are an illusion. Plato has already stated this clearly.
@hansenmarc
@hansenmarc 2 дня назад
5:58 “If you believe that consciousness is the only thing that really exists, you may be right. I don’t know, and no one else does either.” Beautiful. I’m always amazed at the hubris some people have to think they have this mystery all figured out. They can’t fathom that their belief is just another perspective and could be absolutely wrong. 10:04 “Skepticism is a valid approach to understanding the world, but credulity is not a valid approach to understanding the world.” Amen, brother.
@emilobe
@emilobe Месяц назад
The more I get into the whole matter, I realize that ANY concept is a misconcept.
@TrojansFirst
@TrojansFirst Год назад
When you are in that oneness state it feels so real that the everyday reality feels like a dream by comparison.
@viktorvaughn1079
@viktorvaughn1079 Год назад
Yea but I don't know if it is right to base our understanding of reality on mystical experiences. I have had experiences of oneness and love but I question myself when I try to paint whole of reality with the few experiences I had it seems like iam just forcing myself to make sense.
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 Год назад
@@viktorvaughn1079 yet you believe all the other crap your mind tells you everyday
@Tasmanaut
@Tasmanaut Месяц назад
it is not oneness, oneness implies a number. It is an experience of non-separation. If you want a number, it is more like 0 or infiniteness.
@TrojansFirst
@TrojansFirst 29 дней назад
@@Tasmanaut I wouldn’t get hung up on words. There are no words that can come close to adequately describing the experience. It’s the transformative experience itself that’s beyond words that counts. I use oneness because in the west the most popular tradition is Christianity and Jesus said; “I and the father are one.” Just another way of saying that we are reality itself.
@Tasmanaut
@Tasmanaut 29 дней назад
@@TrojansFirst you are right brother, I don't know why I wrote this comment, I shouldn't have. There was a need to be a smart-ass and correct you. I am sorry about this. You are 100% correct on all accounts, you've got it brother :)
@user-um1iv9kv4q
@user-um1iv9kv4q 3 месяца назад
I don't know if Robert is familiar with Bernardo Kastrup, but, he can and does explain, using scientific reasoning, that materialism is baloney and that consciousness and mind is primary.
@RobertSaltzman
@RobertSaltzman 3 месяца назад
I have read Kastrup. He believes what he believes. The arguments came later. The results of reasoning are not facts but opinions backed up by logic.
@Stefan69whatever
@Stefan69whatever 10 месяцев назад
It's like Brian said: everybody has to find out for himself (or herself).
@bacobill
@bacobill Год назад
Nisargadatta actually goes beyond the concept of consciousness.. The title of one book is 'Prior to Consciousness' just for starters.. And if read correctly A Course In Miracles does the same even though most students miss that minor detail.
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 Год назад
you cant get beyond consciousness. or else its unconscious haha
@robertjsmith
@robertjsmith 9 месяцев назад
@@mikelisteral7863consciousness is an illusion?
@bacobill
@bacobill Месяц назад
@user-yo2ki7vu7d Perhaps the ego is not to be transcended but simply relinquished as the nothing that it is (?)
@bparcej6233
@bparcej6233 Год назад
Enjoy Robert’s perspective. I’m not able to “get” non duality except in a poetic sense.
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 Год назад
the only thnig that exists is consciousness which is non dual
@jparkercoleman
@jparkercoleman Год назад
Robert, thank you for your insight. As an avid reader of Nisargadatta I was uncomfortably convicted by your perspective. I think the desire to “end suffering” is strong in me. I would like to imagine that this tendency could also be a source of suffering when held as an edict. I would imagine “the search for remedies” can become just another abstraction. Any thoughts? Thank you for sharing❤❤❤
@RobertSaltzman
@RobertSaltzman Год назад
I have spoken about this a lot, John. Since you are aware of my channel now, check out some of the earlier stuff. Briefly, suffering (psychologically) is the feeling that something needs to happen or that something needs to change. Be well.
@diannea.2587
@diannea.2587 Год назад
What does the term 'tantric' actually mean? I understood it is an appreciation that things are NOT separate? Tantric therefore is saying that there is just a seeing that all there is, is What Is? Am I in agreement with you Robert then?
@cps_Zen_Run
@cps_Zen_Run Год назад
Perhaps not elimination of suffering but reduction in intensity and duration. Instead of “I am anger or I am frustrated,” the sense of anger or frustration arises. Treating it more like an object. Emotions are real but not correct. LOL. IMHO, most psychological suffering results from identifying with our illusionary Ego.
@RobertSaltzman
@RobertSaltzman Год назад
Carey, despite the claims of "spiritual" teachers, ego is not "illusionary." It is what is meant every time one utters words such as "I" or "me." That is about as real as it gets.
@cps_Zen_Run
@cps_Zen_Run Год назад
@@RobertSaltzman , it seems that Seeing, Hearing, and Thoughts arising requires no effort. No “me or I” doing it, no mini-me inside my head. Looking for the Seer or Thinker, I find No One, Robert. Still, I claim no Truth, except perhaps curiosity. Lol. Perhaps I am equating self and ego as synonyms. Also, I appreciate your videos, book, and commentary.
@RobertSaltzman
@RobertSaltzman Год назад
Who is it that wants to reduce suffering?
@cps_Zen_Run
@cps_Zen_Run Год назад
@@RobertSaltzman , (in response) back to the illusionary self/ego that has convinced the Mind that it is real. Every interaction, thought, memory is experienced in Consciousness. The sense of self or ego is another thought/ story arising from our minds, and presented in our consciousness. Awareness is aware of itself, not as a self but awareness. I’m not committed to this. Lol. Just trying to understand the dis-ease of the human condition.
@RobertSaltzman
@RobertSaltzman Год назад
Understood. For me, the words "experienced in Consciousness" are problematical. As I see it, "Consciousness," particularly with a capital "C" is not a "thing" like a container in which experience takes place. Experience is all that we have to go on and what you all calling consciousness IS experience. There is no separation. They are one and the same. What you are calling consciousness is nothing more than experiences of all kinds, which keep arising in different aspects unless you become unconscious, which means no experiences are arising. Without experiences, there iS no consciousness. Any split between experience and myself or between experience and consciousness is purely conceptual Awareness being aware of itself is a strange idea, as I see it. One may have that as a concept, but not in fact. Myself IS experience. No experience, no myself. Awareness is just another name for all that, in my view. Myself is one experience after another. What can possibly stand outside of all that being aware of that? If you say something does, how do you know that? In order to know that, you would have to be AWARE of it, so then you require awareness being aware of awareness being aware, and after that, it's turtles all the way down. I highly recommend you read Douglas Hofstadter's book, I Am a Strange Loop. If you can. let's have this conversation in the Depending On No-thing Facebook group where other minds can chime in.
@eskede4733
@eskede4733 Год назад
I'm curious about your opinion of Intelligent Design.
@RobertSaltzman
@RobertSaltzman Год назад
There is no evidence for it and a mountain of evidence for evolution by natural selection.
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 Год назад
intelligence doesnt exist. only eternal patterns eternally changing
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 Год назад
@@RobertSaltzman evolution just means gradual change. but gradual change of what and by what? there is no evidence for matter
@eskede4733
@eskede4733 Год назад
@@mikelisteral7863 Nonsensical.
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 Год назад
@@eskede4733 relative to what? your brainwashing?
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