There are so many ways into thinking about Dark that it was hard to settle on just Heidegger! Are there any other philosophers you'd like to explore Dark with, or any other interesting details I missed?
It was very meditative to listen to this. A lot of the philosophy of the story gets pushed into the background by the suspense of the time travel mystery plot. And some viewers seem to think it's mere decoration. Obviously Shopenhauer and Nietzsche are always mentioned and I would be interested to hear your take on it.
Schopenhauer was the main source of quotes. I have the theory that Hegel and Schopenhauer are the Schrödingers Cat of philosophy. Hegel saw everything as waves, Schopenhauer saw everthing as individuals/particals, Heidegger was the one collapsing the wave of potential.
There's so much incredible symbolism, both visual and thematic in DARK. For example, whenever Jonas and Martha meet alone for the first time in season 1 and 3, they do so while standing on railroad tracks. It hints at the reality of their existences; running in parallel, but never meeting
The French anthropologist René Girard wrote extensively on the subject of desire. He speculated that desire, in most of the world's literature and mythologies, was imitative or mimetic. In other words, we have a tendency to look at what other people desire and we ourselves believe that we desire it as well even though, in our heart of hearts, we probably don't. This mimetic desire then leads to conflict against one another, leading to scapegoating and wars. I LOVE the idea that the characters in Dark are imitating THEIR OWN DESIRES from past or future selves, and still finding no release.
Great video. Much appreciated. There is one more dialog by tanhouse which touches the core philosophy. "You can choose what you want but your wants are already choose for you".
You have a real genius about your ways of words. Subscribed. The future in Dark is always bearing down on the characters it has a velocity that can not be out maneuvered. 🤯🤯🤯I got goosebumps. This video was well worth time.
That are many questions that made me seek annihilation (suicide) to finally be free of the pain, but I've started to believe in neither annihilation or in the cycle of life, but something else, something beyond what our little minds can comprehend, It's hard to accept that we will probably never know what happens afterwards, but maybe we shouldn't care, maybe we should let go of that desire to seek meaning in life but enjoy it until the time comes that we may or may not understand everything, maybe there's much more that we will never be able to comprehend until we go from this world to another one, but until then I'll live. Or maybe there is a way of knowing, nothing is impossible
It was my favorite show when I was a young teenager, I saw the philosophy in some kind in the show bakc then, but I did not know what philosphy of existence or existencialism is. Now the show makes even more sense. Great analysis
Man, how did you create this video? I mean, you sound like a Dark expert, and your knowledge of Philosophy and life are terrific! i was intrigued from the beginning to the end...and from the end to the beginning. ;)
Ok, Now I like you more because of the painting at the end. Very clever play of words, since the name you’ve chosen for the channel is also in the name of the painting itself. Also given that the painting is my favourite of all.
Sic mundus creatus est. It has to do with the Emerald Tablet that is also written on the body’s of Bartosz and Noah. Hermeticism is the religion and philosophy where a lot from Dark comes from. It’s an rabbit hole to hardly get out of when entered. It will awnser all questions
Why isn't there an option to like countless times if there was i would give you 1 million likes 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍......i don't usually comment even if i like the video but these is just wonderful, this is the best explanation of dark so far.
This is one reason I like “ Man in the high Castle” I took the central message to be that the heroine is the same in all dimensions, unlike any other character. Or goodness is unwavering, despite the circumstances.
The first season to the third is just a loupe. When I watch the last final episode of season 3 I suddenly remembered true detective when rust talk about the endless circle of time .
Imagine if Charlotte was never dropped off at the doctor’s house... he’d build another time machine, wouldn’t he? How many more dimensions would have been created???
My question is, if Jonas just killed himself, wouldn't that have prevented Adam from ever existing. I mean, now that Adam exists, he can't because "time" has magical properties, stopping guns from firing, which was dumb as hell. It went from outcomes being invariable because of the decions people made, to time playing an active role, like preventing a gun from firing twice if aimed at Adam, to it working when Noah gave the gun to someone else and shooting Noah with it. Also, why couldn't Noah tell his younger self the truth? He NEEDED to go through all that bullshit only to find out he was lied to after years of committing atrocities? Plenty of irrational decisions needed to ensure the integrity of thetimeline. And time needs to be like a sentient being, intervening in an active God like fashion. Jonas can't POSSIBLY kill himself because Adam already exists? So the dude could jam a knife into his throat, but won't die BECAUSE time will intervene like a sentient being to ensure he's not successful? So silly. At a certain point, they started trading off logic for easier plot integrity.
While I understand that it might feel a bit like "cheating" their way out of explaining things: that happens in S3, Eva kills Jonas, and that doesn't stop anything from happening; Adam tried to kill his unborn son in Alt Martha's womb, and that also did nothing: because the knot perpetuates itself by having two pregnant Marthas: one that lives and goes on to have a son and become Eve, and the other killed by Adam, and two Jonas's: one survives to become The Stranger and then Adam, and one is killed by Eve. As Schrodinger's Cat, that can only happen by the Apocalypse overriding the liniearity of time and allowing two possible alternatives existing at once, yet it's still part of the knot. And since the loop is self-perpetuating, nothing to stop it can happen, simply because time is "the same" all throughout the knot in both worlds. The whole device of time travel is to show what the logical conclusion of determinism would be: even with time travel nothing can be changed because it has/is/will happen as it always did. Ulrich cannot kill Helge because Helge didn't die, Michael/Mikkel can't go back to 2019 because he never did, yet these things that seem as tautologies are central to the philosophical argument the show makes, which is that: No matter what happens, if determinism/fate is true and free will is an illusion, we are stuck in an eternally absurd loop of unfulfilled desire, literally what happens in Dark.
@@byronwilliams7977 Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
I binged this a few weeks ago. The mental gymnastics became addictive. Didn't dawn on me till I watched other TV shows. This really is the show that deserves masterpiece and explanation videos. The ending is amazing. It's done something that hasn't been done before not for me at least. That's how great it is. Great video. 😊love the way the gun travels through time and a prop has a journey that level of writing is sublime.
"Think of the million random choices that you make--and yet how each and everyone of them brings you closer to your destiny. Do you know why that is? Because it's not random. It's not chance. It's a plan that is playing itself out perfectly. Free will is an illusion." I don't know why but I think about this quote every single time I rewatch an episode of Dark. The final scene, when Hannah says that she'd love to call her son Jonas was so heartbreaking and meaningful: did they really break the loop or they just created a new one? A different one? (Do we live in a loop as well?)
If one were to know preciesly to which Events every single Choice would lead him and how everything is connected, that one would posess the knowledge to influence everything, every just so smal detail, in a way that everything would turn out exactly as he likes it to. Knowledge is Power and if you knew the outcome of every possible thing you could do, then you could rule the World, you would be a God, able to avoid every kind of accident that would kill you, forsee every assasination attempt on you, you could cheat death by having all the Data!
But isn’t death inevitable? Won’t there be death lurking at the end for every possible series of choices we make? In the sense that death is the full stop to all life no matter what we try We might avoid accidental death but what about death originating from us? A person will die because of old age at some point or another right?
I have to just remind you that death is abstract point that we can´t really comprehend. From some cultures we know its finish of all doing from others its only a start. You cant really tell which is which, coz non of us did really experienced that. And thats what its so amousing about death.
Now that you said about that diner scene.. There is actually one question that I had in mind, and I really need someone to answer this.. In the last episode, the remaining people that actually exist are gather for diner, oddly enough for me, Katharina is also there. My question is.. Of course Katharina doesn't born from the loop, but shouldn't she be exist because Hannah is not going to the past so she doesn't met Katharina's mother? I mean, I always think the reason why Katharina born is because her mother chose to not get an abortion and change her mind after she met Katharina a.k.a real Hannah who travel back to past. Name "Katharina" itself was actually coming from the loop right? EXCEPT.. there is another loop created, and the end episode where remaining people had diner, is not original universe, but another universe that had been created OR.. I'm just dumb and there I missed something, so I should watch the entire series again lol
We yearn to understand the mysteries of life and existence! Some understand more than others, and they use their art to guide us. Be fascinated and follow your path...
for me its crazy i meet a guy in an old Counter Strike version and on a 30 people server we were talking about Dark , he said and i agree "Dark is in his own league"
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise. yes it may possible that quantum immortality concept of quantum physics can exist in real we just don't know that we are immortal and we will be become our Ulternate version of Scrodinger cat experiment, as Jonas felt something when he first read the letter of Martha, because he knows then only that The lines he said to real Martha can't be known by the Martha of other world. So it may be all version of all characters were past and future life of each other. And that is why he became Adam from Jonas. There is also a hint given in episode 5 of season 2 that in staring scene Middle Jonas dreamed where he is with Teenage Martha on bed and then suddenly Martha belly Ejects black liquid and that was their son, the origin, he was shocked because Adult jonas never goes to Martha for intercourse on bed , but because in true sense he goes to Martha world and died and reincarnated in alternate version. And this song just was playing during Stranger Jonas was on work, indicating that he is done dying
This show was so good, I really started to think it was needlessly convoluted towards the end but then it wrapped it all up so well that I couldn't help but admit this is one of the best shows of all time. What a momentous effort writing this must have been. They got once in a lifetime acting performances from nearly every cast member, the score is chilling and unforgettable, each shot feels impossibly curated as if each scene was inspired by an existing painting. This is an absolute monster of a drama and everyone should watch it.
12:00-13:35. Jesus, it's just so damn heart rending. Never knew there was a term for this feeling and always assumed it was associated with nostalgia in some way. I think for me, this is why Dark was so powerful.
reminds me of the scene in interstellar where matthew mcconaughey is watching his kids after years went by on earth, they grew up and he missed so much of their lives, and for him just 1 hour passed in the orbit. thats exact the same feeling and one of the most powerful scenes in cinematic history.
2:00 "And so i've asked the animal: don't you wanna tell me about your being? And the animal wanted to answer, but straight away forgot the answer. So the animal exist only in present and without memory or will." Friedrich Nitzsche
Insanely beautiful analysis. I finished watching this show years ago, yet it remained my favorite show of all time till this day. (Can't express how happy I was when you ended the video by manifesting the "Dasein" feeling). Will definitely share this video with some of my friends.
I finished a few hours ago and what a goddamn ride this was. I don't think I ever kept the ENTIRE family tree in my mind. I would update it every time a change was made to it by a character who traveled forward or back, but I wouldn't think about every single connection made. That was... too much for me, tbh, although I am glad that such maps exist online (even on the official website haha).
why do i find this just NOW, almost two years after finishing the 3rd season?! this video is great, it shows a lot of the philosophic questions in dark and i love the corresponding video clips!
The content is worth of every praise of course, but I wanted to mention something else. I noticed within you narration two phrases from Dark soundtrack songs, "Quiet life" and "Somehow, somewhen" (which, for people who do not know German, would be English translation of 1st and 3rd word from Nena's "Irgendwie, iregendwo, irgendwann") - and there may be more that I missed. I can't believe this is an accident, at the very least you would have to do it unconsciously, but I very much doubt this. I think you did it on purpose, little symbols left there for an watchful ear in true style of Dark itself, what a unity of form and content this would be. If this is indeed the case, it's PURE MASTERY.
Amaizing show. Thanks for the video, it helped me go even deeper into philosophy behind Dark. Budists call this cylce samsara. Endless cylce of birth, life and death, again and again. Because of attachment, desire and karma, we are making the same decisions again and again, and produce the same karma (fate). They say that only when we escape samsara, we can be free. They did that at the end❤
I love this video, but I disagree that Helge knew he couldn't change his fate but tried anyway. He had dementia, afterall. He might have legitimately thought that he could change things, not being able to reason through it like a man with a sound mind could have. I think he died thinking he was actually changing things.
I'm doing my thesis on Heidegger, so absolutely I was excited to see you apply his philosophy to my favorite tv show. I'd been thinking about Heidegger a lot while watching the show (e.g., one more simple example, the show's repeated line that "What we know is a drop; what we don't know, an ocean." That's very much Heidegger's contention in Origin of the Work of Art, that what discloses itself to us is meaningful is bound around the edges by a vast sense of unknown "earth").
@@harshr1831 Michael Inwood's "A Very Short Introduction to Heidegger" works well as an introduction. Hubert Dreyfus is another name to mention: his readings of Heidegger are not just highly influential in English scholarship, but he really tries to make Heidegger as clear as possible without sacrificing any depth.
This is brilliant. But i MUST tell you all the Truth. Jesus Christ is the Truth. You dont have to fear death. You can have eternal life and purpose in this existing life a until He ends this age and infinitly more after. Please believe me, though I know you cant. There is no free will. Only the sheep hear the voice of the One. If you like this showx please read the Bible and ask for the Spirit and understanding. Im gonna get ridicule, but its worth it if even one of you hears and receives. ❤
After completing all 3 seasons and watching dogens of videos related to Dark.... I am feeling satisfied......but just one thing which is still hitting my mind is... We know Bcz of Tannahaus, these two words were created (physics and chemistry laws made them, right?). But what decides the character's fate there. Who or what decides that Ulrich will get stuck in 50s, who or what decides that Katharina will go to 80s and eventually die there. How can this so big jumbling of characters and their families take Place without any upper Power. If you are saying time did it all...then bro....This series is making time a lot more than we can imagine it. I don't want theories...I want answer?????
I think it's like this: actions of people are no different than objects move in spacetime. As such they are governed by the laws of physics/cause and effect. Just like an apple will follow the same path every time it drops from a tree if you would turn back time, so will a human act the same every time. When Adam talks to Jonas he describes how the conversation went exactly as he remembered. The same happens with Claudia who talks to a younger version of herself and can exactly predict what will happen in the room next to them. The world of Dark seems a determenistic world, with as only exception the moment that time stands still, which is the only 'time' at which people can make an actual choice/difference. All the other times people's actions and decisions are compelled by what happened before. I don't know if this is caused by the idea that a time loop requires a deterministic path, or that the idea is that the world is deterministic in general.
sounds like an extreamly depressing series. acting like we have no choice in our own fate. interesting but yeah seems a downer. i tend to lately try to have some hope in life that its not all meaningless that its worth something and that we CAN have our desires if we just let go of our fear.
Male versus female? I think there is some significance in the fact that Adam, a man, seeks for death to end the cycle of suffering and Eva, a woman who can bring forth life, strives for life to continue without end, regardless of the suffering.
the end makes me think of the destruction of the wheel of samsara, eastern philosophy, essentially a sort of enlightenment or peace and trandcendance of this reality
I originally watched the show dubbed, but now watching this and seeing Ulrich say the qoute from the Kreator song which is in English, makes the scenes with Egon that much better, him thinking about it as some foreign parable.
This video is so underrated. This is exactly why I called in love with this show. It manages to stay consistent withits philosophical background, and the finale truly bearks my heart.
And honestly, I felt so touched by those unnamed sences that you come across you life. When you fell in love you feel ... like you know this person for million years before, and it's almost like you feel them not the first time, but once more after a loss, and it is the nostalgia coming back at your for what is only about to happen (done beautifully in Arrival, by the way, and I was blessed to feel this once myself). Of pain, no, almost suffer of letting go. Or this sense of inevitability. Or deja vu. Or this nostalgia that you feel for the simpler times, like you know that the pain that happened shaped you, and you don't wish to come back to naiveness, but still long for the time when you had the world in the palm of your hand. Or how it feels to sacrifice something. They managed to convey so many nuanced emotions and portray them so beautifully...
Thanks for this video summary, I just finished watching the last episode last night and am still mulling it over…this series is true art and took me on a rollercoaster of emotions and realisations. I now know I’ll have to watch it all again sometime with the benefit of hindsight. Profound, moving and thought provoking.
19:33 great question, try the fruit of the tree of life (houma/ayahuasca blends used for thousands of thousands of years &/or meditate a bunch for the endogenous DMT you produce) to find out! youre whalecum for the suggestion btw if you do try those in a safe way and develop peace of mind.
