The Phantom Family / War Thunder 

Lol

I only have the f4e but the f4ej is definitely the best

@@sawyerbray188 EJ gets the best missile options out of all and can research them immediately

i will get f4f selling on op suffer

@@williewilson2250 AFAIK EJ has better speed and retention, E has a better turn rate

Do play one match at the day ?

@@JoseJimenez-sh1yi I've played for seven years and restarted four times. I've never reached above BR 8.0 because I've always ended up losing money and making no profits

@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming git gud

@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming how do you lose all your money?!

Wealth isn’t happiness the most important thing is fun

Do they have a modern zeros?

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wfc7qBVplxQ.html

@@randomfish2054 technically the f-3 could be the new "zero"

@@randomfish2054 the Mitsubishi F-2 is called the "Viper Zero" so in a way, yeah.

Those are only the RF-4EJs. They sundowned the F-4EJs in November but are still using them for test and development

With enough thrust even pigs can fly!

It was called the flying bus by its pilots

lol but its actually very good watch some old footage

Not only it glorify flight..

In thrust we trust

lmao

lol

Lol

use me264 to farm sl then get f4c gg ez, also f8f is good

relatable

Ah, yes! I love this plane, too bad Gaijin predatory strategies won't let me get one in War Thunder. What's up with that repair cost raise and SL multiplier nerf Gaijin?

lol it only took me 1 and a half months to grind lmao _Edit: I was wrong! I meant it took me 1 and a half months to reach the Phantom from Rank II up to Rank VI_

Why 5 years? I am only 2.5 ranks away lol

I've been playing for 2 years and I haven't gotten to a single MiG yet

@@J0hn-MiCHaeL Is War Thunder a full-time job you pay to work at?

Fr

And the F9F is child version

lol

Look up a Sepecat Jaguar :D

Hahaha

Meeg 30th like

i want to like this comment but its at 69 likes

Dammit meg

Good question

Good question

Good question

Good question

Good question

Please explain.

@@toddgillis3882 the grind is really bad

@@toddgillis3882 you'll play 2 years to get that.

well you have paid players to pay for wt's sustainability

I started 3 months ago and now I’m at the phantoms

Awesome

I predict that they'll introduce the F-5 before the F-14.

You mean MiG-28s? :D

Shenyang F-5 :p

MiG 23s

@@garnix5612 (whispering) Bingo!

Nien

@Tageslicht can u pls explain pls

@@0xsn1pe36 german F4F got added in

Hey, I bring good news from the future. Unless you like countermeasures. You don't get those, because Gaijin doesn't like you.

@@revolver265 well tbh it's Germany, they don't suffer and deserve what they grinded for

@@williewilson2250 ground wise, yeah, in air they suffer tho

@@jetenthusiast6355 they have the best planes up until top tier

I want to see more F4 phantom formations of players having fun.

@@masol3726 get into a custom battle

Witaj kolego

I got it.

Took me 2 months

Yo dont worry, Gaijin alreasy said that its coming soon! We... Dont know what soon means, But probably it means this year.

And it's schiesse

Where on the tree would they put it? After the f-104? That just doesn’t seem right

@@bonstormincorporated72 they could do it after the g91. F4 is strong in cas

@@bonstormincorporated72 yes i agree

@@orestiadac4305 it would make sens there since its the one line close to top tier without top tier, i would love it if it would be after 262 pulkzerstörer

@@hotelvalsinestra6380 ATTACK THE D POINT

there there, its coming this year

Good guess as an event vehicle

@@ackbar4603 The sadness

Next for amarica will have to be early versions of the f15, the a8 , and the a6 intruder or earlier carrier bombers, mig 23 for east germany tech tree and russia next

@@toyotawitha20mm35 that is a serious answer, I didn't exepy that

how about Mig 29

@@kirito_exophoenix4082 with 50 ammo capacity

@@xx_insert_cool_username_he6876 oh yeah Stalin is either way sending us to gulag For this low ammo capacity and being unable to kill with cannon Plus relying on air to air missiles

It still is meta

@@kekdermott3055 not really, the 21bis shifted the meta quite a bit

@@jg54sayaka11 your not wrong the Bis was a nessacary addition and it's a much needed improvement over the SMT. However despite that it's doesn't fix the mig 21's biggest weakness which is BVR combat its radar is still sub par and the R3R is still only useful for close range headons. Additionally the Mig is still unable to carry 8 missiles, and its energy retention during dogfighting is still not great either. Again I'm not saying it's a bad plane but it's still not equal to the Phantoms that spot goes to the Mig 23.

Now your BR is?

@@DeadSkyWT 4.3.... Sweden is a hard tree to grind at tier 3 and 4

@@jamesbartlett7971 Play realistic, Sweden is an easy af tree to grind

@@DeadSkyWT I played realistic I just do t have premium

@@jamesbartlett7971 nevertheless, in 2 months of grinding, you'd most likely be at BR 8.0 lol

A: idk

And it will most likely be tier 7 in the GR.91 line because of its bomber/fighter compatibility

I hope never

@@Kuboxc why do you not want it, don’t want to fight a balanced game?

@@Justin-zi5io cuz germany teams with ussr

oh god they will have everything best from russia and usa

@@rektangel333 worse, only phantoms and cl13 would be better if Germany got phantoms too , Russia gets better migs already

@@rektangel333 the F-4F would be worse than any of the other phantoms right now because it only carried Aim9Bs (and of course the M61 in the nose since its a simplified very of the F4E) and cant use Sparrows. It only got the ability to use Aim9Ls with the Peace Rhine upgrade but Gaijin is still refusing to give jets all aspect Heatseekers.

@@Fl3iR Still in the long run Germany will have aircrafts like Mig-29 & Su-17 family, even Typhoon and Tornado if Gaijin decides to go that further into the tech tree.

Would have rather seen the F4 in the German tree over the Mig 21

It does at around 10k feet, where it says it can.

@@kaimehta1022 not in any experience I have with the F4c

@@theraptors6597 look at the max speed at altitude on the stat card, climb to that altitude in a test flight with clean wings and no gun pod, full afterburner with min fuel and no fuel consumption turned on, wait about 5-10 mins, watch absolutely nothing interesting happen That good?

Yes it does

It's here!

me too my friend

we love * my friend

We do not like you.

@@thevextv ok

I think Vex is a Russian tree user with his biased migs

Nice, what about the F4E??

Same

Same

the A10 was made in the cold war, but i know what you sayin, but yes das ist true

@@suicidalpancakepress5756 well after the F-4 but this thing could wipe anything if you add the tri Cannons

@@MegaExCaliber yeah

YESSS!!! the pre ancestor of the A10!!

@@isaacthekim247 ...not really

@@isaacthekim247 i hope this is a joke

@@the-lag-gamerita5446 it is lol

@@n1thecaptain965 Funny he would say it's a joke, since in a way it really isn't. P-47 held the name Thunderbolt and was designed by Republic Aviation. A-10 Thunderbolt II retained the name honoring the P-47, and it had the right to do that since it was built by the derivative of Republic Aviation merged with another company-Fairchild Republic.

Yeah

does germany suffair again?? xD

MiG-21 isnt enough ?

@@Real_Claudy_Focan and no flares and poor loadouts but okay

At least give the germans the mig 21 bis

Sim battles my dude

@@rokstar3178 you know what, never any going when I try lol. Always play realistic battles, never arcade. The game is fun most of the time, can get frustrating though.

Get a premium account. Its worth it

@@blake9908 got one, it is handy.

I'm going for the grind mainly in arcade. Am I making a mistake?

And it was not much of a secret.

Yeah

Because Germany is good enough already

Hell, the USN, the first operator of the F-4 still lacks an F-4B or J. Both of which had different radars, engines, weapon systems, and even internally mounted flare dispensers.

@@tommygallagher5747 I`d say the same to US tech tree

are you serious?

@@nemipishinalichnopls4300 yes? Why not

@@nemipishinalichnopls4300 They SeRiOuSlY did have one tho lol.

Dude I've been begging Gaijin

@@bwhittv1446 yes I get that they had one or even more but why add it to the game? is germany suffering ?

Never 😂

It never lost them

@@captaincornflakes6384 it did I think ? Or did they remove then add them again... I remember the f4e players losing slats in the chat

@@conorf8091 just played a game in my f4 and they only deploy if you lower flaps as they did historically

@@captaincornflakes6384 wait so... FGR2 has them also the ?! The ones that drop down on down on front of the wings? Although fgr has no combat flaps. Cheers though mate, I need to research the f4e

Thats my question...

The german phantom can be very weak, or very op

@@장현준-w7c the German F-4F standard (not ICE) will be weaker than the F-4E.

@@ffar662 exactly

@@ffar662 Yes, the standard version would only have the M61 vulcan and Aim9B FGW2s (also known as Aim9Fs). Only with the peace rhine upgrade, it could carry Aim9Ls

Oh wooooow

its confirmed dude

@@WolferFrostByte it is?

@@chickennugg3847 yep

@@WolferFrostByte nice looks like I’m grinding Germany now

@@chickennugg3847 tho im not quite sure when tho all they said was its coming this year and how "soon" they cannot say

It's a reasonable

LMAO GET GOOD ITS NOT THAT HARD TO GRIND LMAO

@@kaiserisyoursenpai1935 I barely got the c and now I'm halfway through the f4e phantoms ll it's not hard as soon as you get them

@@cristobalalvarez5491 yeah im about to get the f4e

@@kaiserisyoursenpai1935 that's good

German MIG 23 with Wympel R23R/R24R rockets?

Vietnam, not Veitnam

WE WANT IT

I want it but other nations need actual top tier jets and the f4f phantom would be the most advanced jet in the game so it won’t be added until a rank 7 jet tier is made

@@kannan159 then stop selling your weapons and war gear all over the world ;)

Well, except for the P47, P-51 and even Mig-17 if i recall

I know you are german but I want it too

Same

You already have a Mig-21

@@clevethunder676 that’s no longer as competitive as it use to be

@@thatguy3977 but still completely competitive. Otherwise you’d have to call the draken uncompetitive

Just got my f4ej

@Glenn McH nah ive ben playing for enough to know how to dodge matra's lmao

Didn’t they had it sometime back?

yes but they were not perm

I think they're coming soon

they don't. agile eagle phantoms have permanent leading edge slats

@@migdonalds they used to have the leading edge slats, and the devs confirmed that they have the performance of the agile eagle in game .

@@brycewalker7797 makes sense as to why it's so maneoverable but it still shouldn't be able to pull a sustained 12g...

@@migdonalds well I’m not too well versed on the performance of the phantom, but what I will say is that the F-4E does not pull anywhere near 10+G’s early in the battle. However, as fuel is burned (and the plane becomes lighter), it can actually pull that. That’s in terms of physics. In terms of technology, I don’t know if the phantom has computers and systems that limit the amount of G’s the plane can pull.

@@brycewalker7797 phantom combat turn would pull about 6g. its airframe could withstand up to 9g but it would require an overhaul as it would start to literally pull rivets put of the wings

Favorite ww2- me262 Favorite - Cold war F4 Favorite - F15

I think the issue is hiw do we balance them getting the beat if both worlds Personally id give them a good version of ones aircraft be it soviet or allies then give a very gimped version of the other

@@dozergames2395 I would guess that they havent added the F-4F yet, because it would either be completely useless with only 4 Aim9B FGW2s and no flares or OP with four Aim9Ls (which it got with the Peace Rhine upgrade). The standard F-4F would be dead on arrival but if they give it Aim9Ls, it would be way too strong. Gaijin is refusing to give fixed with aircraft all aspect heatseekers because it would be very hard to balance

@@Serkay64 so basically germany will get a dud or nothing with how gaijin tends to do things

@@dozergames2395 Yep, seems like it. Thos is why I hope that germany will get the MiG21bis, because the F-4F isnt really an option right now

@@Serkay64 I'm down for them to get that

>The mig 17, in good hands, could shoot down an F-4. The Mig17 was incredibly maneuverable and was well armed. Un like many contemparey fighters, it was very unarmored. 1 well placed 30mm shot from a Mig 21 could reek havoc on the Phantom. It's a moot point, any plane piloted well enough can down another piloted poorly enough. We're all aware of the Po-2 versus F-94 maneuver kill. Armor is not a factor in aircraft design, even so-called "armored" planes like the A-10 are only designed to keep the pilot alive long enough for him to eject, the plane will not survive significantly more damage than any other. In fact, its slow speed, low altitude, and weak engines are all a liability in that regard, where the F-4's performance saved many aviators' lives by allowing them to eject in safe locations rather than over North Vietnam. And as always, performance and technology that means you don't get hit in the first place is always better than trying to reduce damage taken from a hit. >The missiles were very unreliable and sense I don't play WT, I don't know if you made that mistake or not. They're reasonably accurate considering WT doesn't model malfunctions or maintenance errors that caused a great many of these failures in real life. >Navy Phantoms never used a gun. They were tested with the Mk 4 Mod 0 gunpod, however in practice this was only used by Marines and only for a very short time. The Mk 4 was horribly unreliable, and removed from service entirely after 1967.

The Navy never used a gun because it gives the Phantom more weight...

@@theorganizer1273 Navy never used a gun because they flew the Phantom as a fighter-interceptor and didn't need a gun. The Navy tested the Mk 4, but never used it operationally on the F-4. The Marines did, but only for a short time.

They are still in service in Turkey

oof

Hallo

That's for helis

@@luclanglois9086 they made other songs, and fortunate son could be played for jets

I became an expert in one plane 'The Halifax' it was only 4K SL now sadly 8K and it bought me all my ships and planes including the Phantom :)

@@j.jwhitty5861 how many games did that take lol

@@thatguy3977 Just over 3000 flights to net 40 million SL, I know it's sad, I'll never get that time of my life back again :(

@@j.jwhitty5861 how come

Well dont worry then, Gaijin already confirmed on a QnA that its coming soon! We... Don't exactly know what "Soon" means, But most likely later this year

@@HeRRydeRR I mean I dont really play the german luftwaffe that often, I was just wondering why they didnt give them the f4 when everyone else got one

@@Lukas-tn6go because the F4F could carry all aspect missiles (aim9L) which wouldnt fit in the current meta. Gaijin had two choices: Add the F4F with only aim9bs and let it die, or wait to add next gen fighters so they can add the fully upgraded F4F with Aim 120s and Aim9Ls, and they probalby choose the last one

u and me both

Please no. Sure for top tier but for everything below it's just a massive map with 80% of the match just driving around and if you die, you don't want to respawn and drive again.

@@ollilaine6763 well, there are small versions of it which id really like to see. and when i say small, i mean it would be a medium-big map for 1.0 tanks.

Facts

I’m in the same GunBoat as you are

When they fix Russian bias and make nato vs warsaw which is never ;(

Gg your first

Bias

@@tylera-n398 No. just better :)

@@ffar662 You do realize the Phantom II had the nickname "Leading distributor of MiG parts" right? Not even that, but the MiG 21 was also called the Widowmaker by it's respective pilots... To top it off, the Phantom II has been meta for the paat year now. The MiG 21 is just now good enough with the Bis in game.

@@sethjansson5652 MiG-21s were good enough to combat the phantoms, it was the tactics they were forced to use that made them bad irl. In game MiGs aren’t forced to those tactics. The MiG-21 aren’t even a direct counterpart to the Phantom II and they are still better in a air to air engagement.

**intense laughter** No.

No *BRRRRRT*

"fighter" ... more like ground destroyer

it's not a fighter my dude

Not a fighter

Jet fighter *cough cough* though it would be cool, im probably never gonna play it since it's gonna be such a grind

Hahah flarakrad will eat it

Never say never I have the Phantom FGR.2, never had a premium account and only ever spent $20 on the game. Run the game as you would a business ;)

@@j.jwhitty5861 been trying buddy