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The Other Boleyn Girl - Is it accurate? 

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In this latest instalment of her "Questions about Anne Boleyn" series, Claire Ridgway, author of "The Fall of Anne Boleyn: A Countdown", looks at Philippa Gregory's best-selling novel, "The Other Boleyn Girl", which was also turned into a movie and adapted for television.
"The Other Boleyn Girl" has brought Anne Boleyn and Mary Boleyn's stories to life for many people, and provoked an interest in Tudor history, but it has also caused a bit of confusion with some readers not knowing which bits of the story are accurate and which are fictional. In this talk, Claire tries to clear up the confusion by pointing out some of the main inaccuracies in the novel and film.
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@AmethystEyes
@AmethystEyes 3 года назад
Claire: when reading the Other Boleyn Girl “we need to take a pinch of salt” Me: When reading Philippa Gregory we need to take the whole spice rack.
@ktgirl-oh9px
@ktgirl-oh9px 3 года назад
Agreed😂😂
@gigiw.7650
@gigiw.7650 3 года назад
I like Philippa Gregory novels, but know that they are "Fiction based on Historical characters" as Claire so charmingly put it! They get me interested in reading about what really happened.
@normastone1044
@normastone1044 3 года назад
A pinch of salt? You need the entire block!!
@IzzysTravelDiaries
@IzzysTravelDiaries 2 года назад
I said a bucket, but yours works too.
@Tradhistorian
@Tradhistorian 2 года назад
For real
@jennifermoran6637
@jennifermoran6637 5 лет назад
Hopefully you do a video about how accurate “The Tudors” was about Anne Boleyn and whatnot!
@katemaguire958
@katemaguire958 5 лет назад
That would be lovely! I'm so obsessed with the Tudors!
@joebenavides6012
@joebenavides6012 5 лет назад
That would be cool to see.
@joebenavides6012
@joebenavides6012 5 лет назад
That would be cool to see.
@susannestein3955
@susannestein3955 5 лет назад
Yes please!!!!
@cindyrobinson3077
@cindyrobinson3077 5 лет назад
Not only with Anne but with all of them
@newfiesmum
@newfiesmum 5 лет назад
Anne and Mary were sisters; George was their brother - I think that's where fact ends and fantasy begins.
@sobrevivirparacontarla2237
@sobrevivirparacontarla2237 4 года назад
LOL :D
@nicolefornuto7177
@nicolefornuto7177 3 года назад
Yep
@AzhidaReminiec9999
@AzhidaReminiec9999 3 года назад
Especially when Cromwell accused Anne Boleyn of having an affair with her brother George...
@gigiw.7650
@gigiw.7650 3 года назад
newfiesmum Exactly!
@murfanimates7830
@murfanimates7830 3 года назад
best comment
@suzanking5625
@suzanking5625 5 лет назад
Philippa Gregory's novel is akin to those films with the heart-wrenching scenes of Mary of Scotland pleading with Elizabeth I. It's good drama although the two women never met.
@reythejediladyviajakku6078
@reythejediladyviajakku6078 5 лет назад
I’d love to see more of these done. Hollywood tends to take too many liberties with history
@Medusa0999
@Medusa0999 5 лет назад
Nah it’s Philippa Gregory. She butchers history, believes all woman hate other women and loves incest
@idagenova7519
@idagenova7519 5 лет назад
@@Medusa0999 Her books are fun to read, though, as long as we remember that they are mere "bodice rippers" and not history!
@EvanMurphyCapstone
@EvanMurphyCapstone 5 лет назад
USA is sexually driven media ( I live here, may be true most a..seems worse here despite less constriction abroad) a..in US ? Sex sells..the more obscene / naughty ? The better. ( What else could explain the horrific travesty to lit that is " 50 Shades of Grey")
@fibretowne
@fibretowne 5 лет назад
@@EvanMurphyCapstone oh dear - you must have missed the "The Beauty Books" by Anne Rice, writing as A. N. Roquelaure that came out in the 1990s. 50 shades is nothing.
@EvanMurphyCapstone
@EvanMurphyCapstone 5 лет назад
Love AR ( more the works before subsidization)... my point is only in the US ( hate when we claim " America"- Hello, 2 continents multiple countries) just saying...50 Shades is garbage writing that sold billions as lit when it was bottom barrel erotica in freshman class prose
@regina3743
@regina3743 5 лет назад
Perhaps a better title might have been “A Load of Tudor Poppycock”. The movie was strictly for entertainment. Thank you for clearing up this mess!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I do love the word "poppycock"!
@WhitneyDahlin
@WhitneyDahlin 5 лет назад
Phillipa Gregory never claimed her book was 100% fact and it's largely BECAUSE of her book and its adaptations that many people became interested in the Tudors and that part of history. And because of how popular her book was it inspired other movies and TV shows to make content about the Tudors. Philippa Gregory did her job well. Which was to write a FICTIONAL novel BASED on historical events, tell a good story and get people interested enough to do their own research. Just because some people are idiots and take a fictional book as fact that shouldn't reflect badly on her FICTIONAL novels.
@regina3743
@regina3743 5 лет назад
It was indeed interesting and entertaining. I did enjoy! You’re right. People need to not take fictional movies as factual. It has been fun looking for facts! I do love history!
@hkazu63
@hkazu63 4 года назад
Whitney Dahlin in my opinion, if you intend to tell a historical fiction story, you should be as fact-based as possible and not effectively rewrite history in order to create a “good” story. It doesn’t matter if she never claimed it as fact, it would be stupid to write a book like this and believe no one would take it at face value. A majority of people will avoid research and take things in their simplest forms. The Other Boleyn Girl perpetuates the myths created against Anne Boleyn, who was killed in a terrible mistrial of justice caused by the King himself. It’s effectively part of the 500 year old smear campaigns against a woman who did nothing wrong but marry a tyrant. Gregory’s story is nonsense and should be viewed as such.
@WhitneyDahlin
@WhitneyDahlin 4 года назад
@@hkazu63 ALL fictional books involving history are made up to some degree. We can't know what the actual historical people were thinking and saying, we don't know what happened behind closed doors. It is a fictional story and Gregory never claimed it as anything other than fiction. She can change as much or as little as she wants. It's her book. Why is it her fault that people are too stupid to do ten seconds of googling and instead they take a fictional book as God's truth? Just because YOU prefer a factual fictional novel (which doesn't really make sense in the first place) that doesn't mean her novel was bad or wrong in anyway. People who take a fictional novel and believe it's true are the dumbest people alive and that's not her fault. She wrote a good story with historical people and events. The end. Why don't you write the factual fictional novel about Anne Boleyn yourself? I would love to read it! I think it's actually a really great idea to write a fictional account of Anne Boleyn that's as true as possible and dispels the myths surrounding her. I would enjoy that very much, probably more than Gregory's book but just because I would enjoy your novel more doesn't mean Gregory did anything wrong.
@jillianaprati108
@jillianaprati108 5 лет назад
I love reading historical fiction and it usually sparks my interest to research more about the real story.
@maggied8468
@maggied8468 4 года назад
Same here
@carolewilson1311
@carolewilson1311 4 года назад
Margaret Davies yep I with you
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
Exactly. That is one of the good aspects of Historical Fiction
@juvialockser7390
@juvialockser7390 2 года назад
Same!
@kimc7699
@kimc7699 5 лет назад
Thanks, Claire for distinguishing between fiction, focused on entertainment and seeking out historical accuracy. Personally, I prefer historical accuracy because I think the truth is stranger and more entertaining than fiction.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Yes, me too, and I also love author's notes where they go into detail on what's factual and where they have filled in the blanks. That is so useful.
@onemercilessming1342
@onemercilessming1342 5 лет назад
The operative word is "novel", not "biography".
@bellepierre24
@bellepierre24 5 лет назад
I always thought that the doctors and astrologers were right in saying that Anne was to have a boy when she was pregnant with Elizabeth. She did turn out to be the monarch England needed, a role that a boy was expected to fill.
@chiaroscuroamore
@chiaroscuroamore 5 лет назад
Two videos in one day! We’re being spoilt! Historical fiction is great, we as readers just need to remember that it is indeed fiction, with a dash of reality, not the other way around. Another great video Claire, thank you.
@gryffindorprincess4019
@gryffindorprincess4019 5 лет назад
Chiaroscuro Amore totally agree! People can’t be angry that it’s not totally accurate ... it’s clearly a fictionalised version of history, if fact was the desired thing - people should read history books.
@Rye_Toast
@Rye_Toast 5 лет назад
I think of it as glorified fan fiction.
@susquahallasmiley3262
@susquahallasmiley3262 4 года назад
@ThatOneAsianBroChick and Margaret Beaufort is about the only person during the Cousin's War that none of the contemporary courtiers , foreign and English had anything bad to say about.
@emmasummers893
@emmasummers893 5 лет назад
Hmm, could you do this for "The Tudors" and Natalie Dormer's version of Anne Boleyn?
@CrystalGoddess90
@CrystalGoddess90 5 лет назад
Taylor Summers Now that is something I would love to hear/read 💖 Even though the series is mostly fiction, I freaking adore Nathalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn❣😻
@sashabanks4845
@sashabanks4845 4 года назад
@@CrystalGoddess90 ikr
@poochoes1
@poochoes1 4 года назад
Have to agree, Natalie Dormer certainly was perfect to demonstrate the sexual tension between Henry and Ann.
@Erica-ye7kp
@Erica-ye7kp 4 года назад
Her best fit in a role imo. Better than her Margaery Tyrell which was perfection. She WAS Anne Boleyn in the Tudors. The chemistry between her and Jonathan Rhys Meyers helped a ton also. The tension between them was so intense no matter what kind it was sexual tension, or anger. She is exactly how I would expect Anne Boleyn to be.
@meganferraro8145
@meganferraro8145 4 года назад
Natalie Dormer is a brilliant actress and the absolute best choice for Anne.
@peachymeechie1844
@peachymeechie1844 5 лет назад
OMG almost an hour about Anne Boleyn!! Yesss!! Thank you so much Claire! I always love to hear what you think about Anne's life and how she was.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Well, I do love talking Tudor!
@morvana7563
@morvana7563 2 года назад
If people are reading Historical FICTION, what part of the word FICTION don't they understand? Why do they need it explained to them? Writers and film makers use their poetic license all the time. Why would anyone mistake it for fact? I'm beginning to think we are living in a world where people can no longer tell the difference between reality and make believe.
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 Месяц назад
That's what fox news depends upon....😮😮😮
@pheart2381
@pheart2381 5 лет назад
I cant stand Philippa Gregory's books. She makes the Boleyns sound like the Kardashians.
@RobertoLorenzPianist
@RobertoLorenzPianist 5 лет назад
Thank god I'm not alone!
@lindseystein9676
@lindseystein9676 5 лет назад
I tried reading two of her books and couldn’t even finish them. Not sure if I like historical fiction at all. That was my first go of it haha
@nicolefornuto7177
@nicolefornuto7177 5 лет назад
same here not to mention she loves to bash Anne and Elizabeth on things that weren't true
@kiera6326
@kiera6326 4 года назад
@@nicolefornuto7177+ Some of her books seem to contradict. While The Other Boleyn Girl makes Anne seem like an evil shrew, I think she acknowledges that that's not what actually happened. She does so-- subtly-- in other books.
@draganamitrovic4250
@draganamitrovic4250 4 года назад
Anne Boleyn = Kim Kardashian 😁 Poor Tomas Boleyn became woman😁 worst than lost head.
@Sabrinajaine
@Sabrinajaine 5 лет назад
Short answer: no
@lissie7053
@lissie7053 5 лет назад
Slightly less short answer: God no.
@drunkfannyprice3278
@drunkfannyprice3278 4 года назад
Thank you for saving us all the time 😂
@cathyeaston9431
@cathyeaston9431 5 лет назад
Claire thank you so much for the shout out to Riley. She was so thrilled when she heard it. We just came back from an 18 day adventure to England and Scotland and Riley is eager to see all the photos we took there. Just a beautiful place. Thank you for all your videos just love watching them!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
It's a pleasure! Wow, how wonderful. It's so lovely that you have this shared interest in history. I hope you had a wonderful time.
@nickieastonhartig782
@nickieastonhartig782 5 лет назад
Riley’s mom here. When I told her you gave a shout out, she popped out of bed to watch. Thank you for 1) helping me get her up on time 😂 2) brightening her day. She was full of smiles and I got teary eyed watching her watch the video so happy! So thank you on behalf of my mom Cathy, Riley and me! She also wants to know if you can be her pen pal! Told her that you’re probably busy but I’d ask - worth a shot! Thanks again!
@carenehobson2039
@carenehobson2039 5 лет назад
Claire, do you have a compilation on Henry VIII's mistresses? I have seen a couple pop up in my stream, but I really doubted the authenticity. Thank you, you have helped educate me some more.🤗
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I don't think I've done a talk here on his mistresses, but I've done a series looking at his alleged illegitimate children, and their mothers, for the Tudor Society a while ago. I will add that to my list for the future. Thank you!
@kelleyl2279
@kelleyl2279 5 лет назад
That is something that hasn't been written about enough. Very interesting. And what about Fitzroy, Henry's illegitimate son?
@redss111
@redss111 4 года назад
Good question!
@isobelduncan
@isobelduncan 3 года назад
@@kelleyl2279 He died young sadly.
@bartonbella3131
@bartonbella3131 4 года назад
I’m so thankful to you for bringing the facts about the “incest” charges against her and her family. I turned the movie off when she decided to malign a female character that she tries to claim she champions. The facts that she twists words and creates imaginary thoughts to back up her arguments is sickening.
@hazelgillett9543
@hazelgillett9543 2 года назад
Completely morally wrong to twist history this way & make millions in so doing!!!! Long may the real truth be known & well publicised. Thankyou for your integrity!
@maggiew.2809
@maggiew.2809 2 года назад
I remember seeing this movie in the theater when I was a teen and when that scene came on my mother (who knows a lot about English history) leaned over and said "this is bullshit....this never happened." She later explained to me that the charges were made up by the Henry and his minions to get rid of Anne.
@17hollydog
@17hollydog Год назад
OMG… she wrote a story - they made a film …no body said it was fact it’s says based on !!
@lesleywilliams1210
@lesleywilliams1210 6 месяцев назад
@@17hollydog but that IS the problem; there are many people who don’t look into the history, and think it IS historically accurate. Why not just set the plot in a fictional kingdom, and then it is not going to irritate people who know the history, although they would recognise what it is loosely based upon. At the same time Also the disclaimer one often sees with films “based on a true story“ really often needs to be “loosely based on a true story”.
@backandstillbgmsdangerusda5493
I liked The Other Boleyn Girl. I get caught up in the period settings and costumes but I've learned that when history is written as historical fiction, facts are usually embellished or distorted for entertainment.
@annieoakley2925
@annieoakley2925 5 лет назад
Since I've become more of a skeptic in general, I no longer enjoy historical fiction about a real person. The inaccuracies bother me too much to enjoy the story.
@lonahansen4990
@lonahansen4990 4 года назад
Why read historical fiction when there are so many excellent, accurate, readable biographies available?
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
@@lonahansen4990 Historical Fiction is for entertainment. If people find escapism in them, then leave them to it
@paavo2000
@paavo2000 5 лет назад
I always learn something in your videos. Thank you for your scholarship and passion. You referred to the expression, "Take it with a grain of salt." A dear friend of mine always referred to gross exaggerations with, "Take it with a salt sandwich!" Thanks again!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Oh I like your friend's saying! Brilliant!
@kathrynroberts248
@kathrynroberts248 5 лет назад
Thanks Claire! So enjoyed this. Historical fictions have sparked my interest in so many different directions- but I’ve never enjoyed Phillipa Gregory. Her male characters are the very worst of humanity. If a man wrote women that way, he’d be laughed out of town. IMO.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I've enjoyed some of her novels and characterisations, but I do understand what you mean about the men in them.
@evie7738
@evie7738 4 года назад
What's true is that these depictions of Mary, Anne, George and Thomas Boleyn are commonplace. Anne and Mary rivals, Thomas using his daughters to 'get on', George and Anne betrayed by unloved and jealous Jane ... I wonder what Anne was really like? She has completely fascinated me. I'd love her to walk into the room more than everyone as want to see what she looked like. Quite incredible really. Did she have a fiery temper? Is there truth in her name being Nan Bullen? Thank you for amazing videos and next year I want to come to your AB experience at Hever Castle - hope you still do them. Will read Jane Seymore by Julia Fox. Not sure she was meek and mild (sample book from Kindle). After this video I need to scrap what I thought was true and restart my research!! Xxx
@AmethystEyes
@AmethystEyes 3 года назад
I’ve always said the Philippa Gregory does not write historical fiction but historical fanfiction. The people she often writes about are so out of character. The fun part about historical fiction is that you fill in the blanks that history has left open. But with PG she takes historical figures and manipulates them into these archetypes that are so shrewish or weak. Her wruting has so much internalized misogyny. And yet she claims to be a feminist! She made Anne Boleyn a one dimensional villain! I’ve seen interviews and the way that Philippa Gregory talks about Anne Boleyn...you would think that Philippa Gregory went back in a time machine talk to Anne Boleyn and was wronged by her in someway. It’s so strange how she hates her characters so much as if they’ve personally wronged her.
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
Yeah she falsely portrayed women like Margaret Beaufort, Margaret of Anjou, Elizabeth of York, Margaret Queen of Scots and Jane Grey as horrible stuck up people who did and said bad things
@Bollywoodlover100
@Bollywoodlover100 2 года назад
yes to all of this !!! i wish she would just create her own character instead of contributing to the negative and inaccurate representation of real female historical figures
@idontwantachannel7542
@idontwantachannel7542 5 лет назад
You'd need to do a whole series of vids on inaccuracies in "The Spanish Princess." That one darn near drove me to distraction, what very few scenes I've seen from it.
@susannestein3955
@susannestein3955 5 лет назад
After watching The White Princess and The White Queen, I thought, "Oh, I just have to watch the Spanish Princess." Catherine of Aragon and her parents are some of my favorite historical figures. But I have heard The Spanish Princess is so awful! I have watched a few previews and a clip here and there but cannot make myself buy or rent it, or sit through a whole episode even.
@idontwantachannel7542
@idontwantachannel7542 5 лет назад
Well, in my humble opinion, The Spanish Princess is OK if you just pretend it's a story and ignore that it's being presented as history or even based on history. It's a sharp departure from The White Queen and The White Princess in that those two books took liberties but I didn't mind so much because the liberties were entertaining and actually made me wonder about some of the possibilities they presented about the women in those stories, women we know so very little about. For instance, Anne Neville became more real to me thanks to the way Gregory portrayed her. However, The Spanish Princess . . . I've seen only a few scenes and I kept saying "nope, that never would have happened, nope, that never would have happened, nope, that never would have happened, nope . . . " The bits about Catherine running roughshod over the nobles when she arrives in England (she knows how to wield a sword? really?) and Margaret Beaufort trying to usurp Henry VIII really got to me. It genuinely made me angry in ways The White Queen and The White Princess seldom did (though the latter did have more of those moments than did the former). So I won't be watching anymore of it.
@NCKrypotonite33
@NCKrypotonite33 5 лет назад
I watched the 1st episode and wasn't impressed. But I knew what to expect when I learned who the author was. Nothing against Phillipa as I enjoyed " The Other Boleyn Girl" but its definitely not accurate at all
@NCKrypotonite33
@NCKrypotonite33 5 лет назад
I couldn't get it to. It seemed like a lie from the very 1st scene
@erinlee5936
@erinlee5936 5 лет назад
We may as well include other Tudor related TV shows for Claire to review while we are on the topic of TV adaptations of Ms. Gregory's novels. I watched several clips of Spanish TV shows "Carlos, Rey Emperador" and "Isabella" here on RU-vid. The Tudors appear in one season and a few episodes, respectively. The historical inaccuracies in the shows always annoyed me.
@SayaCeline
@SayaCeline 4 года назад
I absolutely LOVED that book! It actually got me interested in history, especially Tudor history, to the point where I pursued a teaching degree. I remember seeing the movie when it came out with my then boyfriend, who was also a huge history buff and while I was thoroughly enjoying the drama before me he is getting more and more irritated because of all the inaccuracies. The most irritating of which, apparently, was the fact that a simple house in the countryside had glass windows. We spent the whole drive home talking about how glass would not have been affordable to anyone besides high nobility. I would put the movie on to annoy him sometimes :)
@abqnurse5760
@abqnurse5760 5 лет назад
I haven't read the book yet but I checked out of the movie when Anne begs her brother to sleep with her so he can get her pregnant. SMH
@leanie9660
@leanie9660 5 лет назад
Melissa Pack ....read the book. It is completely different from the movie. I believe that there are only two points of intersection (aside from the most vague family history). The only thing that the book and the movie have in common is the title. I find it bizarre that Philippa Gregory approved.
@ThePeachygal
@ThePeachygal 4 года назад
@@leanie9660 and there are 2 Other Boleyn Girls movies. Jodhi May was Anne Boleyn in the TV movie form 2004? I think?. The 2 movies are so different that it is hard to believe they were based upon the same book.
@peggyw172
@peggyw172 5 лет назад
I really lose patience with historical fiction. The truth is vastly more interesting to me.
@monicamadrid4852
@monicamadrid4852 5 лет назад
LMAO..being real and fictional is the same thing...dddaauuuggghhh!!!
@robinlillian9471
@robinlillian9471 5 лет назад
Most people prefer more drama. That's why "Reality" television features made up dramatic scenes. It's not 'really real', because real people just sitting around and talking, etc. is boring.
@peggyw172
@peggyw172 5 лет назад
I just prefer non-fiction.
@iloveyourunclebob
@iloveyourunclebob 5 лет назад
Books like these should really be classified as historical fanfiction.
@karinayleo
@karinayleo 4 года назад
@@monicamadrid4852 no is not.
@ThePeachygal
@ThePeachygal 4 года назад
Many years ago (like 35 or more) I read a book by Phillipa Gregory called Meridian (set in the 1800's)that I found at my local library. An interesting story I really enjoyed about a girl rumored to be from nobility but raised by gypsies. There were hints about something dark about her parentage as to why she ended up with the gypsies but nothing explained really. A year or 2 later I joined Doubleday book club and in it I discovered Meridian was the 3rd book of a trilogy (Wideacre)so I ordered the first 2. OMG not only were her parents siblings but her grandparents were brother and sister. So repulsive. So the Other Boleyn Girl was not her first novel about incest.
@kohakukamei621
@kohakukamei621 3 года назад
Ah, yes. Anne Boleyn is very much interesting. So are the other Queens, but from a 'poll' I put on Wattpad, everyone loves Anne Boleyn more.
@meginmd
@meginmd 4 года назад
My reaction upon just reading the title: No. The movie shows Mary at court, at Anne's execution, walking off with Elizabeth. LOL what? Never happened.
@andrewkeir6918
@andrewkeir6918 4 года назад
Thanks so much for this Claire. Thoroughly enjoyed this, and your knowledge is, as always, breathtaking. There is no substitute for fact, and the facts about Mary Boleyn could be written on a stamp. I enjoy Philippa Gregory's books (some more than others) mainly because her style is very accessible and they are real pageturners (the curses in The White Queen series are a good example of harmless and compulsively entertaining reading). But I never forget they are fiction and intended to entertain. It is so irritating when novelists assert that their work is historically accurate (Mantel's seem to be well researched although often difficult to read). Gregory's liberties are as nothing compared to a trilogy of historical conspiracy novels I have just been reading about Catherine Howard, her survival of her execution (it was someone else executed in her place), giving birth to Henry's twins in secret (as Henry had gone mad - this part not too unbelievable!) with the help of Anne of Cleves, and the daughter eventually (through a baby substitution) becoming Mary Queen of Scots!!! (who died just before her execution, so they beheaded her dead body). All laugh out loud, unless taken seriously by the uninformed reader, which, I garee, is always the danger. Keep on going Claire - your work is much appreciated!
@lydscl
@lydscl 3 года назад
I've just watched this video and saw this comment. I read that trilogy. Fantastically entertaining but complete hokum but I did love how some of the details we know to be true were used to make some elements plausible 😄
@paulanavilliat18
@paulanavilliat18 5 лет назад
The Other Boleyn Girl started my passion for the Tudors so i'm glad I read it.
@sandyjoye8945
@sandyjoye8945 5 лет назад
Me too
@jcaylalove8713
@jcaylalove8713 5 лет назад
I haven't read the book but I did enjoy the movie. Have you seen the movie?
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I think it has done that for many many people.
@paulanavilliat18
@paulanavilliat18 5 лет назад
@@jcaylalove8713 surprisingly, I haven't seen the movie but will try too do so. Thank you!
@jcaylalove8713
@jcaylalove8713 5 лет назад
@@paulanavilliat18 I will be very interested in your thoughts between the two. please let me know 😊
@zacharyclark5617
@zacharyclark5617 5 лет назад
I love "The Other Boleyn Girl" (probably because Mary Boleyn is actually a multiple great grandmother of mine) but I always treat it as a novel.
@eyerollingintooblivion3564
@eyerollingintooblivion3564 5 лет назад
I dont doubt it. Honestly it's very likely you are, there are so many descendants, it's crazy. I'm related to the old Scottish monarchs on my moms side and on my dads side, we traced it back to Richard the king makers father as one of my great grandfather. So hes like a great uncle of mine several times over, making Anne and Isabella Neville cousins of mine. Its wild.
@gracefutrell1912
@gracefutrell1912 5 лет назад
Good for you most people I bump into don’t think that 😆
@anniekuzma1331
@anniekuzma1331 5 лет назад
Zachary Clark mine also my great grandma was a West
@renjones4708
@renjones4708 4 года назад
Me too. Her son was my 14 times great grandfather.
@Churchcantor
@Churchcantor 4 года назад
Mary is also in my ancestry; Fox Family of Virginia...are you related to William Clark of Lewis and Clark? Probably...
@kaseybrewer545
@kaseybrewer545 5 лет назад
I have tried to read some of her novels, but I just can't. They irritate me SO much. Especially "The Other Boleyn Girl". And the movie is just awful. The way Anne is portrayed really frustrates me. I've often wondered why she even writes about these women, because it seems like, to me at least, that she doesn't even like them. They're portrayed as conniving, manipulate, bitter shrews instead of strong, intelligent women. While I know they weren't perfect, they certainly weren't all harpies either. What really bothers me about her writing is that she presents herself as an expert and historian, which is very misleading to her readers. She writes fiction, for Pete's sake. While I do enjoy good historical fiction, and like the fact that it piques the interest of readers, and leads them to delve further into the subject, I don't like writers who take wild liberties, and represent themselves as experts on the subject. On another note, I do so enjoy your work, and all the research, time and energy you put into it! My mom started reading some of Gregory's work, after watching the shows on Starz based on her work, and became fascinated by all things Tudor, and now I have her reading my copies of your books that I recently purchased, and she's enjoying them as much as I did! Thank you for sharing your passion for Anne, and all things Tudor with us! We appreciate all that you do!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I must admit to preferring fiction that is closer to what we know or historical fiction that makes it clear that it's inspired by history and has fictional main characters who just live at that time.
@kaseybrewer545
@kaseybrewer545 5 лет назад
@@anneboleynfiles totally agree with you!
@ofeliasilverio5025
@ofeliasilverio5025 5 лет назад
I liked "The White queen" thought.
@lindseystein9676
@lindseystein9676 5 лет назад
I wondered the same thing while reading. It seemed like she hated Anne. Is it like that in her other books? Are the women usually demonized?
@nicolefornuto7177
@nicolefornuto7177 5 лет назад
@@lindseystein9676 yes she loves to demonize Elizabeth I and Margaret Beaufort in her other books
@nicolefornuto7177
@nicolefornuto7177 5 лет назад
I'll admit even though I don't like the way Philippa Gregory wrote Anne or Elizabeth her books are entertaining in a way .
@AmazinGraceXOXO1
@AmazinGraceXOXO1 5 лет назад
I wonder if in 1536 Percy would have said yes we were bethroed, if Cromwell could have made Annes marriage to the King invalid and her life could have been saved.
@CariPR94
@CariPR94 20 дней назад
Or Percy would have been framed as a liar and they both would have gotten into trouble. Thomas Cromwell was determined to get rid of Anne no matter what.
@shieraseastar9300
@shieraseastar9300 5 лет назад
Can you do Wolf Hall? It was so well-written, but the inaccuracies make you cringe.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
It's something that I might cover in the future. Thank you for the suggestion.
@ElinorMahoney
@ElinorMahoney 4 года назад
Even though The Tudors isn’t the most accurate show on the planet, I adored Anne’s relationship with Elizabeth. The scene where she and young Elizabeth are looking at the fish in the fountain is so adorable, it’s very sweet.
@ivancaronesi3253
@ivancaronesi3253 4 года назад
Thanks, thanks a lot for this video! I loved it. I will never understand why a story so extraordinary as Anne Boleyn's life is (born in a modest family, educated in Flanders and Paris, crowned Queen of England and all thanks to her uncomm intelligence and charm) has to be rearrange and changed. It's a general habit (Catherine of Aragon was not a brunette, Elisabeth of York was not a kind of Samantha Jones of the 15 century) but really the Other Boleyn Girl was simply a fictional story based on history. If I may add, it seems that Francis the first not only said that about Mary boleyn but he added that she was a mare that he and his courtisans very much enjoyed to ride. Sorry very brutal for our time, but very normal at the time for a king.
@geowynleda4641
@geowynleda4641 4 года назад
When has Hollywood ever let the truth get in the way of a good story?
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 5 лет назад
Golllllly! (as Gomer Pyle would have said) All that and nobody in the novel was a lesbian???? That seems to be the number one thing in history revisionism. There has to be at least one lesbian. I have Julia Fox's book on Jane Boleyn because Claire recommended it. It is a really good book and maybe the best source to learn all we can about Jane Boleyn. What most of us have a hard time understanding about Tudor times is that people, especially nobles, had much less freedom than we do today. What little freedom there was was restricted by religion and legal strictures. Many times, why people did what they did, has to do with ancient twists in law that we cannot begin to imagine today. I think Jane's apparent actions can be clearly understood in the correct context.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
If I remember rightly, there's a scene between Catherine Howard and Anne of Cleves with some honey in an Emily/Brandy Purdy book. I found that quite odd.
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
@@anneboleynfiles Is Julia Fox's book on Jane Boleyn Lady Rochford fact or fiction
@jenniferj5551
@jenniferj5551 5 лет назад
I love that movie. Inaccurate as it may be.😂😁
@twiley3530
@twiley3530 5 лет назад
Agreed. Loved the clthes.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I loved the film locations and costumes - beautiful. Eric Bana wasn't bad either!
@l.plantagenet
@l.plantagenet 4 года назад
@@anneboleynfiles he's very easy on the eyes!
@janetd5317
@janetd5317 4 года назад
I thought Natalie Portman made a fine Ann Boleyn...the best depiction, physically...
@Story-Voracious66
@Story-Voracious66 5 лет назад
Aaaah! This is my favorite subject!. Thank you so much for some historical facts! Thanks for being Switzerland in the torrid world of Tudor geography. 😀😁😁 p.s. It is quite easy to create juicy TV worth drama by painting people; long dead and unable to defend their reputations, any lurid colour that one might like. It is a much more difficult task to speak out for their true lives, which must be gleaned from between the lines of hundreds of miles of ink on paper. Thank you so much for being their champion Claire.🚩🏵️🚩🏵️🚩
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Ha! I'm Switzerland, love that!
@jediavatarpotter
@jediavatarpotter 5 лет назад
Something that I was annoyed by was how they portrayed Henry VIII raping Anne in the film version! There is no historical evidence to support that actually happening
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Yes! That was so annoying!
@strangementalitypaperYT
@strangementalitypaperYT Год назад
Here's my thing with fictionalizing historical figures -- at what point does the "fictionalization" become disrespectful and ultimately unacceptable? These were people, and people shouldn't be defamed whether they're living or dead.
@roxymcdonald6518
@roxymcdonald6518 4 года назад
My interest in the Tudors started with “Anne of a Thousand Days” ; I saw that film when I was 14, and then started reading historical fiction novels by Jean Plaidy such as Murder Most Royal which was about Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard. However, researching the actual historical events is far more intriguing. I don’t know why film makers distort history so much!!! I saw this film, but I was annoyed. At least the costumes were beautiful to look at.
@yezdnil
@yezdnil 2 года назад
I think Philippa Gregory had a nasty little agenda when she wrote 'The Other Boleyn Girl'. Gregory obviously hates, indeed despises, Anne Boleyn and seems to have wanted to destroy her in fiction. What is astonishing is that Gregory appeared to have used pseudo-history and scurrilous so-called 'evidence' to support her depiction of Anne. It's not even well written. It's one of the only books that I threw away as soon as I finished it. Treating it 'just as fiction' is OK for those of us who have actually studied the history. But for those who have not, TOBG is a really, really, really bad book to read.
@Thestashdowndiaries
@Thestashdowndiaries 4 года назад
That scene at the end of the movie drove me bonkers! More so than the other inaccuracies
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
Yes and the fact that they had Anne crying on the scaffold. The real Anne died with a courage and grace that was never seen before
@AmazinGraceXOXO1
@AmazinGraceXOXO1 5 лет назад
I wish i was sitting in that room with you. I dont know why. I just want to pet your cat, look thru your books and talk Tudors into the night with a hot cup of joe. ( or tea) ❤
@cherrytraveller5915
@cherrytraveller5915 3 месяца назад
The thing that annoys me so much about Phillippa Gregory novels is that people quote what was in her books like it is actual history. So really annoying
@6falconsue
@6falconsue 5 лет назад
Thanks, Claire, for a very lively, funny ("Ewww") and interesting account of the fictional aspects of The Other Boleyn Girl. You didn't have to convince me, since I haven't read the book or seen the film! The Tudors are crazy enough without having to fictionalize them, but Phillipa sells books, so... Oh, I got my On this Day long-sleeved t-shirt in the mail today--I love it!
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I just received my v-neck t-shirt and hoodie too so I'm going to post photos a bit later. Love them! Thank you so much for buying one. I love Gregory's writing style but the Q&A section of The Other Boleyn Girl just drove me crazy.
@dorothywillis1
@dorothywillis1 5 лет назад
When this book came out my first thought was, "Oh, that sounds interesting!" but when I started to hear how inaccurate it is I decided to give it a miss. After hearing all this I am glad I did! I understand about historical fiction having to infer a lot of things, but IMO if an author is going to change so much that is factual the setting, names, details in general should be changed to make clear the difference between fact and fiction. But of course the writer wants to have the advantage of the instant interest Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn awake in the reading public. I have little respect for a writer who twists facts so violently. Historical truth is difficult enough to find without making more confusion.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Yes, in this case I really think that the story doesn't need messing with, it's an incredible story as it is.
@CherylGormanAuthor
@CherylGormanAuthor 5 лет назад
As a writer myself, it truly is the author’s prerogative to make historical changes to fit their vision of their story. This is not done to irritate readers it is done to entertain. That said not everyone will find it entertaining and that is the way with all published books. You cannot please everyone and every writer knows that when they put their work out into the world. And it is very hard to put your work out into the world to be picked apart by dissatisfied readers. We all just hope readers will like our work. Those that don’t like our work is part of being a writer. I have always tried to make any historical events or dates in my books to be as accurate as possible. My personal pet peeve. My only problem with Phillipa Gregory is that she dissed all genre writers as hacks. No idea why she found it necessary to make that statement considering how successful she is and knowing that genre writers are certainly no threat to her or her success.
@dorothywillis1
@dorothywillis1 5 лет назад
@@CherylGormanAuthor I am very aware of how difficult it is for writers to send their "own darling child" (to quote Jane Austen) out into a cold, cruel, world to be exposed to the comments of reviewers as well as casual readers. But I am afraid it is part of being a published author. I think a writer of historical fiction should stick as closely to known facts as possible, using imagination only when there are no known facts. For instance, I would find no fault with a writer who took the story of the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower and wrote of what they imagined might have happened because there is such a dearth of facts in the case. But I would object to a novel in which, I suppose as a blow for female equality, Anne Boleyn was portrayed as taking part in the jousts at the Field of the Cloth of Gold. (In disguise, of course!) To me the one is legitimate speculation, the other is just silly.
@CherylGormanAuthor
@CherylGormanAuthor 5 лет назад
@@dorothywillis1 Yes, as I said it is part of being an author. You are entitled to your opinion. Have a wonderful day. :)
@Bedoc
@Bedoc 5 лет назад
@@dorothywillis1 I would watch the hell out of Anne Boleyn kicking ass in a jousting tournament! You should pitch that. Pure gold.
@jennacrawford8958
@jennacrawford8958 2 года назад
American woman here, coming over to Claire for all the tea after seeing “Other Boleyn Girl.”
@lisaa.4667
@lisaa.4667 3 года назад
Philippa Gregory would make a great soap opera screen writer. Just my humble opinion.
@corelei
@corelei 4 года назад
"My brother doesn't spring to mind as someone who can help me out with that" YOUR LOOK! I'm cracking up
@theresalaux5655
@theresalaux5655 3 года назад
Claire, there is a scene where Henry forces himself upon Anne. Do you even remotely think that happened? That scene made me very uneasy. Thanks 😊
@cherylkelly6415
@cherylkelly6415 5 лет назад
I loved the Other Boylen Girl, the book, not the movie. I had no interest in that particular time in history until i read that book. In the back of the book she listed a lot of historical books written by historians, david starkey, allison weir, etc. I read a lot of them and my interest in this period has never waned. I still read everything i can about Anne. I just read a historical fiction book about the French Revolution and i am immersed in that. Historical fiction can spark an interest in so many things that you never knew you'd find interesting.
@cherylkelly6415
@cherylkelly6415 5 лет назад
Also, you're right about how sickening the incest was used in the book.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Incest seems to be quite a theme as she also has it in her Meriden trilogy.
@--enyo--
@--enyo-- Год назад
People are always saying “I’m so glad I grew up before social media so my dirty laundry isn’t everywhere” but it’s hundreds of years later and we’ve got this record of who people were sleeping with and arguably Henry is most famous for all this stuff as opposed to any political or military achievements.
@Emzeenz
@Emzeenz 5 лет назад
I would love to know what you think of Alison Weir's work? I have not read her books but have been recommend them. I would like to say in defence of Philippa Gregory she has a compelling style of writting. Though historically inaccurate, her books are very emotive. I particularly enjoyed Three Sisters, Three Queens. As I have studied history myself I know to pile on the salt with these kinds of stories and so I tend to set them apart somewhat from from the inspired people/events and take them for what they are, fiction for entertainment. In saying that I do get frustrated when people put more stock in them and use it as a spring board for their argument.
@duchessnanciann9592
@duchessnanciann9592 5 лет назад
Alison Weir’s work is EXCEPTIONAL. I’ve read several of Weirs’ work, Mary Queen os Scots, Eleanor of Aquitaine,, Six Wives of Henry VIII and several more, which are very well written with an in-depth knowledge of the historical events. IMHO, Philippa Gregory’s work is sub-par to Weir’s.
@l.plantagenet
@l.plantagenet 4 года назад
@@duchessnanciann9592 that's because Weir's books are historical non-fiction and Gregory's are historical fiction. I've read several of Weir's books on the Tudors, but she's one sided. In regards to the Plantagenets she's not fair at all.
@ThePeachygal
@ThePeachygal 4 года назад
@@l.plantagenet Weir also writes novels too but she makes very clear which are biographies and which are fictional.
@l.plantagenet
@l.plantagenet 4 года назад
@@ThePeachygal I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. Is there any that you would recommend?
@louise-yo7kz
@louise-yo7kz 4 года назад
"The Lady in the tower is great."
@ableaktether
@ableaktether 5 лет назад
I barked a laugh so abrupt at the title, it made both of my cats jump! 😆 I will watch anything with Eric Bana at least once, though.
@AndriaBieberDesigns
@AndriaBieberDesigns 5 лет назад
A Bleak Tether i love Eric bana yum ❤️
@dianeromano5058
@dianeromano5058 4 года назад
I was appalled by the scene in the movie wherein King Henry, tiring of Anne's withholding her favors, roughly grabs her and rapes her. I've never seen any evidence of Henry's rough handling of Anne in this manner.
@kiera4844
@kiera4844 5 лет назад
You keep saying there’s no evidence for this or that, but there wouldn’t be, would there. It’s not like people carved “I was a homosexual” on their tombstone. I agree that much of the popular story is probably fantasy for the drama, but you just never know what the real story was. Anne was most likely not the vixen portrayed in the movie, but I bet she was an intelligent woman who knew what she was doing. Did she plan from the beginning to trap Henry into marriage? No. Did it evolve into that? Yeah, probably. Did she love him? I hope so.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
But if you're going to put forward a theory that somebody was homosexual, something that was a sin and something that men like Walter Hungerford got executed for, then you should be basing that on evidence. I could say that Henry VIII was gay because there's no evidence that he wasn't.
@anthyavila9726
@anthyavila9726 3 года назад
Philippa Gregory made a career of gleefully slandering Anne and Elizabeth with Kardashian-cheap imaginings, ofc only the names were real, the rest was BS.
@Xhante
@Xhante 5 лет назад
I’d love to see one of these for the “Tudors!”
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
Would be amazing. Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn was magnificent
@kimberlyperrotis8962
@kimberlyperrotis8962 4 года назад
Thanks for another interesting and thoughtful analysis. I’m not a huge fan of Phillipa Gregory’s novels. I think it’s very possible to write an interesting novel that is also historically accurate, and her distortions and sensationalism, if anything, diminish the appeal of her books. There is plenty of room for character development, plot additions, dialogue, and other fictional elements within the known historical framework. The actual persons and events of this period (and many others) are so fascinating that, as it is said, “one couldn’t make this stuff up if they tried”.
@tessat338
@tessat338 4 года назад
The premise of Phillipa Gregory's "The Other Boleyn Girl" was "what if there WAS some sort of basis of truth to the charges against Anne Boleyn? How would that have played out? What sort of people would act that way and what would motivate them to do so?" The historical consensus is that the charges against Anne and George Boleyn were baseless and contrived so as to give the king the grounds to execute Anne. Then he could marry Jane Seymour and their children would have no shadow of illegitimacy over them cast by a still-living ex-wife. There were no witnesses put forward to corroborate the charges of incest or that Anne had ever been unfaithful to the king except those obtained by torturing poor Mark Smeaton. Particularly telling is the contrast in King Henry's behavior in the matter of Anne Boleyn and in that of Catherine Howard, where there was evidence of Catherine having had the opportunity to commit adultery and the consistent accounts of multiple witnesses of Catherine having had relations with men before she married the king. During Anne's trial, King Henry was relaxed, unconcerned and focused on Jane. Neither Anne nor George ever confessed to any of the charges and they energetically defended themselves. During the investigation into Catherine Howard, which was never allowed to be heard in open court, the king was distracted, emotional and visibly grief-stricken. He didn't want the charges against Catherine Howard to be true but they were. Catherine also confessed. He wanted Anne to be found guilty and to be dealt with and the verdict was a forgone conclusion irrespective of the actual testimony and evidence.
@a.westenholz4032
@a.westenholz4032 4 года назад
That may have been the premise, but if it was it was poorly executed. If she had to try to argue that premise by not only ignoring certain facts, but inventing facts known not to be the case, it rather proves the opposite. Frankly, it was a rather stupid premise to begin with. Even back then it was known that the trial was a political show, and the charges a mere pretext. There were far better subjects in history to do that sort of thing with where you can stick with the known facts but see if another interpretation than the traditional one usually given is possible.
@rebekahhakeber5093
@rebekahhakeber5093 4 года назад
I hated this movie- they got both girls names right and then ~~~ 🤷🏻‍♀️ it was just far too much creative liberty - I truly hope they didn’t intend accuracy - they failed
@patriciapickett836
@patriciapickett836 5 лет назад
A nice presentation of fact, though nothing really new. I never read the novel but I saw the film. I found the 'almost-incest' scene in that film to be thought-provoking, as I simply never before could think of any reason why anyone could or would bring such a charge against George. In the film, Anne has one moment of desperation after her miscarriage when she thinks that she might be able to finesse the delivery date if she can get pregnant again right away - and, since Henry has lost interest - she in one hysterical moment suggests that perhaps her brother - the only man she could trust with such a thing - might do the deed. But she quickly realizes that this is ridiculous. I thought that maybe somehow such a desperate scene was responsible for the charge later appearing...complete nonsense but why choose that crime, of all things??? // As for Mary's children, I like to think that Catherine was fathered by Henry - it would make sense that he would not claim (another) daughter. As for the gifts, etc. to William Carey as a pay-off, well, I guess I'd want to compare and contrast what he received vice others in his position.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I think that charge was a way of blackening the Boleyn name for ever. It was so very evil and scandalous.
@newfiesmum
@newfiesmum 5 лет назад
Every historian has condemned that idea as ridiculous. Having managed an annulment on the grounds that the King had previously had affairs with her sister, he had to dream up more charges, since adultery wouldn't cut it.
@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527
@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 3 года назад
As the incest part has been addressed, I’d like to point out that pursuing Mary after her marriage to William Carey doesn’t fit Henry’s known MO. He preferred younger, unmarried women of the court such as Bessie Blount, Anne Boleyn, and Katherine Howard.
@cristinajerry4141
@cristinajerry4141 4 года назад
I was so relieved to have watched this - there seemed to be rather a good many inaccuracies. I'm not normally a reader of historical novels and expect them to elaborate. This book was one I have actually read, but I couldn't actually manage to the end. I found it far too cringeworthy for my taste. Thank you Claire for pointing out these inaccuracies which I found quite troubling.
@normastone1044
@normastone1044 3 года назад
Having been interested in Tudor history for a very long time, it is impossible to read Gregory's books without seeing all the inaccuracies. The Other Boleyn Girl is a horrible movie, despite the brilliant casting.
@sistraaemilieavielleoxo9339
@sistraaemilieavielleoxo9339 5 лет назад
Without watching this video, from the title I can tell you that The Other Boleyn Girl was NOT accurate! Far from it in fact! So much so that I began to watch and it was so awful I couldn’t continue! I know a hell of a lot about Anne Boleyn, probably more than anyone but I won’t bore you all with the story of how and why. But back to the point, other Boleyn girl, no. Don’t waste your time people.
@jenniferrambo1212
@jenniferrambo1212 5 лет назад
I love all things Tutor. Someone loaned me a copy of The Other Boleyn Girl and I was hooked. Of course I knew it was historical fiction. But a seed was planted and I started researching Henry and Anne. That was several years ago, so my fascination has grown. It is easy to be snobbish and put down works of fiction. I am fairly certain that most readers know fiction from fact. If a book hooks a person to wade through dozens of research books, watch videos, search the internet for any information it is mission accomplished. So, before you put down historical fiction, keep in mind people take different routes to becoming knowledgeable about Anne. If fiction provides the spark, who cares!
@AndriaBieberDesigns
@AndriaBieberDesigns 5 лет назад
The Hidden Singer oxo I agree
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
My gripe with this particular book is that Gregory states some opinions as facts in the Q&A section. She tells her readers that Anne was a murderess, for example.
@sistraaemilieavielleoxo9339
@sistraaemilieavielleoxo9339 5 лет назад
Jennifer Rambo oh I am not being snobbish, far from it, I’m just stating fact.
@l.plantagenet
@l.plantagenet 4 года назад
@@sistraaemilieavielleoxo9339 you should write a book or have videos like this since you know more about Anne Boleyn than anyone else.
@EvanMurphyCapstone
@EvanMurphyCapstone 5 лет назад
I would love more on Jane Boleyn... such a tragic figure.
@gill8779
@gill8779 5 лет назад
The book by Julia Fox 'Jane Boleyn The infamous Lady Rochford is a very good read.
@EvanMurphyCapstone
@EvanMurphyCapstone 5 лет назад
Thank you, no offense to Gregory but as much as I can appreciate her talent? Her comfort with artistic license? Is not my preference.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VGbZGI-Fr08.html
@EvanMurphyCapstone
@EvanMurphyCapstone 5 лет назад
Many thanks!
@susanbellefeuille
@susanbellefeuille 3 года назад
I wish they wouldn't write fictional historical books, or create series or movies unless they portray the facts. There is too much artistic license, I absolutely hated "The Tudors" TV series which was a soft porn soap opera!
@Quirky_Ventriloquist
@Quirky_Ventriloquist 3 года назад
I love The Tudors, but it is not very accurate.
@meganlyb83
@meganlyb83 3 года назад
What about the rape scene between Anne and Henry? Is there any historical evidence to support Henry getting fed up with her “games” and forcing himself on Anne?
@Quirky_Ventriloquist
@Quirky_Ventriloquist 3 года назад
Apparently Anne allowed it to happen and didn't do anything to stop it. Don't know for certain.
@juliamontgomery7312
@juliamontgomery7312 4 года назад
Thank you very much for this video! I don't see a lot of people talking about the issues with 'The other Boleyn girl' on youtube so this is great. I will say that I, at the very least, appreciate Gregory's merits as a writer. She's got a way of creating her own interpretations on real historical figures and presenting the essence of the Tudor period in boldness and colour. What annoys me is how far she feels she has to go to twist these real people's characters into what she needs for the stories: Hero, villain, sidekick and love interest. People like Anne Boleyn and her daughter Elizabeth could've been extremely compelling to write about as they were. Embellishments can be made of course but the essence must stay true. Even the way she wrote them was interesting so long as she owns the fact that it's historical fiction. But I digress. Thanks again for these Tudor videos-they're very educational on a rainy day.
@GiftSparks
@GiftSparks 5 лет назад
Can you ever talk about your house? I just love the background and the passthrough.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
I would if it was Tudor! It is 364 years old, but it's Spanish and 17th century, so doesn't really fit into the topic. I do love it though, quirks and all!
@susanmiller9388
@susanmiller9388 5 лет назад
I wonder about how much modern amenities her house has! That it is still standing after 364 years.
@maggiematthews3517
@maggiematthews3517 5 лет назад
For the life of me I will never understand why on earth people imagine that a film, designed purely for entertainment, should be "accurate." The book is historical fiction, the film is historical fiction. Both feature some real people and some real places but neither of them has ever claimed to be a documentary. Both are just imaginary creations of the author/producer, designed to amuse and divert the reader/watcher. Anyone wanting accuracy needs to start reading some of the serious historians on this subject or doing their own research. I'm very glad Claire pointed this out at the beginning of the talk.
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
Exactly. Well Said 👍👏
@draganamitrovic4250
@draganamitrovic4250 5 лет назад
When you have finished all the work you can go back to seria " Reign "😁😁😁 minimum 5-6 h material for you and us 🙂
@katharineal1168
@katharineal1168 3 года назад
This video is bringing back uncomfortable memories of seeing The Other Boleyn Girl in theaters on a double date, a first date at that. I remember it being bad and my date covering my eyes for the execution scene 😆 but my heavens I think I must have blocked out those horrible incest scenes, though I remember the icky rape scene with Henry and Anne. What was that?! I don’t think we had a clue what we were in for.
@lesleywilliams1210
@lesleywilliams1210 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for this video Claire. I disputed someone’s assertion that Thomas Boleyn pimped his daughters on another video yesterday, specifically mentioning that “The Other Boleyn Girl” is rather inaccurate.
@cassandralyris4918
@cassandralyris4918 Год назад
This is quite a long video to say, "Oh good sweet Lord, NO!" 😂 I kid, I kid. Philippa Gregory novels are TERRIBLE though. Historically inaccurate, meandering, bloated text, an almost vitriolic bias against Anne and Elizabeth 1. Neither of them were angels, but neither were the people she openly idolizes. And honestly, I could have looked past those things if I didn't also find them BORING. I mean, if other people enjoy them, more for them I suppose. Great breakdown.
@dollywade
@dollywade 10 месяцев назад
Just saw this film again last night on TV. Thanks so much for all this information and explanation. Have become fascinated with the subject upon discovering ancestry, direct descent from Mary Boleyn/Henry Carey... as are no doubt countless others.
@wednesdayschild3627
@wednesdayschild3627 10 месяцев назад
This can of worms was opened with the DaVinci code as historical fiction. I would be interested what the English thought when word came of the new world. What of the appearance of our lady of guadalupe in December 1531? What did tge reformers think? I wonder if they thought it was fake. Catherine of Aragon was born during advent.
@christyb2912
@christyb2912 2 года назад
My thoughts: of course the incest charges were bogus. And also of course neither Thomas B nor Anne could have foreseen the king issuing his own annulment and marrying an English girl of ‘low’ birth. But never the less, why is it that Elisabeth B with her Howard connections and Thomas B with his Butler money and connections did not arrange for a marriage for Mary or Anne in their teens’ ? Quite unusual. We find the Boleyn girls at court, unattached in their 20’s, both beautiful with amazing education for the time. Thomas B was hoping for a Percy situation I think, for both of them, and the king getting in the picture was not a benefit as we have seen with Mary who ended up marrying below Thomas’ expectation. Was William Carey such a good match? Not sure - he had the king’s favor but no title and Mary did find herself in financial difficulties after his death. As for Anne’s good deed taking charge of Henry Carrey, I am not convinced. Mary at that time managed to get money from both her father and the king, a very large amount of 200 Lbs per year, surely enough to raise her kids with the best tutors. But Anne getting the wardship of little Henry also meant she was getting the Carrey’s land income, protected from the creditors. So what Henry was giving Mary with one hand, Anne was getting back. A good deal.
@juliehunt9665
@juliehunt9665 11 месяцев назад
I am angry and very disappointed that an author such as Phillipa Gregory, whom I believed to be a credible historian, should publish an inaccurate reporting of the Anne Boleyn period. What would Anne, Mary, George and their parents think? What would they have to say to us if they had a chance to speak today?
@katiejamison4238
@katiejamison4238 4 года назад
I never cared that it's not 💯 accurate. Because it was what lead me to Anne Boleyn,Henry VIII and the life and story of the Tudors. ❤️
@Shane-Flanagan
@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад
That is one of the good aspects of Historical Fiction
@mkeask79
@mkeask79 5 лет назад
My question is how accurate is Anne of a Thousand Days
@draganamitrovic4250
@draganamitrovic4250 5 лет назад
It is not,but much better than "The Tudors" and "The Other Boleyn girl",in my opinion the best Anne in move and TW and her speach in the Tower is legendary. I love this film and I love this Anne if it isnt accurate. And of course Richard Burton 😊
@RobertoLorenzPianist
@RobertoLorenzPianist 5 лет назад
Even though it isn't 100% authentic (how could it be), I think "Anne of the thousand days" is still the most accurate telling of the real story.
@marshallkane1096
@marshallkane1096 4 года назад
@@draganamitrovic4250 My thoughts exactly ! Ive watched this feature again and again and I never tire of it. Wolsey and Cromwell appear as important fixers in royal affairs. And who could forget the scene in the Tower . Marvellous !
@draganamitrovic4250
@draganamitrovic4250 4 года назад
@@marshallkane1096 I like how Cromwell interogating violinist Smiton and how cleverly got recognition about his relationship with queen 🙂 The second best scene in move 👍
@draganamitrovic4250
@draganamitrovic4250 4 года назад
The month is May. My lady... Nothing...
@AHouseDivided1998
@AHouseDivided1998 5 лет назад
Lifelong Anne fan but I HATED that book because it portrays my girl as a one-note bitch. I realize that the book was from Mary’s POV, still I was repelled by the depiction of Anne as a calculating, incestuous monster with no redeeming qualities at all.
@gill8779
@gill8779 5 лет назад
I read the book knowing it just fiction so I did not expect it to be historically correct. Also I thought the film entertaining but of course just like the book it was fiction. If it gets people interested in Tudor history that is good thing I think. I tend to watch & read anything with 'Anne Boleyn' in the title lol . Natalie Portman was a very beautiful Anne Boleyn in the film but I hated the ending when she was on the scaffold, Natalie Dormer's performance was magnificent.
@jcaylalove8713
@jcaylalove8713 5 лет назад
I was curious about peoples thoughts on the movie vs the book for those who have both seen the movie and read the book I've seen the movie. Would you recommend reading the book?? Thanks.
@gill8779
@gill8779 5 лет назад
@@jcaylalove8713 It is a long time since I read the book so don't remember it in detail. I think I found it quite entertaining but not historically correct at all. I think it had a lot of 'shock value' in it to promote more interest. If you just except it as a piece of fiction & don't mind that you might like it, but I would not say it is great.
@darklymoonlit
@darklymoonlit 4 года назад
I adored Julia Fox's biography of Jane Boleyn. It sounds like she was really maligned throughout history.
@gwinniboots
@gwinniboots 4 года назад
Thanks for the clarification. I always see that film as being “Hollywoodised”.
@annaleabrown4588
@annaleabrown4588 4 года назад
What a beautiful top you are wearing!
@Xhante
@Xhante 5 лет назад
I’ve been lurking about this channel. Just wanted to say how much I enjoy being here. I love Tudor history!
@EvanMurphyCapstone
@EvanMurphyCapstone 5 лет назад
The incest story made no sense to me ( great drama for fiction / film) a..a.sadly, the avarice of her father did.... although considering this information, am now in different mindset.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 лет назад
Obviously, Anne and George were charged with it, but I don't think anyone actually believed it.
@gracefutrell1912
@gracefutrell1912 5 лет назад
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society honestly I think Game of Thrones made it worse I have nothing against that show except the final season and I don’t have anything against George RR Martin sense at least he he set his story in a fictional land and fictional characters and loosely based it on the rumors but the moment that show came out the white queen and other shows was based on Gregorys worst came out they tried to cash in on Game of Thrones and I don’t think poor George RR Martin was expecting that I even found a disturbing comment that said George and Anne were the real life Lannisters!
@dorothywillis1
@dorothywillis1 3 года назад
Regarding Anne Boleyn's hair and eye color and complexion in general, she couldn't have been that dark or her daughter would not have had the coloring she did. Elizabeth was noted for her white skin and golden strawberry blond hair. I don't think it makes sense genetically to assert her mother had dark hair and eyes.
@barbou2you
@barbou2you 4 года назад
Your opinions are not needed in your research and interferes with the facts. Understanding a clever and manipulative woman takes another to know one. You strike me as a goody two shoes and lack understanding of what these women and men can do. Another good storyteller “nasty piece of work”? Defender of the crown? Are you debunking the research of Joseph Gregory Hallet?
@cinnow
@cinnow 5 лет назад
Philippa Gregory's books are full of inaccuracies. She's a Yorkist supporter so she depicts the Lancastrians and Tudors as total villains while the Yorks are dynamic, sexy and on the right side of PG.
@gracefutrell1912
@gracefutrell1912 4 года назад
Considering the Yorkis I was tour the country apart and that whole thing that went down with Edward the fourth and his brother George Duke of Clarence They weren’t the total Saints she think she was they were you could forgive the Starks and Lannister because their fictional but the demonization of Margaret Beaufort went to far she does the same with Margaret of Anjou and why did she have to have The Woodville be magical when that was a slander against them She could’ve set the record straight
@tanithjohnson2802
@tanithjohnson2802 3 года назад
So basically the movie is not factual at all but the Tudors series is more factual than anything. I heard that there is a another series coming out about Anne Boleyn the series will show Anne Boleyn as black not white
@glendamclachlan2537
@glendamclachlan2537 3 года назад
Be careful because if he takes the throne no one is allowed to speak against the King and could be beheaded.
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