It could be that all of the huge water creatures during the permian were gigantic squid, octopuses and jellyfish, soft bodies that rarely ever fossilize.
The internet is strange. You randomly popped up in a shuffle of podcasts on my Spotify which is the first time I ever heard of you. And now boom you appear on my RU-vid page.
well spotify and youtube will share data with each other to curate your algorithms. Or maybe you talked about a video about this nature and your phone was in proximity. Even me writing this comment if I said Rolex might effect the data. Ill bet if you played rolex ads right next to a phone if you open up youtube with no account itll all be watch video and as will be rolex.
Things like that happens to me countless Time. What I really find strange is when I think about something, I dont talk about it, and there, the video or the thing I was thinking about
The prehistoric world just keeps getting weirder the more I hear about it and I absolutely love it. I wish, just for a short time to be able to see into the past. See these behemoths with my own eyes
The present world is also weirder the more you learn about it. I mean, look up Hemicentetes (or Streaked Tenrec), tree kangaroo, or horned screamer. Some of the weirdest animals I've ever seen.
i clicked on this video thinking it would be a few minutes, and would be a good time waster, but in fact was not. This video was very interesting and I liked learning about the Permian Period
Part of me wonders if "end of an ice age" is the only good time for sapience to evolve. Far fewer competitors after a few tens of thousands of years to sharpen your wits in a dangerous environment, leading to an overabundance of brainpower with a lack of extreme pressures forcing constant attention.
@@hondaaccord1399 It does make allot of sense as we didnt really get to apex status until there were no more shortfaced bears and smilodons and other huge predators and considering history those are pretty small and easy to hunt for ppl rather then what was before those. So the end of an ice age might be our only shot to get to where we are. Now nothing other then aliens and natural disasters could challenge our superiority.
Lol yall believe anything. No proof of any of these fairy tales. You cannot gain this much knowledge from fossils lol. Truth is, we have no idea what happened before us. But we make up all these stories to make ourselves feel smart as if we know everything. So foolish.
shout out to all the photographers and the camera men in general who got the footage of these deadly creatures in such a deadly era yall are the true hero's 🙏🏽
what people forget is that only like 1-2% of all species get fossilized..... ***Meaning THERE IS (Sobs in English is hell) a good chance other things existed*** Oh ***Dear god ***
Yeah, the small sections of preserved areas give an accurate idea of what was in that small area, but we lost so much we can only speculate from what is around (like finding the same animal on multiple continents means its range was at least between where all of those areas connected).
And they base all of their speculation (that is what it is and nothing more) on such little data, truth is they have no idea what went on during those times, no idea at all.
Honestly, I'd guess less than 1% of macrospecies fossilized. And we definitely haven't found the majority of fossil species. The past 50 years has proved that.
Nothing makes me feel smaller than hearing about the time frames of prehistoric history. It’s so scary to imagine how much of a tiny blip we are on Earths timeline, let alone that of the universes’. It’s honestly one of my favorite feelings
Same. I like the feeling. It's a bit comforting, that maybe someday in the Future, People will find us and maybe look at us with the same feeling we look at those Animals and that we left a Mark there, no matter how small it is
Same, it brings me comfort knowing that my existence means nothing in the long term. I will be completely forgotten to time, nothing and no one will remember I existed. With that in mind why even worry about anything? Who cares what people think of me, soon I'll be dead and no one will remember me so might as well give it my all trying to live my best life regardless of what others think.
This video actually made me cry a bit. A lot of the Earth’s land was uninhabitable and there weren’t many sea creatures either in this time period. Yet, it still took the Great Dying to really take out most of the flora and fauna that have managed to survive long enough to witness such an event. No matter what era you pick from this earth, there’s still some form of great and main suffering, yet there are still many ways that remaining living creatures have managed to sustain life and even their bloodlines. Even the herbivores have managed to survive long enough in the midst of a carnivorous hellscape. Makes me believe in myself a little.
@@NickHurr-ss3po He's quoting a show... Nobody is suggesting anything about real fire breathing dragons. But thanks for claryfing that mythological creatures aren't real. We can all breathe easy thanks to you.
after the entire land was gorgonopsed, the anti grogonopsed came and exploded a couple of boom rocks and ungorgonopsed everything, allowing the dinosaurs to start dinosauring everything
@@Bladedflame1 after the entire land was dinosaured, the anti dinosaured came and exploded a massive boom rock and undinosaured everything, allowing the mammals to start mammaling everything
The Permian as a whole is an extremely underrated period. There are so many unique and unknown species that lived during it. For example: -Suminia: Basically, a Permian monkey. What’s not to love? -Anteosaurus: The Permian’s most dangerous land predator, a massive carnivorous synapsid. -Jonkeria: “I like em big, I like em chunky!” The largest Permian land animal, an absolute unit. -Prionosuchus: Possibly the largest amphibian to ever exist. -Cotylorhynchus: A big synapsid with a comically small head. “Who you callin’ pinhead?” -Weigeltisaurus: One of the earliest examples of gliding and the first gliding reptile. It’s only surpassed by the Cambrian and Triassic in pure weirdness…
The Devonian is super underrated too. The sorts of forests that were developing in those early days must have been absolutely trippy to wander through. Though a lot of those lineages survived through all the way to the Permian, and if not that than at least up to the Carboniferous rainforest collapse.
Imagine the 10s of millions of species that we will never find any evidence for. For all we know there could have been an intelligent species that used simple tools and it might be impossible for us to ever find evidence of them if something like that existed.
@@iraniansuperhacker4382 humanity could have evolved and played out word for word action for action the exact same as it is already and we would have no idea because the earth is just too old to know
I feel like a teacher wheeled in the old TV cart, lights out and here we go. Funny you can space out on this but learn it all same time, I guess learning back in the day was better. Interesting stuff, Ty for putting this all together was well worth watching.
We knew a lot less back then. Sometimes tell me bro and still alive parents about new developments. All these new soft matter finds everywhere. Up to point they won't believe "Dino with feathers, you don't say ! "
@@Pebbsi_official sound travels better through water than through air, and whales communicate using sound underwater, some even echo locate. incidentally I should point out that humans can also hear reasonably well under water, they just can't speak.
Props to the paleo-artists and CGI team from Primeval! Their depiction of a super-sized gorgonopsid served as the basic template that most folks still use today. 🙂
Interestingly enough, the great Permian Extinction lasted for such a long time (200.000 years) that the species that suffered it most probably didn't realize what was happening. Thousands upon thousands of generations of animals and plants were born and died during that period. Some probably even thrived, and changes ocurred without much disturbance. Only, things were gradually and very slowly getting worse, the habitats becoming scarcer, competition more fierce... until the last 20.000 years when most of the extinctions happened. But even then it would've been extremely slow and relatively uneventful. Human civilization is less than 7000 years old, written history is 5000 years old. It's like having an ancestor from a milennia ago writing how the desert that's near your home used to be a forest, that the people back then were slightly taller and they used to have a slightly longer lifespan. By comparison, I'd bet the extinction from the Cretacic was way more sudden and traumatic, even if the long term harm wasn't nearly as large.
>hands peasant or higher religious member a book d e t a i l e d with dinosaur facts "demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real- demons are real-" >return to our time/just run away depending on the hypothetical
any timeline beats this one *fingers crossed we get blessed with the big ol tongalohongas universe* (or based off the dinosaur book- one where the mass extinctions didnt happen would also be acceptable)
You probably wouldn't get that many different responses than you would showing third world peasants today, tbh. Ranging from absolutely fascinated to not really buying the idea to "Neat... anyways...". Though the timescales presented would probably sound absolutely ludicrous to them. But they almost certainly wouldn't view it as a contrary view to their religion or worldview unless you specifically presented it as such. They really liked antediluvian lore and would probably consider this an interesting (even if wildly unfounded seeming) theory on the megafauna of those times.
Imagine being out in the middle of nowhere stuck on a little raft in the Panthalassic ocean 😅 such a scary thought Edit: some of yall are commenting “this could be the same for any ocean.” Stop it. I know 😂 but we’re talking about a giant ocean on ancient earth. I’m just trying to depict a different scenario
@@greenkoopa Yea man 😣 I could never And also , science may say ocean fauna was relatively scarce but who knows? The fossil record is very incomplete. There could be something big and scary down there unaccounted for
From my knowledge of watching Walking with Monsters & Primeval, Inostrancevia (or really any Gorgonopsid) is an animal I would never want to encounter.
@@Slayer9-u1k I personally hate its design, but maybe that's because I'm a Permian fanatic and I find some paleoart of Inostrancevia better overall than it.
Its so crazy that we can go back this far and still be talking about animals more closely to mammals than reptiles. I really need to spend some time with a evolutionary lineage chart and figure out what came from where...
Most of mammals or "neutral" species that werent either reptillic or bird-like species are extinct by now, there alot of exceptions but those other species are which evolved much later after prehiastoric era
@@EnlightenedSavage I imagine it's a near impossible task. I don't remember the channel, but some YT video visualized the evolution of humans from apes generation by generation, and of course, at no point did one become another. Change happens so gradually, how do you even determine if two animals are the same species or different ones?
@@Kr-nv5fo some arthropods could have, and maybe an independent line of tetrapodomorphs but otherwise you're right. No amniotes would have gotten there
September 23, 2024 - This video is about one of my most favorite Nature subjects. While the rapid fire delivery of hard to remember species' names, can prove daunting. The narration and video scenes mesh nicely. I think the video's host does his best to explain a complicated topic to people unfamiliar with it. Well done, and I have subscribed to the channel. My thanks to the host of the channel.
You're buggered if you can't swim. I love this period of history, the Dinosaurs are great and all but they've been done to death. The Gorgonopsia are one of nature's most bad ass predators.
Yeah... and they were a close sister-group to the more mammal-like cynodonts from which we directly descended, their body-plan would also echo through hundreds of millions of years through their surviving close relatives. So, though they lived a quarter of a billion years ago when this planet was very different, they are arguably more alive than the dinosaurs are.
The Ocean has a way of breeding some truly high spec life. Having to constantly be aware of literally every direction including up and down as well as having zero cover outside of very rare zones forces some really optimized evolutions
I love the family of Gorgonopsids. They are such amazing animals, akin to bears or very large tigers today. It is almost hard to imagine they didn't wipe out anything they preyed upon!
@@toidIllorTAmII think the probability of a beyond ancient creature still existing is much lower then the probability of me coming into contact with one should it still exist.
@@Bubby370 I'd remembered him saying the days were shorter, but wrongly saying it was because the moon was closer (rather than the earth spinning faster). The point being that a closer moon actually makes the months shorter
@@danielnarbetthe just said them out of order, he’s making an educational video about dinosaurs not catering to some random dude waking up pedantic 😂 use context clues
@@kja6336 I could be wrong but there is no correlation between the distance from the Earth to the moon and the length of a day one way or the other. In the video he says that days were shorter because of the moon’s closer orbit, which is wrong. That’s all this guy is saying.
@@eurekify1563 I went back to see what the guy in the video said and he didn't even misspeak. The comment guy was coming after the video guy for saying days were shorter instead of... I couldn't tell you. The moon being closer to earth had a gravitational pull that increased the rotation of the earth. Moon being closer and the days being 22 hours long are cause and effect not correlation, "Change time" is a figure of speech, being pedantic kills sperm cells
The deep sea could’ve had so many horrifying things in it back then, and we really wouldn’t know by the sheer amount of deep sea sediments that just don’t exist anymore. We know what was in the shallow ocean very well, but again, just the areas that still exist.
@@abdulsabri6551water is extremely corrosive. Think oxidation and friction erosion. Air, on the other hand, is a lot less corrosive. Also consider that when considering soft bodied organisms like jellyfish, virtually 0 live on land. For aquatic life, bones tend to last long enough against water to become buried in sediment and fossilize. Soft bodied stuff would get swept away, eaten up, or simply deteriorate before it could ever become buried and fossilize.
@@Gavolak Also the sea floors get destroyed by the continental plates very regularly. To the point that unless it was shoved up into a mountain, it's all gone by now anyways.
I can’t help but imagine that the gorgonopsids had ears resembling those of hippopotamus. There’s something uncanny about these earless reconstructions. 🤔
i agree, though the earless reconstructions are coming from somewhere. the gorgonopsids, and therapsids in general, didnt have complex enough ears (inner) to warrant any sort of outer ears. i believe the first potential outer ears similar to mammalian ears were in the cynodonts from the triassic? maaaybe? check me on that, its probably not quite right. however the first ears are still pretty speculative and unagreed on, its a surprisingly contentious question.
Just came across your channel and appreciate it that you don't spam the videos with music. Perfect to relax and listen to with my morning coffee. Thank you
Great video! I look at those gorgonopsid skulls and wonder if they were better equipped for the sabertooth ecomorph than the skulls of felids. Their longer skulls would have probably offered an easier time of reaching wider gapes than sabertooth cats, and permitting faster jaw closure. And the larger skull size relative to body size would have compensated to some degree for lower mechanical performance 💀🤓
The footage you used around 3:33 was of Brontoscorpio, a giant scorpion which lived during the Devonian and was a true scorpion and not a eurypterid. The name "sea scorpion" is a bit of a misnomer, as it is unclear whether eurypterids were closely related to arachnids, but they are thought to be chelicerates, a group that includes arachnids and horseshoe crabs.
The gorgons seriously remind me of oversized honey badgers in all honesty from what’s been described Edit: they all are built like little wolverines or badgers tbh that’s actually really cool but just my high mind
Yes, but not because of the fauna. Prehistoric humans lived beside larger, more dangerous animals. Atmospheric composition, climate, and finding a stable food source would be bigger challenges.
I always found the Permian particularly enchanting, since as a child, there was so little information available on it. Af ew snapshots from Michel Benton's Story of Life on Earth were tantalising. This video, I think had shown me more about the Permian than the last forty-odd years of lay palentology!
This is such an underrated era to talk about! I always get so excited to hear about such unique creatures, there's something almost alien about them. 🤔
Probably because they were. Our bacteria came and evolved from somewhere, I like to imagine whatever formed earth must have had the perfect amounts of chemicals to eventually form us.
Coelurosauravus was the closest that evolution came to a dragon, the structures that allowed these animals to glide, were not part of their four limbs, if they had not become extinct, perhaps, they could have developed two more new limbs that could function as wings , becoming the first hexapod, a true dragon!
I have a question that I would like to see in a video. Say 1000 people can go back in time, fully prepared. That means having all information that we know off in history and having guns, food and more things to survive. How far back can we go to survive all the way till now and how would we change/better the technologie.
As a Russian who often was in the modern Permian region, that is still not the first place you would like to visit, though I didn't see any inostrancevias :)
Interesting how many of them lived in South Africa, when the part on the Rubidgea Atrox came up, I remembered of when I was a child my grandma took me to a little museum in Nieuw-Bethesa, as then I was very big into dinosaurs. The museum didnt have dinosaurs, but Permian animals! The other day i found my photo standing with them and the lady at the museum even showed me some fossils in the nearby stream. She also took my grandma and I to a nearby archaeologist, busy getting some fossils ready. It was really cool to learn about them now again after so many years, even though I don't remember what the lady told me 😅
The helicoprion is the result of a nope shark playing with an ouija board in the 7th circle of hell and proceeding to be possessed by the devil himself. Change my mind.
These videos always make me think: if some species were smart enough to become caveman, but were extinct long long ago and the prehistoric humans (I forgot the name of those guys) were lucky enough to thrive and become fully sentient? It would explain why we can’t find any signal of Intelligent life on Earth before humans. Because they didn’t survive long enough to start any kind of civilization.
There were, last I checked, 8 different sub species of humans in prehistoric so would probably have to be more specific. Dont remember if they were all around at any point during the same era though. Also you probably mean Sapient not Sentient. Sapient means self aware and high problem solving intelligence. Sentient means the ability to think and feel. I dont know too much about them but if I remember right the Neanderthals had very large skulls, maybe they were more intelligent then us
@@toidIllorTAmI Homo Sapiens also have to eat far more to sustain ourselves then usual because our brains require alot more energy then ideal. If a high energy requirement evolution pays off then its not imperfect. If it wasnt creatures would evolve to need as little energy as possible.
@@toidIllorTAmI We also need more food then our size would suggest because our brains expend alot of energy to function. If a high Energy evolution’s benefit's outweighs its cost its not imperfect, it works. Energy Requirements aren't the most relevant metric
@@FrostReaveEnergy requirements are the _only_ metric, economy is just some kind of moneyed derivation of ecology - economists have not yet found out resources are finite, but they will, in short time - 8+ billion folk wanting to live like Americans use op reserves mighty fast - I digress. As for energy in nature, if you look close enough, each and every detail of life has to make do of how to get around with stuff at the utmost efficiënt level. Those that are not good at it, need more and lose the game. Out you go, unsurvival of the unfit !
Just gonna throw this out there, I subbed a couple weeks ago and just had to resub because youtube auto unsubbed me, I know it's platform on and off issue so I wanted to highlight it here.
@@EmperadorBuggy James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change"
@@Randy-nm2ruyou don't convince anyone of anything just spouting ramdom verses you don't even know the meaning off. Also i bet you love Israel andnthe Talmud
Why ? 🤔 Why the irrational fear of spiders? Yo do understand that they are not trying to actively hunt you or eat you or anything and they take care of all the other stuff you don't actually want in your house right?
@@samrowe2889let one crawl on your face then. you’re capping if you say you’re okay with that. or a psychopath. I normally don’t condone such an unempathetic sentiment but…it’s spiders, c’mon.
Don't care even if land is the most dangerous place to live. Man i realy don't want to be tortured by the depth and darkness of the unknown sea. So yeah i pick land anyday..
You dont need strong bite force when you have massive jaw full of massive long serrated teeth capable of causing deadly damage to anything you bite with little force.
Intersting to think about what this time might have been like with a human or human equivilent species existing alongside these other land animals. Could they be tamed, ridden or eaten? would an intelligent species use them as a resource or treat them as a threat, combination of both? We will never know of course, just interesting to think about, we already live alongside animals we are objectively weaker than in every way, yet humans are still the dangerous ones.
Thank god nature doesnt allow that to exist for very long. And thank whatever allowed the oxygen levels on earth to drop so we dont have to deal with giant monstrosities anymore.
That eyes forward design of sphenocanthid is simultaneously fascinating and goofy. I tried googling more info and didn't get much. I want to know why they were like that.
It reminds me of some reconstructions of T. rex when you get a forward facing view. It is a trend for predators to have forward facing eyes instead of comparison to prey animals that have eyes on the sides of their heads. Though for sphenocanthid it seems like the artist kind of forgot about the structures that lay in between eyes. Idk the picture reminded me of a forward facing T. rex rendition that was unsettling, I may be spouting total sludge that is off but that’s what I think.
Moon being closer *didn't cause* shorter days. It was and is Earth transferring *rotational energy* to the moon's *orbital energy* causing days to become longer and moon drifting farther away.
Beginner physics class test question: "Where is the center of mass between Earth and Moon if Moon 1/81st the mass of Earth and distance between them 250k (ish) miles?" Answer: 250k miles/81 = 3k mile from center of Earth. (given Earth radius of about 4k miles, center of system within Earth)
