The Office - plot holes & inconsistencies 

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that's something Michael would forget or not care about

He had no idea Toby has been rehired for weeks too 😂

Maddie Hassell Jim also called her an accountant

Yeah on her birthday card right? Glad the writers changed her job though, she made no sense as an accountant and supplier relations led into some of her more scandalous storylines

Jim wrote this joke, not Michael

its kinda sounds like he just learned why he has to wash his hands

Lmao and remember that episode when he said “ I have no patience for stupidity “ how ironic

Its stupid how he included this because he cant criticize them for being inconsistent when it was a deleted scene

Ana Gambale yeah. This.

@@jacksonhenry5588 a lot of the "inconsistencies" on this list are just character development or things that pertain to real life. Kevin is a little bit anti-social and weird. I like to think that when someone else told him to wash his hands in earlier episodes, it became apparent to him that that is something that he should do, so he tells others to do it. So rather than being an "inconsistency" it becomes "consistent" with his character development.

burify I think they made his hair like that to better match the boss' hair from The Office UK, but then the US version took off and they then did whatever they wanted with the show basically

Idk man Why I gotta put my name? For sure. If you listen to Jenna Fischer and Angela kinsleys podcast they talk about how Ricky gervais actually was the one who told them to change Michael because Americans wouldn’t relate to a boss like the UK one.

@John Barber actually between season 1 and 2 there's no such thing as transplant. I have light hair so I know that when you gel up the hair, and style them pulled backwards it will maximize the balding look, on the contrary dried up side parted rested hair would be the opposite. So it's just that, but definitely Steve carell still has hair, so he definitely underwent some procedure in last decade.

burify Facts.

I assumed that when the show was re-upped for the second season, they made Steve get hair plugs.

Yeah I think it was pretty obvious that the few instances of Michael talking about going to college are either him trying to fit in unsuccessfully or meant to be clunky segues into what he actually wants to talk about, like the scene where he says the things he misses most are the parties but really he’s just trying to get Jim to invite him to the party he knows he’s already having.

Same thing with Angela saying she's a "professional woman"- it's written as hypocrisy because she ACTS like she is, while she's sleeping with employees and really just a conniving person

i am pretty sure he just got like an associates from a community college but never had the "college experience" that he fantasizes about

@@JasonThomasLionHeart why are you pretty sure about that?

​@@brandonsmith9512Wouldnt you need a college degree to work at a place like dunder mifflin and be considered to be manager

Smitten Duck it doesn’t but it’s fun to find them

It doesn’t matter on any show really. The reality is almost all shows start out different than they end up, and while consistency would be nice, it’s almost impossible considering how many exposures they have to write. In the end, it’s all about making 20 episodes a season being funny, and consistency gets thrown out the window.

Ikr, it's a comedy ffs

Sam Mayor YES! I totally agree with that! 👍👍

yes we can, but id still like to know the holes so i dont fall in

actually i just watched a video recently where everyone did nothing but complain about how Andy's good character went to shit, both in the video and in the comments.

I completely disagree it went the other way around

The writers were mad at Ed Helms for filming another show and missing filming the office so they added some bad character changes. You can tell throughout the ninth season they realized they made a mistake and changed his character back to the Andy Bernard we knew. We all go through personality changes in life and this was a wave of Andy’s changes. All of the characters changed. Something that is rarely brought up is how it was scripted for Jim to cheat on Pam and then put into deleted scenes. Edit: Thanks so much for the likes 🙂

Alice Wright no, just no

Savage Sea Monkey yes, just yes At first he was annoying and self obsessed now he is likable and slightly competent

Noah Suptho Dwight doesn’t own the building at that time

@@dashman8499 still not impossible for the cleaning staff to change so thats deffo not an inconsistency

@@ghostopss111 Also that music didn't sound Russian

@@Ryan-wx8of Plus, though it would be a weird explanation, both crews were different shifts. It's possible one crew is filled with people that speak Spanish and the other was filled with Russians. One seemed not long after they closed. So around 6:00 or 7:00. The other was late at night or even after midnight.

Yes, there is nothing unusual about Changing cleaning contractors. And, Russians listen to all different kinds of music.

its just weird that nobody mentions it

Good Catch !

She used to be an accountant

That sounds right

And anybody that's ever had a job before knows that people often apply internally for different positions, or are promoted within the company. So her having a different job from one season to the next is pretty common. But I guess if you've never worked before you can't possibly understand how somebody could work in accounting one day, and supplier relations the next.

Toby loses weight. Woah... what were they thinking

nah, erin was clearly her preferred name forever. when she overheard that the boss was calling her and kelly by their last names, it was her opportunity to be called her preferred middle name by everyone rather than her legal first name happens to me everytime I get a new job

@@kayem8418 while I understand what you're saying, my point is that the writers, her brother, AND her birth mother (who wouldn't have known this preference, as, the first time she ever meets her is at the end) all call her Erin, because the writers forgot the whole Kelly joke as soon as they made it.

@@Andoryuuu her birth parents gave her up as a baby, chances are they weren’t the ones who named her. When you think about it, if her birth parents actually did name her, than she would’ve been able to find them a lot sooner by last name. They call her Erin at the end because they found her through the documentary, and for 95% of it, she’s known as Erin. Also, Reed is her foster brother, so he would know her as the name she prefers.

Right before Dwight shot the gun near Andy, Andy said guns made him uncomfortable, yet he and Dwight went on a hunting trip in an earlier episode

Well I’m one of those weird “goes by middle name” people. However when asked like at school or work what my name is I’ll say my real name, later asking to be called by my middle. So, I would have said my name is Kelly, then asked to be called Erin if I could and then all of my friends and family would call me Erin. If you go by your middle name, it’s a hot mess and you’ll answer to anything.

It was also to make Michael less likeable

I don’t really think so. A tribute in the first season? I’m pretty sure that was just the hairstyle back then.

Yolky well, the first episode is exactly the same as the UK first episode, almost word for word, so I think they also wanted Michael to look like David Brent with the slicked back hair and no suit coat. So they just kept it the rest of the season

Steve Carell got hair plugs when he started making that office money.

It was also styled that way to really make him look like he was going bald. They later realized Michael read as more sad/pathetic than they intended, so he became more conventionally handsome by the second season.

John Krasinski has explained a lot of this. They got to know their characters and developed them accordingly.

Character progression can be good or bad. It has to be believable. In The Office some characters basically evolve into caricatures of themselves. That's not good writing, that's something that happens when a show has jumped the shark.

@@bobbobbins4877 well this happens in a lot of shows. Look at the sopranos season 1. But also always sunny kind of parodies this as well as the characters in that show just become more and more ridiculous as the show goes on.

@@Travelbug71 yeah, it still creates plot holes tho, like explained in the video

Honestly a lot of these aren’t even real plothiles

B O same lol

Same

The actor was also married to Angela for 10 years.

Anna you just blew my mind

Smruthi Garlapati ikr

yesssssss. i was so confused ab that

Crazy how building things works

they mention they built one and even if they didnt it really isnt that hard to build an office like that one

If a company assumed a new co manager. And they took their job seriously in real life, you know kinda how jimmdoes his job, then a new office would be erected practically over night for them.

He believed only kids go to the dentist for teeth cleaning I believe, and not adults, but then again, when he said he was going to the dentist, he claimed it was for an emergency crown, so I think he would go to the dentist if it was absolutely necessary.

Well it's a very common reason to come into work late. Whether or not he believes in adults going to a dentist. It creates a valid and believable excuse .

also, dwight lied about going to the dentist but freaked out when Jim lied about doing jury work

​@vitormartins3773 I mean. Dwight just looking to get fired for anything lol. But Jim took a whole week off where Dwight took a morning to do business related things

Also he says "I always knew it was here, I just never thought I'd actually get to see it."

He’s seen it before tho

Yes he plays a dude in a wheelchair but then Michael mentions that the kid in the wheelchair is his favourite character as a nod to the actor

@@meneertje25 Ohhhhhh. I didn't notice that!

Bradley cooper is mentioned which implies e existence of the hangover in the office universe

This happens in a lot of shows like DC legends. They mention that Supernatural is a show when 5 characters from their show play in that show

Shit I knew he looked familiar, but I haven't watched Glee since... 2012?

That and characters are supposed to grow.

Yea they started and every character was unlikable and then they realized nobody would watch that for 10 years lol

"erin, hr is a joke. i can't do anything about anything." poor toby

Also the company change

This was a massive time gap though

Did you read the video title?

RubberBoy II I’m saying that about half of these are with the title and the others aren’t

I'm happy if even half were worth anyone's time ! Will try harder next time to get the other half right 😆

chadnisha Im sorry that so many people can’t accept that one of their favorite shows have errors in it. I love The Office and have watched every episode a minimum of 3 times. I really enjoyed this video and thought you did a great job.

@@matthewperez1057 such kind words thank you so much I really appreciate it !

Where u read this? Cuz they still pointed that out with the second pair of Asian girls when Michael marked her... Why would they need to change them when they literally made a point of it ... That makes no sense.... Its either a stereo type belief in casting or it was a split filming/reshoot and the original girls couldn't come back for it... Makes no sense to go to that extent to make a point... Gonna have to see some articles that indicates this

@@KDotO79 It’s literally obvious

@@EM-wo6wfI looked this up and no it's not obvious at you say... in fact it wasn't like what she wrote at all? Atleast from what the actress, producers and writers all indicate. It is said that in the first storyline... they were supposed to be different waitresses, uglier ones indicating Michael and Andy failed at picking them up and had to settle for less . During filming they realize that the new asian waitresses was to pretty to play the role they intended for in the storyline so they made them out to be the same ones instead and continue with the storyline of Micheal confusing the two.... This is directly from the creator mouth and one of the Asian actress. This is an excerpt from in an article - The episode was shot in a real Benihana restaurant. According to the show's prop master, different actresses were used because Andy and Michael failed to pick up the original waitresses, and settled for "less attractive ones". At Paley Fest 2007, Greg Daniels admitted that the joke failed due to poor casting. The waitresses that comes to the office were supposed to be unattractive. Daniels stated that the actresses they hired for the role were "too good-looking"... So yeah how bout we find out the facts and not use the obvious when sometimes the most obvious is not the correct answer. So instead of coming in this thread and telling me it's obvious next time look that shit up before you comment bud. Google is your friend. Use it instead of looking like a dumb ass.

As someone who loves both shows I hate the idea of them coexisting

Also, Andy's name was originally Walter Jr..

But she was also taking an unpaid "job"

chadnisha but him knew pam was doing the job and Jim hid the secret from Pam for weeks

@@alrivera27 no she didn't, she just stood up all of a sudden and walked out without talking to him

chadnisha Jim found out like 10 minutes after pan took the job and Jim told Pam after weeks

@@alrivera27 not 10 minutes, in the moment without her giving a second thought. At least Jim brought her into the picture before he quit his job, moved, and invested any money in it.

Wait what episode was that?

It's deleted Scenes

@@samlikeshams wait but what episode was pams painting gone?

@@emmagrace4351 I not sure but it's past when Michael gets told by Andy and Dwight that he talked to a mafia person

@@samlikeshams oh ok thanks

I'm pretty sure when they were discussing whether he's gay the kid was mentioned, but idk after that.

Freyja Cooper you possibly know what episode that is?

@@latriciaglitter5829 Not sure what episode it is, but here's the clip: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4NeceLCqkoc.html

It's when he first meets Angela at Hay Place

Yes and his “kid” was Dwight’s nephew that comes later lol

yes, and pretty woman doesn't seem like the type of film dwight would like anyways

He didn't have to have seen it, but he had never heard of it while claiming he knows everything about film.

@@mortyexplains it's supposed to be a joke. he obviously wouldn't care that much about movies outside his favourite genres and pretty woman doesn't seem to be a movie he'd watch

@@mortyexplains by the way, i'm not trying to be rude i know a lot of work has been put into this video and i'm sorry about the backlash you're getting this could've been a cool video if you'd change the name to 'how the characters from the office evolved as people plus minor plot holes you might've missed' or something

I know it's a joke and it's a good one too. And I agree Pretty Woman is a movie Dwight would never watch

Yeah though she never seemed spiteful towards Michael despite him rejecting and being openly repulsed by her

I think it was just a joke

@@Aj-vm3hy did u pay attention to their interactions

It should still be somewhat realistic especially if that’s what they’re going for.

Coleman Cinema this show is based primarily off of stereotypes so I don’t think they’re trying to be too realistic. They just write whatever drives the plot forward.

Hannah Durnal if it has a plot then it has to have a consistent continuity

Joe mama yeah but after a while the writers change and they’re destined to miss small details

Hannah Durnal oh ok, that’s fair enough

*Angela

where can i listen? is it available on spotify?

christine idk

christine It’s on the default podcast app on iPhones

@@gznoodle it is available on Spotify. That's how I listen to it

The title says plot holes and inconsistencies

@@richbreath_ many of his points are character developments. For example he mentions Angela's breakdown after being dumped by the senator as a plot hole from before where she was prim and proper. This is obviously a character development, since in the show she literally lost everything when the senator left her.

@@MichaelParktheFirst I have seen many comments criticizing the term plot hole. Even though the title also mentions inconsistencies. In regards to character development that would be under the umbrella of inconsistencies. Whether or not you agree with the assertions are a different issue.

@@richbreath_ Im pretty sure you would not call character development an inconsistency. It is not inconsistent that someone's character would develop especially on a TV show

@@oneasterisk4703 I'm not calling it that the RU-vidr is.

These are not plot holes.

What about inconsistencies?

@@mortyexplains fuck you... this video was stupid and pointless... get a life...

@@mortyexplains nerd

that's what I was thinking

Stanley just gave up convincing Micheal

No, there is a clip where Stanley says something about not taking his insulin. That one would have been better.

@@xSmittyxCorex i remember the scene Jim was trying to streamline things by having one party, and Stanley complained bc he took an extra dose of insulin in preparation for the cake.

Just by the noise he made when he stood up, we know he has diabetes.

He had a son at the cocktail party lol

Or the fact that he doesn’t have a daughter and only a son

THIS ALSO CONFUSED ME

PixelGod97 no wonder because I thought I’d remember every scene in the show when I saw scenes that I didn’t remember .

What an idioy

Right. "We deleted these scenes because they don't make sense" "oH I FOUND A PLOT HOLE"

PixelGod97 he used the deleted scene as an example of how they left out rather important info that confused many people

The_Amazing_MELLon Yeah, Meredith’s face is messed up in the actually show, but they never talk about it or mention it because it was explained in a deleted scene lol that’s the plot hole

I’m pretty sure the end of that episode was simply a flashback to earlier in the day. I was confused seeing this as well, but I don’t think it was a plot hole. If you look at their clothes and all, it looks like a scene from before they got to the beach.

Think his problem was that he can't recognize a pyramid scheme

He didnt learn his lesson did he... haha that's why he is Michael

He didn't say he didn't know what a pyramid scheme is. He just said it's "Not" a pyramid scheme, even though it was. That's not the same thing.

Michael uses so many words he doesn't know the meaning of . Like jeopardy (David Wallace had to explain it to him)

He’s Micheal...

kermit sewerside dude the people on here are so mean. Loosen up a little, it’s just a video explaining stuff HE didn’t understand

I can see that as a very real possibility

@@mortyexplains was that a dwight reference?

@@tylerswiff1727 FACT !

False.

Or it’s called “character progression.” Dynamic characters grow over time. I don’t understand how this is a plot hole or anything. EVERYBODY changes over time, and we don’t have writers directing our lives. He’s only saying it’s a plot hole because it’s a TV show. This happens all the time in real life and I’m guessing he doesn’t say that there’s a plot hole in the character development of his mom. Who used to party in college but now she hates drinking? That’s weird. Or the dad who dropped acid and smoked weed at Coachella, but now forbids his kids do drugs? What hypocrite. You live and you learn. This entire video is full of dumb excuses for “plot holes.” He acts like character aren’t allowed to change their minds or grow as people. The fact that the characters are hypocritical and inconsistent is what makes them human! We are ALL hypocritical and inconsistent. We all go through phases where we hate work and then act like work is the most important thing in our lives. This video is a plot hole

Rob Getek exactly. The “Longest Engagement” Dundie wasn’t even given that night. Pam got “Whitest Sneakers in the Office Award” Dundie

@@austinwessonmusic777 and Phyllis won the "Bushiest Beaver" award haha

How could my beloved The Office ever have racist jokes!? It must be about them being waitresses! Yes! Of course!

@@cleverman383 no im damn sure they mentioned the joke earlier in the episode, maybe you should rewatch the episode

I think the comment is saying this is where we learn that the camera crew and subjects are not supposed to interact with each other. Not that this is the first time we learn its a documentary. It's just worded poorly. I mean the very next comment is about them interacting, a contradiction of this rule.

@@cmolaskeyj yeah but he said "later in the series, when we find out that they are subjects in a documentary"

Exactly. It even tells you that it’s a “documentary” in the description of the pilot

Alex King i think that’s when they explicitly talk about it

@@TheCookieArt I know but It's the way he says it's when you first learn that they're subjects to a documentary. It's obvious from the start that's what the show is about.

Also explain why they never knew they were being documented..?

@@camrynaldridge2648 all of them knew...

@Lara Sofia The warehouse probably

@@camrynaldridge2648 What the hell? Of course they knew they were being documented. That was the whole fucking point of characters looking at the camera and being pulled aside to talk inside of a room about the current situation.

We been know it’s in the video

Delicious Food i was confirming! thanks lol

@@dwightschrute5883 bears beats Battlestar Galactica

That's not how the real Dwight would speak. Dwight isn't black.

@@scotthelm7558 Black isn't a language

I'm with ya !

No way! Thanks for the tip! (twss?)

Yep. Don't know why they deleted that scene, as it kinda ties in with him being a serial adulterer.

WillTheRU-vidGuy heheheheh

You typed it out wrong, you actually spell it like this “art”

it’s not a deleted scene on amazon prime hehe

Gem Stealers or be more than one cleaning crew

@@abigailgomez2351 ikr more than 4 people working for a cleaning company? that's unheard of

@@ghostopss111 my mom recently bought a cleaning business. She has over 50 workers. they switch accounts all the time

lliebenste a conspiracy i can get behind

Sequoia C big brain

Ah yes, two people can’t have the same car. Toby seems like the obvious candidate, and the one everybody latches on too. I know that it’s the most exciting theory, but the fact that he got away from the police, and was put on the jury for his supposed strangling, the odds are insurmountable.

That One Creative Username but remember how he was down with the whole Lloyd thing right? So what are the odds that he wasn’t ok with having another fake Id

lmao the official yt account made a video confirming it was toby

It is the same house. They just changed the door.

Jarod Smith it’s like they demodernized it

The mention remodeling their house

They have been divorced since 2010

Dhafin Ilman you do realize they said “was” correct? Please take notice of the past tense part of their sentence.

That’s another “plot hole “

Boom, roasted

Even "slight contradictions" is way too much... most of this video is just stuff that happened. Darren is fit and then he gets fat a few years later is as much of a plot hole as miley cyrus cant be Hannah Montana because one has brown hair and the other is blonde

...

It’s not like he’s shaming them lmao

They had an office bible according to Jenna and Angela

He's not criticizing them, it's just pointing out a few curious mistakes in the show, stop getting triggered by a video

@@FernandoGonzalez-qv9hx Follow your own advice and don't let comments on the Internet trigger *YOU.* 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@alainchristian Stop getting triggered over a video.

yes and she also could have just done that when she didnt feel like playing in gym or something

>The Office >Consistent I like the show but that's delusional

@@armintargaryen9216 Yup, at the time of this comment I had only watched it once, but after binge watching it several times I've noted the inconsistency of some characters. Still an awesome show.

But if she didn't like volleyball to the point where she would pretend to PMS in order to avoid playing it, why would she spend Junior High, High school, college, and most summers playing it? And she seemed pretty proud of herself while saying that, too. Even if she had to play in school, she wasn't forced to play in the summer, and she couldn't have PMSd for 10 years.

@@sarahmichelle7682 she likes the sport but hates practice

@@sarahmichelle7682 you answered your own question she wasn't being forced to play on a team shoes was being forced to do it in a class with people who aren't on her team at the drop of a hat and she may have been forced into it when she was in Middle School

I wouldnt spend 10 years on a sport i didnt like playing

Even if you love a sport and do it all the time it could seem like work. So like work maybe she would get out of it sometimes being lazy.

That’s how most docs are filmed. It’s not that hard to not point a camera at another

@@haydentronnes9539 There's that house party episode where Jim and Pam go to Michael's condo. They all walk into the bedroom and you can clearly see no other crew in the room, then it cuts to an angle where there wasn't anyone

Chase Geller that always got on my nerves

Actually, seeing other camera people definitely would have bothered me more. I like that they rarely acknowledge the camera crew so I forgot that they’re there and get immersed into the office and show.

Good one

He could've just been lying then. Not necessarily a plot hole.

It's also possible his brother used to be a girl! I mean, Josh Groban could definitely used to be female by his looks.

He's saying that so no one thinks he owns a skirt. How do you not get that?

@@jtm232556 The problem with people just saying stuff and it being unclear as being real or just to get out of something is that as a viewer we don't really know. For example, in the early season Seinfeld George says he has a sister and even Elaine at some point talks about a sibling. We never see them and they are never mentioned again. Because of that one could assume that they just don't talk to their sibling or the writers just said "nah, fuck it, he/she doesn't have a sister/brother, forget about it." The problem with Andy is that we do see his brother(season 8, mind you) and his family structure throughout the series(even if the parents change actors) So, it leads to the question if it's a joke to save himself the embarrassment of saying he owns a kilt NOT A SKIRT because of his sister's wardrobe or if it's simply the writers wrote that in and then later forgot or just dismissed it. So, with that out of the way, why is it SO obvious that he's lying?

Exactly. The joke was exactly that he was calling non-Cindy Cindy. Really ruined the credibility of the video for me that they don't understand some major plot points lol

I think propecia he mentions it in an ep

They made his hair look bad in season 1 because they wanted people to hate the manager but that didn’t happen

I think Pam mentions throughout the show that she's always been a receptionist, thats why she was so excited about being a salesman/office administrator

Tlm?

@@payge6487 lol. I haven't seen the show in a while, but I think I was referring to Threat Level Midnight.

omg yeees

They recorded and saw their scenes but the only one making the movie was Michael. It was their first time seeing the actual complete movie

That's not really a plot hole, though. She stayed on with the Sabre stores and with Packer in season 8 and got fired for being part of the Sabre Store debacle.

Forgot about Kathy. She was definitely the worst character on the show. Even worse then Packle

i played football (soccer for americans) for a team but HATED pe football classes because everybody else was so less experienced than me. So i tried to avoid every single pe class until i graduated university.

I read “do p.e” as dope lol Sometimes, you just wanna do dope

Didn't he say in the a later episode that he backed out of the deal?

John Walker yes I remembered like right after I commented that that he tried to sell his condo on eBay and he "backed out" of the deal

Well done, I believe it

And a sister

The mom's names doesn't change