The Philosophy of GHOST IN THE SHELL - Wisecrack Edition 

Maniac3020 same here! Not nearly as intellectually evocative but still pretty awesome is the directors first film Angels Egg, which is free on RU-vid I think

yep

It happened to me right while seeing Akira for the first time this afternoon. I had to stop it halfway for an hour because it was overwhelming. The philosophical, ethical, and political questions whose answers we will be facing right now in this era of war, are very unsettling. More than ever, we must not give any right we have for granted.

So you love thinking, huh? 🗿

Why? It's not even within our lifetime.

Mr.DunkelBerry it is much closer than you thought actually,brain computer interface will appear within 20 years and strong AI in 50.

You don't know what the word "literally" means, do you?

Whoa, I never realized how close it is.

lmv92x I'll just refer you to 12:06 so maybe you get it. That's me after watching the video, is that literal enough for you? But since you clearly can't grasp the concept of exaggeration I'll assure you that I'm OK that my head didn't LITERARY explode but it pretty much felt like it. Is that better Mr. Fun-At-Parties?

Also evolution, nationalism, racial segregation, nurture, technology and human interaction.

I personally believe this line also link to Buddhism idea of "all is empty", a part of it believes you can further your point of view when you realize you are not you, but a vessel. self identity is a anchor, it insures who you are, and stops you from becoming something else (for better or worse).

I believe what VytenisR1 was saying is that for there are no mutation in gene, which is a sudden and accidental break away from what the organism were, there won't be evolution; nationalism is a form of not willing to adapt and change from the original state of a country. and I believe you can apply similar logic the the rest of his list

That's what hindusim holy book says, soul changes bodies like bodies changes clothes after you die you change yourself. What christians disagree on

Felix Kovac the difference is, Nietzsche didn't believe in progress. Time isn't a line, but flat circle. But a lot of things Nietzsche learned from Hegel anyway, it's can't still be considered as synthesis of Schopenhauer and Hegel, but it's a thing very similar to.

I like how you expressed this. Speakers like Brendan Bruchard and Simon Sinik talk about “leaders eating last” and how “it’s lonely at the top” is a false self imposed relationship to have with ones employees, so some leaders try to change this (maybe related to the Christian idea “servant leaders” or leading by supporting your team). Meanwhile Douglas Ruffkoff works with the super rich who are preparing for collapse rather than reinvesting into the systems they exploited and are asking him for advise about how to keep their worker-slaves-body guards in line should that happen. That CEO who took a pay cut to pay all employees at least $75k/year who doesn’t regret it and has better relationships now is an example of abandoning this problem you described. Surely being so super rich you’re emotionally impoverished it isn’t worth it or valuable to the guy at the top either... we’ve evolved over millions of years needing supportive relationships to survive, and probably ultimately need them more than abstractions like coin.

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Jim Hawkins 3,2,1 Let's Jam!

Jim Hawkins that Seatbelts album was GREAT!

Spike is Diogenes school of cynical though with a mix of Bruce Lee's utilitarianism thought. Jet is Platonic Faye is Hedonism as Anton LaVey might advocate with a bit of Nietzche Ed is at first seemingly an anarchist but I think she leans more towards a Neo-Stoic since she doesn't allow anything to bother her.

Jim Hawkins or Samurai Champloo

Hey # wisecrack I have some recommendations for Wisecrack Edition. The Philosophy of Apocalypse Now The Wire Cowboy Bebop Metal Gear Solid Spec Ops The Line Naoki Urasawa's Monster No Country For Old Men Moral Orel Trigun Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex

Buenomars Your avatar doesn't appear to disprove. ;P

Buenomars lol

As an anime fan I was offended by their "need" to dumb it down AND by how they used the Naruto material. Yikes 😒

The concepts weren't anywhere near as confusing as they were made out to be.

Its a good intro to thinking about it even if it is too damn short

MymindisaMaze I had this same first impression. Many viewings later, with also watching the live action film, I feel that the original anime, while seemingly unbalanced and short, is also an ideal density of super awesome information packed into almost every minute of its running time. Also its incompleteness invites you to imagine forward for yourself.

it isn't done. they are still making new series all the time

same, also felt the same way with akira i wish the story and world were fleshed out more

I highly recommend Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex, the original TV series (not the remake on Netflix). Personally I enjoyed it more than the film. It explores a lot more philosophical ideas and let's you be emersed in that world more. The only disclaimer I give is that if you watch the English dubbed version, be prepared to be a little annoyed by the voices of these robots known as tachkomas. You get used to them and they serve a deeper purpose in the story later.

Did you watch dub or sub? I initially watched the dub and felt wanting more. The sub wraps it up a little better IMO.

James Flaum It's mostly Rick and Morty, and that series is shit so no.

teamstarpug why do you hate rick and morty? I like it but think it's a bit overhyped

Finn Chambers It's extremely over rated. The fanbase is cancerous, and it just isn't funny or smart.

philosophy of "philosophy of" incoming

It's so sad when people bash a good show just because it's popular

leave it be

I was thinking this while watch this video. The bad voice acting does have a charm to it though...but overall I think many lines could be re-written and voiced by better voice actors. Soooo basically this will have to be done by some renegade fans that aren't afraid to get the pants sued.

current english dub isn't really good either though

The japanese audio is fine. Just watch it with subtitles.

@@Projeckt Are you kidding? Localization at that time was horrendous. The dub was terrible.

'... for sponsoring this video and supporting us...' Ergo giving us extra money and edge to allow us to spend more time on research and doing other stuff. Admittedly the first part of the sentence does sound a bit funny however there's method to this madness. Comparison at the end of the movie however simple does makes sense.

kyrudo "xD" Fuck off, kid.

kyrudo and what exactly is "phylosofically"? The word "philosophy " is in the title of the video. How did you manage to misspell it?

"Ghost In The Shell is probably one of the most philosophically complex animated films out there, so a big shout out to Naruto Online -for sponsoring this video and supporting us as we tackle this cultural milestone-".

Swiggity Swoon YES YES

the great 2-hour long special

only do the last part

It makes no sense - Here, that's everything you need to know ;)

Well, Do a study on "Existentialism". Will able to interpret it more clearly, Peace.

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It's surrealism. They've always stated it to be so.

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Yes

Deshmukh Adhikari Next up is Monty python, followed by Get out and Always sunny in Philadelphia. The fact that this blew up right before they released a python episode makes you look like a plant, or hack fraud.

Kotor 2 is the reason why I understand the way the force works much more now. Also was the first to introduce me to metaphysical concepts that I actually took seriously.

Oh I've watched them both a few times. I just love how wisecrack handles material

i second that

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Trevor St. Pierre there are those that have done it way better than wisecrack ever could. Look for those

who the hell is thode?

That's an interesting point! I didn't even think about how the fact that he has sentience and self-consciousness gives him an identity. Maybe even though the robot has sentience and self-consciousness... as a robot with programming, he is a determined being. And therefore, he may have an identity, but he does not have the ability to construct his _own_ identity. Merging with the major allows him to take on the experiences and unique desires of a free person. Thus, he is maybe made a more authentic being.

the problem with that reasoning is assuming that humans are not determined in similar ways to those programmed machines or robots are (after all, we are machines as well); it is also problematic and controversial in philosophy and science to assume that determinism is incompatible with free will (maybe it's not)

Together with its movie, end of evangelion

oh, Hell yes! I'll show myself out :/

the philosophy is pretty obvious its just chalk full of biblical references

miguel No it's not you dumbass, biblical references are just there because the creators found them 'cool', the real leyers of the plot and characters are too much deep for your dumb mind.

It has the vocabulary of a Bible but it's philosophy is more in line with Sigmund Freud or Conspiracy Theory.

note: you guys are great! Sure, most of the time I do find issues with your analysis but I watch your videos because I enjoy them and I find that your perspective gives me a different one more often than not.

Major actually had a problem with her own identity, as she became unable to tell whether she is real or programmed, or at least scared at the prospect. This was started by the confrontation with both brainwashed victims of the Puppetmaster. But she clearly stated that what defines her as a person simply consists of collection of her memories - the scene after the diving. And she witnessed that it all can go away with ghost hacking. That is an identity crisis beyond our current understanding. Would i be myself wheni lose part of all my memories? Will I be myself when i gain new ones? The answer to those questions is actually "No", but we have still memory of the past which helps us to recognize string of events and recall our past "self". If those memories are lost? Yet at the beginning of the movie is indicated that she despite her work as a police officer, uses the connection to the network simpy to watch world around her. In 1995 it was just a science fiction, now almost everyone on the planet know what is and how to use internet, while some people are capable and willing to study absolutely everything in attempt to know themselves better. The Puppetmaster, even when a program, had similar purpose before he gained conscience, thats why it perceived Major as a "reflection". Now is it just a logical comparation, or an emotion? And is there actually a difference, as Project 2501 was still incomplete? Image of human being is in the GitS moved into the "Shell". This image is demonstrated to be "perishable" (or ever changing) without actual damage to the body. Image of a artifical being or artifical consciousness is manifested via Project 2501. Even when both concepts are still fictional, they are put on the same level as its said that what defined them are memories or information gathered over course of their existence.

Neuroticmancer Hegel's dialectic doesn't deal with evolution. This is philosophy, not biology. They would have no need to talk about evolution.

Cody Ostrander I'm aware this is philosophy not biology. I was just pointing out how this Philosophy has grounds in biological fact. I think that gives Hegel's dialectics another dimension to discuss

If philosophy does not remain true on the real world. What use we have for it?. The main issue whit his this ideas is that establishes values of superiority by arbitrary standards. thus making this whole thing a great exercise of futility and incomplete ideas. Now the real step to even accept any of this as remotely true is to evaluate his value system, by comparing to different scenarios.

+Cody Ostrander certainly this is about philosophy but that doesn't mean parallels don't exist. Also philosophy deals in abstract ideas but these ideas must have some concrete basis in our reality otherwise they serve us no purpose

Not if shes seen the movie too.

Eva has a lot of hegel too

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Pedro Paulo Faria just get in the fucking Mecha

Depression lol

Who cares how smart you are when you get to tap Hinata's booty on a regular basis.

Naruto is smart in other ways. There isn't only 1 kind of intelligence

In the "punch people" ways?

That doesn't make Naruto a complex show...

Overwatch Clips The story of shippuden is complex a little.

ya wtf

Sponsors wanted him to include it, so he found a way to include it. It's not exactly a mystery.

Hooooo-ee! The past sure does come back to haunt you, folks! Everything you do has consequences down the line! Hooooooooo-ee!

thus dude... read thus pls guys

Or a Philosophy of Nier Automata!

I love metal gear but I don't think it has a singular message to teach, and plenty of its messages are very on the nose. But sure, I totally watch any and every MGS video they feel like doing.

Bato

he said batuu lmao

Everybody Lies.

sponsers gotta sponse. bills gotta pay.

Thesis and anti-thesis. Embrace the synthesis

@@themexis eh... you are free to choose sponsors that don't want to mangle your video. The pay might be less, but better quality videos bring in more income anyways. This selling out left just a bad taste after a good video.

@@benzur3503 That view is flawed and unfounded. Yes, a conflict can lead to evolution, but that 1 time verses the 10 times it doesn't means there's a lot of ignorance and blind belief. I have logical debates and arguments with one of my neighbours almost every day; that doesn't mean we look for an acceptable median or change each others' opinions in the slightest.

Harry Underwood Harry if neither of your opinion’s change about the truth value of any statement, can you find the root causes of your disagreements? Otherwise being stuck in a point of no change it’s not a real debate. Finding what amongst your opinions has in common with each other will allow you both to see what might be fundamental and what contingental out of your core arguments. The synthesis is not an entirely new form of knowledge obtained like arithmetic but rather a more tuned and multifaceted view on the subject of discussion that gives better understanding of the topics. The view expressed in this video is reductive, but it holds a facet of the pursuit of truth and meaning. Mistaking that you’ve achieved absolute truth and thus not listening to any possible change negates your possibility of understanding change. Also I still haven’t read more than a line of actual Hegelian writings and might return to this comment thread in a year or two after I’ve gathered the sufficient background to comprehend at least the prelude to the phenomenology of spirit. Will probably have a different view altogether, but will be curious to find the commonality between the new and the old

Especially the sentence : "Ghost in the shell is one of the most philosophically complex anime out there, so big shout out to Naruto" Made me think that he was saying that Naruto was also one of the most philosophically complex anime...

a sponsor is a sponsor. wouldnt you want your game sitting next to a movie like gits?

That was for the sponsor not to do with ghost in the shell that much

I stopped before the |Naruto thing, I guess you need to simplify shit for dumb people, just like the adaptation of the live-action

zdulcun boo fckng who deal with it

Yeah, I noticed some of that too. She also mentioned wanting to have children, and well, the puppet mastered decided for her what was best for her. This is the first time I've ever seen the movie, so my first question was trying to figure out where are all the humans and the movie answered that somewhat... But I wish it was answered more clear cut, like they no longer refer to humans as "humans", but rather as "ghosts", like the idea of humans existing as a mere "ghost" in a cyber "shell" is putting humanity up high or something...(I would have to beg to differ, but that's neither here nor there). I think the thing that I'm scratching my head the most on is how can there not be any humans would be like "No, it sounds nice, but I like not having any cyber-enhancements". The philosophy of the movie does seem to be very heavily influenced in gnosticism (flesh bad, spirit good), or as they put it (Flesh nothing, spirit everything). And I'm just now realizing this, but I think the Puppet Master just wifed her....he wanted to "merge", and have "offspring" and well, it's a permanent union between them both, and a lot of this "chemistry" fits with their idea of the "soulmate". THat's just my take, I know your comment is 3 years old, I hope you don't mind that it got some attention.

It's not terrible voice acting, Major is a cyborg, she doesn't blink and of course that her voice is gonna sound robotic and monotone, same as google translate women voice for example.

@@tamaramarkovic5939 It doesn’t sound robotic. It just sounds like bad voice acting.

@@Sefoskiii It sounds fine, nowhere near as bad as people are trying to make it.

@@Sefoskiii Nah it's not bad. Just too monotone coming from the major. Everyone else sounds great.

The Japanese voice acting is way better. The English just feels emotionless and not on purpose.

Or Paranoid agent?

the master isn't becoming better, just wealthier, what you're getting at is dialectical materialism, I suggest you read Marx, since his work is heavily inspired from that of Hegel

But I get what Josh is saying. While the workers are becoming better skiled at the manufacture of the product that makes apple rich and therefore becomes the master of that technology, for all intents and purposes. But Tim Cook is becoming more skilled at keeping his worksforce subject through restrictive compensation, media manipulation, business acumen and strategy. In other words, the workers are diminished without Cook and Cook is diminished without the workforce.But the workforce, in this situation, one would expect that the workforce, should be able to exert influence to garner more balanced conditions, but Cook is in a position of greater influence. While cook has more to lose, he has more resources to absorb some degree of loss before having to relent in his approach. The workforce however, is in such terrible circumstances, that even the prospect of "upsetting the apple cart" is very dangerous. Thus the workforce is kept down, not so much that they feel they have no recourse but to rise up, but just enough that they are too fearful to speak out. The Cooks of the world have become very adept at using every skill humanly available to them, to maintain this situation. And we are complicit :/

I would say the situation in current era, we are specialized, thus there are no more real master at individual level, what I mean is when you look at Apple as a totality, there may have a master/slave situation, but when you zoom in on each individual in this system, the workers are only specialized on one step of the entire assembly line, the people who worked at factory management only gain experience in how to manage over-worked labors, even the higher up like CEO of the company are only getting more skillful in managing and directing the system, technically no one sits back and get rich without doing anything except the concept of the company itself, which in reality cannot make any decision, if you come to the conclusion of the system is the true master and we people as slave of it should fight, then you got communism, and I would say our current situation is slowly going the other way which we are merging, we are becoming what we are working for, people who worked for Apple are becoming Apple, by this I mean they are slowly becoming the persona of the company, which is basically what company culture is.

+forsakedsorrow Yeah, I get ya. Pity communism doesn't work and same really can be said about laissez faire capitalism. Corporatism is, quite frankly, an awful road to take. So I'm stumped.

Josh Nyce no actually, you in an ironic way kind of enforced it, as in you provided an antitheisis/slave, so you in way are providing a counter argument to hegel's argument, the master/slave way of explaining it is simplistic.

Oh now I get it, just watch till the end.

i assume giving weeabos a helping hand.

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Dudes need to make a living, so if they're getting sponsored more power to 'em. Does us no harm. Besides, who knows. Maybe they'll be sponsored by something that you end up buying and enjoying thereby profiting by their profits in addition to the additional content they'll be able to work on with an increased budget.

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I forgot neon genesis evangelion

Eva is overdone

Then how about madoka magika

I don't know, Death Note disappointed me. It had so much potential, and then it was just chlichee.

While I wasn't the biggest fan of Psycho Pass, I think that is a VERY good candidate for a philosophy of video.

Been trying to meet you

Franck Terry mmm hmm hmm hmm hmm

What philosophy is there?

Code Geass' philosophy is based around Darwinism and Machiavelianism.

Thomas Park Have you even seen the show?

The Morality of Zero, Suzaku vs Lelouch - how to change the system, definition of power/ruler, different ideas represented by each Britannia royal family member, ... im sure you could find more

M12GProductions yes

Hey man I know this is 2 years later but I'm a huge GITS fan and I've been trying to figure out what 2501 refers to since years. Why do you think it references that?

keremcantarhan hey man I know this is 6 months later but I think OP was thinking of 24601, which is Val Jeans prisoner number before he’s freed. It reoccurs a lot in Les Mis but as far as I remember 2501 doesn’t appear in Les Mis at all.