The F4 bombing computer had a "missile" mode. In that you tossed the AGM 45 into a "basket" area where it could lock onto the missile guidance radar and follow it into the target. I was a F4C/D/E Weapons Control Specialist for 20 years.
I’m wondering how does tossing a missile work? A missile has a motor. So it’s gonna fire taking the missile upwards. As it’s going up, how does the nose come back down to seek the radar signal? I’m curious.
@@hushpuppykl the aircraft dives and pulls up releasing the missile. The missile motor doesn't fire until a pre determined time after it is "tossed". Which would be above the target area and it's seeker scans for the radiated beam from the SAM launcher. There is also a dive toss mode for standard bombs so the aircraft doesn't have to expose itself to anti aircraft fire from the target area. I spent many a long night calibrating the radar and bombing system on F4's because pilots wrote up malfunctioning bombing system because they missed the target.
@@terrydouglas5008 ... aaaaaaaah! Ok. Got that. I know about the tossing of dumb bombs. How much further does it get when tossed? So is it fun riding that roller coaster? 😈
Thanks, it's people like YOU who made my life difficult as an air defense gunner and forced us to come up with all kinds of creative ways of using an M163A1 self propelled Vulcan without turning on the radar. I hate working harder than I have to.
Before The History channel started rewriting history and spreading misconceptions. And most importantly, before documentaries started using the 90s action movie trailer voice. It's so difficult to find good US made documentaries. Even if you find one that's informative and factual, it's unwatchable if it has trailer-guy narrating :(
Ah yes, way back in the 90s... in the year 2004. I for one can't understand a thing these alzheimer ridden boomers are yapping about , so dunno about "informative". The music fucks tho.
The music that starts at 50:33 is a pretty good imitation of the Santana song _Smooth,_ which contains the repeated line "just forget about it." Kind of funny. Terrific documentary.
My coworker tested Shrike missiles at NAS Alameda. I worked across the aisle on Phoenix missile. I still remember the main office PA announcing "Shrike Shop Line 2. Shrike Shop."
My dad had a commendation in his service record for a "technical advancement" he suggested while he was air-crew in Vietnam. Along with the commendation was a transfer to China Lake. In 1966. All I know about what he did there was it had something to do with ranging radars and was still classified when he retired more than a decade later and years after that. I have a sneaky suspicion this may have been what he was working on, and why everything from then out was always "special projects". Was actually hoping he might have been in some of the footage, but he wasn't. Knowing "Erase" techs on the Navy side were dispersed in 1969 explains so much of my childhood.
And now there are Small Diameter Bombs with wings that can be flying to a set of coordinates, realise their GPS signal is being jammed and break off and go and kill the jammer.
I can't imagine the stress of hearing the deedle, seeing the red light, and knowing there is a telephone pole flying at mach 3 right for you. Flight Sims do not do it justice, there are no consequences for being hit in a Sim.
Don't forget about the Standard missile turned into air launched anti radiation missile, the AGM-78, also the Navy used ship launched Talos missile to track and kill enemy radars in North Vietnam
That was a way better doc than i expected when i started it. Doesnt get boring lots of footage and the folks they inferview are obviously knowledgeable and proud of the system.
Much like how we police brass in the military, I'm sure they collected as much as they could to melt down and reuse. I'm fairly sure that many of those 4,000 fired weren't equipped with explosives, making it easier to recover and repurpose the metal.
Agm 78 standard missile was fear by North Vietnamese SA 2 troopers beside Cluster Bombs and Iron Bombs, AGM 78 missile the memory chip, 180 degree turn radius and 56 mi out of the Sam range. The Agm 45 missile has 25 % success rate in Vietnam war, but it was there from the beginning did its job well. Thanks for this video for years, I being searching for a video on the early AGM anti Radars missiles system.
25% is a probability to explode within 20m (within this radius damage is possible) from SA-2 operating in track mode when Shrike comes from +/- 10 degrees from the radar boresight line. And when no counter-actions are made by radar operators. But no kill or damaged are guarateed in this case. In real combat the efficiency of ARMS may be 10 or more times lower.
@@konstantinstepanovich7792 Wild Wiesel's tactics is to provoke radar into locking one of them so other can fire ARM at radar that already switched to lock on mode. Once you lock on it's all over for you- SAM radar operator have to either switch off radar and start moving immediately which create a window of opportunity for strike aircraft to find and destroy them while they were on the move with iron bombs or Zuni rockets or switch off their radar and turn it on later which worked against Shrike but didn't work against Standard since it had a memory chip. North Vietnamese enjoyed success at the beginning of the war when American are new to SAM threat but at the end of the conflict American proved they could outsmart SAM and strike at Hanoi and Haiphong with impunity (Linebacker 2). Thanh Hoa Bridge was destroyed by Phantoms and Corsairs using smart ammunition while flying directly over heavily defended area in 1972, suffering 0 loses. The loses to SAM in later phrase of war is laughably low, much lower than that inflicted by AAA. This should be enough as proof of how effective ARM were.
@@konstantinstepanovich7792 -3+3 degree was the angle the AGM 45 on Fighter Bomber or bomber beside the Shrieks AGM 45 missile was passive Radar Homing the Accuracy when used correctly and the SA2 sam site operators stay up was 20 feet the blaster destruction and damage range was 49 meters or 53.557 yards within the 20 metres.
Very good documentary! Lots of rare info. The dude at its end however was kind of out of league, looked like he learned a skript while acting like look how cool I am. The other people were amazing.
@@logicbomb5511 I know they are like that, I just dont understand what he was doing in this documentary. I mean ok ask a pilot what was it like using all this stuff and thats that. Everyone else was full professional and often fairly humble.
SAM Radars be like: " Imma lit up the sky so I can find and track enemy aircraft" ARMs be like: " imma find and destroy you if you light up your radar"
Every single one of these guys looks like the last person in a bar you would want problems with, I guess that's why they called them steely eyed missile men because any one of them would fit right into any Texas Ranger Company photo all they'd need is a Stetson.
@@koekiejam18 Well, it was longer than the Shrike and had bigger stabilisation Fin's on the Tail. It would have been more stalbe concidering that Fact. They even made the Sidearm using the Body of the Sidewinder, what was clearly not a stable Platform as the Shrike or Sparrow or the Standard. Well, we'll never know.
If you watched the whole thing they mention cost was a big part of the success of the Shrike. It allowed more widespread use of the missile. They also mention developing their own motor that was 1/10 the cost of a competing motor.
@@Surestick88 Still wonder why they did not go with a more expensive but also more reliable solution. They had to fly into the sam umbrella to even get a lock, not to mention firing range!
@@WanderfalkeAT im quite certain that altough quite a good solution to make the sidearms out of sidewinders, their range is terrible compared to alot of different ARM's sidewinders are meant for relatively short range engagements
Total Lies about Standard ARM... the Wild Weasels used those very effectively from extreme long range before the SAM site ever detected the strike force. The missile marked the site's location in its active memory and was able to fire at a target 90 degres off either side of the nose giving the missile a tremendously high kill rate.
Where did they talk about standard missile??? my understanding was always that the issue was the missile was a giant telephone pole that dragged down the launchers performance.
It sounds like absolutely nothing was learned from the Korean Conflict going into Vietnam. If aircraft and crew losses were just as alarming in both conflicts, where did all the research go?!
Lawrence Tate the so called experts in Air Combat in the 1950-60s said: " The will be never be any air to air combat and no need in training for dogfight, need for guns on Fighter plane, or training fighter pilots." Then Vietnam war came the restrictions on the Pilots by President Lyndon Baine Johnson worsening the situation in the air combat with the losses in combat and pilots leavings the armed service for commercial airline, even transport pilots was sent into air combat and bombing in Laos, Cambodia, South Vietnam and North Vietnam that even Naval Aces top gun instructor Randy Cunningham called this practice murder.
These haven't done squat for Ukraine. Total failure. We even gave them one of the newish versions with the ultra broadband seeker & target memory function so it knows where the radar was even after the radar is shut off.
@@greencanner4284 they are launching the HARM-88B block III actually. I was talking about the final 25 minutes of the program when they were talking about the lineal descendant about the wonderwaffel they claimed they were creating in the HARM. That version has the target memory, bearing launch and ultra broadband seeker head and it hasn't done anything even though american ISR give the Ukrainians perfect situational awarness. The program is at a dead end. It can still be used to attack small weak counties and SA-75 systems that are 50 years old, which is all it ever managed to do in retrospect. The newest itterations are too fast to be covered by decoys, not fast enough to work against even low cost medium range air defenses like the BUK-M which has been ripping them out of the skies. and no, it doesn't make a difference that they are launched using an ipad versus using a f-16 which you will see now, rather you won't see now because you will notice if you pay attention there is still no news about HARM after getting the f-16s.
@@posmoo9790 the Ukrainian "fix" to fire the HARM from eastern bloc fighters means it's only useable in SP mode, and the F-16's will never be in the picture, ukraine just doesn't have the logistical chain to operate them
@@greencanner4284 in what way do you believe the that they are firing them with an inferior method? they are actually firing them from the only available method. and f/a-18 hornet wouldn't improve it. they are operating F-16s but they don't have the weapons that can make any use out of them. for one thing, the HARM sucks. it is incapable in modern warfare. even the most modern example. it's no longer even the slightest threat to modern air defense systems.
@@posmoo9790 the HARM has 3 firing modes, SP/Self Protection, TOO/Target Of Opportunity, and PB/Pre-Briefed, SP requires you to have been locked on and by that nature, you are unable to fire at standoff ranges, TOO allows you to fire at targets of your choice, and PB allows you to fire at standoff distance at a Pre-Briefed target, the seeker activates in flight and then guides in on the radiator. SP is by far the most dangerous and least likely to succeed method of employing the HARM. When you strap western bloc missiles to eastern bloc equipment and use them with eastern bloc tactics, they don't fuckin work.
An old story for deceived children. It's one thing to sell the technology, ie. data, information and notices, and the sale or supply of missiles is quite another. Why does anyone think that they are not actively participating in a war conflict, if weapons are produced on their territory and full logistics are provided to one of the warring parties? Why would the opposing side accept such threats about the alleged possibility of greater involvement in the conflict from one who allegedly provides only falsely limited logistics? Escalation is inevitable, because the logic of war is to weaken the opponent from the inside or outside and then destroy him with your own hands or someone else's hands!!! There is no compromise, i.e. just as the suspension is only a temporary measure, the regrouping of forces, so is the waging of war by someone else's hands. So this weapon also has its primary effect on the opposing side's logistics, and its secondary effect kills on impact, chemically and biologically. It is possible to replace what is primary and what is secondary action.
