The Origin of the name Shona - Zimbabwean History 

I agree man we have beautiful history thousands of years I think spreading knowledge like this will help strength the Zimbabwean mentality

@@_genova6230 indeed and not just Zim even the rest of Africa and the diaspora. I see Zim being mentioned all the time in African history videos and topics its a believed region and part of African history

Thank you so much, I really appreciate that

He is very wrong about a lot of things.

@@kpaxchocho3327 such as?

Thank you

It was officiated in that year by Clement Doke yes, but had long been thought of. Prior to that, it was Kalanga then Karanga for all "Shona" people. Shona groups are related to Kalanga and Venda people, they are under Kalanga nation if it's ever to be a thing. Karanga history is similar to Ndebele, in that while Ndebele history began when Mzilikazi left SA and came to settle elsewhere with his own nation, Karanga/shona people too shoot off from Kalanga and went to settle elsewhere and became their own nation. Both of their relation with their sires remains but they became independent from them. 1: KALANGA to KARANGA Kalanga was dropped at Great Zimbabwe where Kalangas settled along with Hungwe, Mbire, Remba who were arriving into Masvingo areas of Zimbabwe, influenced from said speakers resulted in the drop of L from Kalanga becoming Karanga. These people would become known as Karanga (this was before, rozvi, nyai, korekore etc. came up) following the death of Mavhudzi Chibatamatosi father of Nyatsimba Mutota, his cousin/brother Mukwati who wanted the throne decided to fight with him and said "ibve togwa" (saka torwa, so then we will wrestle/fight in Karanga (original shona) - he managed to beat Mutota because he was unprepared, and he started being called Togwa due to his statement and his willingness to battle for what he wanted hence Togwa Mukwati. 2: KARANGA to KOREKORE Meanwhile, Nyatsimba Mutota left GZ with people who believed in him, they wanted place to go to and he remembered a beautiful place he had been too before his father's death looking for salt and minerals etc., this a place in Zambezi valley. So he took the people and went there upon arriving, he was met with the Tonga and Tavara who lived there, last time he came looking for things so they were friendly as they are relative however this time he was coming for permanent residence so they fought and he won. He then settled in the dande area near Zambezi, what would happened next is where the name change occured. See, these Karangas would move year by year trying to find the perfect place to settle and start building their kingdom due to this the Tavara called them "VeGore ne Gore", and this name stuck and was later altered to Vagoregore then Vakorekore ("those of year by year"). After settling, Nyatsimba Mutota removed his totem of Moyo chirandu and chose Nzou Samanyanga as to show he was bigger than his enemies. He would marry a lot of women, first from Karanga who he had come with, and from the Tonga and Tavara, he married them to show the Tonga and Tavara people that even though they had fought on his arrival, they would fight no more and would be family, hence marrying women from their tribes. He had approximately 200 wives according to history give or take. 2.2 Karanga to Buja These people are a Korekore peoples, they are a shoot of from Korekore with influences from the Sena/Barwe people, hence why there are some differences. i'll explain the rest later im getting lazy to keep typing😂😂😂😂😂 Venda people from what I know are heavily related to Karanga of Masvingo and Kalanga of Matabeleland - who also happen to be related or where once one people as stated above. The Ngona are the original Venda according to Venda history, and they mixed with Kalanga and also Karanga-Rozvi people.

It was originally the karanga or kalanga

The Name Shona points to a Language not a Tribe

Thank you please tell them before we continue spreading lies. Shona is a group of languages given by the colonialisits in 1920s. The tribe is KARANGA and the our cousins KALANGA and BAKGALAKA(Pedi)

@@ssjr3604 KALANGA and KARANGA and BAKGALKA(pedi) are separate tribes but cousins

Thank you so much for the support, I really appreciate, I've seen your comments lately, will definitely workmon more history videos

@@ZimTechGuy I am just interested in learning more about zim. The videos are nicely put together and narrated. I sure putting all these video takes at lot of effort to put together. Good work.

@@cyberphox1 It's the research that takes a lot, but putting it together I actually don't mind, lol, thanks

Thank you really appreciate that!

Glad you like them

When i first leant about it, I was surprised as well

That's great man

Im a Ndau but speak Tsonga, would love to learn Chindau

@@dallastyle2009 Whose we you dirty creol.

Venda and Tsonga too, recent names to gather tribes into similar groups

@@dallastyle2009 hw?

Shona has nothing to do with any hindu B.S we are not untouchables have a good life.

@@consulargeneral8136 read to comprehend

B​@@consulargeneral8136 stupidity at best

hmmmmm. Interesting.

Thanks man, really appreciate that

@@ZimTechGuy You are welcome

Neanderthals were the original inhabitants of europe.

​@@marigoldbeam5475😂😂😂😂😂

Hey Moses where can I get more info on the Zezuru’s. I am a Zezuru and would like to learn more about myself and my history as someone who was raised outside of the country

Awesome, which one is right between kharanga and Khalanga? This is confusing.

@@TeamGstyl Hi, At the moment I am not in the country, but if you are, I guess the best place to start is the University of Zimbabwe. Then you can visit the Zezuru cultural village in Norton, if it is still there. Most of the elders I knew have now passed on, and I do not know if they have been replaced. Failing that you have to visit one of the chiefs in Chivhu, Chikomba, or Buhera. You will also find that there are different types of Zezurus. Alternatively, you can have online access to documents about Zezurus from different British, Portuguese libraries and Universities. I hope these few suggestions will help.

@@nnmzulu.401 Both, Kalanga and Karanga. They are all Shonas from the same place, but they sound different. I guess pure Karanga will be hard for me to understand. I do speak modern Karanga though. However, Kalanga to me is the main Shona, and I hope to learn that one day.

@@mosestogarepi2427 I'm a Zezuru from Mhondoro Chivero which is in Mashonaland west Province, I'm also interested in learning more about our tribal history

Hi Joseph, i don't have any specific books but have you tried the National Archives?

@@ZimTechGuy no sir pls if you have a like of the text please help

We have nothing to do with any hindu untouchables have a good life.....

@@consulargeneral8136 pardon?… Neither do we.

@@consulargeneral8136 just searched for Hindu untouchables and that seems more Indian than anything not even close to African sir.

@@DenisTravels good stay in india currycel....

Spot on

Interesting how an Ndebele wants to remove the Shona line from Zimbabwe. Pretty transparent motivation.

This is fun because a literal white man made us use this term. The people living in the lands we now recognise as the country of Zimbabwe were divided into two major tribes as part of the efficient and apparently, effective colonial project. Hence you have kalanga people being absorbed into ndebele even though the other southern african offshoots of people who use this language have more in common with people who call themselves ''shona'' and the language than the ndebele e.g the kalanga in Botswana. Just like shona, the ndebele tribe was created to absorb everyone else in that region, the only rhyme and reason being: colonization. Nothing about how we identify now has anything to do with what existed then or even makes sense to anything outside of the white, capitalist, colonial and imperialist project of that time.. I'm sorry to tell you this but whatever alliances we have now are a mere colonial construct that allowed for a more efficient takeover. Notable mention to maize meal for Sadza because our indegenous grains are way too labour intensive and took away far too much valuable time that was otherwise required for the purposes of building the white man's wealth and what they believed would always be their continent back then :'D

but many ndebeles say karanga/kalanga is not shona

@@jackholman5008 We must educate ourselves and correct the misrepresentation of identies.

@@jackholman5008 Karanga and Kalanga are two different things. Your comment is more relevant to Kalanga. I dont know whether you Matavire's song Kisimusi. The dude who says moyo wajunguluka ndili kuda ku pancha is speaking in Kalanga

@@muzimbamabaka5412Kalanga and Karanga people are almost the same people the dialect is slightly different. Any Karanga people will understand the Kalanga language cause the words are the same, lifestyle, culture is the same even the foodstuff is the same. The dance, drum beats is the same. Iam a Karanga myself and observed it.

You know that masvina is an insult

Ndau aren't Nguni at all whether linguistically or genetically, they were just influenced by Nguni

Says a Nguni

They are Nguni,by settled before Mfecane the word Ndau came from the word sidinda iNdawo in English we are looking for place

@@nkazimulothabethe7791 are you guys desperate or what?You like to claim everyone

@@nkazimulothabethe7791 Should we also claim that the Shona are from Asia just because there is a place called Chennai there?

He said likely.... meaning it's a possibility but not a certainty

It's part of the Bantu languages, we are one my brother

Yeah, i watch ugandan dramas and i understand 50%. They have totems like ours too, nzou, soko etc, with different names

One Africa,One Love

Hebrew is similar to Shona as well.

It because languages found there are Bantu and words interchange

He stated Hindi as the origin of Sona

U probably believe it's mzilikazi who named them right 🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@@foxbat473we have nothing to do with any hindu untouchables have a good life....

@DumaM-ir7rk Duma Whether what you saying is correct or not the fact is Mzilikazi from KwaZulu once ruled Zimbabgwe and If Munangagwa or you were to be voted to run Zimbabgwe then it is the choice of the people who live on the land. It does NOT matter where you come from in Zimbabgwe because Zimbabgweans have big brains and only look to the future and do you know who is always looking into the past?. And they do not even look into the whole past but the past that can only cause division on tribal lines. I do not think they will succeed though

Africa got its name from Scipio Africanus a Roman Army General

I have no Indian influence. Instead I influence India I am Zimbabwean Kalanga pure breed from Plumtree

@@foxbat473 pfutseke!.lies...

@@foxbat473 its good to hear from some one in full support of indo Aryan agenda and inforcing it yet again.

@@shanewalkingdead8258 shut up

From my understanding, Karanga and Kalanga were once one tribe that was split during the fall of Mapungubwe (that word is known as Mhungubwe in karanga/shona btw). One group (which began to call itself Karanga) went to build Great Zimbabwe with Rusvingo (luswingo in venda and kalanga) as the capital i believe. Modern day Shonas (all tribes included), Kalangas, Vendas and Nambyas I believe all have a similar beginning. They came with an ancestor who led them Tovera in shona, Thobela in tjikalanga, Thovhele/Thovhela in Venda, he had a son Mambiri/Mambire (there is places named after him somewhere in Tanzania and Zimbabwe) and its people (who are a shona people too) are known as Vambire/Vambiri, there is also Vahungwe etc. Rozvi was Moyo totem of course which means heart it shona-kalanga or rather karanga-kalanga which gives a clearer view that the people were all related but scattered by building different kingdoms on the zimbabwe-southafrica-mozambique and botswana plates. and the settlement of other bantu groups would later influence them even more, creating further distinctions in the languages. E.g. Ndau people (a manyika people) were raided by Gaza Nguni people some ran and some intermarried with them, and as a result, they adopted some nguni words and clicks and surnames. But when speaking, Dhona groups will understand Ndau and not Nguni people because Ndau is still very much close to Manyika. Tovera/Thobela/Thovele descendants language similarities with spelling differences. Vendas says Thohoyandou and Shonas says Sororenzou Domboshaba in Kalanga is Domboshava in "shona" Tjangamire in Kalanga is Changamire in "shona" Because of this relationship, one can say that even though GZ and Mutapa were Karanga kingdoms the people living under the states would have been of different tribes such as Venda, Nambya, Karanga, Kalanga etc. as they are known today. Vhavenda in particular are a karanga/kalanga people with influence from sotho-tswana particularly Bapedi, that's why certain words sound familiar to a shona or kalanga person as well as sotho-tswana people.

No correction they where homogenous bantu speaking groups that ended forming the named groups zezuru, karanga, korekore, manyika to so called shona a word from indo Germanic Aryan agenda colonial regime.

Rubbish! No Bantu speaking group had anything to do with the construction of these ancient ruins. In fact these ruins predate the arrival of the Bantu. The Bantu found these ruins, as ruins. If the "Shona" were the builders? How come not a single Shona tribe lived in stone buildings? To this day not a single traditional "Shona" stone masonry tool has been discovered. Not even a hammer or a mallet of any kind. No protractor, no level, no chisel, no plumb blob. Nothing! As do the Bantu not possess any understanding of simple arithmetic, let alone mathematics. They didn't even have numeracy! We all know someone was responsible for the construction. As do we know who was not! And it was not any Bantu tribe.

​@@PhansiKhongolozago to great Zimbabwe today there is a community of shona karanga people still living there same goses for the other drystone walled settlements stop lieing. So why did the rhodhesian fighters during the chimurenga in Zimbabwe place cement in their water fountain to prevent the inhabitants from helping the gorilla fighters .

@@consulargeneral8136 I have visited the place many times. Those dwellings are new. Nowhere near as old as the ruins! Do stop being delusional. And mostly please stop making up history! Especially stealing other people's history. Man up and admit you have invented and developed nothing of any use to mankind.

Indians used to trade with Africa before the coming of the AngloSaxons. The Arabs and Chinese as well.

Research India Africa trade

Nothing would have to be forced down your throat if you did your own research

Never heard of the Indian Ocean trade network?? The Mutapa empire was a source of gold for the Asian world, the Swahili and Somali were the middle men and through their port cities, Arabs Indians and even Chinese merchants came through. Artifacts from Asia have been found in the Great Zimbabwe ruins if you didn't know. And btw Indians are not Semitic they're Dravidian and Indo actually genetically and lingustically related to Europeans, Iranians etc) in the North.

Just because you are unaware of information or the information doesn't fit YOUR narrative doesn't make it propaganda. A simple google search would have answered your question. The ancestors of the Shona had a very long trading relationship with India which Arab historians say dates back as far as the 9th century AD. Seyouna, the name referenced in the video, was, in fact, the name of a town built on the Zambezi near modern-day Sofala. The Arabs called this area The Sofala of Gold. The Hindi word for gold is Sona. The eventual name used to reference the people there became variations of this...MaSona, MaSena, MaShona.

I was thinking the same thing as well, before i did research!

@@ZimTechGuy no offence intended to anyone just sharing. x

@@ZimTechGuy what dumb research when we made it cannon in our educational system, I'm seeing strange things on the internet all of a sudden kaffirs mulattoes from Mozambique are identifying as shona but started of as claiming to be jews WTF??. It seems not shocked they have started claiming my history as theirs. Apparently now they the kaffirs have a totem known as the shava with B.S chief they made up who never stayed in that area in mbira that area was bought it belongs to a family .Salt on the wound whenever I try finding research about actual barwe people my people it seems to be removed in favour of this indo aryan narritive of sena people who are Portuguese kaffirs claiming to be jewish and of yemenese descent . I tried reporting this but to my avail on google nothing . I will never take pitty again on anyone who claims to be suffering under dha white man i have seen who you are and with my permission i would like to see those guilty permanently removed regardless of the method used to do so.

@@foxbat473 confused country 😕

@@sbukubheka4009 we are not so called Shona we are Shona 😉

@@foxbat473 interesting. can you please refer me a link about Zulu people settling in mapungubwe with other southern African tribes such as venda, shona and etc. thanks foxbat

@@mkosinyoni1145 i am currently in place where i cant but i will give you first week of December, the book title and page and the library which the book is in along with library book registration number. Book says they settled in a Venda/shona kingdom. King Shiriyedenga was king of Mapungubwe, look him up in the mean time also check the origins of the Rain Queen Modjadji of Balobedu they are actually shona.

@@foxbat473 you welcome pal. cheers mate I will be waiting.

Whose we when was there ever a we.

That's a communist star

Which lot?

I often wondered at my maiden name bring found in the Bible. It was clear to me that we must share some sort of common ancestry. Language is fascinating...

Who are to say that?? What tribe are you firstly??

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as a southerner, do u know when mzilikazi fled shaka, he was bound to go to a known place? now think of it this way, will tt place he was bound to go have no name? or its pipo ?

@@mantibba3435 your comment is not that clear ,however let ME try respond,I'm not sure of the yr and date when he fled kzn ,If shaka did not follow him he was going to settle in MP or NW.

@@siyabulelamlungwana8181 never in mpumalanga, cz of its proximity... yes probably to the tswanaz... infact most nguni pipo of southern were emissaries of the great monomotapa empire who just defaulted in pursuit of the khoi and san pipo. All you pipo belong to the Shona great maltitude... linguistically your languages are younger than the Shona or swahili or lingala or buganda.. of wc thiz are close to Shona . All sepedi, shangaan, ngoni languages i believe were formed frm mixing wth khoi, griqua, san.. to borrow the clicquing tones. Nway thats the history you should learn ... All southerners were part of the Munhu mutapa empire

@@mantibba3435 if shaka did not follow mzilikazi, mzilikazi was going settle in PTA ,this is what elders tell me now.all people belonging to tshona NO NO NO NO that is lie again .my blood has NO tshona in it NO NO .tshona people are from west and central africa .Tshona people are so different from xhosas,tswanas, ndebeles sothos and San speaking people. tone they speak as if they are fighting just like west and central africans.I will kill myself if I discover I have tshona blood in me.i cannot stand the language and people.