Pentium 4 parts don't need collecting, they collect their owners randomly 😅 Glad you are checking out the P4, it has a lot going for it for Retro PC Gaming!
That's what I use one for, thanks to one of your vidz back in the day. Found a mobo for it with a universal AGP slot so I stuck a voodoo 5 in it. Threw in a sound blaster live and had one heck of a windows 98 basement beast.
@@coreyoliver3182 that's a rare beast: a P4 with a universal AGP slot. If it's got DDR support, then you're talking something that can absolutely push that V5 to the rails.
@@ironhead2008 It does. I got lucky with that board. Voodoo 5 runs to its limits. And yes it is using DDR. I should turn it on and look up the specs of the board again. The cpu is around 2.4 ghz I think. Built it a few years ago because of Phil's videos and my own memories. It's why I have multiple retro builds on KVM switches hooked up to trinitron monitors. It was good fun to set it all up.
@@ironhead2008 according to cpuz the motherboard is a PE PRO chipset 645DX. CPU is 2.6 ghz. 512 mb ddr. It uses an AGP 2x slot. Never had any issues with the voodoo it's running right now hooked up to a 21inch sony trinitron. The pci slot has a sb live that works in dos real mode. Perfect machine for Deus Ex. You can also lower the PC speed a lot by playing with cache in bios for the finicky games.
haha du har inte så stora krav ser jag,,, ja på den tiden vist dom funkade helt ok för det va så stort steg i pris mellan en celleron d och en p4 så det va igentligen det ända som va bra med celleron serien
For me too. Imo it was not worth getting a Pentium 4 anymore if you had an LGA 775 board. The Pentium Dual Core E2140 1.6GHZ was the lowest end Dual Core on the LGA 775 and it would outperform an LGA 775 P4 and it would run WAY cooler too
Pentium 4 has one big advantage and that is everyone hates it. Which makes it ideal to build a cheap but very speedy Win 9x retro machine. I especially like the latest generation Cedar Mill P4s that run 3+ GHz and have 2 MB L2 cache.
Never had a Pentium 4 back in the day, amd was king for both bang for the buck and performance in 03-04. Today tho i love Pentium 4 as they are awesome for retro builds.
I liked my Asus P4PE with a 2,4 Ghz Pentium 4 and 512 MB memory! It was a perfectly good computer for the gamas at that time. ATI Rage Fury was the video card, and it was the best agp card at that time.
I got my first job in 2003, and bought a P4 system, then found out not too long after that a hyperthreading model had come out or was coming out soon, then Athlon64 hit a few months after. Now I always do my research before buying anything.
Was a big ASUS/Abit Fan, back in the day. Started with P2B/P2-300, went to BP6 with dual 366mhz Celerons @ 550mhz and then switched to a p3-700@900 on a BX133-RAID. After that IT7 with 2,2ghz, mostly stock speeds. Went directly to a Core2 Duo 6600. Golden Days! Always with Nvidia cards -> Nvidia Riva128, TNT, TNT2, Geforce256 DDR, Geforce 2, 4, etc...etc... Student server in 2001 at my University, where I was able to place "my" own server there: Tyan Thunder Slot2, 2x Pentium 2 Xeon 400mhz, 1GB ECC, SCSI Raid 5 in a CS601 ;) Keep up with the good stuff, Victor!
@@poofygoof 8 way would have been fun to see! I had 2x Pentium 2 Xeons with 400mhz and 700mhz also lying around, but those 700 Pentium 3 Xeons didn't work in the Tyan Thunder...so I was stuck with the P2 Xeons. That was a nice little machine with a lot of power back in the day
Switched to AMD after using a Intel Pentium 3 for a long time back in the day. Think i got a AMD 1800+ with ddr. Pentium 4 sold much better then it had any right to do, thanks to Intels shady tactics of forcing suppliers not to sell AMD cpus.
I have a Pentium 4 Extreme edition with hyper-threading 3GHz and 4GB(memory maxed out) of ram as a retro rig for XP. It has both PCIe and PCI bus and builtin Gb network. During the pandemic I had my main desktop fatal breakdown. In order to be able to work from home. I installed Win7 64 bit on the retro rig. And moved some parts from the failed PC. And it surprised how well it worked. Yeah sometimes I could sense it was on the slow side. But it was able to take any task that I throw at it. And I could keep working as normal
Die socket 775 met AGP zou ik toch bijhouden, want dit is eigelijk best waardevol, zeker omdat dit een uitzondelijke combo is! Leuke video! Ik heb een pentium 3 met rambus, het is trager dan mijn celeron p3 based laptop met 50mhz minder en gewoon sd ram :p rambus, what a mistake! Why was rambus so bad? It boasted a big speed advantage, but the latency was so high, that high clocked sd ram could beat it! That is why intel abandoned rambus in the 478 era
My current retro machine is a Compaq Presario R3000 laptop which user desktop P4 Northwood S478 chips on an ATi R200 platform, with Radeon 9000 IGP graphics. I am quite emotionally attached to it.
The mid-P4 era is the time when I built my first computer which led to me working at some local computer stores in the early 2000s. That generation of P4s and the early amd64 was the takeoff point of the current PC gaming market with the ati 9600 and nvidia 6600 really being the spot for dx9 and $6-700 gaming computers. I just recently bought a p4 3.2ghz Prescott PC which I'm building up to play that era of LAN games. A simple sata2 pci card and an SSD makes XP fly on those old i865/875 boards.
I went for the Duron/Athlon machines during that era. Socket A lasted a good while. Everybody was scared about chipping their CPU die during heatsink install. I think I did on my Duron, and not the Athlon, but it worked anyway. I do remember people lapping their P4 IHS. Even some people lapping the exposed dies of AMD CPUs.
The blank RIMM modules are not for signal termination, but to connect the memory bus to the signal termination circuit on the board. The Rambus memory protocol was serialized, so all slots in the system had to be electrically connected, whether with actual memory modules or those blank CRIMMs. This was one of the reasons the Rambus standard didn't took off in the PC space and to this day the memory interface is the only system bus still remaining parallel, while pretty much everything else have moved to serialized P2P signalling. Curiously, now with DDR5, all signal termination is done on the DIMMs, for data and commands. Maybe, this would have been the plan for the Rambus memory evolution, but it wasn't meant to be.
Honestly, love that I just got an ABIT IS7-E recently. Not only ABIT boards are a special kind of rare, but even more so on Pentium 4. Now, only a matter of getting a proper heatsink to cool that behemoth of a Prescott I have around.
This video reminded me to go hunting for a p4 board with lots of PCI slots on it for a project I've been wanting to do forever. Found one, hope nobody else bids on it. lol.
That socket 423 motherboard is neat and you should really see if you can get it running. Rambus was wicked fast versus DDR1. A guy at a LAN party I went to had one and it was crazy faster in memory bandwidth than my poor man's overclocked Athlon XP using DDR1. Back in the day a roomate of mine worked at Microcenter and bought a ton of P4 stuff for dirt cheap at the employee auction/sale. He got an engineering sample Pentium 4 motherboard and a half tray of cpus! This was probably 2003 or 2004. For quite a while I ran that socket 478 board and a P4 (2.53GHz I think?) with a promise raid controller as a home server.
Had a P4 3GHz on i865 as a home computer for a long time. It was quite fast, worked well, ran games, Photoshop, other stuff. Gradually updated it with more memory and abetter videocard. It was a good WinXP machine. It could over clock up to 3,4GHz, which was nice. I kept the guts of that system since then, and recently decided to bring it back just for fun. The processor caps on the mb weren't looking good, so I replaced them, and it turned out that one of the memory sticks died since I last used it. Other than that, still runs well, and unlike PIII systems, runs well HoMM IV (ha, another "4" and another not much loved product of the era - but I don't care, I like it :)
Victor, please build a Pentium 4 system with your version of the fastest Windows 98se machine. Benchmark and video your results! I would love to see what you come up with. Cheers.
I had an Abit IC7-G motherboard, with a Pentium 4 Prescott overclocked at 3.87GHz, and I think wth 2x512MB Geil ultrafast memory. Also had 2 Western Digital Raptor 10k RPM disks in RAID0. Quite a fast computer for the time.
You need to go Xeon if you want 64-bit PCI and SMP. I have a ProLiant ML350 G4p which has this. It also has PCIe slots which means it can take modern video cards. 12 GiB DDR2 RAM. It would have been the ultimate NetBurst machine in 2005. Then the following year Intel released Core2 which rendered it immediately obsolete. So it goes.
I had 1 Pentium 4, I can't even remember what 1 it was, But AMD had the Athlon's and they were just faster, so I ditched the P4 for a Athlon XP and that trend continued, Idk why Intel stuck with the P4 for so long other than they made companies like Dell sign a contract so Intel banked off that for a while, Though once the Core 2 Duo came out, that was a proper upgrade.
I believe between Pentium 4 era and Core 2 there was a short time when we could have 2 Prescotts or Cedar Mill cores in one package - Pentium D. Later some motherboards which supported them, were able to support Core 2 Duo-Quad (although not all, mobos with Intel 945 chipset supported them, but not more expensive Intel 955). That was a hot beast.
The Xeon variants (and the P4 Extreme) actually had hyperthreading enabled. The issue the Pentium D ran into (and why a hyperthreading Prescott-2M or Cedar Mill nearly beat it clock for clock) was bandwidth. Functionally, the Pentium D was 2 P4 cores sharing a socket: anything that had to go from one core to the other had to go through the MCH (Northbridge) over a common lane shared by the other CPU. There's a very good reason why the hyperthreading enabled P4Ds needed a 1066 mhz FSB board: because at baseline it was very bandwidth constrained and it likely needed the faster FSB to show any real performance uplift.
I have a few P4 systems and I like them. The first system I built myself was a socket 478 Pentium 4. I recently acquired a socket 423 motherboard with rambus which runs really hot for some reason.
I currently have at least 3 P4s. One is an IBM that's very temperamental. One is an Acer that works perfectly (that sounds so backwards it's not funny). The other has only just found its way to me & I'm genuinely wondering if HP has made it right or not.
My personal ultimate Netburst machine (AGP) is an Asus NCCH-DL with two Xeon Gallatin MP 3Ghz and 4MB L3 cache (SL79V) @ 3,45GHz. With a U-Wire mod you can rise the V-Core and clock them higher. I Watercooled them, because with more V-Core and at 3,4Ghz, they put out a lot of heat. But I agree, P4 is boring. But even if you try to avoid them, they just spawn in any collection.
Very strange that your heavy smoker bought into P4 early, and then upgraded to ANOTHER netburst right at the end. I'd guess very few people had that particular experience, and far more (like me) had the more typical Northwood/Prescott mid-generation experience. Back in the day the family computer had a 2.53 P4, right now I have too much P4 stuff to list, all of it S478. I like it, but only for sentimental reasons. And strangely enough I'm upgrading a Dual MP system right now, which when finished might take over or share the role my P4 system fills.
I have a bit of fondness for the P4 because it uses the failed Netburst architecture. It makes it a bit more unique compared to other old chips. When they moved on from P4 to Core 2 they went back to the older P3 architecture again.
I can't help but to find that early RAMBUS S423 board interesting. If that thing has a SBlink port it might make for an interesting build. And yeah,P4s are boring, but they're cheap, reliable, and most S478 boards will take at least a 2.6 to 2.8 GHZ Northwood which is enough muscle to run the toughest of W98se era games. Mate it with a cheapo GF4-440MX and a flexible sound card (say a ESS Solo-1 or an Audigy 2) and you've got something that can do a lot. Wanna do early XP? Swap in a R300 or R400 based ATI, the QuadroFX version of the FX5900 (reasonably priced last I checked), or a Geforce 6600 (or perhaps the unlockable 6200s) and you're done.
Yeah, I like RAMBUS socket 423 boards too. Pretty much every piece of failed early 2000s technology all combined into one. Willamette, socket 423, RAMBUS... Even technically the P4 in general since the Netburst architecture was a failure.
I never owned a Pentium 1-4 back in the day because AMD/Cyrix were always cheaper. I did own a Celeron A300 for about 6 months and overclocked it to 450 MHz --- it was faster than anything I'd had before ... Pentiums were too expensive, so I never formulated an opinion about them. However, as a retro hobby and collector I think P4's have a place. To me they are on the edge of the retro spectrum and the 64bit chips w/ HT might not be retro. Do a video on a maxed out 32 bit P4 system.
I had 2 P4 PC’s back in the days, the beginning of the P4 I had a athlon CPU. Later I had a Mediacentre PC with P4. And an P4 with HT. Also the end of the PC gaming era for me,
I had dual athlon MP on a a Tyan tiger MP board. I also skipped the P4. I was working at a computer store at the time and built lots of them. Wasn’t too impressed with the P4. Rambuss was so expensive and the performance wasn’t as good as my dual althlon.
I have an 2004 ibm motherboard with something like 2.8 p4 or d, but decent videocard from that era (6600 agp) was gone to my college, so i don't know should i build it for quake 3 purposes with ti4200 or Radeon 9600 pro. Vortex 2 is laying on a shelf too..
To be fair to Intel, their own branded P4 motherboards sure were durable. They at least used decent caps, unlike the mountains of dead Socket 462 boards out there. But certainly, at least at the time, the Athlons (and arguably Duron's) were by far the smarter choice! Back in the day, I went from a PIII 600E to a Core 2. Everything in between was Athlon/AXP. Athlon master race!😋Worth noting that this would have been the time period that Intel were paying OEMs to sell systems with P4's, despite the Athlons being superior. Tut tut tut. .
I only had AMD back then. Today, however, as a collector and retro friend, I also have many machines from the Pentium 4 era. I have machines of all generations here. Starting with the 8088. Yes, the Pentium 4 was bad, so bad that Intel downgraded it to a slow, cheap CPU in the Celeron league with the advent of the Core generation. Therefore, the brand name Pentium will soon be removed from the Intel product range. The Pentium 4 was the reason for this decline.
P4 motherboards make fantastic w98 retro machines. FACT !! The best boards to collect IMO are those with universal AGP slots, and also the cedar mill 775 models. These are going to extremely sought after in years to come. You can still find them for now, but they are beginning to get rarer... get it while you can.
I skipped the whole P4 thing at the time as well. Not really a fan of it. I do have some early and late P4 in my collection. And the performance is not that bad at all even comparing to late PIII stuff. But the value isn't there of couse. At the time just like you in 2002 I build an A7M266-D machine with two MP (real ones) 2000+ and a Ti4600 which I flashed to Quadro4 900XGL. I also ran SCSI. Defending somehow the P4 our mobos didn't have much USB as well. In fact, I remember Asus even bundled an ext. PCI USB 2.0 card with the board that gave some driver headaches. What also did gave a lot of headaches was the power draw of that dual Athlons. I had to replace PSU several times each half a year. They just kept breaking and I couldn't understand why. So dual Athlons wasn't a great platform either. What I do recommend you to check out, Victor, is dual Xeon 603/604 era stuff, especially Asus PC-DL. That thing is just a BP6 class legend. In 2003 you could take a pair of dirt cheap Xeon ULV 1.6 (P4 based) and overclock shit out of them doubling to 3.2GHz! I also have an early Supermicro P4DC6+II which is quite rare but very interesting one. It's got dual 603, Intel 860 chipset, RD-RAM, PCI64 and SCSI, all you could wish for back then. Also my favourite P4 chips run on that board and that are Xeon MP 3.00 Gallatin with 4MB of L3 cache. An older brother to that P4 3.2 Extreme Edition which had "only" 2MB cache. So lots of interesting stuff to check from that P4 era.
Pentium 4's make great spare LAN party machines for anyone who isn't a collector or very interested, just to be able to join in and have fun! Besides that I don't really care for them either.
I'd go with a second Pentium 4 video, maybe put the pentium 4 directly in the later core 2 quad pc just too quickly test out how it does in games vs the core 2 quad too really feel the difference between the generations there.
The pentium 4 era certainly doesn't feel like there is much too talk about hardware wise. While other parts of the industry was rapidly advancing it felt like people were stuck on them longer then they should have. For early socket 775 adopters with agp, ddr1 & even early ddr2 some motherboards & computers aged really poorly. Completely cut off from being able too utilize the well received core 2 duo. Granted some games & software didn't really need it quite yet until later in 2007 - 2011 where those started showing up in the recommended & minimum system requirements. Some weren't particularly excited about that 230$ processor purchase they just made needing more parts too work. (Core 2 duo e6400 retail price as an example.) Which would have been a pretty huge upgrade from a pentum d 840 with about 60% better performance.* Pentium 4, celeron, pentium D on socket 775 & socket 478 kind of felt unimpressive due too their popularity & the rather shallow upgrade path the industry was heading towards. They were simply everywhere & people in the know either loathed them due too issues from the capacitor plague, heat, windows vista system requirements not being met on ram too run smoothly among other things. Due too intel's marketing strategies & deals with oem's they had a huge chunk of the market compared too AMD. So those computers were still everywhere well into 2012 - 2015. Here personally i got them in here & there until mid 2010's too 2015 for service or upgrades which many times i simply recovered some data, reinstalled the operatingsystem, maybe added some more ram & recommended them too buy new computers that meet at minimum X & Y & like an example or two of a middle of the road laptop or desktop pc that could a few years onwards simply get a refresh with more ram, ssd & do pretty well still as a daily use machine, or as a lighter gaming pc.
Probably the oldest CPU than can relatively browse the web for generic tasks today. The Athlon XP is finally out on that and it won't even let you install a modern browser anymore because it lacks some instructions that the Pentium 4 has instead
I had a couple of Pentium 4 systems, think I ended up building 3 total. My first pc I ever built was a Pentium 4 and I still have that system minus the video card that died on me. I'd recycle them since p4s were not a good architecture but I like having my old computers.
I have a Dell tower I got for free. It has a socket 478 hyperthreaded P4 like 2.8GHz I think and 2GB of DDR1 RAM. Just as you said it is boring. Even after installing a SB Audigy 2 and a Radeon 9800XT... it's still boring! Main problem I think is that I have several Core2 and i-series machines which can do everything that Dell can do only about 100x faster. And if I want to do DOS stuff I have an actual Pentium machine and an Athlon XP machine which runs win98 perfect which neither needs hacked to try to force win98/DOS to work.
Back in the day I jumped over from a Duron system to a Sempron 64 system. I always hated Pentium 4s for the heat they produced, and for how slow they were clock to clock compared to Athlons XP/64. Recently when acquiring some retro parts I stumbled across many P4 boxes. They are the cheapest "retro" PCs. I resold practically everything and only kept the beige cases. PS. The heat sinks for P4s always put too much stress on the motherboard and made it bend, it was such a quickly done and lousy design.
Celeron-D is to the PC world like those body caps with a pinhole lens to the camera world. It works, but it's mostly only useful for protection. But yeah you should try the the 423
rambuss vas 1 memory one special card , so if you needed dual chanel you needed 2 rambuss memorys and 2 other special rambuss things memorys i dont remember the name on them thats reson i speak like ido sorry for that rember it vas faster then normal memorys :D
You probably have managed to find two of the world's most boring P4 boards. Okay, to be fair, Intel chipsets never were as exciting as, say, the nForce2, but the 865PE or 875P still are fun and stable (and can be run with a modern ATX12V PSU, so no worrying about elderly PSUs). And if you want PCIe, just get a i915 board.
For me Pentium 4 is sort of a black hole and mainly 478 socket era. I have only one mashine in my collection that is based on Pentium 4, and it has P4 HT 640 running at 3.4GHz alongside Asus P5LD2 Deluxe and GeForce 6800GS. And honestly I really don't see sense in building something on P4 hardware that is older than 2005 since Intel CPU's at that time were nothing to write home about. Way more interesting is Core 2, where you can build a monster riding on something like Q9650, etc. Or in different direction - you can take highend P3 hardware and do some equally great stuff with it. Summarizing: Pentium 4 was crap, and as I said - imo only build that makes sense, is the one based on Prescott-2M.
I hate the p4 soooooo slow , I have a 2800+ nf2 with bh-5 and 7800gs and a fx-55 with 8800gtx sli , Will never sell these machines , I have p4p800s not selling for years 😅
