The best part of this is there's a replicator right there. There's no effort for this sandwich. You can have a sandwich like that any time you want on the Orville. And yet, Gordon is still really surprised and excited to get that sandwich he sent himself.
What I think about is whether the ship is in the same place. Sending something into the future, does it show up at the place where the item was? Because that ship may not be in the same place it was?
@@kettch777 well it was 3 months ago, he just forgot. But I also find it funny that's he's one of those weirdos and is good friends with Malloy, the biggest weirdo.
The bit where malloy and Lamarr are talking to Talla when she's new about some of the shit that's happened always makes me laugh "I humped a statue and almost died" "Issac cut off my leg" "The captain and the commander were kidnapped for a zoo" "One time bortus almost crashed the ship cos of porn"
Talk about the master of Deferred Gratification. Gordon gets a sandwich he presumably wants to eat now, and sends it 3 months into the future. And then says, "I can't wait to eat that Sandwich".
@@markcantemail8018 it was sent into the future by three months, so the sandwich did not age at all. like if you were sent a million years into the future, you wouldn't be a million years old lol
@@markcantemail8018 Basically about about as much time passed for us watching the clip as did for the sandwich so it wouldn't get moldy in a couple of minutes.
That's actually a revolutionary piece of technology. Instead of storing supplies in space, you can store them in time. Anything that has a known rate of consumption can be sent forward so as you reappear when it will be needed.
That's a radical idea -- very clever. Whether it is the best use of resources probably depends at least partly on whether just replicating the items uses less energy than sending them forward in time.
@@JaniceLHz True, for most replicatable things it's probably cheaper to just replicate the item. But for thinks like fuel, or weapons or platinum you could store them in time while hooked up to a spacestation, and then have them appear later saving on weight and ship size.
Watching this video I saw this, the top previewed comment, dissing "Star Trek" & came into the replies to rip OP a new one. Then I saw the last word was "Discovery". Uhh.. we're good OP 😅😅
This is one of the most impressively patient "wait for it" jokes I have ever seen..... and the fact that it actually makes sense is even funnier, I'm glad this series pays attention to the little details....
Unlike STD or Picard where they would forget about stuff in the same episode lol, Stargate SG-1 also was good with continuity, STD and Picard just shits on their own continuity and to continuity of good old Star Trek!
One of the little details they didn't pay any attention to was how Mercer was throwing his cup around. When he takes a drink near the end of the clip it looks to be at least 3/4 full. Yet when he is gesticulating with it he is throwing it around as if it is empty.
@@1Chasg Not just "oh... Cool... I guess". He was really pissed off, and the sandwich appearing cheered him up. It served a purpose, one he "planted" three months earlier.
The sandwich arrived to a surviving Orville - timeline up to now secured! The sandwich improved the mood of Gordon Malloy, who then could now stomach the idea of letting Bortus having a swing at being best man, averting relationship tension and potential future crisis - FUTURE secured! This sandwich is a hero.
I didn't know when, but I was always certain the sandwich would show up again. Every episode since, whenever they were in that section of Engineering, I was waiting for the sandwich. I was almost as happy as Gordon when it finally reappeared.
...It's 1:20am. I should probably have gone to bed an hour ago, but here we are... and you have convinced me to go make a sandwich, right now! 😋 It's going to have strips of chicken, melted cheese, mayo and baby spinach leaf, on a bun, served hot. I shall enjoy it in thy name! 🙏
And if a mere sandwich could have branched a new timeline, there's no way happily married with a child Gordon didn't branch one. Hopefully the TVA won't come for him.
Neither past mattered to Orville and the Union to that date. His life with a wife and two kids was already in the Orville database...so it happened and they were still them and still were in the union and the crew was a the same. The only thing you can say now is they needed him back to lead the fighter squadron in ep9...how they got him is the only way he wouldn't quit or be court marshaled. The erasure of the children was a metaphor of they don't really matter if present career Gordon never experienced them....but they do matter to Ed as he was confronted with an unwanted birth he now longs for. Better writing than many think.
I'm really glad Seth sort of took a backseat and became a supporting actor this season. He still had 1 or 2 episodes where he was the focus but most went to the 2nd and 3rd layer characters. Like DS9 it made the show feel more complete and lived in.
When you have a decent-sized cast, ya might as well use them. Ya never know when you're going to end up with a cult of personality like Morn on your hands until give characters a shot to shine
Thanks for mentioning DS9. It was a well written show [ espcially the war arch ] with characters and events that could not have existed in the earlier Star Trak programs. Such as Cpt. Cisco walking into the tailor shop and punching out Garak for bombing a shuttle and starting a war. Compared to the earlier ST programs, the charcters in DS9 acted more like people with pasts and problems.
@@JE-western-rider DS9 might not be the best Trek, but it is definitely my favorite Trek, though had Enterprise seen a 5th season, that rank might've been up for grab The characters and their growth really made the show stand out.
@@JE-western-rider @J E All other Treks had a logic-cock-blocker that stopped the main character from being impulsive, usually it was a Vulkan like Spock, Tuvok or T'pol and in TNG it was Data, but Cisco had no such chastity belt and it meant he got to enjoy a lot of Shaft moments where he could dish out on fools with a crushed velvet glove of slapping.
The sandwich is actually a metaphor for the episode. The first and last scenes were both lighthearted and funny, but between them was loaded with tension and drama. An emotional sandwich.
hardly makes up for that episode where they erased him and his family from existence, though. they could've just not bothered with him, gain back in time, and got him from the proper point
@@InfernosReaper not telling him and doing that would have been even crueler imo. Letting him think he’s gonna be happy with his family and then ripping it away from him without his knowledge would be pretty messed up.
@@ksaraf23 not really because if he and family got erased from existence, they'd have been none the wiser. honestly, I don't see why they couldn't just take him and his family back, and fix the timeline that way. after all they later take someone from a pre-space travel society into the Union, why not this family? It was just a dick move
This scene cracked me up - mainly due to how unexepected it was! Really hoping this series gets renewed - so many more stories to tell and it's a show this world really needs right now - perfect escapsim mixed with beautiful and meaningful storytelling.
I like to think the genesis of this came from the time Isaac amputated Gordon's leg and then it fell from the ceiling later in the episode. Someone tweeted Seth Macfarlane at the time and asked if any thought had been given to having the leg drop down a few episodes later instead and Macfarlane replied what a great idea that would have been.
I had completely forgot about the sandwich because I was focused on the emotional episode of that time travel episode, but after seeing that sandwich again, I feel incredibly satisfied.
That's what I like about him.... he's just this regular guy doing his job and not over-thinking anything. One problem of Star Trek is the general lack of ordinary people who don't eat/breathe/sleep fe-de-ra-tion all the time. It's also why he fit in so well in the 21st century... send him anywhere at any time and he'll adapt.
A very lighthearted moment you didn't see in TNG, yet it shows the strong camaraderie of the "Orville" crew that made them the best ship to work with in the Planetary Union 😉
Thee TNG crew was way more professional, being the flagship and all. The Orville crew started out as a band a misfits. Very refreshing, yes, because that is how everyday people are at work.
The way Ed was waving that coffee mug around, it's a wonder he didn't spill any of it. Yep, while everyone else is going on and on about the sandwich, I'm worried about Ed spilling his coffee. LOL!!
Even if they never renew the show, this really sums up the entire experience of watching Orville "This is a goddamn weird ass place we work in, lemme tell ya"
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
Can't imagine what it would have been in the writers room to set this up one episode and have it work out a scenario where the return of the sandwich would have impact beyond a cheap gag much later.
Some times a snack really does help, give you time to think about something else, calm down and feel less stressed. Wish future me could send me sandwhiches at the exact moment he knew I’d need it
Seth once said in a interview he wanted the show to be a drama from the start but no one would green light it if it wasn't a comedy. The third season Seth has way more freedom was able to tell the storys he wanted to.
@@xanosdarkpaw1 They are _fewer_ and more subtle, The Orville is still great and has truly achieved parity with golden age Trek but I did prefer the more joke laden format because it took the edge off of the serious matters at hand. I do not think it needs to be a laugh a minute but I think it would have been better if it had found a middle ground.
I still laugh hysterically at Ed's question of which made Gordon more upset, this or the invasion of Earth. Then I can't breathe when John mutters his last line, all while Ed remains completely unfazed. 🤣🤣🤣 These moments are why I miss this show so much! This scene was so well set up and it was stupid funny.
Can't argue with Malloy. Imagine your sat doing your job one day and out of no were a delicious egg salad sandwich magically appears. That'd cheer me up too.
@@chrisfs150 Depends how their made I guess. I used to love the egg mayo buns they made at my work cafe. Even better with salt and vinegar crisps put in but the ones they made in most shops tasted horrible.
Its like watching a ship full of high school buddies who try to act serious but every once in a while they goof around and then there are a couple people who are tossed into the middle of it trying to make sense of all of the shenanigans. Such a great show!
But it wasn't resolved "just like that". He only sent it 3 months into the future, 2 episodes ago. It'd be different if he said to send it 3 years into the future and it showed up now in order to resolve the minor plot point. Lamar would be like, "oh I must have hit months by mistake instead of years." If that happened, then your comment would make sense.
Love how if they kept the second sandwich they would have created a temporal paradox that would have created a new universe. Would be cool if they came across a species that did this to create stuff.
See I love this show because they reference past episodes and keep continuity, not like most shows now where crazy shit happens and is never brought up again it just makes the whole thing feel more real ya know.
Ah a throwaway joke that inadvertently confirms life in the Orville Universe is pre-determined. if the sandwich moved through time it must have known where the Orville would be in 3 months time, the time machine was no longer at the other end.... if life wasn't deterministic, it should have appeared at a random spot in space, or possibly all points in the universe (The Sandwichverse). This is why you should always have a temporal mechanic in the Writers Room.
Time-travel portrayed in The Orville is shown to be influenced by thought/intent. I believe that's their work around one of the problems of time-travel, of how everything in the universe is moving. Gordan wanted to send the sandwich to a point in the future where he would be happy to see it, and that's when the sandwich turned up. Without an intent of destination / origin the device seems to be rather inaccurate in regards to the spacetime coordinates.
it's a cute joke, and it made me laugh. Realistically, though? They would have needed to know where the Orville was going to be in 3 months, which of course they don't have that data, so that sandwich should have technically appeared where it was transported from. Unless of course it would be like a Star Trek transporter, where you lock on to a receiving pad to transport to..
I believe it's like Star Trek where locks in on the pad that it was transported from. Since Seth is giving us a Star Trek like universe I am sure that the transporter works like a Star Trek teleporter
@@derekseven1647 Yeah, but the different thing here is, it travels through time. I've not watched this season of the Orville, yet, but my understanding is they destroyed that device at some point, so when the sandwich rematerializes, things are different at that point.
You should not forget the sandwich appears in the future in an instant, or in a parallel universe thst is 3 months ahead . So this is not his sandwich, it's the sandwich send just now from the universe that is 3 months in the past. Where he made the 10 sec scene if it is in universe, he could bite of a piece and it should have disappeared from the future one. Otherwise the device could freeze it in time for the 3 months knowing the future, it just waits for the Orville to pass by on the predicted location and appears...so the future is already written and the machine send the sandwich back before it actually was send back. So even the destruction of the device has no affect as the sandwich is already placed at the location 3 months in the future and waiting for the time line to catch up
Assuming for them, the time travel device works by placing the object at a very specific point in time. In the sandwich's case, it was sent to that same table/console 3 months ago. I mean if you want to be specific, our planet is MOVING in space. So going back or forward in time means we need to be aware that the planet is NOT in the same place in space at that specific time
I feel like they would be fully aware of that and would have designated quantum locks for the time travel. The Orville or even the table could have a unique signature that the time machine uses as a point of reference. I know they don't say that in the show but that's my internal logic for all time travel stuff.
Now that i've seen this and been thinking about it. I think the Sandwich is actually a reference to a comment from Scotty in the Kelvin Star Trek Timeline. When Kirk and Elder Spock encounters him, Scotty is ranting about some of his work, one of them is about advanced subspace transportation tech and that he used Admiral's Archers prized beagle which kirk knew. When asked about it Scotty simply said I'll tell you when it re-appears. Supposedly when the Kelvin Timeline was finished or ended at least with there version of the TOS crew. We were supposed to eventually see that beagle appear as a way of closing. Think Seth is paying homage to that line.
For a moment, I thought you were going to say when Kirk tells Scotty that Spock is from the future, Scotty says: "Well that's great, do they still have sandwiches there?"
What's confusing is that the ship is definitely not in the same place in the universe as when they sent the sandwich into the future. How did the device know the table would be somewhere in an entirely different galaxy months later?
@@omegamon0239 It one of the big plot holes I always saw in time-travel (with regards to a mode of transportation that doesn't effect space). If a time traveller ever used their powers they'd die, because traveling through time without bending space/matter with it would just cause the person to be throw into outer space. The earth moves 67,000 miles per hour, rotating around the sun, as well as being pushed away from the center of the origin of the big bang. By that logic if a person went one hour into the past, they'd wind up 67,000 miles where the earth used to be while the earth is still hurdling through space.
Nothing to see here. Move along. ALL time travel stories ignore the fact that you are never in the same place. The earth rotates at about 1600 km/h, moves around the sun at 108,000 km/h and over all traveling through space at 390 km/s. 🤔
@@DonLekei but there's no absolute origin or coordinate (0,0,0) in the universe anyway. Even when talking about how the earth moves that's relative to our sun. But our sun moves. Galaxies move. And Galaxic clusters move relative to each other.
The most logical answer is that it bridged the two light-years-removed points in space and sent the sandwich there. The machine probably see's the Universe the same way as a mass-less particle does: Absent of time, and able to touch *every part* of the Universe simultaneously. (At C, the Universe becomes infinitely flat due to length contraction. A photon sees no volume to space) Since the cosmic expansion of space time is always creating "new" space everywhere at once, I'd write the mechanics of the device to look for the spacial coordinates of the destination, completely negating the need for time as a variable. (Which also allows you to move between two points without worrying about where the destination is, since such reference frames would view all coordinate systems as flat with no time axis) It doesn't need to be a plot hole unless you assume the machine can only "access" what's immediately in front of it during activation; then you'd see the sandwhich appear floating in space somewhere, far removed from the ship. I should note that because time travel is impossible, *any* sci fi attempt to make it realistic will fail from conception. The only way it works in sci fi is to ignore your senses of disbelief.
So? Nobody wants to talk about the Fact that Gordon foresaw that he would need the sandwich exactly 3 months in the future to take his mind off the anger of Bortos stealing him the show? No? OK!
This is a good philosophy in life. Prepare little surprises for yourself. I remember waking up from being black-out drunk only to find a bottle of water ready at my bedside. Take care of yourself, because you'll always be you. Even ten years from now, it's just you. So invest in yourself.
I admire his wisdom. He knew that if he just ate the sandwich at the time he first had it, then it would just be another sandwich. But if he sent it into the future it would eventually be a pleasant surprise that would brighten up his day.
This show has really taken another step this season. I have more fun watching this show than any other. It has been a very long time since I was excited for the next episode for any show.
At times Orville can be more Star Trek meets Family Guy, but at other times it is nearly that right blend of Star Trek and Red Dwarf. Mind you, they missed an awesome opportunity to mix up the sandwiches! He could resolve it by taking a bite out of one and seeing if it affects the other - if not, it's the later sandwich, if it does it's the Prime Sandwich. Temporal emergency solved.
I honestly imagined a fight occurring in that room in a later episode then the sandwich suddenly appearing to the confusion of the characters only for one of them to use the plate as a weapon against the other. Gordon would later notice the debris and remember the sandwich.
