The Outer Worlds | A Pale Imitation - Part 1/2 

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Talk about a DOH! and a WOOHOOO! by accident lol

Imagine their dev panel in E3 for OW2, someone coming up happy and saying "is this a sequel to outer wilds???! No? Aaahhh... sad" yeaouch

I tried playing that game multiple times and it never clicked

​@@wulf2863it's a mystery type game, but I can see it if it's just not your style. It really opened up mentally when I compared it to old school Myst, lots of fun bits to poke.

Lmfao

I remember someone ranting about cod being a military propaganda game. I don't remember seeing Nikki Minaj and Snoop Dogg emoting and doing the griddy on the Taliban using drum magazine pink machine guns with one hand in the military, cod is just fortnite with a 8k texture pack at this point lol

@@Sixshotz1337none of what you said is proof it’s not military propaganda. Propaganda doesn’t mean “accurate representation” quite literally the opposite.

@@Sixshotz1337 I believe when people say that cod is a military propaganda, they mean it's campaign. Which it is most definitely is. Which is not to say that it's somehow sponsored by shadow government, or illuminati, or whatever, it's just it's written by people trying to appeal to a certain audience.

The first two CoD games weren't that bad, only after they began marketing it to kids, it became the circus which it is today.

Yeah, the board is a massive joke, its not smart, or scary, just stupid. I understand making some characters stupid. Stories beed every kind of person, from simple to average to genius, but no one was a genius, or even average, theyre all idiots. A real distopian corporatized world wouldve never allowed bodies to be buried when they can still be used it wouldnt be some genius idea to use corpses as fertilizer, yet Adelaide is the first to do it. Their false religion woudlnt even mind, if Max is anything to go by

Stop teaching the lootbugs how to whip and naenae this mission will take forever

@@ZebuNeutrality -and remember, stop calling the M.U.L.E Molly…it’s company property not your pet

sincerely thank you for making an actually funny comment about this game instead of picking one of the 3 one-liners about it everyone's heard a million times, i'm chucklin@@ZebuNeutrality

@@martinszymanski2607 i got the joke from iFunny 🤣🤌

This is why the opening is so important. Fallout games all have supposedly goofy openings with overly enthusiastic commercial painting a rosy picture - but each and every one of them then pans out of that rosy little commercial and shows the brutal reality around it. That sets the tone - the juxtaposition between the attitude of the old world era and its consequences. Say what you want about Todd Howard Fallout games and how goofy they can be, but their intros still keep that atmosphere intact. Fallout 3 opens with a jazzy song played under a scene of an abandoned bus, to pan out to ravaged DC and BoS knight in power armor with discordant brass blaring to really underline how awful everything is. And then you got the Ron Perlman monologue, how war never changes, to keep in line with the series' legacy. The vault birth sequence establishes that as your normal, and everything outside it is NOT normal - even if you as a player may find it goofy and funny that a school is infested by half-crazed cannibals, a character that DOES KNOW what a school is supposed to be like will see it as they should - as horror. And even if you try to not take anything seriously that happens in Fallout 3, it still does its best to ground it in some real weight. Fallout 4 opens with a soldier's monologue and a somber piano track, and there's an undercurrent of hope there - because ultimately, Fallout 4 is about doing your best to rebuild, despite the horror all around. Sure, one may find some issues with the realism of just barely escaping a nuclear blast and suffering no radiation damage when the blastwave is already there - but the visuals, the sound, the experience ultimately set the tone about how this game should be treated. Your character's spouse is killed before their eyes, their son is pried from their cooling hands, your character is frozen and left on ice for centuries - the game may devolve into comedy after that point, but there's still a clear thematic weight to what is happening and how anything that happens after stepping out of the vault is NOT NORMAL. It is tragedy, it is horror, and the absurdity around it is broken people trying to cope with the insanity around them. Outer Worlds opens with wacky haha button don't work sequence, then you crash land on Rick Sanchez's employee and kill him - and he just shrugs it off with a quip. You just killed a man and it's supposed to be a funny joke. That's the "good guy" by the way, and you can tell he's the good guy, because the bad guys accost you with a parking ticket. The game starts off as a joke and just keeps it going, and it takes some hardcore Reddit brain to then try and read some kind of depth into a narrative that refuses to take it seriously in any way at the opening hour - and then right after you're expected to care about poor, poor poors that are being mistreated by the evil evil corpo and how everything's bad :( You JUST landed on Rick Sanchez's employee and he laughed it off. HE DOES NOT CARE EITHER. Nobody does. So why should you?

@@thesunthrone Hell Fallout 2 can be relatively unserious at times, but it plays it straight and treats it as just an element of the world. Sure you lost an arm wrestling match to a supermutant and woke up with a ballgag, they have sex drives. Yes that child has a doll of Richard Nixon, political dolls exist and its the apocalypse. Yes there is a sapient scorpion who if you beat them at chess tries to kill you, he's an asshole. Random encounter weirdness not withstanding, Fallout 2 melds it's weird shit with it's serious by taking it's weird shit as just an element of the world.

@@vaultdweller1386 Yes, Fallout 2 has a lot of very goofy and somewhat dated pop culture references - but they are not front-loaded and you have to go out of your way to find them. Just Fallout 2 opening alone, the happy positive vibes of emerging from the vault, to then be greeted by the Enclave that guns down every man, woman and child while being completely silent. It's taken seriously and it sets the tone of rosy expectation vs brutal reality. There is no dialogue, no context - the imagery speaks for itself. Then you create your character who is a tribal descendant of the protagonist of the first game - and you get it. Yep, the hero that saw it all rationally chose to just go away from all this civilized horror and brave the wilds instead, went full native, because he'd rather deal with noble savages than these ancient evils that still invoke the world that no longer exists. Now imagine Outer Worlds doing this same opening. The Enclave soldier would say something quippy like "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" before opening fire, we'd then be roped into doing all kinds of pointless rituals to worship the Vault Dweller, it'd all be a dumb joke because God forbid we take anything seriously or be unnerved at awful things happening in the post-apocalypse. And I say this after getting the Tale of Two Wastelands installed and doing the alien spaceship DLC of Fallout 3 before even going to DC to find my dad. This absolutely goofy sideshow of a DLC still feels more grounded and real than Outer worlds, because it is so contrasting to the somber tone set by the game early on - and yet, the characters involved in it take it 100% seriously, despite being a samurai, a cowboy, a soldier and a kid on a space ship orbiting an irradiated sickly green ball. Despite all their faults, Bethesda had the restraint to have the situation itself be the joke, and did not turn it into parody by the characters in it spouting one-liners.

@@spaceboy.digital If Outer Worlds is the best the "original creators" of Fallout (two of them anyway) can muster, yes, I can and I will credit Bethesda for objectively doing better. Adjectives like "washed-up" and "has-been" exist in cultural consciousness for a reason - it is possible for creatives to lose whatever made them great in the past, and it is possible for them to absolutely embarrass their legacy with awful new works. I will stress again. MOTHERSHIP ZETA takes its scenario more seriously than Outer Worlds does. The ayy lmao Fallout 3 expansion that puts the blame of nuclear apocalypse on the alien meddling. THAT DLC. This isn't praise of Bethesda - this is dire condemnation of what Obsidian has become.

"Swing the pendelum or doesn't move at all." Literally Outer Worlds or Fallout 4. Love both games, tho.

Legit, obsidian is cursed by these ignorant fools to always remind them of the studio they no longer are and may possibly never be again. It has been thirteen years since fnv was released, we have to move on from what obsidian once was and embrace what it now is, We have to let go.

​@@redacted9912Yes we have to understand that all we can expect is mediocre shit going forward

@@redacted9912embracing mediocrity will be the death of video games. I've played ow and without any bias I still feel like it was missing much of what it could've had

@@redacted9912 If you're suggesting giving up on Obsidian actually making anything above mediocrity, then I agree. You worded that oddly, so I'm not 100% certain what you're trying to say. "It has been thirteen years since fnv was released, we have to move on from what obsidian once was and embrace what it now is, We have to let go." This makes it sound like you're saying we should just accept the games they make now, but that conflicts with my personal goal of "trying to have standards" and I'm really committed to that goal.

@@redacted9912 funny thats literally the thesis of fallout new vegas. begin again and letting go.

maybe if those animations could be switched off it wouldn't stand out that much

​@@ryszakowyor they could have a few that it randomly chooses from

What exactly was it that he learned in prison? That you can use a gun to shoot things?

I couldn't agree more, especially when he shoots an enemy cowering in fear

My most liked comment to date is under SkillUp's video on the outer wilds saying "this isnt the outer worlds what the fuck"

Yea but some guy said that they was running out of bandwidth for radio

no, i would say this is the one game that has worse character designs and goody writing than starfield.

its crazy how ppl just say stuff thats not true lmfao

I wouldn't say much better Just as ugly, but not as cheap looking

@@TheDeeman25They are better in terms of visual design. I played it a while back and I still remember Parvati, Vicar Max, the governor in Edgewater. Still not great characters, but I can't name one NPC in Starfield - they all look like some default templates from Blender.

@@cadcad-jm3pf That is true, they are like guns from the modern cod games, all grey and generic, no personality or artistic details.

Yeah, I remember seeing how you could do that. But now I'm thinking that's just there to throw a fake moral decision at you

If your dumb you can basically just say "icecream"

The real morally questionable thing in this game is how the writers of these dialogues took payments for their "job" Even satan isn't as devilish

using le here really did send shivers up my spine on really how Le evil you really can be

2) ...Because i'm EEEEEVIL! *Gets out of the bathroom without washing hands.*

@@user-qv5sm5dw1v ...I dunno if I'd go that far. 🤣 at least choices played a role in Outer Worlds. The only depth to 76 were the depths Bethesda was willing to sink to just to cash in on what good will their fan base had left.

Its because the hub us a interior with no sense of travel, when you change the map your just changing what world space your accessing.

@@TATERplaysGAMES I got a few hundred hours of entertainment out of fallout 76 with some friends, got a good 20-30 hours of just playing through the story and exploring before getting to the endgame. I got bored of the outer worlds about 5 hours in and uninstalled it. Haven't played it since. Haven't enjoyed an obsidian game since new vegas to be honest.

@@user-qv5sm5dw1v Hhahaha, you'd wish, Bethedrone

Vast as an ocean deep as a puddle.

oof this is the most stinging comment I've read about OW

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This is a good game at the end of the day though. so I guess not all good games do that. lol

And yea, we wept, for all that could have been if given another day.

Nothing like a good josh sawyer joke

Old joke reformed to fit the video. Grade A youtube writing.

@@KrolKaz It's called a callback joke. Not too different from a run-on joke, similar to Civvie11 and his constant sewer jokes over the years. So yeah, it's grade A.

Back 4 Blood was straight a** lol

Also mighty number 9

Back 4 Blood advertising itself by saying " by the creators of L4D " is a whole bulls worth of shit and also very much not true, so there is that

Hard facts

Hard disagree, if you got 4 people B4B is pretty damn good. With some things that make it better than Ld4 and some things that make it worse. However L4D still has my money for which one I'm picking up and playing 90% of the time.

So true I hated kotors tutorial ship and didn't like the beginning of Taurus but eventually I really liked Taurus and was even a little sad to leave it

I sort of agree, but Taris is honestly a slog in future playthroughs especially the Under City, Rakghouls and Black Vulkar stuff. It's boring and way too linear. People always talk about their love for FNV but I have to say the thing I loved about it the most was setting up the story and letting me choose if I wanted to do it a certain way, or MY way. I missed almost all quests in FNV just so I could make it to New Vegas and when I finally did I decided I wanted to do everything on my own for my own reasons and to accomplish my goals and I did exactly that, while backstabbing, betraying, and using anyone or faction I needed to do it and the game just let me do it! It was something I had never experienced before and why I loved it so much, the true freedom to do what you wanted and not have to adhere to the main story. Both KOTOR and the Outer Worlds fail in that regard, but I will say KOTOR definitely failed more in that than Outer Worlds, OW just didn't execute it very well.

Tbf they made KoToR ll which has one of the most atrocious starting levels in the series, if not gaming as a whole. So it's not like they're new to bad starting levels.

@@minimalthyme_gaming9886 I don't usually ever hear anybody talk about how absolute ass KOTOR II's starting level and "intro" are. When I first played it. after years of hearing nothing but praise, I was immediately confused and stopped playing for years again before finally getting past it and getting to the game that everyone was praising. Idk how or why they thought that was an acceptable beginning lol

replaying kotor 2 at the moment and yah the intro is so bad i wonder if they did it on purpose as some sorta meta thing@@daniodanny4485

Yeah, I honestly could believe that.

Would also explain the sheer about of "Muh Corpos", journos eat that shit up.

​@@getthegoonsjournos do eat that shit up, ignoring how dependent on Capitalism they are to have new things to write about

@@TheSergio1021 so what your saying is that you cant call out issues in capitalism without being a comunist?you do know capitalism can work without letting corporations shit down your mouth?or lemme guess,you think its ok for a company to overprice life saving medicine by 80.000%?and no...the ''but muh free market will fix it'' actualy doesnt fix shit,the rich will pay anything and the poor either pay up or die,we seen it happen before,lemme guess,you live in a red state and voted for trump?

Thank Ra they've slowly written themselves out of a job

The scientist are putting people in stasis, Rockwell idea was basically work people to death, to reduce the population, to solve the famine problem, and even when you send the message to Earth. What guarantee that they would come?

The Board needed to be portrayed more competently and as a necessary evil who have a plan that will work, as opposed to the alternative path being pie in the sky idealism that might work, but people would be happier before they die. Now that's a dynamic that makes a lot more sense.

Learning that everyone was only eating saltuna without that context made me stop playing because of the absurdity

@@roberthughes6810 Actually Rockwell plan to "save" the colony, is work people to death, he didn't care if they die working or of old age, hell, he even try to put a positive spin on it.

That would be the opposite of true. Seeing HOW halcyon is falling apart before you are just told is how good games actually tell a story, something lost with people's expectation of hand holding games. It was one of the few things that kept me playing.

Paid to hype the game up.

KOTOR2s Peragus is I think the worst tutorial I’ve ever played-but then, somehow, obsidian turned around & made the best tutorial in a game with Goodsprings-but then, turned around again and made the 2nd worst tut I’d yet played.

@@okonkwojones "the best tutorial in a game with Goodsprings" man, can people only talk in hypeerbole regarding new vegas? it's an ok tutorial

​@@okonkwojones I absolutely adore KOTOR II, easily top 5 favourite pieces of Star Wars, arguably above the OT. And Peragus is way, way too long, and has disproportionally little dialogue compared to the rest of the game. Taris was at least beautiful, filled with NPCs and gave you a whole bunch of companions. Peragus is a dungeon without a boss or a reward.

​@@666FallenShadow It was short, on point, dialogue focused, and optional. You can find all sorts of little locations, side content and it is a mirror for the main plot. Not sure what one can improve about it in all honesty.

@Duchess_Van_Hoof are you including dealing with the powder gangers as part of the tutorial? Because it's not, it's just a quest. Killing geckos with sonny or whatever the fuck her name was is the tutorial and it mainly focuses on the shooting aspect of the game

Some of the “big” talent is still at Obsidian. They were mostly just on other projects, like Josh Sawyer.

@@rafterman5072 I think Cain is retired now? Avellone isn't there anymore, he got fired after accusations iirc (which were proven false in court). I think Sawyer is the only really *big* name left at the company.

​@@Chopstorm.Timothy Cain has his own very nice RU-vid channel 😀

@@Chopstorm. Caine was still very much involved with the game, but mostly on the technical side, not so much with writing or ideas, as he makes it seem from the way he has talkes about it. The writing by committee, without Avellone around, not just for his writing but also for game ideas and general direction, is what made this game mediocre.

If you look at the names of the team from New Vegas and compare to Outer Worlds on the credits this is actually true, most of team are not the same. It's basically PR speak at this point.

Why not ?

That's just not true at all. Joffrey from GOT was definitely both evil and incompetent yet there was a lot of nuance to the show when he was around.

@@TommFoolery Joffrey wasn't incompetent. He was one of the few people who correctly identified the need for a national army over a confederated force, and recognized the risks of dragons. He was just an evil person surrounded by slightly less evil people who wanted to control the king by giving him everything he wanted.

​@@TommFooleryHe was also a child and half the time his advisors were either ruling around him or in direct conflict because of his bratty nature

@@TommFooleryJoffrey was quite competent for a child he had the entire court and aristocracy terrified of him

I have a similar view, the best Obsidian games are the ambitious, narrative focused CRPGs they failed to complete. It is as if their games get worse if they have a functional deadline they manage to meet.

@@Duchess_Van_Hoof As in, they were less ambitious and more mediocre. Which is why they weren't as good as before, but they were able to finish on time. Someone really needs to crack the whip on them to get them to make good games, it seems.......

@@HolyknightVader999 the did make pillars of eternity and tyranny which were quite good and it was there own IP but were crpg so.much easier to make I would assume.

@@yahya_elistinsary True. But they're not as popular due to being CRPGs.

I feel like that's about as safe an opinion as "Bethesda games lack meaningful choices."

@@OdysseusKing tali fan detected

@@ExValeFor Try again. I couldn't give two shits about an ME waifu war, least of all Little Miss Space Gypsy.

​​@OdysseusKing "Little Miss Space Gypsy" Fucking lol. You're not wrong though, Liara, Garrus and Tali are probably the safest and best romance options. Mainly because Tali and Garrus are the only squadmates that stay on the ship throughout all 3 games, and Liara gets an entire DLC just because she didn't stay on the Normandy in ME2. They're not exactly spicy, new choices for a playthrough like romancing Jack or Thane might be.

The correct answer is Thane, sad badass Dilfs are simply the best.

@@koolaidman4869 God yes, and the DLC is the greatest.

​@@koolaidman4869when does it get good? Played for like 6 hours and it didn't click

It actually was over 6 minutes, wild

because that scene establish the entire game feeling

​@@aligmal5031bullshit, prove it, you made the claim now prove it..... I invoke hitchens razor

Exact same thing happened to me lmao

It felt out of nowhere too. I thought I was hitting the peak turning point where things were going to get crazy but it was the end of the game. My speech skills were absurdly high so I just casually made it through the final dungeon with zero conflict. Kinda anticlimactic. Needed to be open world as well

I personally felt the game was too long after I got to Monarch. If it ended on the Groundbreaker, I'd at least have some feeling of accomplishment.

A lot of those sidequests involve a lot of busy work too. Like jumping planet to planet to find specific clothing items for Celeste, then gathering materials from places you've probably already full cleared by the time you reach Byzantium, then returning again. In a game like New Vegas, quests like that took a lot of time because of load zones (which took a lot longer in 2010 as anyone who tried to complete Bye Bye Love around release is familiar with). But with relatively short load times, and easy fast travel, even busywork side quests take up no time at all.

​@@cadcad-jm3pf20 hours to finish the game 100% and its too long? Lmfao rofl jesus dude your attention span must be that of a goldfish

Is this fucking french? I went the the ends of the goddanm galaxy for a book written in french?!?!?!

The "is this french" sequence was unfortunately also the only funny and memorable scene in this game.

He can't read french.

Yeah, Parvati the awkward, cute, lesbian mechanic who is somehow both naturally attractive thoughtfully well-spoken and autistic. What a great character.

@@bmardiney you never touched a woman did you

Which incidentally is probably 25 hours long.

Just enough time to watch some brief Elder Scrolls retrospectives for context.

Yes, honey

​@@charlessmith5465briefly

Sadly only 1h 😢

I only played through it once, and realized there was literally not point in replaying it again. I tried to, but quickly realized all of the "choices" didn't change anything, so why bother?

@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken achievement addicts my brother

why did you buy a console with no games?

@@ravensflockmate Ratchet and Clank.

​@@ravensflockmatehitchens razor....... No games? Prove it lmfao rofl

Funny how Outer Wilds became the sacred indie cow that no one can criticize publicly and Outer Worlds is so devastatingly mid that people don't even care about it enough to shit on it.

@@OdysseusKing I found that game extremely uninteresting and unappealing from the get go.

​@@OdysseusKingits a pretty damn good game. I actually would be interested to see what flaws you could find with the game that wasn't nitpicking. (Or being bad at puzzle solving) I can only think of one thing, and thats the slightly gay or feminine character artstyle for the frog people.

@@Hellisfear there would probably be no flaws. Just mismatch between expectations and the actual game. I don't think there is much to be said about game badness in terms of the path it chose for itself. But it's totally valid to not like the game for being incompatible with it.

@@Hellisfear And there it is. "If you didn't think this pretentious walking simulator is a flawless masterpiece, you MUST be bad at it." The Outer Wilds dick riding force never misses reveille.

I used Reynolds in my name and characterisation also haha. I enjoyed the second dlc though.

Yea it really felt like The Outer Worlds hadn't discovered its identity yet. It didn't take itself seriously enough either. Too many attempts to be zanny undercut the themes in the game as well

How did you manage to beat the game? I couldn't stomach the repetitive gameplay and middle school level of story telling past the first 5 hours.

come on, ​that is too harsh

@@KrolKazi stopped playing when i go to the final mission realizing i got to the final mission after barely doing anything.

​@@phantom.wreaththey saw the whacky and zaney side cobtebt in fallout that people liked and made it the entire game. Fallouts whackiness is both spread out and fits the 50s sci fi aestheitc of wild and weird things. I like some parts of the Outer Worlds, im a parvati stan, the crew of misfits aboard a criminal ship a la firefly is enjoyable, but like he said it feels like everything couod easily be inproved, and like you said it didnt have much identity, beyond "Hey, we have the same name as the company that made a good game". Its sad. Replaying atm since i never finished, stopped at monarch, but theres good parts to it, hid under hamfisted anti-corporatism and over done weirdness.

The good game is just at the store gettin smokes. He'll be back soon.

The game was only good at stopping people believing that Obsidian are infallible and that Bethesda are bad developers. Just by existing, Outer Worlds proved what a great game Fallout 4 is and that Bethesda writing is still good.

Lmao are you joking, Outerworlds doesn’t prove Bethesda is good, nah you must be joking there is no way what you wrote is serious. Fallout 4 is still insultingly awful but Outerworlds definitely did prove that Obsidian is nothing special and can make awful game a just like every other dev, only regarded casuals ever thought otherwise though, all developers can and will make shit games.

​@@BoroMirraCz I wouldn't go so far to say that Bethesda writing is "good" but it does make you appreciate their style of game development when you realize that Bethesda doesn't even have dedicated writers. Meanwhile, developers like Obsidian, who are supposed to be renowned for their writing, create something like Outer Worlds which is barely any better in terms of story and shallow as a puddle in terms of gameplay, modding, and sheer content.

@@BoroMirraCz Fallout 4 sucked and so did OW. But one cost twice as much as the other

I really think most of it wasn't supposed to be funny, just silly. I think they made a campy, fun, light RPG but everybody got mad it wasn't serious and deep.

​@@SchulzEricT At the opening, I already realized that it was a game in the same tone as Bordelands. I like borderlands, I saw a lot of Fallout 4 in the game mechanics, I saw more borderlands in the aesthetics. Whoever criticizes it is because they wanted New Vegas 2.0

You know what's the problem? Is not that the people expected a serious rpg and got mad, is that the game isn't funny enough to make the distinction clear, or it didn't try hard enough, the button scenes tries to establish the tone but chokes inmediately and dies on the spot, the characters are all silly but not really goofy, is like they wanted to make futurama but still write the npcs like fallout.

If your not trying to compare it to a game made 13 years ago, with half the writers that made New Vegas being gone from the company, and just enjoy it for what it is it’s really not too bad. Flaws and all.

@@blorg880 The problem is that people have nostalgia for Fallout and therefore any new game resembling it has to overcome it. The Outer Worlds was quite small and short, but generally a rounded experience, not many lows. For a first proper game of that style Obsidian nailed it, just look at Bethesda failing to recreate the Fallout experience...

@@blorg880 Except the marketing kept bringing up New Vegas, can you blame people for comparing it to the game the marketing brought up? It was really clear that this game is meant to be a spiritual successor to New Vegas, and it falls incredibly short is a lot of what New Vegas did well.

Same, I feel like this review and a lot of those the comments are just incredibly picky about their RPGs. When I compare Outer Worlds to Fallout 4, I definitely had more fun with and actually finished Outer Worlds

Same. I played through once interested in the story, then again as a lone sniper that sowed chaos everywhere because… that was fun.

I too found the game decent enough for one playthough, but had zero desire to play it again. In my book Outer Worlds is what a real 5/10 game looks like. The older I get and the more games I play the more use 4,5,6, out of 10 seem to have when rating a game.

@@planescaped I think our generation got a bit ruined using the 10 scale properly. Most big gaming and movie publications never give anything lower than a 5, and treated scores as high as 6 as a "bad score". When in theory 5 should be the benchmark for average.

yeah i played it once some time after it came out and NOW slowly i'm getting to "i could play it again" because i honestly don't remember as much of it maybe that's better than installing oblivion/skyrim and starting a new game only to get bored to death after 40 minutes and not touch the game for another month

Same. I tried a second playthrough to go full corpo but it was still too much the same game. Companions also felt really weird for those sequences.

the combat was total ass though?

@@mrrooter601 it felt clost to failout 4 so yes you coult say it was crap

can we go beyond "just okay"? not for this game but overall no matter what you make there's always another game that did it already and there always will be retarded fanboys with their "X feels alot like Y" it wasn't a bethesda game and it allowed for killing npcs and selling out the scientist barely any other game outside of new vegas allowes that

@@mrrooter601 For an RPG the combat is actually quite alright.

@@ryszakowy fallout 4 gunplay feels like masterpiece compared to "this" , if i had to pick 1 single thing as "worst" , it would be gunplay/combat , i wish i could say story as i not liked it but story was not terrible.

Was that Quiet? I thought it was one of the female recruits you can fulton and later deploy as?

@@BriteRory There was never enough female recruits in MGSV; Mother Base was always a sausage party

@@belltolls1984 Yea, I agree, and in some cases you had to go out of your way to even find one. I do love that game, though!

The charts say it all. As of today Fallout 3 (ye olde OG GOTY release) has more concurrent players than The Outer Worlds. Fallout 3 GOTY is literally obsolete. Everyone, including alot of diehard NV haters, plays it in the NV engine via the Tale Of Two Wastelands mod nowadays. The fact that it's pulling more people than The Outer Worlds is insane.

average game that despite being short and lacking having everything in it's place vs bethesda's festival of broken code and glitches that require mods to work and mods for mods yes truly "healthy" player base

Skyrim has the most mods, but i would still rather play Outer worlds instead.

@@ryszakowy People wouldn't bother making patches if they didn't feel some love for it.

@@marsproductions1 that’s still an appeal to popularity fallacy. Fallout 4 has more concurrent players and has more frequent mod uploads than New Vegas, but would you ever in a million years say 4 is better story wise or mechanically than NV?

The same happened to me, and I wanted so much to like it as I love New Vegas.

It took me just long enough to not be qualified for a refund.

I thought I was taking crazy pills, because everybody I had talked to about it seemed to think it was gods gift to earth

I remember getting to the end of the tutorial planet and realizing slowly in horror, that that was the best it was gonna get

Now I feel like the crazy one for liking it… I didn’t love it and I barely remember the story, but I loved getting the stupid ending and murder hoboing my way through everything

Yeah that’s what I’m feeling. I feel like all of the humor would work amazingly if the game played all of the absurdity completely straight, since the people in the world think it’s normal.

@@rojerfaust6365 that’s literally what the game does in all but a few exceptions.

@@Slender_Man_186youre insane to say that the game not taking itsef seriously only happens in a few parts. That is THE issue with this pos, it refuses to have any sort of confidence in its ideas so it has to follow every text with “lol” just in case youre taking it too seriously.

@@yungoldman2823 Got the same feeling. It's almost as if they were afraid of having conviction and then people judging it, that it was not nearly as good or enough to be like New Vegas or better.

​@@Slender_Man_186the game constantly looks at the player and says "wocka wocka"

I thought it was fun, the characters were interesting enough, the crew gameplay dynamic was awesome (the way you get such a nice boost from them), the combat was very fun... and I like how it turned traditional RPG concepts on their head. Typically the leveling curve is steep so that you benefit from getting higher and higher stats in whatever skill. But with Outer Worlds, you can sink 20-30 in most skills and stop there. Other than with 2 (science for tinkering? And... long guns? for combat), you can be pretty fucking happy with your character at a pretty low level. With skills, and also with talents: there's really only about 6 talents I feel like I *need*, everything else is a luxury. And sure, most of the time it's great to be rewarded for leveling up so that when you get to a really high level you feel like a fucking god, but it's also really fucking refreshing to play a game where you aren't constantly thinking "okay, 12 more levels and my character will finally be skilled enough that I can play the way I want to play" Also, the mystery DLC was fucking GREAT. Since I was investigating a murder, and I didn't know who did the murder, instead of broadcasting to the hotel clerk that I was investigating, the way the game told me to start the quest (because how do I know she didn't do it? How do I know she's not part of it?), I explored the entire outer world map and discovered things in a really satisfying way, never having the story spoon-fed to me the way they game *wanted*. And so when I explored the entire overworld map, I realized it was - SPOILER ALERT - the Reavers from Firefly (vibes I'd already kinda gotten from the 1st world, if we're being honest), and I went back and found an eyeball in the safe and I recalled that there was a building that required a retinal scan to enter... that was just really fucking satisfying. Also, the world was really colorful, really incredibly visually interesting. Did the game feel a little bit surface level? Typified, IMO, by the fact that you can't romance your companions? Sure, but sometimes it's nice to watch a ConAir rather than always watching Zodiac, you know?

yeah helping other factions and suddenly you're in final attack felt a bit weird

I did just that

Fallout 4 sucks

I don't think you're using the format correctly

@@blandbara7981 I think that's part of the joke.

@@Richardiii2 it's not funny though. It's just a regurgitation that's copy pasted into every comments section. Makes me think a lot of these accounts on here are botted.

@@blandbara7981 It is an attempt a joke. Like all memes ( I mean all of them) it is the exact same format as other memes of that type. It is surely unoriginal, but it is used correctly here.

​@@blandbara7981you really saw this comment and decided to insert it directly Into your self... who cares? 😂

That's... Cruel of you.

That is something that seems like it has gotten way more common. "Oh hey a new weapon" >Its the same one you've been using for the past 10 hours but red instead of blue "Wow! I hate it but the number is bigger at least". Like I get that sometimes your budget requires you to re-use assets, but in an open-world fps the one constant thing on your screen for most of it is your gun, and if you can't keep things fresh in that department, then it'll start to feel stale quick. I would honestly rather games do away with weapon drops and such if its just a series of recolors, and just make them a one-time pickup that you can upgrade, at least that way if its a recolor you at least got the satisfaction that the color represents a new upgrade tier you worked to.

I really have to hand it to epic on this one, I got to try it, but since it was EGS exclusive I didn't even have to bother with a refund! Saved me quite a bit of time and hassle.

My condolences

to me the problem isn't with decisions branches and all that. I think that's a red herring of 'good writing' in gaming. People say FO4 was bad because of a lack of decisions, but linearity isn't a bad thing, in fact in my opinion it's a good thing. The problem is just bad writing.

@@morrisalanisette9067 You agree with me, though I think you missed where I was talking about "open world rpgs" specifically as a videogame genre. Red herring can be fine. The issue, specifically, with what we're calling "bad writing" is that we are aware of the obvious decisions the writer wants us to make. The writer knows what story they want to tell and adds choices as a mater of course, not because they consider them legitimate options or perspectives worthy of pursuit. It's the reason these western stories in newer games tend to be so one-dimensional, predictable, and even inconsequential (option B is ultimately the same as option A, only less developed because the writer doesn't WANT you to make that choice- they want their quippy characters to do the quippy things).

It actually does come up in the main story. If you put Adelaide in charge and work with the Board a quest triggers that basically has you to go in there and trigger a robot protocol to kill everyone, you can refuse of course which makes them hostile or you can "accept" then just work with Welles. If you put Reed in charge it goes straight into allowing you to do the end game mission for the Board. The history behind Edgewater and its problems are also tackled in the Perils on Gorgon DLC which directly deals with a former Spacers Choice operation.

Well 76 still gets new content (although it's not great content) which keeps it in the conversation. Also the lack of any other Fallout titles after 4 except 76 tends to get people to try it just to get their Fallout fix.

76 is such a train wreck i expect it will be a topic for decades to come

​@@comyuse9103I bought Fallout 76 at launch and never went back I did a one shot musket build that probably doesn't work now

"Epic Games is a marketing black hole."

That's mainly because while it's obsidian, all the workers are different, so in a sense it's not the obsidian you knew.

Because games like Pillars, Tyranny or Pentiment are high quality games. Even The Outer Worlds is a great game. It's just a short story game.

​​@@marceelino Eh... it's ok.

man it is sad to see what obsidian has become. from legend titan of the RPG genre to...this

Same team different people headass

Yeah in retrospec the only fun playthrought i did was a Handguns TTD solo focused build, and that was because i made my objectif to kill absolutely everyone i could. The way the game adapted to it was fun to see.

See, this game being just OK is what makes me excited for the sequel.

just seems like thats on you for expecting something more? Theres so much potential to lose track of whats actually going on and be like a bethesda title. So its more like a joke....you can have a great game and not have it take up too much time. Though I feel like the ending was quite obvious from the start of the game. I think its better than most of fallout 4. I didn't see so many breaks in the game. Like fallout 3, you can leave the vault and go to the city right there and find someone hiding. You can pass a speech check to say "give me the caps and I will tell him that you died" How am I supposed to know what a cap is? Let alone know that its currency? So the big games are nice, but thats because you're distracted to realize the games shite. Fallout 4, there are 2 options split into 4 things. 3 of those things are the same but said differently, and the next is a no....There is one ending in fallout 4 no matter who you chose. So this is all an illusion and you're a sucker it seems. Hook, lined and sinker.

Fuck you've described my exact feeling about this game. It was just so meh it actually angers me thinking about it in retrospect.

Homie why do you waste 60 hours 100%ing a game you're feeling is mediocre. Your time is more valuable than that.

That's actually a pretty big myth. If your dizzy and vomiting, then yes, of course prioritize going to a doctor, but sleeping isn't going to hurt you. In fact sleep is a major part of the healing process.

@@eljefe4258 learned something new today, thanks dude.

exactly my thoughts

literally black ops 4 in rpg form

Best description. To this day most mid game I ever played. Don’t remember a thing about it.

I guess you never played Destiny

Those people were mostly gone by the time this was made

Same. Didn't have huge expectations as I know their team wasn't triple A nor their budget was triple A, but I wanted to give it a shot nonetheless, bought an original copy around release... and played for an hour or so (till you get out of the first planet) and never came back to it. It's not that the emptiness of the world was that big of a deal, as I'm literally playing KOTOR right now and it was empty and limited as fuck BUT... it had "it". Outer Worlds did not.

Just like modern Rockstar, the people who made Obsidian special are long gone

​@aw2584 The marketing people at the publisher must have pushed that lie because I bought the game off the recommendation that the skill system was as in depth as FNV and the companion system as KOTOR. Damn you Alanah Pearce

The problem is that Obsidiain makes amazing games otherwise. Pillars of Eternity 1+2, Tyranny, New Vegas, KotoR 2 (going back farther and farther) Not every studio is going to have a perfect record, (I like Alpha Protocol but that's a pretty lackluster game). Obsidian doesn't just make New Vegas and that's why people were hyped. They literally carried the torch of actually involved world and introspective morality for a decade. You have to understand that The Outer Worlds is a bigger disappointment to us Obsidian fans than what you realize. We were hyped, not because it's "another new vegas" but "It's the first 3d RPG they've made in years with THE BACKING AND MONEY OF MICROSOFT TO ACTUALLY FINISH IT??" And it didn't pan out. This stuff happens. I'm still an obsidian fan and will keep an eye on their stuff, but if their next RPG is -this- quality I'm basically just throwing them into the bin as far as "Companies that write amazing stories and games." is concerned.

The tone and the political commentary are more solid on Byzantium, it gets a lot more serious towards the endgame. That said, you have to trudge through Edgewater, Roseway and Monarch first in order to reach it.

uh huh, keep adding your own personal opinions onto what it should have been and it will be more and more disappointing, it was a great game and much better than....fallout 4, 76....all Elder scrolls....it could have been amazing, but stupid faqs aren't happy with GOOD, it has to blow you away which is why....it fell short of your expectations. I expect to get a HJ everyday but don't, so life has been disappointing when it could have been AMAZING.......see what I am saying? What I said sounds stupid even though its a lot better put than what you're saying.... are we all babies here or what?

​@@ravinraven6913😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@ravinraven6913 you seem to be doing a plethora of crying, so I suppose so.

@@ravinraven6913 I'm willing to accept less than "amazing" when I'm paying $10 on sale for some small indie game on a Steam sale. When I'm paying full price for a major video game, and it's anything less than amazing, what did I spend all that money for? Even if it was on sale. I work a 40-hour-a-week job with an hour commute, and I have a life. My gaming time is limited. So I have no patience for mediocrity. I'm glad you're OK with merely "Decent" or "Good but not great." It's a sign you've got plenty of time on your hands, and that kind of freedom was nice during my younger days. But someday you're going to grow up. And you're going to expect more from your free time. If I'm still alive to see it, let's talk about games and game design when that happens.

@@ravinraven6913 Can you try to imagine having standards instead of just mindlessly buying *latest game with big marketing*? The Outer Worlds isn't good, it's mediocre at best. I'm not going to waste my money or time on it. I'm a customer first and foremost and not a charity for these middling, has-been game developers.

That's because they didn't have Chris Avellone. It's not the only reason but it's one of the biggest. Or you could say the thing that made them not have Chris is also what caused the writing to be so bad here.

I don't understand the amount of time this guy spent on that lmao, absolutely dense.

It was funny... until they overdid it with the constant button stabbing. This kind of humor would work in Borderlands, especially if the person was Claptrap... but this isn't borderlands. Even if we accept that OW isn't completely serious, it has different kind of humor. Witty one-liners and blink-and-you-miss it comedy sequences are what fits into OW. Not doubling, tripling, quadrupling and quintupling down on a joke.

@@RuthwikRao The reason he focused on it was because it’s a symptom of the overall problematic tone of the game. The game wants us to believe everything is breaking and nobody knows how to fix it. It’s a serious issue that will lead to everyone dead. It’s passed off as a gag. Oh look how funny the button is. Why should we care about the more serious moments of the game when they are all undercut by mediocre jokes. You people will praise anything mediocre

@@devildolphin2102 being annoyed by a portion of the critique means the person must obviously love the thing in question and are praising its mediocrity?

They came out within a few months of each other too which didn't help.

Take shot every time people weird and quirky

I don't want to die

implied or explicitly stated?

Good thing I stopped drinking..

Suffer from cirrhosis halfway thru groundbreaker

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What are you even on about my guy, this game is very much a response to New Vegas and Bethesda in general. Not talking about that is like not talking about the combat or exploration. No, it's absolutely part of the game's identity, whether you like it or not.

@@nagger8216 If someone has never played any of the games The Outer Worlds is compared to in this video, they will not be getting any of that. It is possible to play and judge it in a vacuum.

To me it's less of a "stance" and more "this garbage program barely works". It's a hassle to even play the free games they give away over there because every single time I open epic I need to manually login which is a pain and makes me not want to open it, and the damn thing didn't even have a shopping cart last I checked or a proper front page with games relevant to my interests so I have zero motivation to browse the store there.

@@steel5897 timmie is a liar and a conman. dont expect anything good out of the epic shit store.

@@steel5897 Yeah the exclusivity argument has always been dumb. Steam has plenty of "exclusives" and nobody gives a shit. Same with the Microsoft Store to a lesser extent. The issue is that Epic is an absolutely awful service that uses obnoxious business practices to try and force you to utilize their inferior platform.

@@SpadeDraco the difference is that steam doesn’t sign a goddamn exclusivity deal-no one’s forcing devs to release on steam only, it’s just a superior platform.

pirate from gog dude...

I don't think you missed anything. I think it's just actually good characterization of a manipulative person. Instead of playing tropes and letting you know they're manipulating you... They just manipulate you. You fell for it, as the character would want you to. It's reasonable to feel cheated but it's too late to go back on your decision because the decision is already made. I think there was a small bit of foreshadowing that that could happen, in lines about how she has a personal issue with Reed Tobson. Or when you're talking to them about coming to a compromise, Reed is much more willing to at least try to find a compromise, whereas she's very stubborn about him being thrown out and her being installed as leader. I think in your very first interaction she also opens with some emotional manipulation of Parvati, saying something about her dad being worked to death by spacer's choice. So there were some small signs but only really if you were looking for them, and only if you read into them enough. I would have liked options for trying to undo your decision. I guess at the very simplest level you can always kill her and just hope they find a better leader among themselves.

I think Adelaide just has a hate-on for anyone still loyal to Spacers Choice because they're the reason her son died, wouldn't consider it being manipulative but just not wanting to assist those who mindlessly side with the corporation.

@@devindieckmann9202 That's how she justifies it but it's only people that backed Reed that she exiles afterward. Plus, many of them lost friends and family while under spacers choice, but they band together instead of blaming each other. Adelaide on the other hand causes more deaths and essentially kills more people's children/parents/partners/friends in a more direct way than Reed ever did. It's also uncharitable to say they "mindlessly" sided with the corporation. I mean, look at Parvati. She's not mindless by any means but still believes spacers choice and Reed are the correct option. She even has a whole discussion about it with you in the powerplant to explain why she believes they're a better option.

@@duskmare0000 Everyone at the cannery had been told from birth that they exist to serve the Spacers Choice family under any conditions, and it's brought up in the sick bay convo with some sick lady that everyone in Emerald Vale is constantly looking for people to rat on for better positions in the company, I wouldn't trust those people in my garden of "deserters" either. Siding with Reed is siding with Spacers Choice, and most other folks in the Vale are so brainwashed by the company that they think anything other than service to Spacers Choice is a sin essentially. Parv was also raised by the corporation, so she's got a skewed perception like everyone in the Vale, regardless of how smart she is. Adelaide doesn't feel like spacers ever did anything for her so she feels justified not doing anything for them or those working for them. Spacers Choice doesn't hand out enough medicine to the Vale and the little they do have is only rationed to the "most deserving" and claims that the sickness is a weakness of the spirit. The very first thing Adelaide says to you when you enter the garden isn't "hey, do you work for spacers choice?" It's "hey if you're hungry or sick, eat some food and I'll grab you some medicine." Seems pretty charitable to me, and I can totally understand her despising anyone who thinks holding medicine from the sick is morally justifiable due to their work ethic, aka brainwashed spacers choice employees.

@@duskmare0000 Also is it really emotional manipulation or truth that Adelaide says to Parv? Spacers Choice is definitely the #1 cause of death in the Vale, as they don't provide enough support to hold back marauders or send enough supplies to keep everyone healthy.