The Origin of Princess Luna's Mysterious Dark Power? 

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Cantersoft when a user edits a comment it gets unpinned, and unhearted

It’s part of her cutie mark

Derpylime AJ did you not watch the video UwU

Kinda Makes sense

Well they just could have made the moon blue/black bc of the white 🤷🏼‍♀️ but had the same thing in my mind for a sec

You have a true point

It really makes sense

@@eralavellan7297 could've also outlined it with black

This theory can explain Luna's stain behind her cutie mark where her choice has altered herself but from season 4 to season 7, she may have come to accept this as part of herself. Then Nightmare Moon and Luna would just be one. It is similar to Daybreaker as Celestia's fear of being tempted by dark magic is reflected through Daybreaker and that cutie mark is also influenced. So maybe this shows temptation can make the good princesses become bad and if they change again, traces of what once affected will always remain like a scar.

If luna can be imprisoned in the moon why not celestia in the sun?

When!?!?!

And what about Twilight? Will she get a stain?

@The Girl with Magic wings ,neither did Luna before she became nightmare moon

Oh thats a great thoery. this should be canon

@@raindows0152 In that episode actually- Starlight shouts "Im not the one dreaming this up!" But Luna was there. I wonder if that was a manifestation of Luna's fears if this is true?

Thats a good theory but I thing it was done because Celestia has white fur and the moon is white sooo the black spot moved too so we can see the moon also Day Bracker was a dream not reality

I'm pasting the comment with the answer because I don't want to write it again I would like to point out the fact that when they switched markings in season 7, when Celestia appeared in Starlight's dream, this darkness from her temporary cutie mark could manifest as Daybreaker, but this theory conflicts with the Halloween episode where Nightmare Moon keeps her form under control, so this one theory doesn't make sense. In the comics, Nightmare was a separate entity and, for example, took control over Rarity, which explains why in this movie, when there was a screenshot of a fragment of the comic with Stygian and Luna, there was another power saying that it had been a long time since they had seen each other (generally, comics have a more extensive lore ). But if we stick to the series, maybe because of the depression that Luna had, and most importantly, who she was, i.e. an alicorn, this grief and depression could manifest into her individual darkness, which gives her magical strength, and Luna, under the influence of bitterness, thought that if she used this power, she would have it. what she wants, besides she was jealous so having such power and being in a weak mental state made her go crazy and wanted to kill Celestia. Yes, it was probably not a second evil personality (now there will be a part that may be difficult to understand). Even if the people in the songs were as if Nightmare Moon was a separate entity, it makes sense with the comics, but not with the TV series, but if we combined it with the TV series, I would say that Nightmare Moon's personality is seen and heard only by Luna. What I mean is that she is not real in terms of being and personality, and it can be said that when Luna was depressed, her brain unconsciously accumulated this darkness and in order to artificially "help" Luna, he invented Nightmare Moon, which was as if her conscience, common sense, which told her that you can do it differently and "better". Even after the transformation, she was not controlled by any personality, rather she was obsessed with the desire for revenge, which explains why in season two, in the Halloween episode, she easily changed into her "Evil" form and vice versa. This theory still makes sense in season five, when Luna tells Tantabus that let's do it as soon as possible or something, which suggests that her laughter after the transformation was fake, and when Tantabus escapes from Luna's dream, Luna behaves really normally and reacts with panic. To sum up my theory, Luna does not have a second personality in her head, she only has a dark power that enhances the effects of her magic. Someone will say, but if she can easily turn into Nightmare Moon, why doesn't Luna use this power. The reason is simple, it is simply that this power is a dark and rather unfriendly power that can be difficult to control or bring back bad memories or cause the user to go mad.

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I would scream Ree for another thousand years

@Amy Cheang (571amychea) ok... i didn't say anything about that...

I demand you to watch my video

It's a nice idea, but then that would mean she wasn't able to in the past, but in a way that explains a bit more if you were to go into depth

Which is actually plausible, since when Celestia had to do it she got the black spot too

Abi Likes_Blu true

@@abilikes_blu3191 Celestia only got black spot because otherwise white moon would look blank on her butt. The spell was only supposed to swap marks.

@@KuK137 I think if the black part didn't go to Celestia then they would make the moon have a yellow or purple tint to it.

True makes sense

Actually good point 👍

But in the past scene we saw she already had the black spot so maybe when the jealousy and anger was arising within her it then spawned and not just when she turned to nightmare moon

Well, yeah, that does make sense. That dark spot in her cutie mark could be formed when she was filled with jealousy and transformed into wicked, evil version of herself. And after she was reformed the mark becomes a symbol and a reminder of what she used to be. And now the splotch is staying on her flank with her, forever. Along with her guilt of becoming Nightmare Moon... Welp, I escalated it pretty quickly.

Stains of Corruption... Neat...

Bro why are all celstia toys pink. SHE'S WHITE NOT PINK HHHHHH

@@Therealrutile well actually, if you were to look even closer, or use an eyedropper in an art program, you'd see that she's an incredibly light shade of pink.

No 1 likes that, it's to boring

@@prettylion4836 yeah, but the toys make it way too dark most of the time. It's often a similar colour to the colour that Celestia's mane had when she was younger. I have seen some that are even darker than that

@@yurigacha-san1367 😂😂Yeah. They probably do that so you could see the eyes or something like that.

Yeah to me it seems like the marks represent their evil sides

Ye

Ja

Yea

That's what I thought too

This is the most logical thing ever

@@Cantersoft yep

Jack Sexton I beileve That Luna is a part of the mind of Luna she’s me and that I’m the way she’s a Princess

@@Cantersoft True, and we know there's multiple ways to do this because- (Spoilers for MLP late season 9 dead ahead) When Chrysalis, Cozy Glow, and Tirek learned Grogar was really Discord they used 'Grogar's' bell to absorb his chaotic power and then transferred some of that power to themselves, meaning there might be multiple other ways to absorb someone else's power

Jack Sexton well in the episode Do princesses dream of magic sheep? The thing got bigger depending on her guilt

:OOOOOO omg what would Cadence and Twilight's dark side look like :O

Then why would daybreaker (Celestia's evil side) have the same exact mark just a different color? To me it seems like that the marks represent their other sides.

i didnt even notice that!

YES CORRECT!!! IF CELESTIA TURNS INTO DAYBREAKER ONE DAY THEN SHE WILL HAVE A DARKNESS SIGN WHICH IS JUST SHE COULD TURN INTO DAYNREAKER IF SHES REALLY MAD!!!!

Absolutely true

I'm pretty sure the marks are a representation of their other sides. Like a constant reminder that,that was who they used to be, or can become again.

I agree with aycxia

good because they can’t get along

Yesh

Lol-

Oh god not him...

@@Cantersoft I think a reason why it's not in the book is because like in our world,books usually don't contain everything,they just summarize stuff.Like..in the bible it doesn't say if Jesus has any weird markings on his butt either . +I don't know if it was revealed who wrote the book but if it was a generic pony,they might never have met Luna personally and therefor the heritage only mentioned things that were widely known about the princesses,like what they did and what cutiemark they have. (Especially because Celestia is quite incorrect there too,her wings are rose coloured instead of white,her mane is rose instead of rainbow-ish and there is no height difference between the two even though Luna is significantly smaller than Celestia)

Celestia's coat is a very light Shade of pink

@@maxzapsgamingzepzeap2337 same thing XD

@@Cookiethekitty-xl7cz Anyways both the splotch going to her to make the moon noticeable and it being her inner darkness could be true, and transfering that darkness to Celestia in A Royal Problem could've created Day Breaker

@@maxzapsgamingzepzeap2337 day breaker was a dream that starlight had. starlight made up day breaker. and i think that nightmare moon isnt a part of luna, its darkness, hate, anger, and insecurity looking to infect somepony. i think that when luna and celestia banished sombra, some of the darkness that made him evil, transferred to luna and slowly built up enough with luna's insecurity and feeling unnoticed brought out nightmare moon.

@@Cantersoft That Yin and Yang reference really makes me feel like this is a form of split personality enhanced by magic. It feels like the dark magic of the Pony of Shadows latched onto the more negative feelings Luna was having and fragmented her mind into a negative half and positive half. What if neither can truly destroy the other but the dormant one cannot force their way into control? Because if you think about it, its implied that Luna had to give in to the darkness willingly to become Nightmare Moon. This would mean that the Elements of Harmony didn't destroy Nightmare Moon but rather restrained her and forced Luna back into control, but Nightmare Moon fully remains in Luna. Like you say, its like Yin and Yang; one cannot exist without the other and so neither can truly be destroyed. So if Luna were ever to be convinced to give in to the darkness again, she could easily release Nightmare Moon once more. (though that's unlikely to ever happen) This kinda seems like a parasite of darkness. The magic finds a host and forms a symbiotic relationship with it, creating a new personality with power greater than either one had on their own. Add to that that it cannot easily be contained, escaping in some form both times its host was banished from the world, and this has to easily be one of the most dangerous lifeforms in the world. Right up there with the Parasprites..

@@Cantersoft You're welcome, and thank you as well! If it wasn't for this video I wouldn't have given this as much thought, tbh. I never really even considered the idea that the splotch was something more as I'm not so eagle eyed as the fans that spot stuff like the splotch remaining when her magic was drained but being swapped with Celestias cutiemark. This video and these comments are what opened up this whole line of thought for me in the first place, so I'm just happy I could contribute :D I've Subbed and turned notifications on, and I look forward to your next video on the subject if you decide to make one after all.

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@@g1jetfireandrainbowdash798 basically

This is probably the reason why we see Daybreaker in that episode with Celestia dark side.

😂😂😂 True

Lol

Lol xD

Cantersoft LOL

Yessss!!!YOURRRR RIGHT!!!!! THAT BLACK THING FROM LUNA IS LIKE A DARKNESS!BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT CELESTIAS CUTIE MARK SHE DOES NOT HAVE A THING IN HER CUTIE MARK BECAUSE IF.. YOU WATCHED WHEN NIGHTMARE MOON AND DAYBREAKER FIGHTS YOU CAN SEE THAT DAYBREAKER STRONGER VERSION OF CELESTIA HAS A MARK LIKE THAT THING LUNA HAS TO! ITS THE ROYAL PROBLEM!LOOK AT DAYBREAKERS STRONGGER VERSION OF CELESTIA HAS A 5HING LIKE THAT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luna is blue tho, not purple, but that is interesting to think about

Thank :3

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@@ev9702 I said something along those lines too

True....

If that's the case then why did daybreaker have the same mark? I think it's a representation of their evil sides (even though daybreaker was only a dream it's still a pretty good image of what could happen if Celestia was the one to go evil)

And could explain the same for Celestia who probably felt the same too.

👌 👍 Ok

It also makes sense because daybreaker had the same Mark that Luna/ nightmare moon has

This should have more than 129 likes

YOu my friend helped me with my Theory. I noticed the NMM had the Purple Cloud, and Luna has the Black cloud. that akin to matching tatoos. This shows a bit more that Luna and NMM ARE NOT the same pony but connected as BFFs or something

I think as Luna it represents the darkness that once was part of her since daybreaker also had a stain around her cutie mark in Starlight Glimmer's dream.

YASS

Like Yin and Yang

So it's the Cutie Mark of her Ying and Her Yang.

Maybe both...

ikr?

^thank you for looking at this realisticly

They could’ve easily outlined it. Though I will say it is very likely a continuity error or something of the sort, it’s just a theory to explain the lore and if a show is gonna be lazy or have continuity errors, you get these theories that could’ve been easily explained instead with “well, it could’ve been to make things easier/they forgot” But.. you have to understand that it’s reasonable to make these theories if it goes against the story’s previous logic.

If you look closely, you can see that she is actually light pink not white

Alivia Faline close enough, the moon would’ve been hard to see anyway

What

you can't use Daybreaker, she was never real. Starlight Glimmer's dreaming mind created her. NMM was real in the pysical world of Equestria.

@@blazwings1021 But she's canon

_Yeah_

IFlied True no offense but LOL thats werid

Its true. I reaaally love mlp, and I'm 18. But he is really overthinking everything 😂 like the show is actually just a computer drawing. And when something is not logical, they just say "nevermind. Kids won't care" and than we start to think about a solution.

I can’t watch season 9 still :c

IFlied Rude >:(

It was like she was put into a stasis pod, she looked just as she did when she was first put into the Moon (before she turned into nightmare Moon) but when she was freed her age caught up with her as the days went on and so did her magic.

Nice theoies....

That would actually be really cool, if some ponies had multiple phase cutie marks, representing multiple talents and/or multiple pieces to their destinies.

@@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix Now that you say it, yeah!

I think its because she became nightmare moon?

@@PurpleRozy The splotch was there before she was Nightmare Moon though

Like I said to a different commenter who theorized the same thing: That’s not possible considering the timeframe though. Luna herself said that she created the Tantabus, and I quote: “to punish myself for the evil I caused as Nightmare Moon.” If that’s the case, then she must’ve created it after she was turned back. However, she already has the dark blotch in the earliest memory we see of her, which is the one of Discord’s first defeat. Discord was turned to stone before Luna was banished, so the dark blotch being the Tantabus wouldn’t make any sense.

That’s what I was thinking. I thought maybe it was the tantapus still connected to her

Yes the episode was called "Do Princesses Dream of magic Sheep?"

I thought of that too! I commented it after I saw this though. I DID NOT COPY YOU

Yah me too

but turning her hair into different color is just a fan animation in canon she has 4 color (4 color isn' a rainbow BTW, true rainbow has 7 colors) also before banishing Luna.

Yeah!! I also noticed that!!

lol it’s probably for generation 5

It was answered in the comic nightmare rarity

@@starrynight5730the show often discredits the comics

*ended* ;-;

@@starrynight5730 How? Also the show apparently often discredits the comics so that comic explanation could be a part of some alternate timeline

maybe it's some kind of magical scar

But why did she originally only have a moon cutie mark? Cutie marks dont just change over time.

cutie marks don't change over time, at first it wasn't there.

But she did not make the sky go dark it celestia who make sky dark beacause when she sets the sun the sun goes so when there is no light properly it will be dark such a simple explanation it does not make sense

Daybreaker also had a mark like luna. But it was orange

@@BlueFox394. EXACTLY!

She stopped working on the show after season 2 but I think she had planned a Grogar kind of final villain who was responsible for all the villains she had made

Yeah, where is our explanation?

Also if you go and look back when Celestia and Luna first fought discord, her dark splotches were still there and that would’ve been before she became nightmare moon

Yes it could be possible since changelings do feed on love tyreks magic is kinda related to gluttony and how moony's amazing ability to controll and manipulate dreams is amazing. But honestly why are we still surprised celestia likes to keep nightmare moon herself almost permanently trapped in a state that's exactly like torture 24 four hours a day?! To get information from her is difficult frustrating not to mention extremely painful!!!

Pretty much but everyone are so deadset in their tragic beleif to just put down the vague idea that tia is not a saint far from it in fact nightmare moon's bactstory is a tragic and painful one.

Actually Celestia's coat is a very light shade of pink

That makes a lot of sense considering that no matter what moony is a part of luna and moony is far more capable of snuffing out light.honestly moony is a nightmare and nightmares dont go away they just kinda get bigger the more you acknowledge their presence accelarating still I would love to see if nightmare moon's reign could last forever

Yeah thats my entire point

Yeah. It was specifically a visual tool and nothing else.

Smart

Very very smart never thought of that

aight, this made me snort too loud😂😂😂

@@t.krum.9815 lmao I'm glad it made someone laugh

I think luna just has a few flaws

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The IDW comics are not canon so they are not reliable as a source of information.

Nightmare moon would be perfect in fnaf 4

Bootifully underrated

oh wow? How cool.

SimplyMeh bruh batim is dead

HA

I don't follow

I love how you mixed Miraculous ladybug with this XD

YES! Also "the dark mark" like Voldemort you there bruh?

@@violettethekawaii9417 Exactly. Wow, there are loads of famous series that have many things in common. 🤔 Hmmm...maybe it's those things that make them famous.

Holy shit youre right

Yeah. Because her magic would be same as Dark Magic and Destructive but uses the powers of "good" negatively. There's many shows and series to support this and also there's a video game series (Mario)

I think so too

Probably animation errors..

Or possibly, it could’ve been because it was showing us our perspectives on how we see them, while maybe actually they didn’t looked like that.

@@Cantersoft :))))

Lol!

I’m not a brony, but I still love MLP at 13 :/

@@xxthat_weird_enbyxx2438 um that IS A Brony.......

Yep i just taped on this vid i havent watched my little pony for years

Ehjup

HAHAHAHA

yea basically, celestia’s dark side (daybreaker) is basically nightmare moon but it’s celestia that’s why she got the black spot I think it’s just a theory sorry if I don’t make sense

Uhm yeah that's an obvious one 😂😂

Nice reply because I think so she is really beautiful that's why I love her because she is very is that Ku because I think so where she is very in the that colour at shider is very beautiful she is also my favourite Pani nice reply

Celestia never roamed through people's dreams like Luna, she only raised the sun and moon while Luna was in the Moon.

I also found it strange how Celestia acted when taking on Luna's duties in the episode. Like when she raised the Moon and said: "It's even easier than raising the Sun!" Wasn't she doing it for a thousand years? Than again, she seemed to know how to open a portal to the dream realm.

@Everything Girly She was probably trying to show off for Starlight

Not likely

@@willowthegamrthedrowned6351 you missed the joke

@@ChakraDragons wut is the joke?

@@willowthegamrthedrowned6351 It's a joke

Ah crap someone else said it. Yes, this is what I think too.

She had no magic or well... Her magic was drained

If youve finished the series in the last episode Twilight turns into a God mode alicorn like Celestia and Luna and I wreckon if her magic was drained then she'd turn back for a short while

Maybe but the battle was not offically shown in the series tho...