The Oldest Halo Theory HAS FINALLY BEEN SOLVED 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! compare the runes at the time stamp 16:50 with the runes in halo sandtrap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

343 is not retelling marathons lore lmfaoo

VEEERRRRY COOOOOL

On a cannon level, even setting aside bungie not owning halo anymore, im not convinced halo fits into the cannon connections. That being said, the meta theory I totaly buy, and its not just some run of the mill fan theory, its a love letter from old school bungie and is legit one of the most wholesome things I have ever seen a dev do.

This video is almost perfect. You did almost exactly what i was about to do. It's not a coincidence i changed my name to wave of destiny. The Bungieverse is not only absolutely real, but it's one of the best narratives and philosophies in fiction ever to me. The feeling that hit me when i realized that i was fighting the same Darkness in Destiny that i was fighting and was scared by as a child when they were named the Flood, the same enemy that my father fought in Marathon, impersonating the same hero that is able to write his own fate, to change his own destiny, was literally impossible to describe, a sense being exactly where you are supposed to be, growing up with Bungie and being in a new chapter of your own life, fighting what previously made you scared as an adult. It speaks to my soul and my entire life so much that i actually cried during the end of this video. Bungie, their games and philosophy, are such a big part of my soul that part of the reason i am who i am now as a person is because of them. I can literally psychoanalyze myself and find out that many parts of me, what i like, what i desire, how i play, how i act, are connected to elements of their work, it almost feels like they are my third parent. Idk if you know about them, but the connections you mentioned between these games are only the tip of the iceberg honestly. The Bungieverse permeates almost every aspect of the games in a fundamental way, even the main plots of the games feel like simply rivers that flow into the drains that are drawn by the verse. In fact this very thing is the entire plot of Destiny right now, as the Witness aims to combine the light and dark to see and control these rivers, these timelines, and stop the guardians from guiding them into what he calls chaos. The Witness wants to be the new Destiny, a being able to alter timelines and their flow so that they follow a rigid and predictable direction known as the final shape, pretty much destroying life in the process. Even Halo 3 follows this narrative almost completely, Halo 3 literally starts with Cortana saying that Chief is the chosen one, because he is lucky. Halo 3's protagonist is not chief, as a person, but it's literally Destiny. Tons of other connections all around the place like the Flood and the Darkness wanting the same thing, having the same propieties, the same powers (down to the flood having ontological powers that can alter the laws of phisics and turning the universe against its enemies, having an hive mind, the ability to take, the ability to remember what previous graveminds experience throught time and space, the ability to see in the unseen, the finality of death and eternity) and they even literally have the same quotes: the flood: "do not fear, i am peace, i am salvation" the darkness: "we are not enemies, we are not friends, we are salvation". Not to mention the flood infection forms always have 3 red tendrils they probably use to see, just like the hive worms in destiny always have 3 eyes. How about connecting the Traveller to the Halo rings? Both are round, both are technology, both personify the concept of the cycle of death and rebirth, both focus on making whoever uses their power forget who they are (the halos wiped the species and replanted their seeds, erasing every memory of what your species did in the past, the traveller requires you to die and resurrects you without any memory, which is a direct contrast of the Darkness and the flood, which aim at eternal life and eternal death, and grants you the power to remember things even past the laws of physics). Not to mention the fact that Marathon lore almost perfectly describes the concept of dark and the Winnower as the lore of Destiny does, including the element of the garden of creation. How about we add the fact that there are characters in Destiny who break the 4th wall and known they are withing a game and that the Guardian is contolled by something outside their existance like a puppet with strings? How about the activity dares of eternity in Destiny, which came out in Bungie's 30th anniversary, canonically giving to the guardian guns and armor that come from different universes, which are literally guns and armor from Halo, Marathon and Mith? With the character saying that "they belong to their original owner"? If i point out any other connection i might hit the character limit for youtube comments.

Or maybe he has forerunner technology stuffed into his gut

I think about that while I’m playing, every time he dies is just another possible chief that didn’t make it. Only the story in which he succeeds is the one that moves forward

its all a diffrent univers when he fails

Mf got Return by Death from Re:Zero just because we control him.

Well, yeah Though given Halo's specific themes it's presented as more of a divine providence thing

But that’s just a theory…A GAME THEORY!!!!

@@user-ib6cf8kg4l As retribution for quoting Matpat in my presence, I will find where you live and force you to watch in helpless terror as I construct the most vile and horrifying Subway sandwich ever conceived Be afraid

as am I :)

​@@HiddenXperiaI saw the trailer and immediately knew the flood stuff would hook you

Same bro

Wait what are we on about, is it a new book or something?

​@@Maysy787leaving a comment so I can know as well when it's said

Considering how incompetent most characters in Destiny are, I wouldn't be surprised if the "Primitive AI" outsmarted them.

"I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain." Ugh...@@tomtheconqerur

@@AndyTolly123 yeah that's never ok. That is essentially the same thing that Ubisoft did and people roasted them for it.

They went woke

Totally think Bungie is still built of of that same back bone/structure. Destiny is going strong whether people agree or disagree. They still know how to make a game fun and have good stories/lore

​@@grizzlybehr1902*Destiny has been vaulted whether you agree or disagree. There's a reason no one talks about Destiny enemies and characters nearly as much as anything from Halo

​@@Espartanicawait people talk about destiny

The Forerunner catalyst storyline was amazing

those are just easter eggs, fun little gags that bungie likes to do where their games are referenced and enjoyed by many. that doesnt mean they are linked.

It doesn't fucking matter what it implies, that is literally obviously not true Your 10th grade English teacher wants to remind you about the "death of the author" class you apparently skipped

@@davemccombs cope

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Or getting your wallet sucked dry by nuBungie's overenthusiasm towards microtransactions while they focus solely on character emotion lore rather than the deeper, more complex ideas and topics of the setting. I've become very well acquainted with Destiny and its lore, and watched the clear change in direction when they dropped the cosmic scale and mystery and zoomed in to the writers' favorite characters to project emotions into while ignoring the grander setting. Current day Bungie is on par with pre-Pierre Hientz 343i in many, many ways.

THIS

its 100% marathon only in name and jangling keys for nostalgia

@@trashjash Super accurate bro. They better cut the bullshit with final shape so we can at least get one last decent release.

@@trashjashyes brother, destiny 1 seemed to have so much lore potential and they just fumbled the bag crazy, destiny 2 story seems like kiddy bs how it focuses on certain characters way more than anything else and characters are important but its too much

I was about to bring up Elric. It's very obvious from Crow's story and references like the Dreaming City in Destiny 2 that Bungie is absolutely a fan of Moorcock. Crow was the closest thing to a main protagonist that Destiny had for a while and every time they focus on him it gives off major Elric vibes

Is there any particular place I ought to start? Which story connects them? Tried reading Elric of Melribone.

The next could be 117 or 343.

I wouldn’t blame you destiny lore is one hell of a rabbit hole

​@@yoshigaming9321especially hive lore

@CadentClock39 In your profile picture, Sonic’s arms are tan, but his arms should be blue. Change it immediately or I will contact my uncle who works at SEGA.

You're correct. It was a newborn ogre that Oryx offers as a vessel for the darkness. Although that might've been the witness

Nah, you're right. It was Golgoroth who was the vessel that Oryx made and shows up as a boss in the King's Fall raid. I don't think they've ever explained how Oryx sired Crota. He's just been said that Crota was Oryx's son.

And the shotgun from Marathon

@@durandol As well as the sword from Myth.

In addition, theres a master chief reference in Destiny: The Taken King, while not an official connection, it is a heavily implied link.

Which... isn't how this stuff works. That just means Bungie's Halo is canonical within Bungie's universe, but you don't get to say that someone else's creative works exist parallel to your own. Otherwise I'd just say that The Lord of The Rings and Dune are both canonically parts of my own sci-fi-fantasy universe, essentially claiming credit for them.

@@thisplatformsucks True. But since Halo is a BUNGIE creation, it's there way of saying it's within their connected universe without getting sued by Microsoft or 343i for it. But considering most people from 343i are massive Bungie Era Halo fans (at least as of now they are since the old leadership refused to hire Bungie Era Halo fans) they probably wouldn't sue. Microsoft tho would.

Or Joy for short. Rolls of the tongue better

Joyeuse was an AI that was central to Rasputin's story before destiny's original story got scrapped. The other AI that was scrapped was Charlemagne which eventually came back into the story.

Yep, I've been saying this as well... although at the same time, I feel like that's _Bungie's_ thing rather than Halo's thing because of the Marathon connection and 343 using the name would be sort of presumptuous.

I really hope they do. 343 isn't Bungie, but 343 carries on that bit of Bungie's legacy - its only right to continue the plan, if in their own way.

as cool as it'd be, i think there's a high chance that the weapon named herself cortana

I think you're on about Double Aught who were founded by Greg Kirkpatrick and some of the OG Marathon devs who helped on it

Martin O’Donnell is the song of halo

Bungie loves 7 in general. It's not just an Halo thing it's literally everywhere in their games. You can look under a gun in Destiny in the inspection menu to find 7 lol

Yeah the old bungie did the new one is slacking

@@pancakewarriors7233 the new one got greedy

Ooh I second this

I think that this ties into Destiny lore better. The gardener and winnower play games in the garden. They fight each other, and they create waves and those waves create stuff. This was partially mentioned in a Marathon lore piece too. They have rules that can change every time. The gardener believes in the light (the Jlaro, the halo rings, the traveller) and the winnower believes the darkness always wins (the w'rkanter, the Flood, the Darkness). Each new game they play, is another franchise for us. Each time the game ends when the universe takes a final shape. So each franchise is in a separate multiverse, but it's connected by the Bungieverse with the same themes, with the similar characters, similar events, similar rules. Just a theory.

The only thing that apparently stopped Bungie from using actual Halo named weapons was that talks with Microsoft broke down over the weapons' usage.

@@ShadowDreamer100 yeah i dont doubt that if Bungie and Microsoft's talks of acquisition hadn't fallen through, the 30th anniversary stuff would 100% just be explicitly named after their Halo counterparts.

Bungie loves 7 in general. It's literally everywhere in their games, not just Halo.

Destiny has characters that know they are in a game and that the Guardian is a puppet with strings controlled by an entity outside of their existance. I think that pieces of lore were given IRL to community members by these characters and maybe others too. I find it intereresting how this narrative almost perfectly fits the Undertale/Deltarune timelines too, even if it doesn't have direct references, the similarities are astonishing, as if the creator is a Bungie fan. Destiny, the player, changing timelines, darkness and light, ancient horrors of dark that consume worlds, games within games within games, puppets with strings, entities that want to become gods by escaping the universe. Bruh i'm headcannoning them togheter

Ilovebees the arg for Halo 2 also contains a reference to the Gherrit White terminal in Marathon 1. Also in Halo 3: Ghost of Onyx its reported that the Covenant were investigating an object in the yucatan penisula which might be a reference to the plot of pathways into darkness and strangely parallels dead space.

@@WaveOfDestiny My favorite parallel is DDLC. Anything and everything relating to this theme is a massive spoiler, but it also deals with peering beyond the fourth wall. The original version is free if you haven't played it

So, what's kinda funny is... Frank O' Connor did that ARG. It was basically his first public-facing roll and the first hints of where he wanted to push the universe. (He went on to do the H3 terminals.)

So you didn't hear any of the video...?

@@RosheenQuynh i did

@@Optican_Medic Then your comment confuses me

@@RosheenQuynh it was funny that xperia wore that hat

@optican_klastorna_kalcia I mean, it was but laughing for the _entire_ length of the video? Bruh

Installation 00 have already stated that a Spartan 2 have a "service life" of 250 years roughly. That doesn't cover the entirety of Spartan 2 life. So we can think that a Spartan 2 or an Homo Augeos can at least live for 400-450 maybe even 500 years that for a Homo Sapiens would be like 95-100 years? Roughly. That's absurd. If you also think that they can "rest" in hypersleep for lots of years... well, MC could possibly become immortal.

You're gonna be real dissapointed when you see the Marathon symbol is literally a part of the Halo CE logo and was on the box.

@@LedZedd Again. I can't really deny the intent there. I just don't care for it on a personal level. I prefer to think of stuff like the Marathon references and 7 references as just easter eggs rather than some fundamental canonical metacommentary thing.

@@Dryym Cope

He was talking with noble 6 in his cave🍷🗿

VisibleXperia has returned

​@@HiddenXperia😂😂😂

@@HiddenXperia How was it with 6? Did you order some moa burgers?

Dry. Very dry.

Feel shame.

Theres also a heavy link between destiny and halo with the master chief (unofficially) but literally being in destiny: the taken king expansion.

Yupppp. The dreaming God could definitely be an alias for The Final Shape

Also a parallel with the Ur-Didact's cryptum in Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy

What is Gnop, human?

@@keaganwheeler-mccann8565gnop is the greatest mystery of our day, an enigma wrapped in layers of metaphors and metaphysics shrouded in darkness that when read backwards spells pong

It's not references and fun, it's canonical, Bungie confirmed Marathon and Halo's protagonists are reincarnations of each other.

The problem with trying to dive into Destiny lore is that it's a very deep rabbit hole to go into and there's been so many retcons that unless you spend an inordinate amount of time catching up to the recent stuff before you even put out the first video you're bound to get some things wrong if you try and start from the beggining.

@@dalektrekkie facts