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Theres no need for a remake, OuTr HeViN is in the process of becoming a reality and it grows closer to becoming fully functuonal everday even as i type this....
Hopefully Konami is subscribed to your channel and they watch this video. This would be an excellent opportunity to add Skullface into MGS Delta Snake Eater to help flesh out the story/gameplay experience that much more.
I got to meet Keifer Sutherland today! He was promoting his new line of Whisky and signing bottles. He signed my copies of GZ and MGSV! He also signed my whisky bottle as Snake! 😊
Did you have to write such an unnecessary comment? What was the point you're trying to make? Sutherland, at the very least, is Venom Snake. A major part of MGS lore. Please allow people to enjoy experiences, without having to cast a cloud on them.
@@XtremeSuperJason As far as I respect Keifer as Jack Bouer, David, is the person we love and care the most. He's the OG of the series, not some Hollywood star.
Skull Face making an appearance would be one of the coolest small additions to the game's story. Whether it's in a cutscene outright or on a series of tapes.
@@jarlboof I would add cutscenes / codec calls between XOF/Skullface and Major Zero, because they were under his orders (There is also a cassette tape in MGS V with a conversation between Zero and Skullface) and maybe a cutscene showing what code talker was doing. This is only meant for the player to see but Snake remains unaware. The developers could include all of this as a bonus for the second playthrough. This way players could experience the first playthrough the same way as in the original.
I'm imagining an "XOF cleanup" bar that slowly fills as you ruin your sneaking mission and the XOF gradually gets angrier over how much difficult you're making their job 😂
And if they keep to the tone of mgs3 original if you keep Messing up you get anonymous codec calls calling you out from skull face 😂 and zero denies there existence.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Naked Snake never knew of XOFs existence during Operation Snake Eater, only Major Zero. So why would Snake care? Even Skull Face in Phantom Pain remarks how he and XOF had to clean up any trace of Naked Snake, yet Naked Snake got all the recognition and accolades.
There is always risk to that though. A small cutscene, maybe, but more than that adds risk. Fans don't always know what's best for them and that is actually a key belief held by the creator of MGS. A lot of times fans will clamor for something and then they get it only to realize they hate it or "it was done wrong". Millions of people cannot see something the same way so there will always be a large portion that's upset with any bit of fan service. If Skull Face or Code Talker is seen wondering about it'll just seem ridiculous. Make mention of them or maybe have a small cutscene but keep it at that. At that level I'd agree that it would be cool to see them. Any more and you risk hurting the overall product. Remember, loads of Star Wars fans thought that seeing a younger Darth Vader was a level of awesome that couldn't be messed-up. Young Boba Fett, too?! Sign me up! Yeah, no. Most hated it. These things CAN be ruined if done incorrectly, lol.
Yeah, "young" Code Talker. Dude's around 100 years old in MGSV, meaning he would be around 80 during MGS3. Nowhere close to young. But yeah, it would be pretty cool.
@@j4wo055 🤦🏿♂️ your right I didn't think to do the math in my head first with the code talkers age. I would be ok with a cutscene of him studying the ends body and a scene with skull face cleaning up what snake left behind
@@DannyWilliamH It could go one of two ways, depending on how you think about it out-of-universe, and in-universe. In-universe, if we see Skull Face (I frankly couldn't care less about Code Talker), it would mean that he utterly failed at his job. He's the clean-up crew. He and XOF were sent in to make sure that things went as smoothly as possible on both the military and political/diplomatic side of things. Removing bodies, destroying evidence of Big Boss and USA/CIA involvement, and the like. The ONLY way I could imagine seeing him would make sense is if we, as the player, are made to (or decide) to backtrack a significant amount, just in time to catch him and XOF at work. Maybe it results in a short cutscene or a brief battle as we're unsure of exactly who he and his team are (especially considering they'd either be wearing things similar to us, and we're ostensibly solo, or they'd be wearing something totally different than us and the Russians, in which case we'd automatically assume they're enemies). However, I can't imagine anything more than that without opening up a whole can of worms in terms of plot contrivances and gaping chasms. Out-of-universe, the fan service, I feel, could be much more interesting than the examples you gave because video games are inherently interactive, rather than passive pursuits such as watching a movie or TV show. There's a lot more you can do to engage the audience/player with a video game (see my examples above) that not only provide fan service, but also add to the overall narrative of this game, as well as what we've gleaned from playing MGSV nearly a decade ago. While it can certainly go overboard (and Kojima isn't there to rein things in), I don't think it could be significantly bad because we got JUST ENOUGH of Skull Face in MGSV to avoid the pitfalls of a Boba Fett (where we knew next to nothing, so people made grand assumptions about what he'd actually be like) or Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader (where we knew much more, to the point where seeing him as a whining adolescent and teenager was jarring).
Yes I argued this would make sense. Maybe add Skullface / XOF as part of a second playthrough, Code Talker would also be nice. This would be a bit similar to the hospital mission in MGS V that we played twice. Snake didn't notice Skullface / XOF during the mission but that doesn't mean that the player shouldn't notice them. At least Zero must have had codec conversations with Skullface during both operations in MGS 3. If Konami is at least a little bit ambitious with this remake and truly faithful to the story canon that Kojima established then they would implement some of this hopefully with Kojima's nod of approval. I doubt that there will ever be another remake of MGS 3 as big as this one.
I think it would be so awesome if they added Skull Face to the game, in some fashion. I feel like he didn't get the justice he deserved as a villain in TPP, so I think he deserves at least a little screen time. Even just some backstory would be cool, like more detail on how he came to look like that, etc. Also, adding in some Codetalker backstory would be cool, as well.
I would like them to do a bit like Resident Evil 4 (The original not the Remake) , you can see drawings behind the credits of re4 if I remember correctly (Which tells the story a little before RE4) I would like them to do the same but with XOF, make drawings in the credits about them, see them clear an area, hide far behind snake (I don't know if what I said is understandable but I did my best)
I love to see additional story of characters that we know. But konami already said that they are not changing the story. This will not change the story to be honest it just add more story of a character we know. So yes I love to see Skull Face in Delta Snake Eater. All the games are out now so they can arrange the story a bit to make it more interesting.
Have Xof in your periferiol vision when you are going through, barely seen, unable to be fully observed, and they leave when you turn to look in their direction, it won't change the story, just add nods to how they are your cleanup crew
@@Definitly-not-OmegonSnake would call Zero and ask, “Major, there men apparently observing me. They don’t look Russian…” And how would Major Zero brush that aside?
There are ways they can include Skullface in MGS3 remake without changing the main story 1. you unlock Skullface cut scenes or conversion with Zero talking about the mission once you finish the game it doesn't change the main story it think as bounus feature provides you connection to MGSV 2. This might tricky but they could sneak in Skullface in the main game where it makes you the player think you saw Skullface similar to scarabs in coat and hat MGS4 you see when go and look it not there or it could be fun for easter egg hunters to find
I reckon even something such as seeing Skull face peering out of a chopper as he looks over the Forrest watching Snake wouldn’t be a bad idea at all, like you said they are trying to keep the new story material to a minimum. A cameo like that keeps the appearance subtle without altering any story.
Skullface appearing in Snake Eater wouldn't make any logical sense whatsoever, since he is Naked Snake - which is established already in MGS3; one of the flashes you see during the "fight" with The Sorrow, if you kill a lot of people, is of a skullface (another flash being bombs falling; both foreshadowing Naked Snake becoming the "evil" Big Boss, with murder and pain on his conscience). That's what the Skullface character of MGSV is based on (Naked Snake himself). That's the idea Kojima was going with when he wrote MGSV, and even with that game in the sorry state it's in (unfinished jumbled mess hastily tied-together into what it clearly wasn't planned to be originally) it's still quite obvious Skullface is Naked Snake (especially if you listen to the tapes of him speaking; in particular his conversation with Zero). Making him appear in Snake Eater remake would turn him into a separate character, someone who isn't Naked Snake and exists independently of him. So that wouldn't make any sense.
@@filletmignon5221 no, they said it would be a faithful recreation even using the old dialogue, it's basically going to be the old game with better graphics and gameplay, no new scenes if you're using old dialogue
Would be really cool if they made if you did a lethal run and you can see skull face lingering about around if you hung around long enough or whatever they could do. Like how you can see ocelot some point in a cutscene and the sorrow at certain points as well that would be really cool. And but this world be exclusively to skull face though is that he will appear randomly on any type of run but mainly lethal run and if your doing a non-lethal run it will be slightly different with the timing and stuff
But it would have to be a really subtle hint of his presence, since canonically XOF was so good that absolutely no one knew they were even there. Having Snake actually see Skull Face would be a paradox and cause a game over lol
@@ponyride23 technically no. It wouldn't be a paradox it would just be a easter egg more or less is what im getting at since they still was apart of that mission
@@ponyride23 i was also going towards multiple endings since mgs1 also had multiple endings in that game so it references to mgs1 since the gnome soldiers experment got its start in mgs3 like solid snake and shit
@@ponyride23 see where im going? To make a good remake why not go all out dude make it wurth the while of actually creating probably if not, IT IS the fan favorite of the series to start with.
@@ponyride23 i also get mgs3 had multiple endings as well if i remember right. So why not add more endings to it ya know. Then you could split it into skull face as a playable character in the next game and play through his bit of the storyline from mgs3 to 5tpp if so desired how Raiden got his spin off started in mgs2 then got his own separate game which i liked mgsrr since the game came out but didn't see much love until more recently which is sad to say but its true.
This touches on something I would have liked to see in the Remake, and that’s having certain Story elements updated to fit better with games that came after. A big one for me would have been to show a stronger connection between Zero and the Boss. In the original, Zero wasn’t anywhere near as gutted as Snake by the Boss’s seeming betrayal, which is weird in retrospect given that he would devote the rest of his life to trying to realize her “will”. Maybe there is some optional Radio call that adds more that I’m not aware of, but it really should be main story stuff now.
Fortunately XOF will not be appearing in the MGS3 remake. They're keeping Snake Eater exactly how it is story wise, with modern gameplay an all being added. They're even using the original voice lines. Seeing XOF wouldn't make sense, Snake never knew about them until
i would love to see the addition to expand on the story for him but its a risky move on konamis part with the fans being pretty split with a remake at all i have hope but wont really be able to know much till more footage comes our way but they could maybe add it as a dlc later
Easiest way is codec call have skull face instruct code talker to collect the vocal parasites from each of the cobra unit. Naked snake accidentally connects to the codec call and Major Zero quickly intervenes telling him that any questions will be met with its classified and any more attempts to ask Major Zero about the details results in immediate game over. Major Zero warns snake about staying focused on operation snake eater and telling snake to forget about it and if he hears any talk about it he'll be in big trouble.
Mannnnn I feel like a complete remake of MG1 and MG2 from the old days is the perfect opportunity to wrap up the venom snake timeline. It just makes sense…
I still hope we get a piece of the original vision gameplay wise, if the sneak in some skull face/code talker, I’m not against it! I mean, the game was meant to be much larger..
They wont add anything like this. Konami knows that they only get 1 chance to comeback with Metal Gear and that is by doing it 100% faithfully. Edit: I'm 1000% aware that it's faithful to the lore (I know MGS lore fully). What I'm saying is that Konami are likely very afraid to change/add ANYTHING even if it's added from another Kojima written MGS game.
@@GamesWriteUp They could include it as extra cutscenes / codec calls between Skullface and Major Zero within a second playthrough as a nice bonus with the approval of Kojima of course. This way new players would first experience the game as people did when the original was first released. It would be a way for the game to get some more justification beyond just improving graphics and gameplay.
@@valueinvestor8555 That would be cool but I just don't see it happening. I think this will be purely a gameplay and visual upgrade type of remake and nothing else. And I don't see Kojima "approving" on anything for this remake as he still likely doesn't want Konami to touch it. However... If this remake shows real respect to the game, his team and him + it reviewing very well etc maybe he would be open to do that for the future ones.
A 1:1 remake could also fail. The only way it's going to succeed is if it's a good game to today's gameplay and cinematic standards. It's a high bar. If they set the bar low and barely get over it people are going to be pissed just as much as if they set the bar high, do a bunch of stupid crap trying to get creative and mess the whole series up. At least in the latter scenario people can just say it's not a real MGS game, similar to what Star Wars fans did.
I think the most subtle thing they could do, and probably the best, is just hide an XOF patch in places Snake returns to where they've made a mess as a player.
A little nod and a wink to Skullface would be acceptable I guess, maybe like Ocelot's legs behind RAY in the Tanker section of MGS2. But honestly my view is that Skullface is the poorest of metal gear villains and his presence would degrade the snake eater experience
My thoughts exactly I even tweet about this that skull face must make a cameo at the end after all he and big boss go way back making sure operation snake eater was a success
Funny to think they could easily add him into the remake when theres multiple scenes where they could just add Skullface there as an extra scene. Come to think of it; the famous bridge/helicopter scene with Boss is pretty much the best place to add him into the story, because they were hidden cobra unit on a secret mission so it would make some sense as to why he is there with them whether it be for a deal or to observe their operations, it would be cool to use action buttons to zoom/see him sitting in the Heli when they fly off and showing the past/present like other scenes they have done like that.
I think that even if skullface doesn't appear the least they could do is add some collectible XoF patches that maybe unlock an mgsV themed camo. Or something like that
@@valueinvestor8555I still think they could just because it's an easter egg does not mean snake knows about it it's just there for us the players to know
@@valueinvestor8555 well I mean I know it's not a perfect idea but I'm just trying to come up with something. Or maybe something they could do is give us a side story where you play as an XoF soldier assigned to covertly aid snake
In MGS4 when you had to trail a resistance member to Big Mama, you are also followed by the 3 spherical tri-armed bots in a trench coat and hat as revealed in the cutscene. They can be spotted in the level before the reveal in the cutscene by the player but Snake doesn't appear to comment or notice. They could do something like that or similarly the G-man in Half Life.
Mgs5 is Kojima material. Which means that a small Easter egg hinting at XOF would be beneficial to the story if anything. Given that the original MGS3 had zero evidence of a support team.
I think it would be cool if Skull Face would appear somehow in MGS3/Delta. The only doubts I have is that XOF is supposed to a secretive backup unit that even Snake didn't know existed. So how would we see Skull Face? It's a tricky one. Perhaps a you could hear a soldier talking about something he had seen. Thats all I can think of.
Imagine if they made Big Boss Voiced by (Keifer Sutherland) and Solid Snake Voiced by (David Hayter) Together in a Special game or in a Remake of Metal Gear / Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
I used to believe the rumors that skull face was Zadornov from MGSPW i liked the rumors and kinda makes sense since he has similiar outfit and that he was the one that gave snake and miller the offshore platform(mother base) and he was the one that took it back by destroying it.
I mentioned that I want a chronological remake of the games but didn't explain how it would work. Think though. First would be snake eater. Second would be a combination of portable ops and peacewalker both of which were lesser played. Third we could get a completion of the phantom pain. Then the awesome part is a totally new game doing the events of the original Metal Gear playing as Solid Snake infiltrating Outer Haven with Grey Fox. The roadmap is perfect.
INT. FOX HQ - NIGHT A snark smile shows up in Zero's mouth. In his station, Sigint take a look at their leading officer. SIGINT (in relief) That was a close call! John's made it, sir. I'll dispatch the pick up team to rendezvous point. Zero looks at his watch. His face goes sour. ZERO Dispatch XO for clean-up as well. Para-Medic looks at zero in disaproval. They share less than a second in eye contact, Zero turns his back on her. PARA-MEDIC Sir, they have not properly recovered from fallout pollution since Virtuous Mission. ZERO That is not your concern. PARAMEDIC U-understood, sir. Zero looks at his watch once again, as he leaves the room, into the darkness. (I know something like this will never happen because they will reuse the recorded audio assets, but as a filmmaker, that's what I'd do...)
Maybe after the game a budget of clean-up is tallied as a fun little Easter egg, showing how much destruction we caused and how much it inconveniences XOF
Long ago google upload an image of skull face without his face getting burned, sadly google decided to remove that image in order to not getting involved in a spoiler alert situation and ultimately Konami getting the hands on that image.
Skull face represents the player, and he has a skull face because the face is interchangeable as us, the players. Xof.. the player "in the shadows" making sure the mission succeeds. Seems like because we weren't playing as the real BB, Skull Face had to step into that fourth wall breaking role? (PP)
XOF after the fear explode: -Cheif do we have to... -Yeah remove them all -Hey guys i found the remains of the old man who blow up earlier i found his denture
“Attack Team come back at once! Guard team stay alert.” -Skull Face You really think it’s a coincidence that he sounds like he does?😮 He was always there.
The Fact that most People that think *Skullface* was the Worst Villain in the "Metal Gear" series have clearly never listened into one of the Audio Tapes that was in Punished Snake's iDroid.
What if Skullface was a projection, just like Paz, inside Venom’s mind and the master of manipulation - Ocelot - was behind it? Venom went through a 1970s brainwashing process which lore wise had some faults. Skullface (and also Skulls) could’ve never existed, hence he was Venom’s true phantom pain. Edit: it also explains why Boss and Naked Snake with such high intelligence both never caught a glimpse of Skullface’s existence. All we get is yet another scheme created by Ocelot on some tape records.
One cool thing they can do is flesh out the level environment by getting ride of the cuts to black when you exit one place to another. They can add more guard placements to the new parts of the levels that you will have to sneak though. This would be cool to add cause it wouldn’t mess with the original design to much by adding extensions, instead of keeping the cuts to black and showing snake awkwardly running up on the next stage then making the player hit the ground to look around
I'd argue that they don't need to add skullface since technically this could be thought as i think of it anytime i go back and play mgs 3 now. That being that you are playing through the story of mgs 3 as the medic in a coma between ground zeroes and phantom pain. Only seing what was needed to get the medic to experience big boss' life to understand his point of view.
I'm returning with another theory of yours . Years ago , you found that para medic was having some inconsistency in her background. And someone in Twitter that Konami wasn't to speak about it for now . Now that MGS Delta is announced , do you think these inconsistencies will be corrected ? Good job again!
I'd be perfectly fine with a small cameo, but recording new dialogue for any other character than Skull Face will feel weird, considering they're gonna use the exact same audio files from 2004.
i dont want skullface to be seen in the story, but i would like for him to be playable in his own gamemode, cleaning up snakes mess in different levels under a time limit
Imagine; that we discover Skullface was Big Boss's alter ego all this time, and Delta being a complete new game actually putting everything into a new perspective after V.
I personally think having some XOF-related content would work and lend the game some cred, but they would really need to work hard to make it believable and true to established cannon. For instance, XOF, unlike Big Boss (to Skull Face's chagrin) left no observable footprint in the PS2 version that we all played. You could say that their existence was a retcon and an ass-pull on the part of MGSV's writing, but I don't really have a problem with that per-se. There are layers upon layers of espionage and subterfuge happening in the background of each of these games. In MGS3 there are multiple characters acting as double or triple agents and numerous intelligence groups acting in a clandestine manner in the area of operations, the CIA being ironically the most overt and obvious group. So it's not implausible that an invisible ninja group of operators were cleaning up after the young Big Boss unbeknownst to him, despite his skills. It actually makes "the legend" more believable in the grand scheme of things. But they need to be truly invisible in order for that plot thread to remain significant. It would be a problem if you now inserted them into the narrative somehow, even in a cutscene during the main story narrative or something like that, or in some codec convo or a piece of intel that Snake has access to. The creators of MGSΔ will need to be tactful with how and where they make a nod to the more dedicated fans of the series to whom this kind of retcon would appeal. Right now, I don't think we know what the scope of changes will be, so I'm reserving judgement on what should or shouldn't be changed about the original narrative. And we can only speculate on how much Kojima himself is involved in this game, as far as I'm concerned, he may very well be, despite what many fans seem to think. If Kojima is heavily involved, then we can expect a lot of new wrinkles to be added in the overall portrayal of this game, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I'm worried that we will eventually learn that he had almost no involvement in the production of the game, aside from perhaps giving some of the developers his approval in private, in which case the Δ (Delta) in the title would take on the significance of saying, "this game is a deviation from previous cannon, there has been an official split and now we are doing our own thing," which probably wouldn't be great for the fans IMO. One aspect of the iconography of the Δ that interests me, though, is its similarity to the V in the title of the previous game. The Δ is an inverted V with another side added on. Could we be in for another mind-fuck game full of new, ambiguous plot threads and complex, hall-of-mirrors style psychological portrayals similar to The Phantom Pain? It would be a bold move on Konami's part but I see a lot of potential there. The Δ in this game's title could potentially signify a style of "remake" that not only retreads the content of the old game, but re-contextualizes and deepens it.
@@gman3901 I like that, and it does make sense. But if we're being extra schizo speculating about the implications of naming conventions, I'll point out a few things. 1. That the three previous releases you mentioned all had the 3 in the title, denoting that they belong after 2 and before 4 in the "main story." The two re-releases were "the same game" as the initial MGS3. 2. Δ is a triangle made of three staves at angles, another numeric symbol comprised of three lines is the Roman numeral III, or three. 3. Until MGSV was released, the prior "main series" titles were MGS1-4 (using Arabic numerals) and then the change was made to, ostensibly, Roman numerals for the naming of MGSV. And obviously the V doesn't denote simply a five, it also means V as in "V has come to." This break in continuity of the naming convention suggests a deeper meaning behind the intent IMO. I see Kojima as an "everything is relevant" kind of writer/director similar to Stanley Kubrick. In my head, I think of The Phantom Pain as "MGS Vee" rather than "MGS Five," maybe I'm the only one. So the fact that the remake isn't called something like MGS3:Δ, but the 3 is replaced by the Δ, suggests a similar intent to whatever was meant with the shift from 5 to a V. I could be crazy. I said elsewhere I (we?) don't know how involved Kojima is with the production of this game, but even if he isn't, at the very least I would think the creators will be trying to follow his original intent and possibly build on the themes developed in the series if they make any changes at all. And I think there will be changes as suggested by the Δ which in scientific terminology usually denotes change in a system.
@@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr Going mental on speculation, Delta is playing part of Venom's virtual programming into Big Boss. Much like the theory of Twin Snakes being VR for Raiden or the 'Solid Snake Simulation' of the patriots AI in SoL? Gives Konami an excuse for any deviations at the least.
It's going to be complicated for Konami to add new scenes or introduce Skull Face and Code Talker to Delta, would love to see them do it tho! I think it can be possible only through codec calls.
After watching they could just add a scene where we press the R1 or R2 button during a cutscene and it will showcase skullface from a chopper afar keeping tabs at snake or maybe a funny one with the sorrow pointing at it and snake just grunts and doesn't pay much thought🤣.
They will add some different content to the remake as they will do to there future remakes but I do think skull face will make an appearance in the shadows they can give us a post game dlc story based in the events in portable ops
I think this is an amazing idea, they just said that they are not recording new voice lines but I still think that him just appearing from a chopper or in the ending somewhere in the room where Big Boss was given the title would be amazing just like how you could Ocelot in the original if you zoom in
It would be cool if they did add little bits here and there for the sake of continuity, but i highly doubt it. I think Konami will be very careful to preserve the game in its original form as much as possible so they don't rock the boat with the fans. Them taking liberties with the story here and there might rub people the wrong away, especially if they fuck it up.
