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The Origins of Metaphysics - How Parmenides was the First and Last Prophet of the One Being 

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The earliest metaphysical speculation was concerned with what was it that persisted through time and change. Perhaps the most radical answer ever given to to this question was to reject the very concept of change itself. Parmenides would argue that Being alone exists and that Truth was to think the One and only the One. In his a poem revealed to him by a Goddess in the House of Night, he would effectively would effectively invent Western Metaphysics and Logic. In that now fragmentary text his revelation would detail how Being alone is real with change, time and the world of sensation being mere illusions. Indeed, Parmenides may have been the first and last philosopher of pure being with all hitherto western metaphysics being a betrayal of Thinking Being, a willing amnesia of Truth itself.
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Recommended Readings:
Austin, Scott. Parmenides: Being, Bounds, and Logic. New Haven: Yale, 1986.
Kirk, G.S., Raven, J.E., Schofield, M. The Presocratic Philosophers. 2nd ed. Cambridge: Cambridge, 2011.
Sider, David, and Henry W. Johnstone, Jr. The Fragments of Parmenides. Bryn Mawr Commentaries. Bryn Mawr: Bryn Mawr College, 1986.
Tarán, Leonardo. Parmenides. New Jersey: Princeton, 1965.
Curd, Patricia. The Legacy of Parmenides. New Jersey: Princeton, 1998.
Kingsley, Peter. Reality. Inverness: Golden Sufi Center, 2003.
Lewis, Frank A. “Parmenides’ Modal Fallacy,” Phronesis 54 (2009): 1-8.
McKirahan, Richard D. Philosophy Before Socrates: An Introduction with Texts and Commentaries. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.
Mourelatos, Alexander P. D. The Route of Parmenides: Revised and Expanded Edition. Las Vegas: Parmenides, 2008.
Nehamas, Alexander. “On Parmenides’ Three Ways of Inquiry.” Deucalion 33/34 (1981): 97-111.
Owen, G. E. L. “Eleatic Questions.” The Classics Quarterly 10.1 (1960): 84-102.
Reeve, C.D.C, and Patrick Lee Miller, eds. Introductory Readings in Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy. Indianapolis: Hackett, 2006.
Of course, anything by Heidegger on Parmenides. Good luck, though.

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@TheEsotericaChannel
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@aminrodriguez4707
@aminrodriguez4707 Год назад
10:45 Just like Descartes and his mystical dreams that gave birth to "la raison". Also, the whole ascent/descent and a chariot, does not remind you of Mer................?
@aminrodriguez4707
@aminrodriguez4707 Год назад
Again, cogito ergo sum 13:49, Descartes......so odd, Thinking IS being.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Год назад
in philosophy grad school i convinced a professor to do a one-on-one reading course with him on Heidegger's Parmenides. im a Heidegger nerd and also a Parmenides and Heraclitus nerd
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr Год назад
Nice TIL to consider with PBS Space Time shows like Is The Wave Function The Building Block of Reality? or The One-Electron Universe | Space Time
@SootuKoll
@SootuKoll Год назад
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@zacharycurrie3708
@zacharycurrie3708 Год назад
This is definitely one of your more difficult episodes, if not the most difficult one I've watched. I appreciate the effort you put into translating the argument into formal modal logic. I also appreciate the discussion of the issues surrounding existential predication, which definitely requires multiple rewatches. Your channel is on esoteric topics but I don't think anyone on RU-vid is really doing philosophy like you do. Thank you!
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
It's tough but I think the formalization of the argument helps to see it's strengths and weaknesses. FWIW, I don't think it's sound but is valid.
@markdpricemusic1574
@markdpricemusic1574 Год назад
Everything is difficult at first. Russell's 'History of Western Philosophy'' is imperfect in many ways - the chapter on Nietzsche is scandalously bad - BUT it is really useful for getting a sense of ''the big picture''. Even for post-docs its worth re-visiting if you want a quick, fairly clear and (usually) accurate rap-sheet. After dipping into that, the Stanford online Encyclopedia of Philosophy is the next port of call.
@zacharycurrie3708
@zacharycurrie3708 Год назад
@@markdpricemusic1574 Stanford's Encyclopedia is great resource! Philosophy should be proud to have it!
@thomzwiefler6305
@thomzwiefler6305 Год назад
​@zacharycurrie3708 Just wait till the Encyclopedia Hermetica comes out.... in 20 to 30 years....
@MarcVL1234
@MarcVL1234 Год назад
Ever read Plato's Parmenides? It's unusual for having the character Socrates as a learner, & Parmenides in the role Socrates usually plays. I think it's the densest, hardest to read of all Plato's dialogues.
@YonatanZunger
@YonatanZunger Год назад
"The Goddess in the House of Night" would be an excellent title for a prog-rock album, and it would go well with the right kind and quantity of drugs to make Parmenides' revelation make sense. That was great fun.
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
Definitely getting prog vibes !
@lavnlvas
@lavnlvas Год назад
I'm gonna have to review the lyrics of Blue Oyster Cult's "Spy in the House of the Night" to see if Sandy Perlman was referencing Parmenides... I wouldn't put it past him.
@Hyrinm
@Hyrinm Год назад
@@lavnlvas Haha, i thought just the same.
@off6848
@off6848 Год назад
You don’t need drugs look up Theoria Apophasis metaphysics he explains everything with simplex hyper rationality which is the way it’s supposed to be understood it’s the opposite of complex
@M0U53B41T
@M0U53B41T Год назад
Sometimes I dream of works being discovered in places like Herculaneum and we can read lost works of Heraclitus or Parmenades
@CrazyPablo44
@CrazyPablo44 Год назад
You had me from “deep introverted meditation.”
@pedroarroyo345
@pedroarroyo345 Год назад
Definitely, that hit me hard..
@joshuavanderplaats
@joshuavanderplaats Год назад
Parminides is BY FAR the most penetrating person of the ancient world. I become almost giddy every time someone discusses him. Because it seems as if no one does. And he embodies, paradoxically, the treatment which the goddess herself endures: Ignorance by “being” ignored. God and Goddess are one. Night and Day are one. The one defines the other, without the other there is nothing to define. As Lao Tzu has said, “Naming is the origin of all particular things.” Excellent, Dr. Sledge. Excellent.
@sariahmarier42
@sariahmarier42 Год назад
Absolutely ❤
@ruthbennett7563
@ruthbennett7563 Год назад
What a beautiful comment. I thank you for writing it so that I shouldn’t have to repeat it in a less eloquent manner.
@Eman_Puedama
@Eman_Puedama Год назад
​@@ruthbennett7563 Strictly speaking, if he hadn't written it, you wouldn't be repeating.
@charlesedwards5333
@charlesedwards5333 Год назад
I totally don’t get it and very much want to. Is Parmenides right ? Can that be demonstrated?
@joshuavanderplaats
@joshuavanderplaats Год назад
@@charlesedwards5333 Your desire whether to probe and ask if he was right will carry you a long way. I will try to find an excellent video that may help you.
@TheModernHermeticist
@TheModernHermeticist Год назад
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses and all the king's men Couldn't put Humpty together again.
@theeccentrictripper3863
@theeccentrictripper3863 Год назад
Based
@garethsmith3036
@garethsmith3036 Год назад
I just can’t keep up with how good this channel is. Kudos to you Justin
@CJusticeHappen21
@CJusticeHappen21 10 месяцев назад
Man, I feel like I just jumped in the deep-end of the pool without understanding anything about swimming, water, or breathing.
@gmccaughry
@gmccaughry Год назад
What a great episode, food for thoughts galore, thanks Justin
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
Many thanks, friend!
@LenaFerrari
@LenaFerrari Год назад
First time I'm proud of understanding 10% of a video
@rysler
@rysler Год назад
Same. I really enjoyed not understanding it.
@Damnchaosemerald_e.e
@Damnchaosemerald_e.e 6 месяцев назад
that means progress!
@someinteresting
@someinteresting Год назад
I translated the fragments for an edition some years ago. It was mesmerising.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Год назад
nice
@sabineangelino854
@sabineangelino854 Год назад
I've been binging this channel and I love how these videos are so well thought out. Thank you for making content like this readily available and enjoyable!
@lapurta22
@lapurta22 Год назад
Well thank you Dr. Justin for bending my mind into a pretzel with this one. I've come to expect nothing less from your presentations. That's why I love them so. But this one takes the cake, and it may take weeks to work the kinks out. Or maybe I will just think this is the being and ruminate on the truth of that.
@dragontdc
@dragontdc Год назад
Are you sure Parmenides wasn't a Zen Buddhist? lol There do seem to be a lot of similar concepts.
@NoHylicsAllowed
@NoHylicsAllowed Год назад
Finally, my time has come.....😈
@sariahmarier42
@sariahmarier42 Год назад
Mr. Mysterion... Nice. I'll have to check out your work.
@phonironi1579
@phonironi1579 Год назад
i can not stop rewatching, this was really cool !
@brimerwelpippy4972
@brimerwelpippy4972 Год назад
Dude when you said "cool black metal shirt" I was like ha sounded like he said black metal.... wait... WHAT THE FUCK dude that is so sick. Just made me love your channel 10x more
@BLKawa
@BLKawa Год назад
This summation was a Masterwork. Insert heartfelt applause.
@MichaelYoder1961
@MichaelYoder1961 Год назад
This is interesting philosophy. The Hindus and Taoists have similarly complicated thoughts about who is thinking the thought? What is feeling the feelings? Are the feelings just feeling and the thoughts just thinking? Wonderful episode! Thanks, Justin.
@Tolu349
@Tolu349 Год назад
That's what I was thinking, a lot of these ideas are explored in Taoism, in fact it almost sounds like he is trying to explain the Tao in a sense. However he does mentions in the video that this was the first time these thoughts were explored in the West. Wonderful video though
@thatchinaboi1
@thatchinaboi1 Год назад
@@Tolu349 That is because Parmenidean Ontology and Metaphysics is actually an expression of Dialectical Monism, just as Taoist philosophy and Advaita Vedanta are expressions of Dialectical Monism. The main and significant difference between Parmenides and all other philsophers, mystics, and spiritual teachers is that he used Logic and Pure Reason to demonstrate how his conclusions for Dialectical Monism are Logically Irrefutable.
@off6848
@off6848 Год назад
@@thatchinaboi1Yes it is a perennial philosophy/religion found all across the world
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 10 месяцев назад
Ask a neuroscientist instead sometime.
@Human20.7
@Human20.7 10 месяцев назад
The Vedanta.
@ralphtegtmeier4374
@ralphtegtmeier4374 Год назад
Great episode, as always. And quite a mind-boggler, too. Thank you for that!
@M0U53B41T
@M0U53B41T Год назад
Awesome thanks so much for covering this! The history of thought is so much more inclusive than modern teaching would lead us to believe. I enjoy very much reading about and reading works that don't fit into that very tight western view of 'logic' and 'language' - even when they were instrumental in forming such a view!
@greatexpectations6577
@greatexpectations6577 Год назад
I will have to rewatch this
@traviswadezinn
@traviswadezinn Год назад
Excellent episode - very engaging, thank you!
@genjitsunokami
@genjitsunokami Год назад
Wonderful episode! Perhaps it's time for Heraclitus? 👀
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Год назад
hngggg though as a Heidegger guy i think both Herry and Parry both accept the unity of opposites. i read process metaphysics into it, to be frank
@dragosavo
@dragosavo Год назад
When I was a teenager and after a profound reality shattering experience - hash oil assisted - I would swear I was channeling the same disorienting message on reality as Parmenides. Deeper and deeper down the proverbial rabbit hole and I couldn't shut up about it. It went on for weeks. My parents were so frightened by this they brought me to the hospital where the friendly psychiatrist sedated and drugged back into correct think. I pretended to cooperate and believe them but there was no going back. I wish I could repeat what I experienced/knew but it was somehow both terrifying and liberating. It also felt obvious. I am sure others know what I am talking about.
@DeusExNihilo
@DeusExNihilo Год назад
Yep. Had a simmilar experience with edibles. Threw me into a deep existential crisis for months.
@sariahmarier42
@sariahmarier42 Год назад
I mentioned my experience (one of them anyway) in a separate comment. You might check it out. *No drugs involved in mine tho. Brain injury instead. And mine lasted on and off for over a year.
@dannahbanana11235
@dannahbanana11235 Год назад
I've had some similar psychedelic assisted experiences. You really can't explain it sufficiently to most people who haven't felt it. At least I can't. Parmenides did a pretty good job. My life really has never been the same, for the better. Existence means something completely new to me now.
@bisexial_disaster2795
@bisexial_disaster2795 Год назад
I've had a similar religious experience although it didn't last nearly as long since it was just a light meditative trance and not aided by medication or anything, but watching this video reminded me of that state of thinking and I'm considering learning how to meditate a little bit fuller until mind altering with assistance is more feasible with my situation as I might be prone to full blown psychosis lmao
@jicajacobsonkimbreaux
@jicajacobsonkimbreaux Год назад
We have a type of familial TLE epilepsy, and so I have had multiple experiences like this throughout my life - both in provoked and unprovoked trance states as a child, then later with psychoactive assistance during college, and several times after that during OBEs and finally now I can get there with deep meditation. It can absolutely lead to prolonged existential crisis, if one isn't careful or emotionally regulated, but I've learned to be thankful for my rather slippery conscious awareness. Paired with a sharp academic mind/focus and careful attention to maintaining mind/body balance, it can be a wonderful tool for accessing greater meta-physical awareness. People will still look at you crazy if you start trying to explain the toroidal universe, but who cares. 😂❤️
@greatexpectations6577
@greatexpectations6577 Год назад
Thanks!
@lionessnetworks7784
@lionessnetworks7784 Год назад
🎉🎉🎉Dr Sledge :- “Him being detestable does NOT make him NOT a genius .. 🎖🎖🎖and cancelling historical figures in art & philosophy just because we don’t like them or because they (don’t match) our own personal beliefs .. that strikes me as moronically self defeating” 🏆🏆🏆
@MrJamesdryable
@MrJamesdryable Год назад
Parmenides doesn't get enough credit. Dude was a G.
@joshkuehner3864
@joshkuehner3864 Год назад
Thanks! love your stuff. this video is life changing for me. I hope youre doing well
@nicolasdespres9694
@nicolasdespres9694 Год назад
I always love your videos, but this is by far my new favourite. "the thinking of Being had become a scandal, an ontological horror" ! I've felt that horror contemplating being and I loved hearing it in your words. Your prose are unparalleled.
@ruthbennett7563
@ruthbennett7563 Год назад
It’s as if consciousness became aware of its own consciousness, or the like 😊 (Please excuse my humor. The impulse couldn’t be helped.) This is truly one of his best lectures… which is certainly an accomplishment ❤
@Cymatic-Mage
@Cymatic-Mage Год назад
Id like a new "Church" named Unitary Beings
@hendrikm9569
@hendrikm9569 Год назад
It would be interesting, in my opinion, to have another video about Platos dialog between Socrates and Parmenides, and on how it differs from what is known about Parmenides.
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
It would be interesting and profoundly difficult - the Parmenides is one of the most difficult texts of ancient philosophy by any metric.
@hendrikm9569
@hendrikm9569 Год назад
That's why I asked, as your videos have really helped me grasp philisophical topics with the limited time I have. I have read Platos Parmenides, and it was an interesting read, but I can't say I really understood it. I have also got an e Book on the text, that would normally cost about 100€ for free, by using my university's library, which is really cool, but with philosophy being very different from the subject that I am studying (Pharmacy), I haven't had time or energy to go into the topic with the attention it deserves and needs.
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
Get the single volume Hackett edition - the introduction alone is mind-blowing
@hendrikm9569
@hendrikm9569 Год назад
I will look for it. At the moment I have only looked at german Literatur about it, as I am from germany, and thought, that it is probably easier, to try to understand it in german, but that sounds interesting. Thank you for your recommendation :)
@chazmertes
@chazmertes Год назад
You have my vote and my gratitude. Sincerely, An appreciative scholar
@TheTarotDJ333
@TheTarotDJ333 Год назад
Interesting lesson. Thanks, Justin. 🌞 All the things on your shelves look interesting. It would be cool if you did some kind of show and tell episode where you show us your cool stuff!! 🤩
@ryanhollist3950
@ryanhollist3950 Год назад
I might have to watch this several times to just begin to understand some of this. That is, if it's possible to do so at all. 😖
@FrederichSchulz
@FrederichSchulz Год назад
The fascination in this kind of logos, that thought is being, and as you mentioned that translating of his work inherently establishes it in a different context. Our languages fundamentally effect how we think, not our thinking ability, but it organizs the way we think which can lead to very specific outcomes unique to different cultures. Like the many ways of translating and interpretting Wang Wei's 'Deer Park' poem. Language contextualizes thought, but in that very process can limit how we can think. Or expand it. Cultures with languages with many unique words for similar shades of what we call the same color, are inherently better at recognizing those various shades and hues compared to those of languages without that benefit. And cultures which think in cardinal directionality rather than relative directionality like the Guuguu Yimithirr people of Australia, have a stronger innate sense of direction, we when indoors.
@dannahbanana11235
@dannahbanana11235 Год назад
This kind of thing really makes me desperately want to learn all the languages. I need to UNDERSTAND lol
@rutha6260
@rutha6260 Год назад
My dad used to say this about when he was learning Russian and how difficult it was to think in it.
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 10 месяцев назад
What you are talking about is the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which has been disproven imo
@ignatzly
@ignatzly Год назад
I especially enjoy that you use the word "comprise" correctly. I will contribute to your weird channel.
@luisvictorf
@luisvictorf Год назад
an Awesome discourse Dr. Sledge. Thank you very much for the food for (additional) Thought. Unti next time, Have a Great day
@theeccentrictripper3863
@theeccentrictripper3863 Год назад
Intriguing. Now smack me on the nose if I'm totally off the beaten path but I smell some of Mishima's musing in this, namely his perception of words being corrosive and truth lying in that liminal space between the self and reality, with death, the only identifiable stasis and unity perceived by us, being the ultimate manifestation of it. I'm still chewing on Sun and Steel but for whatever reason, perhaps just my own misunderstanding, this gives me the same feelings as it does, it strikes the same chord. Really nutty stuff overall, a whole lot to digest and muse on.
@gluetubeserver
@gluetubeserver 14 дней назад
Suffice to say, he was wrong. Death is immaterial when all is unity.
@DannMcN
@DannMcN Год назад
This is by far my favorite episode. I absolutely love the topic of Parmenides' thought. You did such an excellent job covering this topic. I just got done reading a book about Plotinus and the Presocratics and wanted to share a related take: Plotinus read Parmenides' Being as the Plotinian Nous.
@Robb3348
@Robb3348 6 месяцев назад
are you asserting that Plotinus did indeed read Parmenides' Being as the Plotinian Nous? or just suggesting that possible interpretation of Parmenides?
@DannMcN
@DannMcN 6 месяцев назад
@Robb3348 I've taken the concept as described in the book "Plotinus and the Presocratics" by Giannis Stamatellos. Here's an excerpt from which I derived my comment. "In particular, Parmenides’ ontology and terminology are in the background of Plotinus’ metaphysics of Intellect, the Second Hypostasis of Being, and Plotinus acknowledges Parmenides as the Presocratic philosopher who introduced the intelligibility, oneness, unity, indestructibility, uniqueness, impassability, and eternal timelessness of Being. Plotinus is not only aware of and uses Parmenides’ terminology and concepts but also interprets, systematizes, and develops his Eleatic philosophy within the context of his own Neoplatonic system. It is significant that Plotinus de-parts from the traditional philosophical line of Parmenides and the post-Parmenidean thinkers on the priority of Being and the denial of its creation from non-Being. Within Plotinus’ system of the three Hypostases, Being is secondarily produced from the One, which is frequently expressed as non-Being in terms of its supra-transcendence beyond Being and Intelligence"
@CorvinusRahl
@CorvinusRahl Год назад
Thanks for the delicious brain food, Doc.
@billfarr795
@billfarr795 Год назад
Thanks for this episode. I read the Kingsley book you mentioned a few years back and was mostly lost - I will try it again after rewatching your video and reading other stuff on your reading list.
@davidscott4919
@davidscott4919 Год назад
This just cracked my dome. 👍
@MarcVL1234
@MarcVL1234 Год назад
I wonder how a translation of Parmenides using E-Prime (English without the verb "to be," including conjugations) would work.
@Silent-Speaker
@Silent-Speaker Год назад
Oh, this one is superb! Thanks Doc! ❤
@kafkaten
@kafkaten Год назад
My wife and I love your videos, but this one in particular was our jam!
@randallpetroelje3913
@randallpetroelje3913 Год назад
Sounds a lot like Alastair Crowley
@jonathanboram7858
@jonathanboram7858 Год назад
This is a great video! I'm afraid I'm too much a lover of process. I jokingly say that philosophy starts with Heraclitus and that Parmenides is when it went wrong
@messerkommamichael
@messerkommamichael Год назад
Thank you for this excellent video. I have a question about your formalisations in modal logic. Seeing as Parmenides thought that the thinkable was One Being which is inseparable (1 - 4 Κ 053), wouldn't you have to add an identity clause - like this? □∃x(Tx ∧ ∀y(Ty→(y=x)))
@stephencuffel4932
@stephencuffel4932 4 месяца назад
Hurrah! If non-being cannot be, then we explain why is is, straight a priori no chaser, no god, and sit on it Dr.Kant.
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel 4 месяца назад
That's a bingo
@mikekesidis1150
@mikekesidis1150 Год назад
One of your best episodes. The type of content I like. Thanks Justin.
@claironaut
@claironaut 4 месяца назад
mind blowing. The way you narrated this was chilling. Thank you
@VIP-ry6vv
@VIP-ry6vv Год назад
My favorite episodes of yours are the ones where I have to go into the transcript and Google wtf you're even talking about. Your spoken words are in English, I speak English and the combination of words makes sense individually, but somewhere along the way my brain cells begin splitting like uranium atoms... That is, catastrophically.
@honeyfaewoman
@honeyfaewoman Год назад
This reminds me of that meme "Source? I made it up." Also, this reminds me of when I watched the movie Inception while I was a little high. It also reminds me of reading about physics on a Wikipedia page when I was like 12.
@EricVanWinkle
@EricVanWinkle Год назад
This is one I need to revisit. I'm reminded of how I barely got that philosophy minor, and probably shouldn't have. Education, like any training, requires you to work up to some things. I've skipped Metaphysics Day too often lately. I'm gonna go do some reps of Tao of Pooh.
@asphaltpilgrim
@asphaltpilgrim 11 месяцев назад
I have nothing to add to those who have said before me: what an epic and profoundly difficult video. Thank you and I'll be back... repeatedly 😂
@hosehuang8565
@hosehuang8565 Год назад
🤯....this is too deep and it's too early ..... I'm gonna have to watch it again after my morning coffee 🤤
@dandydiagoras
@dandydiagoras Год назад
@TheEsotericaChannel I appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos, Justin. They are concise, academic, clear and interesting. In 2011, when I started studying the history of western esotericism out of the blue (I also went to the University of Amsterdam for that), it wasn't easy to find my way around, since there is so much 'background noice', if I may say so. Finding accessible and reliable information was somewhat of a challenge. In that regard, you are making a difference.
@87alamo
@87alamo Год назад
Listening to these lecture, I have realized the possible compatibility between Parmenid's thought and Shopenhauer's philosophy. In the sense of a world divided between representation (not being) and will (being). Would that make sense?
@PatriceBoivin
@PatriceBoivin Год назад
The Gurdjieff Work asks what progress has a person made in their level of being? Maybe they are asking, how concrete are you, really? Are you present? Do you exist. Are you real.
@MadMax-bq6pg
@MadMax-bq6pg Год назад
Nope, didn’t follow. But that’s due to my lack of understanding, not the obvious amount of hard intellectual effort that goes into production. Back to some textbooks for me. Alas it doesn’t have the incentive of demon philosophies with their buried treasure locations 😉
@lisleigfried4660
@lisleigfried4660 Месяц назад
Great video, always an interesting metaphysician. I'm wondering if you've read Oscar Hinze's essay on Parmenides in his Tantra Vidya, in which he understands the third part of the doctrinal poem as corresponding to a lower truth analogous to the yogic concept rather than as mere falsehood. I find it to be incredibly insightful and am persuaded that Hinze is best able to account for the idiosyncrasies of the structure and themes of the doctrinal poem best through his interpretation.
@DefaultUser61
@DefaultUser61 Год назад
This is why scrubs like me have a problem with philosophy. I can tell you’re saying something profound, I just can’t tell you what
@jicajacobsonkimbreaux
@jicajacobsonkimbreaux Год назад
Fantastic! It's curious to consider how this thinking of being arose (either independently or alongside) the eastern traditions... Would this then be the total inverse of the vedantic approach (where the true self/being is realized as distinct from mind/thought), or is it rather the exact same thing where "thinking of being" is simply another way of expressing the focused state of mindfulness of inner being/the self?
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
Thanks - There's no evidence of any 'eastern' influence on Parmenides but I can't speak on Vedanta as I'm no expert there.
@Adrian-vk5xl
@Adrian-vk5xl Год назад
Good question.. I thought the same, does this go down the ‘I think therefore I am’ line or is thought/logic in this context referring to connecting with consciousness (being)…
@gnomikon7836
@gnomikon7836 Год назад
Exactly because the True self is realized as distinct from mind, Parmenides is not opposite Vedanta, but on the same line. Reality as a whole cannot be understood intellectually. The intellect can only grasp parts of it at a time, but each part, and even the sum of the parts, doesn't even scratch the surface of Reality, which is whole, all-encompasing, boundless, abythos, and who can look into the abyss? Therefore it's paradoxically the Ultimate Being in Parmenides and Reality in Vedanta, but also a big No-thing, Ayin, Ayin Sof, because Being Itself without any clothes on it, what would you call it? You just can't name it or understand it in any way.
@danielmontilla1197
@danielmontilla1197 Год назад
That's a question for the perennialists! Honestly, it's hard not to see their "essential Truth" when you compare Parmenides' and Advaita Vedanta's monism. Brahman and Absolute Being as beckoning of a primordial metaphysical Single Source is, at least, a very curious notion that's worth exploring.
@rutha6260
@rutha6260 Год назад
@@Adrian-vk5xl I actually said it out loud listening to the video.
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 10 месяцев назад
It seems to me the Eleatic conception is caused by a limitation in language. Perhaps language is merely a symbol?
@notwennaes
@notwennaes Год назад
Bravo Dr.Sledge, excellent episode!
@TheRealShadowX
@TheRealShadowX 6 месяцев назад
Been a minute since I watched one of your videos. Amazing content, my friend.
@markdpricemusic1574
@markdpricemusic1574 Год назад
Yeah but he had to say all that because he couldn't play drums or dance. Neurotic rationaisation is a terrible thing. :)
@santtu07
@santtu07 Год назад
Long time viewer first time commenter.😅 I just finished reading Umberto Eco’s The Name of the Rose, and a lot of the concepts expressed in this video are explored by the characters in that novel (who are otherwise solving a murder in a monetary in the 1300s). Specifically the idea that names and symbols shape our perception of reality, even though the origin of those symbols is arbitrary. There’s also an excellent adaptation starring Sean Connery (which is very difficult to stream legally in 2023, ironic given the story’s themes of lost media…)
@melaniebruce3923
@melaniebruce3923 Год назад
I absolutely loved reading Parmenides poem. I laughed and laughed. It’s a koan.. He was a true master !
@canisronis2753
@canisronis2753 Год назад
Very useful, thank you.
@whycantiremainanonymous8091
On the aletheia/doxa paradox, one simple "solution" would be to realize that logical deduction as such hadn't yet been invented. Parmenides didn't yet feel it to be fully compelling himself. Even Aristotle, 150 years later, still felt the need to "sell" his new method of counjering up truths to his audience.
@MrSears_1.618
@MrSears_1.618 Год назад
Awesome, good job, never heard of this guy, thanks. This guy described meditation it seems. I have only been a practicing meditator for 3 years and he puts to words very well what deep trance appears to be, to me at least.
@interqward1
@interqward1 Год назад
Dr Justin - in this one, you were like the world's greatest Quarterback ever ever, doing his thing in front of all the spectators' eyes.
@Pooneil1984
@Pooneil1984 Год назад
This is one of those few episodes that gives me a headache. It is like listening to people discuss music theory to me. I am glad some people like it and the results that come from it are often wonderful. But it isn't for me. Now off to take a Tylenol. See you next time.
@interqward1
@interqward1 Год назад
I got to a point here, where I just could not help but go look at the comments to see the acclaim...
@mikel287
@mikel287 Год назад
If you haven't yet read it, Peter Kingsley's book Reality is one of, if not the very best books on Parmenides as well as Empedocles. The man's scholarship is just top notch!
@mudhut4491
@mudhut4491 Год назад
He's a wizard, that's a great book. It will take you places
@MrJamesdryable
@MrJamesdryable Год назад
If you're not aware of The One, then you're not aware of anything.
@jonyspinoza3310
@jonyspinoza3310 Год назад
Any thoughts on Michael Della Rocca’s book from Oxford: The Parmenidean Ascent?
@Purwapada
@Purwapada Год назад
Parmenides (along with Pyrrho and the sceptics) are my favourite Greek philosophers! Yay for this episode :) If you are interested, Buddhism goes a step further by declaring neither being, nor non-being - neither monism nor plurality, nor both, nor neither. lol
@jicajacobsonkimbreaux
@jicajacobsonkimbreaux Год назад
Yes! My post-uni revisitation of Greek philosophy after having studied Buddhism is revealing so much interconnected nuance that I could have never recognized before learning the Vedas, the Tao, etc. I haven't felt this intrigued and academically giddy while watching a lecture in a long time. 😂 There's something about this being revealed knowledge that deeply points toward the store (communal) consciousness, as well. I would love to further explore that, somehow.
@Purwapada
@Purwapada Год назад
@@jicajacobsonkimbreaux Yes its great :)
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 10 месяцев назад
And I will go even further to suggest everything is a poem made up by the jabberwocky.
@Purwapada
@Purwapada 10 месяцев назад
@@threestars2164 lol!
@Maddz-Thee-Bee
@Maddz-Thee-Bee 2 месяца назад
Wow, incredible video! Strikingly similar to Advaita Vedanta, I didn't know that anything like that existed in western philosophy that wasn't incredibly obscurantist, or some form of qualified non-duality. Very impressive to see absolute unqualified non-duality so long ago in the western world, with logical deductions to back it up.
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel 2 месяца назад
Parmenides was a material monist not a non-dualist
@Kali-Yuga-Peace-Corp
@Kali-Yuga-Peace-Corp Год назад
The new visuals for the intro look so classy.
@NorthenTasawwuf
@NorthenTasawwuf Год назад
If I read the chalkboard @12:50 correctly: P1. For any x, if it is possible to think x, then it is possible that x exists. P2. For any x, if no x exists, then it is not possible that x exists. P3. For any x, if it is possible that x exists, then x necessarily exists. P4. For any x, if it is possible to think x, then x exists. Conclusion. For any x, if x does not exist, then it is not possible to think x.
@TheEsotericaChannel
@TheEsotericaChannel Год назад
Yep - that's the plain text of the formalization
@thunderthorson6138
@thunderthorson6138 Год назад
The best class of pre-socratic philosophy
@dbarker7794
@dbarker7794 Год назад
Thanks for the reading recommendations. I'm not smart enough to understand this stuff but it's good to think about it.
@kagitsune
@kagitsune Год назад
I guess Descartes must have read Parmenides 🤔
@ahmedfouda5500
@ahmedfouda5500 Год назад
I keep a copy of Lotze's Outlines of the Metaphysic for extended commutes and stressful waiting times just because the mindf*** takes my attention off of what's going on. This video was the loveliest of mindf***s to be honest :D I do enjoy the showcase of esoteric and occult thought as a peek into how this shadow zeitgeist has evolved into what it is today, but this is far more enjoyable as it hits home; the individual rather than the collective (I know, I know...)
@BobbieMercer-vb4pp
@BobbieMercer-vb4pp Год назад
One of your best videos yet ... Thumbs UP !
@ShaneOMacSafriet
@ShaneOMacSafriet Год назад
What up brother thanks for all your work and hello from Saint Louis Mo.
@CloudReaper468
@CloudReaper468 Год назад
Brilliant! This made my day. Thank you 🙏 mission Black Hole 🕳️
@PicoBelfast
@PicoBelfast Год назад
Like a week ago I've been thinking about it
@shaneyaw4542
@shaneyaw4542 Год назад
Very interesting concepts and it was explained very clearly. Thank you.
@MichaelLeidel-Tube
@MichaelLeidel-Tube 3 месяца назад
Thanks!
@wireless849
@wireless849 Год назад
This is an extraordinary video, probing grounds in philosophy which the discipline is only grasping around the edges at at the moment. Well done and thank you.
@dobo9150
@dobo9150 Год назад
I feel like my meager study/practice of Hellenic astrology has prepared me well to meet this here Parmenides bloke, in all this Goddess in the House of Night stuff. Hearing you paraphrase him, I cannot unhear the role of the gnoetic lights (spelling notwithstanding) as necessary to Thinking Being. Ya got the Sun and day illuminating Being on the one hand, ya got the Moon and night illuminating Being by its logical compliment of Non-Being on t'other, and in the middle lies the thinking both Being and Non-Being which plays out across the opined experiences of mortals as all that stuff astrology be talking about. It gives a slightly new-to-me-but-only-by-experiential-delusion bent to the reminder that we are, none of us nor anything else, our birth charts.
@maddbaer
@maddbaer Год назад
I enjoyed this. Thank you
@musings.By.Marivii
@musings.By.Marivii Год назад
The black metal shirt. Is 🔥
@sanfordschoolfield710
@sanfordschoolfield710 Год назад
Thanks
@billfarr795
@billfarr795 Год назад
Thanks!
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