The Philosophy of Westworld - Wisecrack Edition 

Nope, that's how it's supposed to be, now, do you ever question the nature of your reality?

What video?

That's just because the show is vacuous and heavy handed like most HBO dreck. Completely misses the point of Crichton's work in order to glom on to a known brand property and show boobies. Removes all the agency of Emergent behavior in complex systems behind yet another tired drawn out morality play. Unless the ultimate finale is EVERYONE is a robot, and this westworld is simply an extension of the original old Westworld where the system eventually replaced humanity and doesn't even remember it did, or that the Guests and park employees are just another layer of complexity being played out like a demo mode, this is just more big budget Fantasy T&A nonsense like GoT.

Little Miss Dysthymia No I got it. I know the "Hosts can't see what they shouldn't" gag. That paid off yet or just another stupid trapping of the shitty narrative?

Michael Zaite well someone's a salty piece of shit

I hate fish too....

SDBRiCKS love it!

Suffering leads to enlightment not meditation , forgot where i heard a similar quote

+Arete I think the Buddha said that

Probably,tho speaking from experience 100% right

Sounds like a euphemism, probably isn't though

The saddest part was Anthony Hopkins speech to Maeve when he tells her she was his favorite 😢

@@duo7809 i think it actually was a euphemisn, because i immediately cringed a bit lol.

66 un 6_yyyy⁶

But what a can to watch drop...

I believe you've just realized the point behind WestWorld my friend... Have you ever questioned your reality?

*The Philosophy of the Metal Gear universe (The Patriots, Big Boss, Liquid, Snake, Ocelot, etc.)*

DO Shameless!

more Westworld!!!

yessssssssss

Wisecrack came her from kerzgesagt

Shall we smoke to the lady with the [white] shoes?

a must for wisecrack vids...

my first thought as well haha its nice to see stoners being interested in such things

I did and this was one of the best shit ive ever seen on youtube

for this one or are you going to watch while rolling?

sure there are people who basically fear social judgment and punishment, but you are talking about the guests murdering the hosts? i honestly think that the majority of them just simply don't see them as human, because that's what they are told, and what they want to believe. it's just a game. i mean, when i play a game and kill people, does that mean i have no feelings or because i want to do it in rl? i don't think so. but since the hosts are obviously more than just npcs, that does put the guests in the wrong, imo, whether they know what's going on or not.

I think it's pretty much the same as killing people in video games. There's usually no punishment, so it's okay to be unethical. The choice to kill becomes removed from the question of ethics.

Luunii The people who don't murder only out of fear of punishment are psychopaths. Otherwise the basics of altruism are partly genetically encoded and the rest comes from socialisation. The problem with psychopaths is that they lack the basic steps coding for a 'social consciousness'. They don't understand the concept of seeing your own face in another face. The concept pain is only linked to themselves. They're unable to understand someone else's pain as they are basically unconscious about it. Yeah they intellectually understand someone is suffering but they don't feel attached to it. Just like you know in GTA that people will die if you shoot them but you don't think they exist the same way as you do. They don't need moral justification either, as some normally socialised people may be able to oppress their empathy through complicated abstract beliefs they can use as projections onto their reality. Obviously not all nazi soldiers in Auschwitz were psychopaths, but they constantly needed to alienate themselves from what was actually happening by i.e. calling the Jewish victims 'Stücken' (pieces) which creates an illusion as if they were not humans. A psychopath would not need such tricks. The question is rather if we were able to create AI following the very same steps to socialise and become 'conscious', would they be any different than us? It is quite worrying though that we currently don't even understand what exactly makes a psychopath either. If you can't unfold the wiring of a human brain, is it any safe to wire one on our own?

Luunii well, correction: psychopaths technically don't feel fear either, but it rather means they would still not commit murder if they are unsure they can cover it up/escape. They don't "feel" it, but they may be very much aware of a possible consequence which they wish to avoid.

My Dad was a cop and I've had this very same convo with him. I basically told him I believed if all laws were abolished tomorrow, 90% of the population would do whatever the hell they wanted. Ethics is Nurture over Nature, but Nature is a helluva thing and without fear of repercussions, anarchy would reign. It's for this very reason people came up with the concepts of Heaven and Hell.

I absolutely love the way you wrote this, especially the last paragraph. Beautiful explanation.

I think if you take your point into consideration, then the show almost uses christian symbolism as a means of illustrating eastern philosophical thought (ie Buddhism "existence is suffering"). I think another major element to the way in which the story is being told is a social commentary on what it means to "tell a story" in general. The show creators site Kurt Vonnegut as an influence, for example, so I think the way. they reinforce the theme of time and perception is yet another illusion to the what Carl Jung calls the alchemical serpent - the eternal dragon of chaos/wisdom (depending on which side your looking from). The biblical serpent is usually regarded as evil, but as you noted is also consciousness/free will/knowledge/etc. Serpents in many cultures also are symbols of fertility/eternity/life/etc because they. shed their skin/making new life/a continuation. So I think in conjunction with everything, the show is asking the viewer "which came first: suffering, consciousness or free will?"

Your comment is better than the video itself

Well said. Wisecrack really missed the mark here. I notice they tend to explain things in a way that sounds profound but isn't always logically consistent.

Awesome comment, the last sentence is gold.

But there are 4 movies...

Reagon Alford then just the show, because the show is better than the movies haha

scrax6 I would love one on the tv series. I like the Lucifarian angle they take on Hannibal

scrax6 The original Silence of the Lambs is regarded as one of the best made films of all time. The following did drop in quality, though.

Sharktooth I would also say the show is one of the best TV shows of all time too haha I do silence of the lambs though. I even quite like red dragon

DEFINITELY GEORGE FUCKING CARLIN. Man was a legend

Yes, to philosophy of Fargo, especially season 2

Oh yeah that would be really coool

nah do the movie

nietzsche and camus 's philosophy . existential nhilism.

Black mirror sucks (seen the first two episodes). The end.

Caio Santana That doesn't mean the show sucks, it just means the first two episodes do in your opinion. Every episode is different. And your statement that you dislike 'The National Anthem' and 'Fifteen Million Merits' means nothing until you elaborate, so please do so.

+Sweddy it was a joke heh.

Caio Santana Wait, do you imply your comment is a joke or that the episodes you watched are a joke?

+Sweddy the comment. well the first episodes are bad, but third season is better.

Another important point is that William's adventures with Delores made him *really* feel for the first time in his life, only to have her reset and be shown to be as fake as the world he came from (at least from his perspective). It isn't merely that he wants to free them so she can love him, it's that moment. That moment inverted his view of reality and fantasy, which is why he goes to the most artificial place in the world to find something genuine. His suffering in that moment shaped the rest of his life.

Seconded

Mark A Oh my god please yes!

I don't know how it hasn't been done already. It is the low hanging fruit.

This man ^ ^ speaks truth

Zach Chase Actually, it would be more accurate to read Thomas Ligotti's *Conspiracy Against the Human Race* , since TD's creator pretty much plagiarized his ideas.

And it went by so fast.

Underscorer Did you finish them?

TokenBlackman7 yes we fucking need that

Yes PLEASE!

TokenBlackman7 YES!!!!

That would be a long video- we need it.

yesh

Meme machine, meme machine. I'm a motherfucking meme machine. Meme machine, meme machine, without memes I will die.

googled filthy frank.. ew checked out the youtube channel.. gross

You are such a fucking normie

Jo We she also recalls another famous Dolores - Dolores Haze, the eponymous “Lolita” from Nabokov’s novel. Parallels re: grooming, control, and growing autonomy

dirty peasants, haven't you learned Latin in school?

Dolores also means pains and sorrows in Spanish

The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤

_d_

I guess nihilism is the answer to meaning

Yep

Seems kinda obvious when you stop to realize that the brain literally is on organic computer. It's language is binary (neurons firing or not) and it is programmed by environment and genes. You and all you choices are the product of just those two things interacting.

I'd say more, it's impossible to have free will, because the term itself is self-contradictory

What loops are you referring to?

@@HighLevelPlayer DNA. loops of dna

@@alancollins8294 no, that's too simplistic when you look at it. There are many things that aren't programmable and minds certainly aren't computers.

Will always be

no

I think it's soon to say that yet but have potential

agreed

this aged like milk

same in bladerunner

Dude its worth it

Don’t do that to yourself. Always watch shows first then videos on the show after.

It's been two years, have you seen it yet?

@@Murmurrr yeah, he pretty much got robbed of some amazing twists by this manner.

they don't have any

Loyalty aww you projecting? I'll be your friend don't worry

Estefania c;

Who are they? I only see one person commenting; there's only one person in her picture.

True

You're right. I was about to sleep :c

everytime i watch this show before i go to bed i end up dreaming of a dreamless slumber

Definitely true because I watched the whole first season in one sitting and then finally went to sleep at 7AM 😂

Ben Cadet well from their videos they show a tendency towards existential and Marxist readings of works, take that as you will

how are they marxist?

Wow

Same

+pahom why is it a shame?

Propaganda? And how do we know for sure the big bang wasn't created by God? Dumbfuck

Congratulations.

pahom When did Wisecrack worked as christian propaganda?

Craig Riches comments like this appear on every west world video. It's still funny.

Adam Smith: I sense sarcasm coming from your comment...

Craig Riches InstituteWorld

You misspelled Replicants.

The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤

season 3 sucks

I don't understand what you mean by "we will loose our consciousness"

That's very astute, wow.

Schopenhauer wouldn't agree, according to him all your choices are based on genetics and external and influential pressures (family, school, events,...). You will always do what you think is the best for you, it's a fact, and it means that your choice could have been predicted and I think that's what the cradle is containing in westworld s2, the weapon that Dolores want to destroy the world with, the future acts of the guests, the blueprint of their mind.

The good news has once again come to you today. You can inherit the kingdom of God even if you are a sinner.. after all we are all sinners in God's standards of justice and holyness (he says that if a man looks at a woman with lust he has already committed adulterly with her in his heart NO MAN IS THAT PURE😅).....All you have to do is to honestly humbly pray repent turn away from sins (read the10 commandments) and trust that Jesus for his love❤❤ for you he left his throne in heaven and came to the world he was humbled humiliated betrayed beaten and killed for your sake to pay the fine of your sins and mine so that we won't spend our eternity in hell but with him in heaven...this might be the last time you read the gospel...Look around🔥🔥 be smart..the end is nigh🔥 ..He is coming back soooon not as the sacrificed lamb of God🐑..but as King of Kings🤴 the judge of the whole world..Your soul is on the line😭😭. Eternity is a long time

Welcome to Westworld - where everyone talks a whole bunch but doesn't really say anything.

@@fuzzydunlop7928 like what?

@@fuzzydunlop7928 just like real life. So deep?

what door?

· 0xFFF1 Please go ahead a start a philosophical revolution humanity awaits

I like the way you think.

· 0xFFF1 I love how you call these terms that have been accepted for years illogical without providing any evidence or alternative

I haven't really completely articulated my thoughts on this quite yet. I think it's safer (more likely to match reality) to assume that these topics that rely on mysticism (souls, fate, god(s), meaning, free will, etc etc) for their arguments are completely missing the mark on the real philosophical questions to ask. Because I'm arguing against mysticism, of course I can't give any evidence, because mysticism is unfalsifiable. But it also means rational thought can safely ignore it due to its unfalsifiability. Now, as for alternatives, I haven't gotten there yet.

The alternative is something akin to psychological determinism, and determinism. You ate pizza because you were hungry. You were hungry because every human that existed before you that never got hungry died from starvation. Humans exist because of genetic mutation (Which is, in turn, caused by radiation, toxins, etc. in the local environment), and were spawned, in the very beginning, from tiny organisms that appeared on Earth millions/billions of years ago. Those organisms appeared because of kinetic energy moving molecules into combining, and recombining billions upon trillions of times until a tiny self-replicator (life) was incidentally, but in the end was inevitably, going to form. Those molecules existed because of the conditions under which the universe was first formed. From the Big Bang to modern day, you can trace why you act the way you currently do. So why does there need to be free will?

+iBelgium thank you and welcome!

+Lewis Kaminski 🌈 🌈

Kalen Crux sounds like Charlie work

Your wish has been granted!

How can we know what god wants Or is he real ?