The One Battleship Shot that Prevented America's Massive Defeat 

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Considering that Admiral Lee was a descendant of Confederate General Robert E. Lee -- the traitor -- it was Admiral Lee that restored honor to the family name.

I remember reading that the men of the Washington reported afterwards there was no stress, no sense of urgency...just another day at the office. That's how well they were trained and how well they were led. Just swatting a fly.

Nice

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She is my favorite battleship.

And the only battleship to sink another battleship in all of WW2 - on all sides, if I'm not mistaken.

@@DarryllC Nope. Japanise Battleship Yamashiro, was sunk by West Virginia, California, Tennessee, and Maryland all Battleships that were at Pearl Harbor and sunk or heavily damaged. West Virginia sunk and more heavily damaged got to war only in 44 but with the most modern radar firing control got the most hits in. Bizmark was sunk by British BB Rodney and King George V with help of Cruisers and DD. Running out of time I think maybe British sinking Italian not certain. But Washington the only Batleship to win a one on one battle and although the Washington the superior ship the Kirishima actually had the advantage of firing first in the fight and although it's shells would have had trouble doing serious damage to the Washington with Washington level gunnery could have hurt it a lot more than the little it did. And although Washington did have the radar fire control advantage the Kirishima firing first shows it could see the Washington well enough to range it well assuming it's crews were elite like the Washington. I blame both Japanese pre war and war ammo shortages for less practice and simple incompetence of a Navy which often seamed more invested in it's conflict with the Army than fighting a war. The timid nature of the Japanese especially with their BB fleet until way too late shows it's incompetence. The Washington should have been facing the Yamato in the fight not the converted to BB from BC WWI Kirishima. Not to mention the BB should have lead the attack on land targets at Midway not wait till the Carriers had made it safe for them to approach and bomb the field first. And as the US had only one functioning Carrier end of first day no reason I can think of for Japanese fleet not to stay and take Midway. Maybe they lose a BB instead of a Cruiser maybe even two BB but they still take the island Carriers just did not have that much in way of bombs and fuel. Plus the Japanese still had two light carriers in the area. Fun of speculation. No matter what Japanese win all the battles even take Hawaii the 44/45 US Armada going to crush Japan utterly no matter what they do.

@@RedRocket4000 You are correct, Washington claims the only one on one, battleship to battleship victory. It is inconceivable to me that it was scrapped. What a symbol of American power and freedom.

Suddenly? USMC hasn't forgotten her. Nor any of the others that covered their asses and got them INTO the fight!

She was Philadelphia Navy Yard built.

Some people must listen to TFE...

He also accidentally sank USS Preston. South Dakota confirmed that Washington sank Preston with her 16" guns. In SD's action report they reported that Preston was fatally crippled and sunk from her port side by 16" guns from a battleship...problem was Kirishima was not on Preston's port side. Could you imaginn if South Dakota had accidentally sunk Preston? We would never hear the end of it. But because Lee did it we aren't supposed to talk about it ever. Washington blacked out all gunfire reports at the exact same time that South Dakota reported that Preston was hit on her port side (and she sank immediately after this barrage of shellfire).

​@@user-wl9ps6pe1j : It ain't a war crime the first time!

*"Ching". (His nickname).

​@@nogoodnameleft That's not true. First, the destroyers were in front of the battleships, not to their starboard (right) side. Second, it was pitch black, no moon during these fights. How could they see the damage? Up close, a 14" and 16" shell can go through anything! The destroyers were already sinking when Washington turned to port to avoid the wreckage and survivors in the water. Sodak should have followed her, but turned to starboard. This took her straight into the Japanese fleet! This later led to these rumors that Washington had abandoned Sodak, and the sinking of the Preston. Preston's crew said otherwise! So did the crew of the Japanese light cruiser Nagara; who sank Preston. I'm a Navy Vet myself. I love both these great ships, and have tremendous respect for their captains and crews. But Captain Gatch should have quashed these rumors immediately, not fed them. Wars are difficult enough without the blame game! Had Gatch followed the flagship, as he was supposed to, most of what happened next could have been avoided. The pivotal moment was that turn! It was Gatch himself that gave the order to turn. He is responsible. While there never was a court martial case, Gatch was relieved after the ship returned to the States. (The Navy didn't need this scandal in the middle of a war.) To my knowledge, he never held a Sea going command again.

The father of a friend of mine back in Alaska - direct Daniel Boone descendants - was a gun turret captain on the USS San Francisco in the 2 night prior 1st Naval Battle of Guadalcanal when it was so severely mauled by Japanese battleships Hiei (then sunk) and Kirishima that both Admiral Callaghan (who should not have been in command) and the captain were killed. He wasn't the gunnery officer, so it wasn't his fault SF fired on Atlanta, killing Cape Esperance victor Admiral Scott who *should* have been in command.

I would have enjoyed hearing him tell the story. I live in Washington state. I plan on visiting Wilmington to see the North Carolina. I gat to see the U.S.S. Texas a few years ago while she was in Houston getting some much needed repair work done.

"Mauled"..... LOL.. that is being rather polite about it.

@@TrueSonOfOdin I had a great uncle aboard 'Frisco from the Fall of '41 to the end of the War. He was an Aviation Ordinance P.O.; putting bombs on her Kingfisher scout planes for anti sub patrols. All he said about the Friday the 13th battle was _"All my friends got killed."_ One of the Japanese battleships put a 14" HE shell into the hanger! My great uncle was wounded, but all the others were killed. My cousin has his purple heart, and other medals. He talked about the Cape Esperance battle of 12 October '42, but not the 13 November fight. After he said that, I stopped pushing him for details. He died in '96. He didn't like talking about Pearl Harbor either, but would talk about the Lexington's Raid against Rabaul in early '42. (January or February, I don't remember exactly.) This is when Butch O'Hare shot down 5 "Bettys" in four minutes. Which won him the CMoH. Though the raid was aborted, it raised everyone's morale; just to be taking the fight to the enemy.

Fellow TARHEEL here. Yeah, I grew up close to 'The Showboat'. NEVER missed a chance to go see the 'ol girl when I was in town. I live literally half way around the world these days in the Philippines but whenever I do get back home, Yeah, I go see the old girl and give her a pat on the 'ol... stern, for good measure while I'm there. Did just that this past summer.

When he was a ship's gunnery officer, the gun crews vastly improved. He was an engineer. He was, at first, called "Chink" because of his yellowish skin.

Still Washington's guns doing the work, but Adm. Lee certainly made her much more dangerous. I wish he'd been around for some of the other night battles around the Solomons. Maybe we wouldn't have lost as many ships since he unlike the commanders that were present actually trusted the radar systems...

Admiral Ching Lee. Good Ole sharpshooter and gold medalist with glasses 1/2 inch thick.

Man, Machine, Moment meeting together perfectly.

@@imapopo2924 If Scott had been in charge at 1st naval Battle of Guadalcanal a few days earlier, he probably would have done better having learned the ability of RADAR the hard way. Instead Callahan, who had longer time in rank but no battle experience compared to Scott was in command and left the radar ships at the back of the formation and didn't even understand battle was underway when his subordinate captains started opening fire on the Japanese. Even though our torpedoes were not that great, if they were fired at too close a range wouldn't have time to arm at all.

If Washington hadn't pulled off one of the greatest miracles of WWII South Dakota would have been sunk and Washington would have likely been heavily damaged and probably sunk and this would have been after the disastrous Friday the 13th battle which was for all intents and purposes a DEFEAT for Admiral Callaghan's force and only retconned into a so-called "victory" thanks to USS Washington. How did not a single Japanese torpedo hit Washington? That was a miracle from God, not just good commanding by Admiral Lee. The sailors on Washington were shocked and til the end of their lives always thought it was a miracle that she was not hit by a single shell or torpedo, the total opposite of the 3 sunken destroyers and the beat up South Dakota. One more thing. The U.S. government and Navy decided on a cover story that South Dakota won the battle pretty much by herself because she limped back to port for repairs due to the battle and that way they could trick the Japanese that it was a "one-on-one" fair gun battle between two battleships when it was really radar-guided shelling from Washington that won it. The radar-guided guns were a secret and not disclosed until the end of the war. South Dakota and Washington crews hated each other for the rest of the war because South Dakota was ordered by Nimitz and King to steal Washington's valor. They would fight each other in fistfights and it got out of control when the crews met each other on the seas or in port.

He also studied radar, and "knew it better than the operators"! He was a crack rifle shot, and won Olympic medals for his skills. He knew the 16" guns, and understood them as well as their gunners! In short, he was the perfect man to command America's Battleships.

@@user-pb2vo4pt3t He treated 16" guns as being a really big sniper rifle.

@@RedXlV Yes, he did! He knew the ballistics of them, and knew radar "better than the operators did". Lee put 2 and 2 together, and showed everyone how radar directed gunfire worked. Lee was absolutely brilliant! He won several Olympic gold medals for rifle and pistol shooting! He knew exactly how those 16" shells would fall, and proved it in the action against Kirishima; walking shells back and forth over her, scoring twenty direct hits (Kirishima's damage control officer's report), and gutting her. She foundered as the crew abandoned ship; almost swamping a destroyer when she rolled over! Norm Scott had learned this lesson after the 12 October 1942 fight. But Callaghan didn't understand radar at all. He had been Ghormley's Chief of Staff, had zero combat experience, but he had been promoted to rear admiral a bit before Scott. When Halsey took command, he sent Callaghan to sea knowing nothing about him. Had Scott been left in command of that cruiser force, the 13 November battle would have been different. Callaghan went into the battle without meeting with his ship captains, and a vague, rudimentary plan of action. It would have been better if Halsey had sent him back to the States.

@@user-pb2vo4pt3t And this was after Scott had proven himself in combat. Halsey is very over rated. IF the US Destroyers had had working torpedoes it would have made a big difference as well. By this time most of the destroyer captains understood that their torpedoes were pretty worthless and did not prioritize use of them

@@gruntforever7437 Agree 100%!

I love history too, but come on be real. This is a dumb take. There's our underfunded ed. system, crumbling infrastructure, massive deficit etc

@perrysmajestic988 None of those have anything to do with what I said. How can a ship like BB-35 be preserved but CV-6 doesn't get the same honor?

It really is a shame. Big E didn't even survive. THE flagship of the US Pacific fleet, from day 1 of WW2 until the very end. And those who cared could only save part of it. AFAIK, They didn't even save the "Enterprise VS Japan" sign. In the star trek universe, Big E was given a 2nd life and a nuclear upgrade, serving up through the 1980s.

She could take bombs, torpedoes, even kamikaze strikes. But not even Enterprise could survive budget cuts.

I think what Perry is trying to say is that it is super expensive to maintain an old ship, and there are more important things our tax dollars need to go towards. Many coastal cities have floating museum ships, you can google them and see how much gets spent keeping them in one piece. They also take up a lot of room. If it makes you feel any better much of the steel gets used to build new ships and other important defense related needs that will be put to task defending our nation instead of rusting in a museum.

He was a badass gunslinger from childhood.

It was a miracle. At one point she was stationary and the Japanese shot 15 torpedoes at her and for some reason none of them hit. Previously they shot torpedoes at Lee's 4 escorting U.S. destroyers, sinking 3 of them. Lee's whole plan was to sacrifice South Dakota if need be so he could shoot the Japanese. No wonder the South Dakota crew hated Washington and Lee for the rest of WWII. Nimitz and King ordered South Dakota to "steal valor" from Washington when SD limped back to port in the USA because the media and locals reported the heavy damage she received at Guadalcanal. Washington was not allowed to take credit until almost the end of WWII because they didn't want the Japanese to learn that Washington sank so many ships with radar-guided shelling and it wasn't just some battle of attrition between South Dakota and Kirishima. This whole soap opera caused a bunch of brawls between the crews of WA and SD for the next 3 years or so. Also, another interesting chapter in the soap opera was during the battle Washington most likely accidentally sank the destroyer USS Preston. Preston was hit by numerous 16" shells on her port side which fatally doomed her to sink...but there were no Japanese ships on her port side and South Dakota was also not on her port side. South Dakota saw everything that happened though and her crewmen and officers reported that Washington heavily damaged and possibly even sank Preston. Washington's records interestingly blacked out gun firing records during the same exact time that South Dakota recorded that Washington sank Preston from the port side.

The gun crew has nothing to do with accuracy. It’s the fire control center

@@spikenomoon yes OK, but the gun crew were part of the system they needed to load the shells fast. The point I was trying to make is that Lee made sure his battleship was a very accurate machine.

@@fredturk6447 indeed he was. Many heroic nobodies are over looked when bravery medal are given.

USS Preston never had a chance too. She was sunk by USS Washington from Preston's port side, as confirmed by USS South Dakota. Lee's whole plan was to sacrifice South Dakota as cannon fodder. He knew that SD was moderately damaged by two aerial bombs at Santa Cruz Islands and was even rammed by a friendly warship within 3 weeks of the November surface battles. I don't blame the SD crew for getting angry at Washington for the rest of WWII and the rest of their lives. I don't get why we aren't allowed to criticize Lee for sinking Preston. Imagine if SD had accidentally sunk Preston. We would never hear the end of it, wouldn't we?

Washington hit Preston with her 5 inch guns not the 16 inch guns as Preston was to close for the 16 inch guns to even fire at! the hits from Washington did not sink Preston she had already received fatal damage from Nagara. (but who cares about fact) and since you want to criticize lee why have you not mentioned the fact that south dakota steamed through the middle of Preston's crew while the were in the water? @@nogoodnameleft

​@@nogoodnameleft​ They weren't allowed to criticize because of propaganda/moral issues, Remember there hadn't been any good news at that point. Also, Lee may have stuffed up with the Preston but he didn't hold off from defending SD. He had those big guns lined up on the Jap but didn't fire because he didn't know if it was the SD or not (no coms remember) and as soon as the Jap did something, put a search light i think, on SD Lee opened up, also he didn't miss. First salvo's very, very rarely actually hit in those days but Lee's rarely missed. Apart from that Lee probably saved numerous other ships from aircraft attacks when he worked out faults with the new radar triggered shells, and also engineered loading up every available space on US capital ships with guns that could actually reach the heights aircraft attack from. That big black cloud that appeared,especially over US aircraft carriers, when they were attacked, was just about totally attributable to Lee.

@@ryanstuckey8677 I'm not sure if the 5 in guns would have depressed that low as Washington had to veer to the left to avoid running through the sinking destroyers.

@@nogoodnameleft total BS .. Washington had a officer on top level of superstructure visually watching the whole battle could see any problems . , & the Washington threw over the side liferafts for the DD's survivors ,while S.D. ran right thru them .

the Ballroom brawl was 2 nights earlier , Nov 12-13 shooting at each at point blank range .Lee wouldn't allow the Nov 14-15 battle to become a fiasco .

Indeed.

And from the UK, HMS Warspite

As well as the USS SARATOGA

When the Enterprise and Washington were scared, it was the late 1950s and the US had entered its worse recession between the Great Depression and the 1981 Recession . Congress was in a balance budget mood, thus things had to be cut. For example the US effort to eliminate syphilis was zero budgeted and Syphilis rates skyrocketed. Other domestic projects were eliminated or spending on them was reduced. That recession also killed Ford's Edsel, wrong car type to introduce in a recession. Thus the problem with saving these two ships was there was no money to do so (and the US Navy was counting on the price of scrap from both ships to pay to maintain the rest of the fleet).

@paulmentzer7658 Still would've been nice to have still to have them around to inspire the younger generation.

Bismark rudder was hit by a torpedo. I thought the narative here was that a 16-inch shell hit Kirishima's rudder.

Same battle. I thought he signaled it though

Yes, it was a signal to patrolling PT boats.

Lee was supposed to take orders from an Australian or British admiral that commanded a small fleet of Aussie, Brit and Dutch vessels. He was aware of the larger IJN fleet coming down so had issued orders not to engage them. Lee had trained his and the cruiser gun crews to fire as fast as possible while scoring hits using radar fire control so was anxious to take on the IJN. USS Washington led their battle line so was challenged by PT boats with orders to turn back. Washington signaled back "This is Ching Lee. We're going thru."

Lee was under Halsey's orders Commander S.Pacific only ,not a Australian Or British Admiral .@@billwilson-es5yn

@@billwilson-es5yn Lee was under orders from Halsey ComSo.Pac ,not British or Australian Admirals.

It didn’t blow the bow off; it was a big hole though.

Washington also ended USS Preston's whole career. Look up "Washington struck USS Preston's port side with 16 inch guns", as reported by South Dakota. Washington interestingly blacked out all gun firing records during the exact time that South Dakota recorded that Preston was hit on her port side by battleship primary guns...but Kirishima and South Dakota were not on Preston's port side.

@@nogoodnameleft Physics doesn't fit. Washington was behind Preston and swung to the port side AFTER she was hit and sinking. Read real information and realize that she could not have hit a ship in the port side when behind her.

@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Incorrect. Washington sank Preston. Just because South Dakota said that doesn't mean we should discount their official report. Strange how you don't want to talk about the fact that the same time that South Dakota said that Washington hit Preston that Washington blacked out those minutes from their after action report and battle logs. If SD had been the one sinking Preston you and all the Washington simps would be whining about SD, wouldn't you?

@@nogoodnameleft u believe a lying Capt about the battle your a joke ,Who won the Battle !!!!!!!!!!

Kirishima had just enough armor to guarantee Washington's shells blew up inside her! Gutting her! One of her survivors reported multiple holes in her topside deck over ten meters (33 ft!) in diameter! Those 16" shells were six feet tall, and weighed over 2700 pounds each!

I've have heard somewhere that one 16" rd penetrated the armor belt below the waterline on one side , continued completely thru machinery and bulkheads, hit and penetrated the armor belt opposite side and continued on thru the water for about 40ft before it finally exploded. Don't know where I read that, maybe true, maybe not. But if it did think of the kenitic energy behind that round !

Even before she returned stateside, the South Dakota's crew was spreading this rumor, and that Washington sank Preston. These were FALSE! Washington's crew was rightfully offended. The results were so bad, Lee ordered the crews to alternate days of shore leave ("liberty"). Some of Sodak's crew swore if they would fire on Washington the next time they put to sea! Lee had to intervene personally! The ships were never paired together again. It's sad. I love both these great ships. I have nothing but respect for those men who served on them. But what followed after the battle never should have happened! Captain Gatch should have quashed these rumors immediately, not fed them. I have great respect for him, but this remains a stain on his record.

and S.D.;s Captain goes back to NYC for repairs & claimed that they won the battle singlehandledly read Old Nameless Battleship X full of Lies ,no wonder the other ships in the fleet hated the S.D. @@user-pb2vo4pt3t

@@user-pb2vo4pt3t Gatch was a lawyer not a sea Captain T boned a whale ran aground hit by bomb nearly died rammed DD Mahan set planes on fire at Guadalcanal turned wrong way got lit up by Japanese searchlights , that Washington would shoot out while S.D.was lost power to radio ,radar Flagplot , guns taking 27 hits & on fire taking casualties she just left the action ,while Washington turned NW to hold off the Japanese transports ,making them chase after her instead of S.D. &DD's .

@@glennwinter2197 Exactly! I double checked after my previous post, and I was right; Gatch never held a Sea Command again. He stayed stateside and ashore for the rest of his career.

I've always thought this was the best part of the story! The Shitty Dick and her crew were falsely given credit for something they never did, while Washington and her crew knew the truth!

Because it doesn’t portray America as racists

Maybe if the Navy had put her in Seattle or the Great Shipyard over in Bremerton instead of the USS Missouri (which had been mothballed and open for tours starting in 1955) the USS Washington would have been more eagerly taken in and made a museum when stricken from the register in 1960.

There is a monument to South Dakota in Sioux Falls. It's an outline of the ship with some of the memorabilia plus photos and the like. Nobody is bringing a battleship up the Missouri and Big Sioux rivers so having it anchored there was obviously not possible. So perhaps this is the next best thing for a poor state.

@@richardweil8813 the poor state that gave us the Livermore bros and Merle Tuve? And they came from Canton, SD! USS Washington was built in Philly, but her commander at Savo was from Kentucky. USS Johnston was probably the most famous ship built here in Seattle, but her skipper was from Oklahoma- Cmdr Ernest Evans. If ever a piece of the Johnston is ever recovered maybe it should be kept in his birthplace of Pawnee, OK.

Unrealistic

The 1965 Film "In Harm's Way" more or less represents the naval battles of Guadalcanal.

Probably a matter of who will fund it

@@JohnnoHald The Chinese funded 80% of the recent "Midway" movie, which was horrible. They didn't want to mention USS Hornet's (and Mark Mitscher's) disastrous "Flight to Nowhere" and didn't want to show how Lexington and Yorktown were hit during carrier battles...but they sure loved to show how the 4 Japanese carriers were hit and then sunk in the film though. Pathetic propaganda garbage movie.

They would also cack it up like they did Midway

Also Drachinifel-

If anyone wants any proper information,he/she would not be watching videos on this channel :D

@@NashmanNash this channel gives in-depth information about the ship, the lead up to the incident and the actions. Did you know that Admiral Lee was an Olympic gold medalist in rifle long distance shooting and pistol shooting. The navy did not accept him due to poor eyesight but after Pearl Harbor, he was accepted.

@@jacobpunke1269 I knew about Lees rifle skills,the fact that he lured snipers out by playing life bait,and the navy accepted him from the beginning because he simply lied about his eyesight

@@jacobpunke1269 You know,there are people who take the time to watch videos from channels that actually bother with research,instead of useless clickbait

Still waiting for a movie on PQ 17.

the escorting ships of the convoy were ordered away from uboat &luftwaffe area ,by British Admiral Pound .

I guess the Admiral boarded in a hurry and accidentally left his sea legs on the dock. Whoopsie!

Just read a short US Naval Institute article on the event. Several people said that before disappearing he seemed "pale and confused". It is possible he was ill, having a heart attack, or some other serious condition. The interesting thing is after a man was spotted (and lost) in the water two head counts of the crew were done and nobody on board was missing. The report was taken to the admiral...who wasn't there! The Navy determined there was no negligence.

@@richardweil8813 a wave might of got him or jumped ? in stormy seas .

No. Thanks to their very superior night optics, night battle doctrine and preparation, and night training&experience, the Japanese were quite deadly at night from the very start of the war. But yes, for us, our radar eventually more than caught up with them, at night.

My uncle Irving Corrigan was a Marine "island hopper". All over the Pacific, including Guadalcanal, until the very end of the war. So many brave men.

I was literally just going to say that. I've been noticing that happening a lot. Someone will put out a vid on a certain ship or battle, then I'll see it everywhere.

drachinfel did a vid long before fat electrician, but both were very good

I watch him as much as possible! And the Habitual Linecrosser also.

Naah. I'm more of a Yarnhub guy.

Nah, Russia's decoration of war Is what prevented it

​@@picturemetrollin2093Russia declared war on Japan after the a-bomb was dropped!

The war was over! Japan had no way to defeat the US. It's naval fleet was all but destroyed, the fact that they had to resort to kamikaze is a great indicator that they were on their last leg. The only thing that the a-bom did was hastrn the end

Y'all suck at spelling

@@picturemetrollin2093 you mean just like interior decoration there is a decoration of war?

Only up through his Lieutenantcy. The promotions were also backdated to when they would otherwise have been granted with the appropriate back pay.

16 inch diameter barrel bore times 45 is the barrel length....720 inches or 60 foot barrel length for the main guns, 5 inch diameter shell with a barrel length of 38 calibers....5''x38'' or 15.83 foot barrel length.

That's what I thought, too. It looked like everything went wrong up to Midway. But we didn't lose the Wasp and Hornet till after.

I see a similar story unfolding today. Except we're the Japanese this time.

@@shelliecarlson7015 The Guadalcanal Campaign started in August, 3 months after Midway. Perhaps if Congress had given more money to the Navy to conduct training, night fighting might have been a better skill set. At the time the only two navies capable of conducting night fighting effectively were the British Royal Navy (Night flight ops as well as surface actions) and the Imperial Japanese Navy. The US also had a bit of a condescending view towards the Japanese that cost over 5,000 sailors their lives during the 6 months of the Guadalcanal campaign in several night actions led by incompetent admirals. The good thing that came from this was the incompetent US admirals were either dead or beached. Of course several good captains and other junior officers and at least one admiral who was learning his trade were killed.

There were five Sullivan brothers on USS Juneau. Several sets of brothers died on USS Arizona, as well. It became a policy not to have brothers on the same ship.

@@jaybee9269 Thank you, I remember watching the movie made about them when I was a little kid & how sad I was. Don't know how I thought it was 7.

Through a lot of luck and a bit of skill Captain Glenn Davis kept Washington from being hit. Luckily the Japanese didn't fire any torpedoes at the sitting duck SoDak. It is believed the torpedoes detonated in Washington's wake.

Indeed, well spotted at 5:25 - the previous KGV was scrapped 16 year before the incident described, poor research for appropriate images.

@@maconescotland8996 Not everyone is a conscientious as either Drachinifel or Dr. Clarcke.

@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Obviously.