I love how the show evolved into a more mature, Star Trek style show, instead of only a parody. They walk the line between parody and seriousness really really well
Oh, it's still parody or comedy. They don't even attempt to have a consistent canon or plausible physics or something. Just look at how that defending fleet is in their face a second after that ultimatum is sent. And just before that, there was nothing except black space and a lonely planet... the home planet of a militaristic interstellar super power. I mean, even Earth right now has more stuff in orbit...
It’s weird cuz when the union ships came out of hyperspace there was only like 18 ships but when both the fleets start attacking there’s like 40 union ships ?
I wish they would have stopped for a hot minute and thought about actual tactics and maneuver. This is just a bunch of ships running around and a mixed melee. In reality Fleet level tactics have a tremendous effect. For example, a well-organized group of twelve ships will utterly destroy a random group of twelve ships. They don't have to show us all the details but just drop a few hints that they actually are using Fleet level maneuvers. Have a few of the screenshots of battle showing organized groups of squads of ships. Show there's a group of Fighters and destroyers dedicated to protecting the Capital ships. It wouldn't cost anymore in terms of CGI. I'm not dogging on the show. I'm just suggesting this as an improvement.
I think it works for the Orville verse. Rush in and mix in enemy formation, force them to avoid hitting their own ships as well as yours. Ships don’t seem too hard to destroy.
@@JcBravo8 they actually used a form of maneuver showing that it matters in the episode with the kaylon weapon. Tactics begin to make a difference the instant you have three or more units. Whether those units are individual soldiers, boats, planes, Etc. If you get your attack off a fraction of a second before the other side, you live and they die which is why flanking is so important.
At this point, as fun as it would definitely be to see a fight between the two, it would be a one sided affair. The Union's vessels are vastly more agile than Starfleet's are, but the main concerning weakness of Union starships are their blind spots. Their weapons are mostly forward facing while Starfleet vessels' primary weapons are multi-directional and capable of firing on more than one target at a time. Besides, the high agility of Union starships are negated by how accurate Starfleet phasers are. They likely would be able to outmaneuver photon torpedoes, but as we've seen phasers are more than enough on their own to not necessarily rely too heavily on torpedoes. I will grant that Union ships' primary weapons do pack a much bigger punch due to their design than phasers do, Starfleet vessels can unleash more firing power over a long period of time than Union vessels can due to the multi-direction range and multi-ship targeting ability that Starfleet vessels are capable of. Ship to ship, the Orville is likely capable of running circles around a Galaxy Class vessel and may even be a match with smart combat tactics, but fleet engagements would be a very different story. All this isn't even addressing how devastating Starfleet vessels' torpedo barrages can be IE: torpedo spread and the like.
What ires me more is the ships are not in any formation and packed together like sardine. Even with fewer ships that are well space out can better show the immense space battle.
Now this is really cool, I've expected for the other starships to join the Orville. However what are the names of the other starships ? I would like to know the name of all of the starships from the fleet, I know the Orville. But I don't know the names of the other starships
I get cinematically, the fight looks good, but those close range pulse lasers are a very dumb primary weapon for a fight in space, especially when it's ship to ship.
Never did understand the tech in this world. If even the biggest union battleships with full shields can get one shotted, what's the point of taking up the space and power of the shield generator?
They can't be one shotted Even the Kaylon Need Two ships to destroy one Union Cruiser...the only reason why they could be Destroyed in one shot is if Their Deflectors are Weekend enough to for an attack from Another ship to go through the deflectors, another reason is If the deflectors are completely down.
Why is the comments filled with Star Woke "fans" complaining about this scene, and the loss of life, as if this doesn't happen in Star Trek all the time. If you weren't shill-bots and actually watched Star Trek before Bad Reboot came along, you would have seen things like the Dominion War, or The Borg at Wolf 359 killing way more people and ships than you see in this Orville scene. Go back to Twitter and Paramount+.
A hat tip to your mentioning the Borg at Wolf 359 and the Dominion War. I don't think the amount of carnage is the main issue, at least not what I've seen in many of the comments. I think it is the impression that the Union is bad at strategy. To use your example, the Federation essentially fought two wars for survival. At Wolf 359 against the Borg, they rallied as many ships that they could and even asked the Klingons and Romulans for assistance because the threat was so great. During the Dominion war, entire fleets would be decimated or wiped out fighting against the Jem'Hadar and Cardassians, but this was total war and the very survival of the Federation was at stake, hundreds of world, trillions of lives. It was also shown that these losses were catastrophic and in no way acceptable. I think that's where the differences lay. It appears that the Union is perfectly willing to sacrifice several ships, maybe even the entire fleet of 12 ships to save six people, including the Union president. It just seems too flippant and nothing was done to minimize losses, like bombarding planetary defenses prior to engagement, or reinforcements jumping in on the flanks of the defending Krill forces, etc.
@@conroypawgmail I agree to the extent that the impression of The Orville not being as serious as Star Trek in situations is correct, because McFarlane is the show runner, and he's not that serious ever. His "relationship" with Halston Sage causing her to leave the show after the first season, when she was the breakout character demonstrates his lack of concern for the mechanics of the show. My main complaint was the multiple comments whining about loss of life and ships, demonstrating a lack of knowledge of SF shows. Same things happened in Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica. It's a Space Opera trope really. Not to mention people discussing strategy and tactics of space combat, which does not exist. No creator has discussed a detailed analysis of how combined naval and aerial combat works tactically or strategically in either small ship dogfighting, or massive scale fleet level engagements in space. So pointing out a flaw that exists in SF anyway is redundant, and got to me as a nu-fan hot-take. Thank you for your nice reply though!😀
@@ghost_shadow_at_midnight i agree with you as a trekkie is see this show as the orville and not "the trek replacement" .. i like both franchises and i keep comments respective to the show
They done all that for 6 people. lost countless lives and multiple ships for "6" people. That is so fking dumb they need a new word for how dumb that is.
Deliberately kidnapping the leader of their government at peqce talks needs a response. Otherwise people lose faith in the government and the krill realize they can do what they want without consequence and will do it.
@@monza1002000 Not correct? The U.S. Army Field Manual FM 7-21.13 Section 4.18: 4-18. A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma’am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma’am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion.
This is the Orville we're talking about. There is literally canonically a species that reproduces asexuelly, so the Union probably decided "Frak it. Let's just use sir for everyone. It's shorter anyway."
Exactly! If the president of the US was taken captive by a foreign power, I can't imagine the US military not using all their resources to rescue the president even if they lose more troops in the process than people rescued. It wouldn't even matter if they are a good president or not, it's the principle of the thing - foreign leaders invited to negotiate in foreign lands should be safe from assault by those foreign powers. If a leader is warned not to goto another country by that country and does anyway, that's a different story, but yeah, Kill invited the Union president and then the new leader kidnapped him? That demands a response in any scenario.
Remember in TNG when Spock went to Romulus and the Federation nearly pooped bricks? Wondering if he had defected or been taken hostage? The Admiral literally went and said, if either is true the damage to the Federation would be immense/incalculable he was a highly decorated star fleet veteran and major diplomat in a family of diplomats Now Imagine if the Federation president went missing and was spotted in Romulus? The man/woman/sentient being that oversees all major Federation decisions and acts, privy to every secret, every mission, every project, and major covert ops half of Starfleet would be in Romulus by the end of the week. The other half manning the neutral zone. And the klingons would probably keep their fleet active and near the border. In case the humans favorite sport of negotiations ends up in a shooting war.
So they recovered 6 people in a shuttle, lost a couple hundred in battle and then left a few ships worth of crew behind after hastily abandoning the enemy planet's orbit? That's what I call a total victory.
So the people themselves are only a small part of the reason why a civilization would start a fight like this over a small delegation. The main reason is probably because you HAVE to respond to such actions or your own people lose faith that you can protect them and the enemy (the krill) become even bolder and believe they can commit more crimes without consequence. That being said, sallying forth to have a a knife range spacefight and leaving ships and people behind is a definitely bad/stupid move.
@@MarkJones-by6xv to be clear, it was a valid reason to attack to save your citizen's, the problem is ¿Why they leave behind military personnel? ¿How many wounded? ¿How many war prisoner's just abandoned at the mercy of the enemy? ¿Why?? ¿Their lives doesn't matter?
@@guillermocaceres3854 thats why i said i agree that leaving people and ships behind was stupid. Honestly, an attack like this irl would probably be one ship trying diplomacy. If that fails, then a fleet would jump in and just bomb everything to hell.
Man it’s not like they were rescuing the Union PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT after a deal gone wrong and a coup launched by Teleya left them in a unlawful arrest and kindly point “war crimes”.
I've seen a lot of people completely miss the point of this engagement, thinking it was meant to be a strategic advance against the Krill, when it was simply a very elaborate distraction to allow Lamarr and Dr Finn to extract the Delegation, which included the President, the VP, an Admiral, one of the luckiest captains in the Union, and someone capable of visualizing the fourth dimension, an ability that is so rare, it is a 'Once in a generation' occurence.
"Elaborate"? Even "very elaborate"? Federation seems to be based on US Navy experience in many, many ways... and history prooves that USN made many mistakes and stupid decisions, but... well... they never did these kind of elaborate decisions so far. Commanding real military vessels is little different than playing RTS game, where u just select all units and send them against enemy... if they fail, u build forces again and again. I dont expect movies to be real in every sense, but I wouldn't mind if they didn't harm wievers inteligence, that is all. And we all know that trekkies will "explain" everything that happens in their fav movie, but if the creators count only on this, it is just not enough for me.
@@failsafe123123 To put things in perspective, the U.S. Navy demolished Joseon's (Korea) entire defense structure in the 1890s because a cargo ship ran aground onto Korea and Joseon killed the crew. About 5,000 Koreans died and 15 castles along the Han river were wiped off the map. It's a possible reason Joseon fell to the Japanese so easily in 1915. The U.S. Navy does make decisions like that to prevent future stupidity from other countries. Sometimes it seems barbaric or short sighted, but this is a diplomatic delegation with a sitting Union President. Even if the Union lost twenty ships and thousands of crew, it sends a message to no screw with the Union like that.
@@Zachomara I had not heard of this engagement before. Interesting! And I agree 100 percent. It is important to speak softly and carry a big stick. And be willing to use it out of all proportion to the provocation, specifically in order to send a fearful future message for all time that amounts to "Do NOT mess with us again, under ANY circumstances, or you WILL pay the price!" This is how you set the basis of good future foreign relations.
@@Zachomara Mark Twain once defined diplomacy in a humorous, but very apropos way. Below is a paraphrase from memory. "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggy, nice doggy!', while urgently looking for a brick to knock him endways with". 😂
There's a story of (Lou Bei I think) an incredible general who could shot arrows and kill anyone on the battlefield. The sieged city gave all their arrows to the general and he shot every single one until the entire stockpile for the whole army was depleted, and after a day of no arrow volleys, the enemy knew the MVP general was out of ammo. In an effort to replenish supplies, the general loaded up a ship with men and made it seem like he was trying to flee/retreat down river, the ship being refortified to with stand assault. The Ship was targeted with ranged attacks for hours. It turns out the ship was completely, refortified for a different reason, The ship was covered head-to-toe with all the fabric and ropes the city could spare. After being peppered with arrows, the ship returned back home and the defenders removed all the stuck undamaged arrows from the ship's hull and gave them to the general. Spoilers, the general won the fight.
I always find it remarkably convenient that opposing battle fleets fire lasers of different colours...it certainly helps the viewers understand what's going on. 😆
Its not just convenient, it also mirrors the characteristics of the species and their home world. Union ships have blue lasers because earth has a large amount of water, and looks blue. Krill ships have green lasers because their planet has a dark atmosphere, so a bright color may be disturbing for them. Moclan ships have yellow/orange(I think) because their planet is full of pollution and has an orange tinge to its atmosphere. And finally Krill ships have red because when they turned against their builders, their eyes took a red glow, and their ships also mimic that facial feature of theirs
My headcanon is that all recordings and visuals in space are more like Augmented reality, enhanced by computers (hence the lack of lighting-issues in space) and they overlay weapons-fire with faction-specific color choices to make it easier for us and the characters to keep track of things. This works for most sci-fi *glares at Star Wars* but not all.
Hope they show admiral Ozawa more next season. Love the Orville series, definitely feels more like trek as a whole, though the space battles aren’t perfect and a lot of people make good points about them… btw they have a lot of different types of ships in this fleet, they have fighters, science and explorer classes and leviathan class battleships here, they just don’t look massively distinct from each other.
I think it has something to do with the type of FTL and the FTL drive they use. Most likely that shape that most of there ships use is the most efficient. The Drive can even be seen on there fighters. Suspected gravetic manipulation.
I know the show is called "the Orville" so the show obviously has to be about the ship and its crew, however, considering how much of an impact Ed & his crew have had in all 3 seasons to the Planetary Union, you'd think they'd all have been promoted to a larger heavy cruiser ship by now. 😁
Why take them away from the place where they perform the best? Why disrupt that? The same thing can be said in _Star Trek IV- The Voyage Home,_ when Admiral Kirk needed to be punished for his crime, but the Federation Council didn't want to lose such a valuable asset. They probably knew he was not suited to a desk job (the same as him all the way back in _Star Trek The Motion Picture_ ), but that he excelled as a starship captain. So the most reasonable course of action was demotion _rather than_ imprisonment, and then place _Captain_ Kirk in command of the newly-renamed _Enterprise-A._
@@crichtonvasmoya4290 It was never a gag. It was only wearing a Family Guy suit because that was the only way Fox would produce anything from MacFarlane. It was always supposed to be it's own ScFi show, based on 80s Star Trek and other SciFi. Now Hulu executives give more freedom to MacFarlane and the creators so the show is able to leave behind the "Family Guy in space" act. With that I don't mean "no jokes" but that the comedy is more native to the Orville instead of being enforced by Fox which I think is a good thing.
its a shame it never got to be a real SciFi show from the start. Even the first season is better than anything modern star trek related and that was when it meant to be a joke. Character and world development would have been a lot better if not the need to be funny. @@jimi4985
There's something I've been wondering about for some time: The Union captured an entire Krill ship intact back in season 1. A golden opportunity to reverse engineer Krill technology and adapt things like deflectors and weapons accordingly. And then there was the deflector upgrade by the Moclans in season 2. And still the Union's ships are outmatched by the Krill's. I think the Union's ships should've had a much better chance against the Krill with the captured technology and the deflector upgrade.
Your talking about a comparison about equal to Starfleet vs the Klingons, Starfleet leans on diplomacy and exploration and therefore doesnt have a lot of pure combat ships vs the Klingons who are a warlike race that sacrifice looks and comfort in their ships for more weapons and such. A warlike race would focus more on weapons technologies and shields vs a peaceful race that would focus on things like crop yields, colonization techniques, terraforming, faster warp travel, better sensors. So its all about what your group chooses to prioritize and in a scene like this the Krill would be the Klingons and the Orville would be part of Starfleet. Thats why in nearly every scene with the Orville it gets its teeth kicked in, its an exploration ship akin to Voyager rather than a cruiser like the Enterprise and they quantumed in with a very large number of Orville class ships in this scene.
Union ships are most definitely superior to their Krill counterparts Take the Kaylon ambush at Sabek 3 for example. the tactics and decisions utilized by the Union shows me their strength, as they start off outnumbered, yet stay and fight for a time before ordering a retreat. When the Moclan-Krill allied fleet see the Kaylon approach to assist the Union, the Krill admiral almost immediately laments "Avis help us all" and then Dies
is it just me or do the leviathan class ships of the Union fleet never fire a shot while their on screen? like u don't actually see them fire their weapons up close
@@ThePASBERUK pre-Kaylon threat, that was true, but after, those ships got upgrades.... hell, even pre-Kaylon they still had to fight the Krill and others, so it seems a bit silly to always be so limited in combat options
Yeah, when I see this stuff I see ships that weren't designed by people with a military background and action scenes that weren't written by people with a military background. A ship like that would have small weapons for destroying objects in their path As backup to whatever deflector system they use. Plus lighter weapons for tracking smaller ships and then heavier anti ship weapons.
@@timothyarnold1679 and also watched anything about wars or military tech. Honestly, armaments aside, the ships probably aren't even *that* bad, but the military tactics as so bad it's like Zapp Brannigan playing a RTS.
@@DavidKnowles0 Depends on the lucensees. The few remaining model kit companies in the U.S. aren't interested in Orville model kits. One of them is making bank releasing new kits based on the 1975-77 show Space:1999. They're going to dig farther by making kits from the 1970 one-season series UFO. But no Orville.
@@dalethelander3781 Because Orville has a lot of younger fans, and I'm not sure anyone born after 1986 knows what modeling glue is supposed to be used for.
@@starrionx1 You'd be surprised. Plastic modeling has been making a comeback, thanks to Round2. They own the Polar Lights, AMT, MPC, Lindberg, and Hawk brands. They release retooled and original Star Trek kits, Space:1999, Star Wars (including The Mandalorian), plus all the usual suspects of cars, planes, armor, what-have-you. Right now, they're tooling up the first two kits in the UFO line, the Moonbase Interceptor and the S.H.A.D.O. Mobile. Finally, accurate kits from that tv series. For the record, a company called Fantastic Plastic made a small-scale Orville in polueurathane resin, but they were hit with a C & D order.
the mere score of this show is just so wonderful.. the orville has a wonderful taste for adapting the music according to the atmosphere, i sure hope the composer releases the new horizons soundtrack soon (edit: the soundtrack is out BUT the only track missing is the music that plays when they enter orbit with the fleet)
It's always weird watching these clips after not watching the show for a while. I keep forgetting they don't have transporters. They really are spoiled in Star Trek.
@@Kashis_Corner I'm so tired of this response. The Expanse is great, of course, but high levels of realism don't always make great drama. Most battles in The Expanse, onscreen, were boring, especially compared to what was described in the books.
@@Wraithage79 I just outright disagree. As a huge scifi fan (BSG, old and new Star Trek, old and new Star Wars, Star Gate ect) The Expanse has to be my top ranking just because its so real. A comparison between 3 minute scenes; Here we see bad tactics (Like taking dozens of ships to save 6 people, which was explored already in StarTrek to a much better degree), bad tech, and actions that seem genuinly fake (like that shuttle drift). But looking at the Rocinante vs The Pella, you can see each INDIVIDUAL shot, and track it through frames and see each shot hit. This show makes space feel 'fluid' and fake. If you thought think The Expanse is boring, this must just be mind numbingly boring. If you look to literally any GodFather of SciFi you will hear them tie it in with REAL LIFE comparisons, that is because everything has to have some basis in real life, or else it has no context. (For extra context here, no G-Forces (easily 6G) on the shuttle 'drift', but they jolt when they land, so it can't be inertial dampeners. Their left wing is on fire, and then suddenly just... isnt. Continuity doesn't mean realistic, it means care and attention. I would rather that, than this.) [Added continuity, Bobby Draper in the Expanse, you can see where she gets shot on her armour. As in, every fight adds permanent damage to her costume that is never removed. That. Is attention to detail.] THAT is why people keep trying to recommend it. You know that after The Expanses second season they considered cancelling it due to ratings. It was people like Chie who would throw it out to people who MAY NOT ALREADY KNOW IT EXISTS! I got multiple people, hardcore sci-fi fan who loved it enough to lower some of their favourite shows and films in their personal rankings. Now, seeing people talk about "But the Orville is so much better than X, Y and Z" in almost every comment section. That shit. That shit is annoying. I was watching a clip from the Halo TV show, and someone said something like "That wouldn't happen in the Orville, this show is too dark"... NGL, The Orville fanbase is probably the cringest out there just because they compare everything to this junk. And for reference, he was asking a question, not responding with a statement, if your tired of people asking other people if they've seen a show, that seems like your issue, not theirs.
How the fuck is this even considered “good” it’s generic copy/paste ships with zero sense of weight with absolutely hideous designs. You people are too busy trying to cover your face on Seth’s baby batter instead of actually thinking about what makes a good sci fi battle other than “it’s not Star Trek and ohhh pretty colours”. So cringe.
I'll Quote Mark Jones in this these comments: "you HAVE to respond to such actions or your own people lose faith that you can protect them and the enemy (the krill) become even bolder and believe they can commit more crimes without consequence."
You make two types of movies: ones in which everything should really have sense and ones in which nothing is really expected to have sense. Now, lets guess where Orville belongs? ;-P. We have 2022 but they still consider space battles as "piu-piu-piu" knife fights in taverns.
I want in season 4 (hopefully) where like in voyager the Union make a new experimental vessel that instead of being meant for scientific or exploratory purposes. They are meant to address the military factor that the Union badly needs with Kaylon tech upgrades.
its an Exploratory class vessel, built for speed, range, endurance. She's the side of a light destroyer. Effectivly she's a light destroyer. There are smaller sips then her that operate as corvettes packing the same firepower, but with less range. there are also light and heavy cruisers that are bigger then her, battleships, super battleships, carriers. Upgrade isn't the issue for the ship. Its punching well above its weight class and doing well for itself.
@@casanimated1715 lately dark is a trend: it was dark in GoT's battle for winterfell, then this whole obi-wan series and especially season's finale; now SNW gets even darker. Are they trying to highlight the effects?
The Orville's battle scenes seem to resemble those of DS9. I remember in particular these kinds of moves and manoeuvres in battles of Chint'oka and the final battle of Cardiassia.
You get a wide shot of the whole union fleet arrive, consolidate and then move to the Krill home world. Another wide shot of the Union fleet arrive at the Krill home world same number of ships. Battle commences and the Union fleet is now almost 4 times the size it was when it arrived LOL silly silly silly
And this is how you know there were no Canadian captains on any of the ships...we would have just started firing indiscriminately at the planet itself until they surrendered...
yes it doesn't make much sense does it? On the other hand on the enemy planet members of the galactic council along with the the PRESIDENT were captive and ready to be executed. I have seen Wars on Earth for much lesser reasons.
One of those people was the president of the Planetary Union. I suspect most states would expend at least some effort to retrieve their kidnapped head of state.
cool fight but how many people were they trying to save vs how many did they just get killed.. also how did everyone just break contact so easily. i saw half a dozen ships get their engines wrecked but when it was time to go they were all suddenly fine? if even one of those ships couldn't run, you now have even more people trapped. at what point do you say, well there's nothing we can do. if they risk a whole fleet for like 5 people they cant very well just leave a full capital ship behind. so now they have to commit to the battle regardless.
Well one of those five people was president of the Union so that justifies the effort. Good point on potential Union prisoners. That would be a nice follow-up for future seasons.
Only some people's lives matter .. The people / crews they lost .. or those they put at risk .. were all viewed as 'expendable' .. it doesn't matter how bad the ratio is .. 100:1 , 1000:1 , lost to recover ratio. Also in addition to their own 'expendable people' .. those 5 people are also worth ... The billions of citizens of the planet are now 100% rationalized to legitimately see them as evil attacking aliens .. they just brought a hostile alien space fleet and attacked the planet .. thankfully the brave planetary defense forces were able to repel the evil attacking alien fleet this time , but they will be back to again try and force the planet to submit (enslave) to their alien authority , or kill those who oppose them.
@@ianpgeorge the krill already saw the union as evil. Their religion believes that only the Krill have souls, everyone else is at best an animal and it is the Krills divine right to take whatever they want from other races. And the Krill are a very religious race. That is why the union didn't want a war against the Krill, they knew that any conflict would instantly become a 'holy crusade'.
@@Rembanspellsong So in this attack the Union justified and reinforced the Krill anti-union view as not only a religiously correct one , but also as completely rational and logical one supported by evidence.
SOOOO several hundred if not thousands of dead on both sides... dozens of ships destroyed... to rescue 6 people? Who DAFUQ came up with this story? And on a lesser note, HTF did I get here?
Uh 6 people consist of admiral, president, important senator, Ship navigator, a decorated captain on the verge of being executed in enemy capital. Krill wil have slap in the face by losing a chance to kill HVT while on their own turf
If that was a "even" battle... with a massive retreat in a batle like that... is bound to los ships in that momment plus left damaged ships behind.... a lot of KIA and MIA there.
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 It could also be similar to a MAC gun in Halo, where the ships need to literally point in the direction of the target in some way. It could explain why they seem to concentrate on piloting and maneuverability more than straight up firepower.
@@Zachomara Halo ships still have tons of diverse weapons aside of their main Mac guns. The way ships are designed in Orville is amateurish at best, even thought small craft like fighters exist in their verse.
To those complaining about the loss of life to rescue 4 people remember one of those if the PRESIDENT of the union of course they are going to go all out no matter the cost to rescue him. IRL the military would do the same thing.
The shuttle should've landed on the first viable Union ship, but it passed all the ships to get to the Orville. Kelly could've stayed in command until the fleet got to a safe distance. Thanks for the clip.
@@daviduribe004 jumping out with the quantum drive was the tactical retreat, if your quantum drive was offline you weren't leaving that system alive anyway.
They can't really do that when there very limited. Plus that's taking a big risk because what if you do that and you ended up pissing off I don't know maybe like THOUSANDS of planets that's either allianced with the krill or the union because that would be going against the unions code
@@LGranthamsHeir i'm sorry but lol it's okay. The more I watch the Orville the more i can say it's not but it's okay. it's a freakin great series yes it's literally "Seth-Trek"
So they have technology with sophisticated computational powers to allow them to traverse the universe, but when the battle breaks out they aim (and miss) with their weapons????
my main gripe is theres hardly any lore on the specifications on ships and weapons... just generric blue lasers vs green or red lasers... cant see any missiles or torpedoes or any other variation of weaponry....
Okay- so I get this is a distraction and everything but this battle makes no sense. Tactics are … well there aren’t any tactics, just the typical cliche space battle of two big fleets slam into one another- Poor imagination on the show runners part
You do realize the krill can't really DO shit with EXPLORER class ships plus they were SAVING THE PRESIDENT WHICH THEU AREN'T GONNA TAKE EVEN MORE RISK JUST TO SAVE A FRACTION OF THERE ENITIER FLEET SCATTERED ACROSS UNION TERRITORY
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