I think you hit the 'nail on the head' with respect to what will appreciate over the next decade. For those of us that were looking to get our first vehicle in the late 90's and 00's, cars were just easier to get going with. So now those 90's and 00's kids have disposable income and are looking back predominantly towards cars, not bikes. So I see 90's and 00's cars rising better than bikes of the same era.
Instead of the Honda cb1100 I d go for the older cb1300. Yes they re older but they are bullet proof. I had a 2003 and sold it with 74000 miles and it’s still going strong. You can pick up a 2007 plate semi faired in white and candy red on auto trader £5795 immaculate with……..12700 miles! Perfect for long distance and a beautiful retro with plenty of wind protection. Hava a look at them Freddie.
Look at all of the vintage motorcycles who've had multiple owners over the years and out lived them all. They have prices that reflect their rarity or the price to have one restored. European motorcycle cost more and are built in smaller quantities while Japanese motorcycles are built in large quantities but for the most part are used and abused until they're worn out.That is why low mileage vintage Japanese motorcycle in mint condition command high prices. If you are diligent you can find low mileage bikes at giveaway prices.
I have just hit 68 years, I have a Morris Minor I bought for £1,200 32 years ago, a Royal Enfield Model G 350cc I bought nearly 52 years ago and a modern Royal Enfield Classic 500 2017. I didn't buy anything for an investment, I bought them to enjoy and boy have I enjoyed them over the years. The Morris has been used regularly at times and although it is worth over 5 times what I paid for it I have spent more than it's gain in value on repairs and maintenance. The RE Model G has had over £4,000 spent on it over the years but I don't care, it has been part of my life for a long time now, my family and friends have suffered for many years my ranting on about when I get the Royal Enfield on the road again I just enjoy!!
I am in that 60+ age bracket you speak of and I think you’ve hit the nail on the head in terms of your age group simply not having the attachment to bikes like my age group did. Thankfully I now have the money and time (retirement is great 👍) to indulge myself with a couple of classic BMW motorbikes as well as a Mercedes SL500 V8, which was another vehicle I lusted after in my younger days. What I do think is happening is that those that were into bikes in your age group are now being drawn to the pre electronic gizmo machines of the 90s and early 2000s which have brilliant performance but can be maintained without access to a computer etc. These are all available for less than £5k. The only bikes that will continue to fetch large sums of money are the low mileage ‘museum’ pieces in immaculate condition but that never get ridden which I find sad…. My 1983 BMW R100RS has done over 100k miles and turns heads wherever I go but she is there to be ridden, likewise my 1990 BMW K1, So I will continue to enjoy them and not worry about how much they’re worth 😊
You're right about those with money being drawn to things from their past but I don't think even the "museum pieces" will continue to attract large sums of money. Bikes are not like cars - the actively riding market diminishes with the age of the buyer that has the money. Young(er) riders don't want older bikes (as in 90's) because they're easy to work on or impress others for what the bike once represented- they want them because they're cheap. It's a self-fulfilling market pricing structure.
An Aussie block brought an Old African Twin 750 , ( a barn find ) rode it around some of Europe , shipped it back to Australia ( they never were imported here unfortunately) and stripped it down and done it up and just got back from riding it 20,000 Km across Australia. He has a fantastic utube channel -ARiemann1 - an excellent 4 part series.
Agree that the air cooled Ducati's have classic appeal but good luck if you're not willing to work on the desmo engine yourself. Keep a log over the long term service costs and you'll soon find out you ain't making money. That applies to just about all motorcycles that are kept in regular operation. For low cost long termer with somewhat classic appeal, look towards Guzzi V7's, BMW air-heads, Harley Sportster EVO's and Triumph 790/865's. They sold plenty, they are relatively new, parts generally are not hard to find, anyone can potentially service these bikes, they sit in a low insurance bracket (in Australia at least) and their engines are low strung, long lived and basic provided. Fewer moving parts = fewer long term replacement items, "generally". Easy engine access. Royal Enfield with the 650's have nailed what a practical classic is, has and should be to own. An inexpensive, pretty bike that is happy to take you on any journey and can be serviced on the side of the road.
Hi Freddie, you have to remember the price people are asking for bikes very often isn't what they sell for. A lot of these high price bikes are for sale for over a year. They very often come back for sale from the same owner time and time again.
Freddie, I had an S2000. Dream car. Sold it 10 years ago for £5k. Low mileage, decent condition. Just seen one sell for £18,000. Saw a damaged one (needed new roof, new arches, a lot of damage and rust repair) from the outside you’d think scrap. SOLD for £7k. I would have been better off leaving my car to die somewhere and selling now. MADNESS!!!!
Hi Freddie I have been riding for 52 years just restored a BMW R100RS 1977 model, and I also have a BMW R1200RT 2013 90-year anniversary model. The service cost of Ducati bikes in Australia are unbelievable, bikes are becoming so expensive to own they will become only for the few enthusiasts who can afford them. So sad. P.S. love the podcast. Regards Gary
Freddie, thanks for your suggestions. I’ve looked at both bikes but having owned, and absolutely loved, a T120 I’d go for one of those over the Moto Guzzi and Honda. You were very close to what I’ve come up with so far though! A V85TT or at a push, the new Transalp. Vancouver island is amazing btw, and has a pretty good bike scene.
@@jerhughes500 not yet. I did a test ride in 2021 and have been thinking about it since. I'm now 90% sure I'm going to get the new model in 2024. I have a Guzzi V7, which has the same engine, gearbox, etc.
All that glitters is not gold! Back in the late 1980’s I was working in the USA and being bored one evening decided to take a walk. I came across a lovely older man who had on his drive a Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7. Whilst loving Porsches I didn’t fully understand the importance of the RS 2.7 so after some time chatting, I bought it. I think the purchase price then was about £7k. A lot of money at the time for a car, particularly an older one that needed some work. I had it shipped back to the UK where I totally rebuilt it over the next 2 years. Total body strip, re spray, engine rebuild, full upholstery replacement and headlining. In the end I had a lovely car that was still old for its time when held against the then more modern 1990’s cars. So, in 1998 I bought one of the first Jaguar XK8’s. A convertible. Gorgeous then modern car. So I sold the 911 for about£7k. Still a lot of money then but nothing when compared with what I spent on it. I kept in touch with that car as it passed through many owners. The last sighting of it was about 10 years ago when it was sold for £256,000 at auction. My wife doesn’t allow me to speak of it anymore. To be honest, compared to more modern cars it was not good. It didn’t handle, go or stop as good as the more modern cars. Not as good as the XK8 I replaced it with but, the Jaguar is now probably rusting away somewhere or worth just £200 as scrap and the 2.7 RS, who knows???? With a Porsche the sky’s the limit. Since then I have owned another 5 Porsche’s and all have been fabulous!
As an rider over 70 years old and the current owner of five bikes my intention is to find younger riders who would be a good fit for the bikes that I have and sell one every couple years. Sell them the bike at a steeply discounted price so they can enjoy a bike that would otherwise be out of their price range. I haven't convinced my buddies to do the same yet but I'm working on it. Just a way to give back to our future and continue the sport I've loved for over 54 years now. I just sold my Moto Guzzi Sport 1200 and I'm looking for a home for my 2017 Royal Enfield Classic Chrome 500 and 2016 Thruxton R in the six months. Future bikes going out will be 2019 Honda Monkey, 2023 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro and 2024 Kawasaki Z900RS SE.
The gentleman with the Guzzi and the Suzuki Freewind - I absolutely agree that the Speedmaster is the bike for him. I too have a 29" inseam and I love my 2023 Speedmaster bought this year. However, I am surprised he has a Freewind, a bike I had myself some years ago (in the colours in your picture) and it was a great bike, but I sold it on because it was too tall for me which caused me to drop it (happily without damage). But I wonder about your recommendation of a Trans Alp as a Freewind replacement. It has an even higher seat!
Hi Freddie, when you mention the values of early 90's car's. The main reason they are so expensive now. Is most of the late 80's and early 90's car's were scrapped due to the Government's scrappage scheme. So makes those car's very scarce. Great videos, Dave.
In the eighties i bought a BSA 650 Road Rocket for buttons. I kept it for a while and swopped it for a Ducati, big mistake. Imagine my surprise to see a similar BSA Road Rocket on sale recently for well over 6 grand in a monthly publication i get. To say i was amazed would be an understatement.
@ 71 yrs old, I've had a 2000 Ducati Sport touring 916 8v 108bhp 90nm torque. 212 kg. for the last 16 yrs and 100,000kms. very soon a classic.Cost me 3000€ in 2007 @ 12,000kms. Selling price?, no idea as it will never happen 😊 sport bike road holding even with the color matched Nonfango panniers. Stunning Brembo brakes, no modes,no slipper clutch,no ABS, no traction control..heaven.😊/mile
Freddie, great point about 60 year olds having a different situation. My first bike was an early 80’s Honda CM450 E with 4,000 miles for $400. I rode it for a year, graduated to a late 80’s Honda CB 900 Custom for $800. My then girlfriend and now my wife and I took these two bikes across country for two months. The CM NEVER had any issues. . .My CB lost a piston racing a BMW over a pass in Colorado. I rode it 2,000 miles back to Vermont with three cylinders , and traded it for what I bought it for, for an 85 Honda V65 Sabre, $1,200 (total). That bike went back and forth across the US 3 times, again with NO issues ever, and finally I sold her as a young father, FOR WHAT I BOUGHT HER FOR! My next bike, 20 years later was a BMW K1600, and now, trading that for a 3 year old Bonnie T120, which I wish I had all along, the perfect bike (for me).
Rarity is the issue. The Africa Twin is neither rare nor special. They didn't sell well in the UK but there are plenty around. A Dakar version on the other hand with the underseat tanks will be worth plenty. Yamaha R1s and R6s will never be worth really big money but R7s are already worth a small fortune. The value of Honda RC30s and RC45s are similar whereas VFRs are worth pennies. You need something really special produced in very small numbers - the thing they all have in common is that they were expensive and hard to get when new. As you said at the start trying to guess which "run of the mill" bikes will appreciate is a mugs game - any small profits made will be wiped out by maintenance costs anyway. Buy what you like/can afford and enjoy it - it's the riding that counts. If you want an investment you'd do better with Premium Bonds.
Hi Freddie. On the subject of classics, bike or cars and increasing prices. What happens when E5 petrol stops being produced, E10 is the norm, and E15 is the new kid on the block. I'm fairly confident it's going to happen. This is going to be a serious problem for older vehicles. Then you will see prices tumble. I love old vehicles, but this is the main reason why I have never bought one. Cheers David.
My wife has an abarth 595 (fiat 500) 1.4 T supposed to be fine to run on E10. Absolute rubbish it runs terribly E5 is the only fuel for it. E15 😮didn’t even know it was a thing?
Hello Freddie, speaking of Italian bikes have you looked at the Ducati ST bikes? I had a '98 ST2 for 12 years, great bike, some minor problems with it but regret selling it. These underrated bikes are in the £2000 to £3000 price range. At 67 years old I've come down to a Benelli Leoncino 500 trail, great fun to ride, Chinese bikes have improved over the years.
Last year I went into a Harley davidson dealership in the States to get a sportser and ended up getting a used 2020 750 v7 moto guzzi for about 6k took off those aweful European pipes for some GT moto pipes from the states and I love it.
Max might want to hang off buying the Benelli until the new Royal Enfield Himalayan comes out, seems to be getting a decent right and might be a good fit for the adventure bike for him and free up good funds for the cruiser (depending on how aggressively RE price the new Himalayan)
Freddie, just a shame you need 4 seats - there are many bargain SLKs with a full-fat 272bhp V6 engine. Buy the 2004 / 2005 version to take advantage of the £395 Road Tax loophole. Make sure it comes with airscarf, heated leather seats and built in Satnav. GLORIOUS way to travel!
Hi Freedie . Cars here in Ireland have gone crazy . A Ford Focus 2020 that you would have purchsed only a couple of years ago for 1000 euro is now 2400 euro . Most people here being over charged for car insurance on a car thats passed it annual test and is in great condition . They say that they want to get old cars of the road . wages have dropped and the overall cost of living has rissen . People that are on lower income cant afford to buy a newer car so have to pay the crippling insurance costs. Some companys refuse to insure cars that are older than 20 years of age . Crazy .
I watched a RU-vid program the other day a classic bike sale not many fetched the price they were asking, at the end of the day freddie they are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
Just an observation….EV’s range estimates achieved at some 20% less than realised. ICE’s realise 20% more on a steady ride or drive than those quoted under the applied standards e.g. our car does 40 m.p.g generally and actually up to 50 m.p.g. on a recent holiday in Spain….
Don't forget when you're looking at advertised prices - those vehicle don't necessarily sell and not necessarily for that asking price. Many people have an overly optimistic idea of what their vehicles are really worth.
Very entertaining Tuesday at Dobbs'. I think the reason the Yamaha ADV isn't as expensive as some bixe it's age is that there are so many new ADV bixe on the market. A lot of people will want a new bike with new features up against an older bike. Not many people buy a bike as an investment. Concerning Max who will be retiring at 55, congratulations. May I suggest a Royal Enfield Super Meteor for cruising and a V-Strom 650 for touring? I bet tho every day he thinx of a different combination as there are so many bixe to choose from.
The problem with renting a lockup for storage of cars or bikes is silly money. I rented a storage unit the size of my garage for 3 months whilst I decorated the house, it was £460 per month. Crazy prices
Great work Freddie , Thanks you 🙏you have saved my Tuesday evenings ! I watch your channel while my wife watches EastEnders😮 happy days. Investment classic bikes need to be bikes you mainly look and not use ! And be in immaculate condition with low mileage ! My money would be on the last trellis frame monster models ! Great work 👍👍
Hi Freddie, I only wish I had taken my bike test before the rules changed in i think 2002. None of that theory test and lots of lessons stuff like it is now. On the positive side, I think having the extra training might have been necessary to help save lives. In my younger days, I was very used to riding bikes, and I did plenty of off road/trials riding. Just picking up on your point about the astronomical increases in motor insurance, my Mum has a 1.0 VW UP and travels less than 1.5K per year. She is getting on in her years and mainly uses the car for shopping yet they charged her over £600 at renewal this year, day light robbery!!!
Hi Freddy, I have just watched this episode and seen the CB1100 you spoke about. I am looking at changing from my trophy 1215se to a smaller bike. I have had a T120 and I am considering the cb1100rs. In your opinion which one would you go for. I have around 7k for the right bike. Tim
Brilliant watch! I owned an Escort Mk2 RS2000 in the 80's, paid £2,800 and sold it for £2,500😢 Also, Yam RD250E . Silly prices now, but they'll eventually drop when we're too old to enjoy and drive them. Keep up the great work.
Freddie I think it’s time to get a Moto Guzzi V7, compatible with all you hepco and Becker gear and most importantly fits your style perfectly, plus low maintenance!
Hi Freddie. About 30 mins after watching this podcast I walked past a Mash 500 here in Naples where I currently am. Hopefully I’ll work out how to attach pics if not I’ll try insta
I remember going to the Silverstone GP back in the 70's Freddie and seeing for the first time two MV Augusta's parked and they were the only MV's at the circuit that tells you how rare they were and why they command such a premium and back then most could not entertain trying to buy one . Most all of the 70's superbikes are now super prices but I think nowadays it's going to be a different kettle of fish .For future classics it's far more difficult purely because of the vast choice of bikes around in my opinion so now it will be the exotic that you need to go for which will already cost a fortune . 👍
I saw one at Donington in the mid ‘70s. Also saw an Egli. Somewhere I may have some square Kodak Instamatic paddock photos from that period. Actually, I think I was snapping with my Zenith SLR by then. That was a tough camera that survived being lugged all over the country in my top box. My brother had a more expensive Japanese model, and it rattled to pieces on a cycling trip to Wales!
I'm not sure of any of the bikes from 1990 on will ever become collectible or go up in value that much maybe 1998 and beyond, part of the reason is the point you made with, what the bikes meant to our Generation and as I'm 59, almost years old, it was a good thought when you suggested what bikes meant to you as to what they meant to me. Also bikes sometime in the 90's, IMO, kind of became throwaway bikes because they were too expensive to fix, you could not fix them your self and you touched on that with the car scenario, I have been searching and fixing up and some restorations of old bike for close to 20 years, I remember you could buy a Kawi H2 750 for 800 bucks back in 2000 (in Canada) and Yamaha RD's were Air cooled were 400 bucks and nobody wanted a CB750. I remember back in 2010 I thought I'd like to get an 84 900 Ninja GPz and I remember thinking why, they will never be worth anything, now they are starting to go up in Value, lol Everyone is calling it the Top Gun bike lol it was in the moving for 3 to 5 seconds I was riding one at the time of the movie, I think its funny as hell that they call it the Top Gun bike come on give me a break it was a great bike at the time and had a short life of being the most elite bike at its time but well it was in Top gun, I would love to have one of these but I would not pay more than 2500 bucks Canadian for one that's about 5 British pounds I think lol and 10 American bucks. its very hard to predict what bike is going to go up in price but I have a feeling the late 70's Susi GS650s might, not huge but they will and I think this is because they are inexpensive, they look real nice, easy to get parts for and that will drive the price up and start the frenzy but I really don't know. the Suzi Katana from 80 or 81 to 1987 use to be worth a lot and they still are but I notice recently they have come down in price a bit, but they will go up again. just my thoughts, no really worth much. Great channel buy the way just want to tell you my favorite review you did was the RE Continental GT, you did a great job on that one and was a lot of fun to watch.
The 2 bike choices for Max, I'd personally wait for the new Himalayan. Looks an excellent piece of kit and I assume will be very competitively priced! In terms of the cruiser/tourer, you don't get much more elegant or classic looking than a BMW R18! Or for pure reliability over 20 years, a Honda CMX1100 or the NT1100 for more tourer, less cruiser, if even a Kawasaki Versys
..on the subject of adventure bikes, surely we must talk about the father of the modern ADV bikes, the BMW R/80 GS, got to be a contender for a modern classic, it saved BMW like the Monster did for Ducati.
I sold my 'weekend car' three months ago in the face of obscene running costs. Likewise I am reducing my holidays to 1 abroad and 3 at home per year. If things keep on going up like this I will end up with a tent, camping. It's no laughing matter...
I’ve taken up camping again with the boy and tell you what? I think we both enjoy having breakfast in the forest more than we did lying on a beach far, far away.
For Max, I would suggest the Royal Enfield Super Meteor for the Cruiser, and the CF Moto MT800 for the Adventure bike. That would give him around £6,000 to go touring with or buy some new gear. And with regards to the Livewire going under, Harley Davidson will be following them fairly soon afterwards. I have been watching the audience at Motorcycle Live UK and EICMA on You Tube and all the young people have been flocking to the small 125 and 250 cc's bikes and Harley don't make anything like that. As a retired Product Designer I would have started years ago with bikes that young riders like and want but Harley have their heads too far up their own arses and just didn't market research properly, if at all. You can tell they're not a progressive company just by the products they produce. As such, I will look forward to hearing of their eventual downfall...........
David, sounds like he has it all figured out 👍. When you went to TTT I thought I saw MASH there? Surely you must be considering the Super Meteor or Goldstar as your replacement bike?
Best ever thought came from David, the 70 year young biker riding a Suzuki Gt750; if you’re ever around Düsseldorf David it would be an honour to invite you for either lunch or dinner.
Hi Freddie, on the subject of insurance and in particular bike insurance here in Cyprus it is almost impossible to get fully comp insurance only 3rd party. I have been told that insurance companies here are actually like middle men for UK insurance companies.
Hi Fredie, great podcast, as for the guy after 2 bikes I thought a Honda NC750 for a dual sport and a Kawasaki VN650s for a cruiser as it can be altered to fit each rider
My old Royal Enfield Bullet, ( mid 1980s) Worth nothing then, worth nothing now Goes first kick ridden pretty much every day I have a "spare" engine but as of yet havent needed it ...some of those bikes you spoke about with "silly" prices I dont think I have spent 1/4 on the old enfield ... ONE day I MAY buy a 1960 triumph 650 ,,, ONE DAY ( I doubt it !)
Wow Freddie what a lesson, re cars and bikes. I do like that Guzzi V7 Stone. But, to tall for my short 27 inch inside leg. 😊 Also, if I looked away my Royal Enfield 350 Fireball Yellow, with a host of extras, for 20 years, do you think it will be worth more, than they are new now? For a low mile 2nd hand one, may cost you the guts of £2750. Might be worth the gamble. Maybe. Wee Mark.
Hi Freddie, I have just taken to massive decision to change out my 2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200S for the all new Royal Enfield 452 Himalayan I take delivery on 1st March 2024. The reason is I have just returned from a ‘Ride Through History’ tour France & Spain and I did have a few moments with the weight of the bike (I’m 65) so to be able to carry on riding the new Himalayan is the answer. I cannot wait to do my first tour before going to the ABR Festival at the end of June. The trade in price was ridiculous so what would you recommend the best place to out it for the best price? The Multi has full service history done 18500miles had it Desmo service at 15000miles, has full touring pack. Regards Tim
In 2012 I bought a 2005 Ducati Monster S4R for £5,200. The S version and 2006 was £5,800, so a little over my budget. I kicked myself so many times for not getting the S as when I traded in my S4R in 2018 for £4,600 (to a dealer, so I could have probably gotten what I paid for it if I sold privately), the 2006 S version was already in £10k 😅
Fifty Livewires? Fifty too many. Who'd buy one? And precisely what do they stand for? The original Africa Twin 650 looked better than the first 750, the RD04, which I had for four years. But 15K! No way. You did right to not byt the Ducati Sport Classic. Imagine what you'd have spent on repairs. I love that old H-D Springer. That Mash is good value. Overall, good video, Freddie, although I skip through the car stuff. I have no interest in them. I don't even own one. Two or three wheels for me. Nick J
A lot of those cars you're looking at are not actually selling. Those are listings not sales. A big reason they're being listed is people are seeing the market suddenly turn and those cars they thought were appreciating classics are now actually dropping in price and sellers are grasping at this vision they had of their "modern classics". I was a second hand trader and dealer a way back and this behaviour repeats itself. Yes, the very bottom of the market has risen (the £1,000-2,000 cars) but that is not because of the type of car, that's simply the competition for decent cheap runners - low tax, low insurance, low running cost (they hope). The demand does not translate to higher price brackets for the same era cars.
Hey Freddy, i have 4 motorcycle suggestions which are probably became a modern classic's in the future, they are all modern bikes:Yamaha MT-01, the new VMax, harley -davidson XR1200X, and husaberg fs 650 supermoto. I think that the prices of these 4 bike, will rise up to the sky in the future..👍
Freddie people can ask what they want for a bike/car but my question is do they sell.My mate has a 65 plate V7 with the red frame and chrome tank(beautiful bike)i have since seen the same spec bike on a 14 plate for £7450 which is a lot more for what he paid for his.I note the 14 plate bike has been up for sale for a while now.
Freddie, I told you last week that if you want to invest I a motorcycle, buy a Harley. Here’s a little story. In the late 80’s I bought a 1963 Harley Panhead. A former police bike. I paid $3500. I rode it for 15 years. I took it to a swapmeet in Ohio, and sold it for $10000 cash. One more story, same bike. When I was a newlywed I didn’t have a garage. I parked the old Pan in the kitchen of the duplex we rented. One day while working on it my wife got mad and said I was spending to much money on it. To prove a point, called AD Farrow HD in Ohio and told them I had a used bike for sale. After hearing what it was they offered me $6000 for it sight on seen. After that my wife never bugged me about the old Pan again.
I seriously wonder if they were priced similar as the MV was way way more expensive than any Honda. I remember the MV America coming out . They were amazing I used to see a gent dressed in Tweed and brown suede Chelsea boots riding around the west end of London in the early eighties on one. Ive only ever seen two in the wild. However these boy racer classic cars will drop massively in the next few years..same as most classic bikes . If you think you can predict the market you're very much mistaken
Hi, if Ducati, which I strongly support, why not a ST2 or ST3? Good engine and sound, comfortable and also comfy for your fiance. Example: 1998 ST2 with 20,000km for 3,150€.
I've had a 2000 Ducati Sport touring 916 8v 108bhp 90nm torque. 212 kg. for the last 16 yrs and 100,000kms. very soon a classic.Cost me 3000€ in 2007 @ 12,000kms. Selling price?, no idea as it will never happen 😊 sport bike road holding even with the color matched Nonfango panniers. Stunning Brembo brakes, no modes,no slipper clutch,no ABS, no traction control..heaven.😊/mile
Batteries are still not efficient enough for small vehicles. Right now bigger is better. That's why an SUV goes 300 miles and a bike struggles to get 100 mi. You just can't cram enough batteries into a bike to go any distance.
l owned a bevel drive 900 SS in the late seventies..it cost 2,200 pounds out the door.. l also owned a Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans it cost 1,999 pounds... not at the same time....if l wanted to buy the exact same bike/s now l would need more than my pension would allow.!! At the time of ownership it was love of course....Both those Italian Stallions were streets ahead of Japanese bikes of the time..... never considered what either would be worth forty or so years later...
Hi Freddie, regarding the subject of inexpensive motorcycles, I saw a bike in a local dealership today that really impressed me. The dealership in question is Millennium motorcycle's in St.helens in Merseyside. The bike in question is a Chinese model. The MBP C1002P. £9499 +OTR. It's a 997cc V twin that looks like a cross between an Indian cruiser and the Triumph rocket. Also worth a look is the Voge 300 rally. £3800+ OTR. Both look like incredible value for money.
Moto guzzi stone in Durham Tom Conway motorbikes is perfect bike for you Freddie? That dealer has a brilliant reputation just up the road from me in Bishop Auckland
Italian cars and bikes are almost always bought when new with the heart rather than the head. Therefore, when you buy a classic that does not need to be a reliable daily, the heart can take over and justify paying lots of money. Simples.
100% agree. If you want to make your money make you more money, invest. Or buy a cheaper or multiple family house an rent it out. Buying toys to put up an hope it appreciates is not a great idea. It sometimes works but usually not. Play with your toys an buy cool ones with the money you made on real investments.
Just to torture myself….a friend of mine had a Dad who never sold any of his bikes and who passed away a few years ago. I had a go at valuing my bikes from 1974 if I’d kept them. No exotica but a few Hondas such as a SS50, RS250, VT250, VT500. Kawasaki GPZ600R..I could go on. Kept and sold now? I probably wouldn’t be in the UK now.
Agree with the 60+ theory on bikes from our youth, cars in yours. In both scenarios I can see loads of ads for cars and bikes asking ridiculous speculative prices...............you refer to these advertised prices as values, but they are very far from that. You're talking about very restricted markets, not many buyers that are prepared to invest at the levels being asked, so just how long do these vehicles just sit there unsold with bonkers price tags on them ? It's an interesting conundrum and in the end you're far better off just buying something to use and enjoy and forget about future value which ever way it might go. I buy my bikes and cars with one and only one overriding criteria................the price I pay must realistically be what I can sell it for at some point in the future (or more)................the objective being depreciation free motorcycling and motoring. It works as long as you never let your heart rule your head !
I’ve owned 8 bikes in the last 20 years and lost money on all of them for them to now rocket in value such is life at least I didn’t sell a Dagenham Dustin for nothing and find out 20 years later it’s worth Half a million quid never realised rust was so valuable 😂👍
Lets be fair...most of us dont buy a bike as an investment...... I needed a winter bike and any "classic" dirtbike is 3-5k so I went to fleabay and bought a brand new 411 Himalayan for £4k from Potteries M/C . The point is I now have cheap winter/summer motorcycling with no (or less) breakdown worries and 3years warranty and no MOT's to worry about the insurance is £100 (I had to take out new policy as its a new bike and my other insurance is for classics and I had to have a seperate insurance for my Z900rs for the same reason).
Funnily enough I went to the bike show at the NEC today and was blown away by the RE's, especially their prices. Like you say, a great winter hack but brand new and with a warranty....I'm seriously tempted.
I know it doesn’t effect all your viewers, but ULEZ has stopped us riding bikes between 1984 and approx 2005, unless you pay £12.50 per day to ride one. Ulez coming to city near you. now London is taking in £275million a year so be careful what classic you buy
My thoughts entirely. I reckon an NC750X-DCT is the bike to go for..@@jerhughes500
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I never Commute on my bike, I only use it for enjoying myself in the summer afternoons, letting the stress from Work flow away a little bit each turn. The visceral enjoyment of a big V-twin in a fresh cruiser is the thing that makes it amazing. Why would I get an electric bike without any feeling, without style, without the enjoyable noices. The Electric bikes are nothing more that extremely expensive dish washing machines... I'd rather keep pouring that dinosaur juice down the tank and relax the road. I don't mind an electric car, But never an electric bike.
Freddie, Im thinking of doing scotland and the NC500 in december as I have the month off. Bike of choice XT660. is this a stupid idea? or should I just be cautious and go for it? Any advice would be appreicated. If I do end up doing it, I will have a story, hopefully no crashes on ice. *Touch wood*
I’m not very responsible, so bare this in mind when considering my advice, Sundar… I say do it! You’ll never forget it. The roads will be quiet and it’ll be stunning🏴 Keep me posted if you do it. Someone gave me a tip for cold and wet riding; buy a used skiing one piece (xxl size) ti wear over your biking gear🙂👌🏻👌🏻
Hi sundar! I don’t think your bike is a stupid choice at all,,,, but your proposed route! That’s effin mental mate! Have you been to the north of Scotland in December? I’m a Scotsman myself and I think the weather will be what we call “dreich” at best and what we call “pure shite” at worst. If I had a month off in December I’d be on a ferry to Bilbao and have a nice wee tour round northern Spain! Best o’ luck mate!
As a environmentalist I'm very concerned about the damage caused to our earth as a result of mining for lithium, so l won't be buying electric. Neither can l imagine myself having to plot a course of re- charging stations every time l wish to explore our countryside.
ARGGGHH , Maxine his 20k ,i knew you'd recommend Triumphs , Max gad gad his previous bikes for 20 years and wants the next to last the same , so Triumph are not to with their terrible parts back up and over use of tech , i would say keep the Guzzi or go for a RE 650 bobber and the moto guzzi V85 tt for the adventure bike
About the cars... It would have cost more than 15.000£ to keep a car like that in that immaculate condition for 20-30 years. THAT's why they cost that much now.
