The Origins of the Palestinian-Israel Conflict Part II: Toward a Two-State Solution, 1949-1993 

Those "territories beyond the Green Line" are called in my history, which happens to be yours as well, Judea and Samaria, the cradle of the Jewish faith. I was surprised you failed to mention that the PLO was established in 1964, BEFORE the 1967 war. So the question, at least to me, is: what part of Palestine did they want to liberate?! They simply wanted to obliterate the Jewish state. The harsh fact is that those people refuse, and still do, to accept any Jewish existence here, in the Land of our ancestors, EITHER on the east side of the Green Line OR along the western part, governed by Israel before 1967. Simply no Jews around!

​@@shaishvalbknowtheland6529 that's false. Palestinians acknowledged UN resolution 242 alongside international law all demand Israel withdraws to 1967 borders. Palestinian state created on 22% of the land. Israel rejects it. Every year the UN general assembly debates it and Israel, US and 2 islands reject it while the rest of the world affirms it!

@shaishvalbknowtheland6529 If you listen to these presentations carefully, there are some key underlying themes: 1. each side sees and presents the very same history completely differently and of course cites history to defend its positions. 2. each side distorts the narrative, or omits certain key points, or sees the various narratives differently. 3. each side is bent on proving the other wrong or lying or ignoring the truth 4. Each side refuses to acknowledge the other although each has solid claims. it doesn't matter that the identification of "Palestinian" was forged in the post-partition struggle. It doesn't matter that so many Jews came from other lands to reclaim their patrimony. Unless we stop walking into this maelstrom of violence firmly fixed on the past, there will never be peace or security. Soar to 5 miles above earth and see there are two peoples, with two solid claims, who for now cannot possibly live together. We are either stuck in that doom loop or we move forward with 2 states. p.s. I am a Zionist, fervent supporter of Israel, with Israeli grandchildren and a profound belief in the justice of our cause.

@@rosalindpaaswell9513 PLO in 1988 recognised Israel. Israel only recognised PLO as the legitimate representative of Palestinians. Israel didn't recognise Palestine or Palestinians as a people. 2. How does Palestinians distort or omit their narrative? 3. Their Is a huge problem of power. Palestinians are occupied, weak and divided while israel is the strongest military, economy and diplomatically is backed by USA and the west. Palestinians don't enjoy any of that. Implying comparison is wrong 4. Palestinians have made huge compromise in pursuing peace. UN awarded Palestinians 45% of historical Palestine. Palestinians accepted UN resolution 242, international law,Arab initiative etc and 22% of the land. So does over 180 countries worldwide. Israel hasn't made a single compromise and rejects Palestinians right to 22% and demands Palestinians compromise more? If possible can you give me the israeli point of view of why the political leadership is adamant against the 2 state solution and Palestinian state and what do they propose happens to Palestinians and Israeli occupation?

@@Klopp2543 I can't educate you; there are too many errors in your post (I assume with good will that they are errors, not lies). Really, these youtube presentations give a full and balanced account of the history, and direct the listener to more sources. You should hear them out. But on just one point. There were many offers of statehood by Israel. Were they perfect? No. But the last one, at Camp David, was pretty good. Arafat just stopped the discussions and left. Not too much later, he retired to Switzerland and died there some time later, a millionaire. He could have negotiated more but in later (friendly) biographies it appears that he was afraid to take the deal back to his people. But for history, please listen to the presentations. Both narratives are given, even when they conflict, and the listener is advised to look further into sources. By the way, the very first offer of a Palestinian state was in 1947. That was rejected by every Arab nation, who declared many wars in order to push Jews into the sea. Everything was downhill for the Palestinians after the first war, as much at the hands of their Arab brothers--who clearly couldn't have cared less about them -- as Israel. Wars have consequences, including the right to administer occupied territory. And you do remember, don't you, that both Gaza and the West Bank were in Arab hands for almost 20 years. I leave you to contemplate why not one step was taken to create a new state. (hint: "Wait, we're still going to drive the Jews into the sea.") The West Bank was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jewish cemeteries were paved over, and no Jews were allowed in to Jerusalem. And if you have just a little more bandwidth for a part of this story, here's a quote from a Palestinian leader in 1977 which may help explain why no Arab party was ever interested in actually creating a Palestinian state: Zuheir Muhsin, a senior member of the PLO’s Executive Council, said this in an interview with a Dutch Newspaper. Trouw. "We consider ‘Palestine’ as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic, and geographical bonds.” He further said: “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are part of one people, the Arab nation. Look, I have relatives with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are one people. Just for political reasons we carefully subscribe to our Palestinian identity, because it is of national importance for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinians against Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is only there for tactical reasons. A Palestinian state is a new means of continuing the struggle against Israel and for Arab unity.

Thanks, you described exactly what I was hoping to achieve with this short presentation.

You should watch professors Ilan Pappe and Rasheed Khalidi.

Thank you.

Thanks for sharing

Mostly on the Palestinian side because of education??? This is an extremely biased statement. If you suffered the way that the Palestinians have, particularly Gazans - apartheid, no freedom of movement, no self-determination, food and medical supplies blockaded, abuse at checkpoints, risk of unlawful detention and torture at any turn, risk of your land/property being stolen by settlers, and on and on - you’d just be ok with that? It would take the education system to make you think something is wrong? Please! It’s the Zionist propaganda that has made you make such a statement. Can you honestly say that genocide is the answer? Can you honestly say that what’s going on in the WB with over 700,000 settlers and growing and the way they’ve carved up area C to make it so difficult for Palestinians is ok? If your answer to either is yes, you need to review your moral compass.

@@halifaxeh I can see that you are totally adopt the palestinian narrative. You are the biased here, you are ignoring palestinian terror attacks, refusal of palestinian leaders to peace treaties, the vast support of palestinian population on terror organizations(and there are many), and I can go on and on. You probably not aware what education materials are used in the Gaza strip and the WB, you can compare it only to Nazi propaganda in the 1930's. I am not saying that israeli goverments did not made mistakes along the years, but there were several goverments that genuinely strive for peace. This is something I cannot say on palestinian side.

@@Yoramsw1 The Palestinians have refused agreements because they were never fair - including Oslo! There was no self-determination, only continued occupation.

Glad you found them helpful

Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found it useful.

Agreed. Amazing he can fit that into 30 minutes.

Glad it was helpful

Are you willing to listen to professors Ilan Pappe or Rasheed Khalidi?

Thank you.

I’m glad to be helpful

​@@HenryAbramsonPhD Thank you mr Abramson for this imformative discussion on this on going crisis🇮🇱🇵🇸🕎im glad as the Hanukkah festival is approaching theres been a slow down of this conflict and the return of hostages ,im going to check youre archive on previous lectures as ive seen people make a claim that jews of today more decend from a kingdom that converted to judaism called khazaria ,theres some rumbling on that i see online but truth in fact following the great diaspora that accourd after 🗡Rome by titus in 70 ce and 135 ce jews where scattered all over the mediterranean and europe they had many hardships and many would have intermarried with other cultures as well ,the arch of Titus proves despite the naysayers that Jews lived there in antiquity and the Temple was sacked by Romes legions ,🤔sometimes i wonder how that land would have looked like if the war and dispersion of jews didnt occur in 70 ce how things in that land would be today Happy upcoming Hanukkah to you🕎

​@@HenryAbramsonPhD the last major war that israel 🇮🇱faced near this time was waaay before my time the Yom kippur war i saw a movie on golda meir israels first female prime minster ,she was asked a question by students about the conflict in that region🇮🇱💥she told the young students quote "When the arabs love their children more than they hate us thats when Peace will come"

@@matthewsainsbury2367 That's quite a warlike statement when you look at the implications!

Please see part 1.

Thanks for mentioning the Jewish refugees in Part 1.@@HenryAbramsonPhD

Do you realize that the UN told the Arab countries to send their Jewish people to Israel? And that the Mizrahi Jews were often treated very badly by the Ashkenazi Jews? Many of the Moroccan Jews went back because they had a much better life in Morocco.

Thank you. Let us hope for progress.

Thanks for the comment. See Benny Morris on the argument you raise.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Hi Henry. Thank you for your response ... but it's too vague! I have no idea what to look for or where, in Benny Morris ' writings. Can you please state your point (response to my comment) right here?

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Henry.. still waiting for your answer ... can you give details please?

You should watch profs Ilan Pappe and Rasheed Khalidi for your answer. Benny Morris was once less biased but he has since moved right and is very much a Zionist anti-Palestinian now.

I agree, the role of the USSR in this conflict is hugely important. It's challenging, however, to balance all the relevant factors in a 30-minute presentation. I do refer to it in the years leading up to Oslo.

Thank you as well.

Glad it was helpful

I'm glad you found it helpful

Glad you found this useful. Touro offers many bachelors degrees, please check our website.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Definitely! Thank youuuuu Professor 👍🏼🙏🏼😊

Have you listened to professors Ilan Pappe or Rasheed Khalidi? I highly recommend their work.

Did you allege Palestinians love occupation, oppression and being stateless? For real?

This is such a biased request for information that fits your narrative? What about US/UK interference in the “post-colonial” world?” Has Russia rigged as many electrons as the US and UK? Israel is a theocracy, not a true democracy. The US and Russia are oligarchies at this point.

Glad to hear that!

Thank you

Glad you appreciated it

Thank you very much.

Thank you for the kind words of support.

​​@@HenryAbramsonPhD you likely already know this but the AP photograph of the boy was subsequently used by the PLO in agitational propaganda. I found a poster with the caption "Israel kills children" in English. This is direct evidence for what you were saying the media effect of the intifada was - essentially "propaganda of the deed" if I can paraphrase it that way. Let's hope the situation in Gaza pushes this eternal conflict closer to an end. Greetings from NJ by the way. I see you are in Brooklyn. :)

You are most welcome.

Thanks for the kind words @NCSCsailor, good to see you on the channel again.

Thank you for this lesson. There’s so much history in Israel I hope they preserve it all. Looking forward to the next lesson. Thank you, Frida

Actually it’s the European refusal for a Palestinian homeland in the Middle of Europe that is the the main problem. I believe the issue is to divide Southern Germany in half(southern Germany isnt a country therefore the people there don’t exist) and give 78% to the Palestinians. This will end the Middle eastern conflict overnight.

@@HenryAbramsonPhDhi. I’m a Palestinian Christian and admire Germany’s ability to defend themselves from terrorism and deal with their pest control problems in the 1940s. Wonderful to see the peace that Europe has enjoyed ever since their pest control campaign. We should learn the same. Why is Ursula Haverbeck in jail when Salman Rushdie is a hero? When Jerusalem is liberated we will name streets after her.

@@yusefkhan1752seriously…..? Do you view what Israel is doing now in Gaza as “pest control”? My point is that what goes around comes around, this is true for everyone in the world you can’t say that a massacre of millions of people including many non Jews is “pest control”. While bitching about Israel killing civilians (in my mind unfortunately) the two don’t work together try and work for the sake of Jesus to achieve peace and love for all!!

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See part 1

Although it was mentioned in part 1, I feel like it needs to be talked about more and if it's not at least mentioned every time the Palestinian refugees are mentioned it gives an uneven view

Thank you

Thanks for watching

Thanks. Not sure what a “split splash” is.

Thank you.

Benny Morris is Bias

Are you willing to learn from profs Ilan Pappe or Rasheed Khalidi?

Thank you too

Thanks for the thoughtful comment

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You are so welcome

Welcome

A good question. The humanitarian aid given through UNWRA helped millions of Palestinians escape poverty through mandatory education.

When they get a country they stop being refugees. When that will happen is anyone’s guess.

I have worked in the field of refugee resettlement for twenty years. You will find older Cubans, Vietnamese or Iranian refugees who still dream of returning home. Once you are past the age of around 50, it’s pretty hard to start over. As to the children of the original refugees, much depends on where they settle. Some places never really accept them even if they are born and raised there. I like to think we do a pretty good job in the US. A lot depends on employment. If you’re unemployed in Sweden, it can be hard to see your identity there. The camps in Gaza are even worse.

@@npgibson69when Israelis were forced out of Gaza in 2005. the Palestinians were handed a thriving economy that had been established by the Israeli settlers. Unfortunately the Palestinians destroyed the agricultural businesses and things took a further downward trajectory once hamas was voted in soon after.

You could make the same point about the Jews from 2,000 years ago. Breaching that point is risky.

Much more to say than these three short videos.

Yup.

There isn't one. There will never be one.Not unless the Palestinian people decide they want to function as at least sort of a Western state.

All you need to do is learn the history of the PLO in Jordan and the state to which they brought the country to until they were expelled and then the similar story happening when they relocated to Lebanon and caused a civil war before they were expelled again, to understand why their "brothers" do not want them ! Secondly the more historic answer and the answer to "why do the Arab countries keep them as refugees" Is the simple war between Muslims and Jews . where the Muslims used the Palestinians as their pwans in this game of control But it isn't just the Arabs who are involved in the perpetuating of this conflict , in fact it is the U.N as well Who put any Palestinian decent the status of a refugee both abroad under a completely new generation 2nd,3rd & 4th ... are all "refugees" Under a completely new citizenship and livelihood abroad and even Palestinians who fled their home to other places but still in Israel/Palestine territory All of the above are unique to the Palestinian case and unprecedented in refugee history.

Hope it helps clarify at least a bit

I'm glad you found the video useful. Christians have not been expelled from the land (at least not since the Crusader era).

@@HenryAbramsonPhD that is interesting because I am Christian. We were taught in catholic schools that the Israelis have kicked out most of the Christians. Only leaving a few Coptic Christians to run the Christian holy sites as tourist attractions. So much misinformation and hatered. Thank you for your videos. I am looking forward to part 3

Maybe watch the video? I cited the book (and spelled the author’s name correctly)

I haven't read his book yet.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD I highly recommend it! Very easy and captivating read. I am sure you could finish it in a few days. Certainly doesn't do too many favors for Israel, but it has a lot of inside information on Hamas and the PLO. Very fascinating read.

You are welcome

Sorry, 1980's

Valuable observations. I think we can make a pretty good case for a range of opinions in the PLO at least before the 2nd Intifada (will be discussed in the next video), and as for your second point, that's a very significant philosophical question. The current situation is very much a kulturkampf that cannot easily be resolved through negotiation, and that is partially due to the fact that both sides have very different values. I, for one, have a very difficult time trying to understand the death-worship that seems to pervade much of the public pronouncements of Hamas leaders, mothers of suicide bombers, and so on.

It’s on my agenda, hoping to get back to the medieval period first

Post-Covid.

Thank you. The AI isn’t or but it is helpful

Unfortunately I find it quite distracting, I'm not sure what value it provides and just seems like a trend for TikTok. If anybody wants close captioning they can turn it on in the RU-vid settings. Also it gets a lot of the nouns wrong, like names of things people places or etc. And so involves some cognitive activity instead of focusing on the excellent words you are saying. Appreciate your sensitivity in all of your work Dr. please continue these as hard as they may be to do because they are really valuable, a candle in a sea of darkness right now