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The Principle of Stationary Action 

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My oft-requested video has finally arrived! In this lesson, I introduce the Principle of Stationary Action to begin my newest series on Analytical Mechanics. The Principle of Stationary Action serves as an exceedingly useful tool to solve higher-level problems in Classical Mechanics as well as in other branches of Physics.
It states that the path a particle follows in space can be determined by setting the action functional stationary; essentially, we can find the particle's path by solving a Calculus of Variations problem. I show that the Principle of Stationary Action is essentially equivalent to applying Newton's 2nd Law, and afterwards, I solve a simple example problem to illustrate the Principle of Stationary Action in action (huehuehue).
More complex versions of the Principle of Stationary Action, in addition to more complex examples, will be solved in future videos in this playlist.
Questions/requests? Let me know in the comments!
Pre-reqs: My Calculus of Variations playlist, until the 7th video - • Calculus of Variations
Lecture Notes: drive.google.com/open?id=1EmI...
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20 май 2018

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@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 6 лет назад
As we near the end of May, we are getting close to the 10000 subscriber milestone. I haven't really celebrated my other milestones (e.g. 1000, 5000 subs) with much fanfare, but I figured that we should change that trend. As a result, I have decided to do a Q and A: you will send me your questions and I will answer them as appropriate! This Q and A shall accomplish a dual purpose: not only will I be able to officially celebrate my milestone, but I will also be able to buy time because just like other RU-vidrs, I'm only doing a Q and A because I've run out of ideas*. So send me your questions, either by twitter, by reddit, by RU-vid comment, or by facebook! *P.S. I haven't actually run out of ideas tho, don't be alarmed.
@ostensiblyquerulous
@ostensiblyquerulous 6 лет назад
Because you have “run out if ideas”: I would like to see more classical dynamics (Hamiltonian + Poisson brackets in particular, collision cross sections, perhaps orbital motion problems), quantum mechanics (computing probabilities, taking various inner products of wave-functions, spin states, total angular momentum, s matrix, etc), thermo (transport coefficients and the Boltzmann equation), and classical electrodynamics (work through a few examples). (I get that you haven’t run out of ideas but I’d love it if you covered these topics eventually).
@nitink9879
@nitink9879 5 лет назад
What does stationary means ?
@Peter_1986
@Peter_1986 5 лет назад
Finally someone who calls it "STATIONARY action". It really bothers me when some people always call it "LEAST action", because it isn't always the path of least action that is chosen.
@nitink9879
@nitink9879 5 лет назад
Sir what does stationary mean.Why the path of least action isn't always chosen. In the video,mentor told that always action is minimum.That means the path of least action is always chosen only wright ?
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 4 года назад
@@nitink9879 Stationary means a function where the action functional is not immediately changing (i.e. the 'derivative' of the action functional 'with respect to functions' is 'zero'). By solving the Euler-Lagrange equation, we don't necessarily know whether the function we're getting is a path of (locally) least action, most action, or 'saddle' action. We just know that it makes the action functional stationary. That's why it's more accurate to say stationary action instead of least action. For more details on what this explanation means, I encourage you to watch my calculus of variations playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PLdgVBOaXkb9CD8igcUr9Fmn5WXLpE8ZE_
@nitink9879
@nitink9879 4 года назад
@@FacultyofKhan Okay sir I will watch . Thank you very much.
@humamalsebai
@humamalsebai 4 года назад
@@leif1075 you have to realize that the path is in the height-time space meaning that the height changes parabolically with time not distance.
@leif1075
@leif1075 4 года назад
@@humamalsebai what do you mean?? Ifnyoubare standong still and throw a ball straight upwards. It will fall. Ack straight downwards...thsts pretty clear and intuitive..not a parabola..unless you mean in sone spacetime hyperboloc geonetry3..is that what you mean..thats not what he said in the video in any case.
@sophie6.
@sophie6. 8 месяцев назад
I have my analytic mechanics mid term tomorrow, can't express how much your videos have helped me. From the bottom of my heart... Thank you
@Gismho
@Gismho 2 года назад
Excellent description as usual. Thank you. Why are ALL you tutorials of such a high standard? Really enjoyable way to learn!
@wargreymon2024
@wargreymon2024 Год назад
Your hand writing is very good, very easy to look at and the explanation is clear
@jonathanzhou3391
@jonathanzhou3391 3 года назад
Thank you sooo much! Stationary action principle has confused me a long long time until today.
@jameswilson8270
@jameswilson8270 6 лет назад
Very good video, thanks
@emmynoether2198
@emmynoether2198 2 года назад
Thanks for the video!
@Jaylooker
@Jaylooker 3 года назад
Being invariant under a change of coordinations sounds a lot like a tensor
@whatitmeans
@whatitmeans Год назад
If instead of using L=Ek-U for defining the action integral S, the alternative function L2=|Ek-U| were used, Does it will lead to the same results or no?
@carlosdelafuente4405
@carlosdelafuente4405 5 лет назад
You have really amazing and understandable videos, i was lucky to have found them. Can you please do more videos about classical-analytical mechanics? I am studying Bachelor of Physics mention in astronomy, and this course is one of the hardest. I'm using the book Classical Mechanics from John Taylor. Greetings from Antofagasta, Chile! Thanks
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 5 лет назад
Glad to help! Thank you for the kind words!
@sagar65265
@sagar65265 3 года назад
Really useful video, thanks for the upload! This series is going to come in pretty handy for my project, so big love already
@AmSofiane
@AmSofiane 3 года назад
You are the best
@ernestschoenmakers8181
@ernestschoenmakers8181 3 месяца назад
Great video but i saw an error where you say that S> Soptm for the small parabola but it must be the other way around.
@cybertronian9909
@cybertronian9909 6 лет назад
Love your vids, I was wondering if which topics you have planned for the future? I'd love if you could cover some tensor calculus.
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 6 лет назад
I have a bunch of requests for many topics that I plan on covering, but yes, tensor calculus is on the horizon. I hope to get to it once my summer break begins (June 1)!
@cybertronian9909
@cybertronian9909 6 лет назад
Nice, thanks!
@joshuama695
@joshuama695 11 месяцев назад
Sorry if this might be obvious, I dont understand why taking derivative of lagrangian with respect to x result equal to force
@jackflash8756
@jackflash8756 4 месяца назад
What does "functional being made stationary by Lagrange Equations" mean? Lost me completely there. So this optimal path is where its Langrangian at specific y position is regarded as 'stationary' compared to the Langrangian for other y values at the same time points? So if I drew a graph of the Langrangian for all other y positions of every other path at certain time point 't' , the graph would show a zero gradient on some 'maximum/minimum/saddle' point at the specific y position that lies on the optimal path? Is this what you mean by 'stationary action'?
@willie5069
@willie5069 5 лет назад
worked through everything with Mathemaitca. Answered my own question below and yes the correct units are Energy Seconds for the action. But what I find interesting is that the derviative of the action with respect to time is then just energy. So when we set this equal to zero we are setting an energy quantity to zero. Now if we were setting the derivative of energy with respect to time equal to zero that would make sense, we would just be showing conservation of total energy. But wait, the derivative of an integral is the original function, which in this case is the Lagrangian. Let's assume then that this is really a variational calculus problem and what we are doing is finding the solution to the Lagrangian that makes the change in the action = 0. Is this correct.
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 5 лет назад
So what we're integrating is the Lagrangian, which is E_k - U (kinetic - potential). While L has units of energy, it doesn't actually represent an energy quantity itself (i.e. it doesn't represent the total energy). Also, we aren't setting the derivative of energy with respect to time equal to zero anywhere; we're using the Lagrange equation to find the optimal particle path, which is more complex than dL/dt = 0. As for your last statement ("what we are doing is finding the solution to the Lagrangian that makes the change in the action = 0"), that is correct. However, setting dS/dt equal to zero to find the optimal path isn't even possible because S doesn't depend on t (the t gets integrated out when you take the integral of L). I think you might benefit from watching my Euler-Lagrange derivation video; it should clear up your confusion: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sFqp2lCEvwM.html
@user-sj2hs5fd6x
@user-sj2hs5fd6x 7 месяцев назад
Can you please suggest some books on asymmetric catenaries ?
@aminmohammadi9308
@aminmohammadi9308 3 года назад
Does this principle just work for conservative force assumption? What happened if we have nonconservative forces?
@xperninshiniplayz9330
@xperninshiniplayz9330 8 месяцев назад
10:13 how did you obtain that quadratic i know how to do it otherwise but i didnt understand what you had done there
@turse8201
@turse8201 2 года назад
For the alternate paths described at 10:40, are you changing the initial conditions of the particle, say increased the initial velocity so that the particle is higher? or is it just manipulating the equation with the same initial conditions to show that the original equation is the path that the particle will take?
@yairgrenade
@yairgrenade Год назад
It's the second thing you said - he showcases how when given certain initial conditions, the particle will follow a path that corresponds to the Stationary Action Principle - in our case, the y equation with 0.5g in it - and not something else, like the y equation with 0.4g in it.
@koktszfung
@koktszfung 5 лет назад
So the action for the path can also be a local maximum? Also that means there are other paths that the action can be the global minimum? Thanks for the great video!
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 4 года назад
Technically yes, it can be the local maximum since Euler-Lagrange doesn't discriminate between the types of stationary functions you might end up with. Usually though, we get the local minimum. And thank you for the kind words!
@avanishpadmakar5897
@avanishpadmakar5897 6 лет назад
So does the principle of least action and principle of least time come out air or is it just a guess from Newton's second law?
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 6 лет назад
Most books that I've seen usually connect the Principle of Least/Stationary Action with Newton's second law, so my suspicion is the latter. I don't think it pops out of thin air.
@ujjalmajumdar618
@ujjalmajumdar618 5 лет назад
Principle of least action does not come out from nowhere. Consider this: T.E.(total energy of a system)=T(kinetic)+U(potential). Now in a conservative force field the total energy of an isolated system shall remain constant. Hence we cannot differentiate it or integrate it. But if we consider the difference between them, T - U, this is a quantity that differs even in a conservative force field, because for every small action dS the particle or system takes, either its T will increase or decrease and so will U. Now for S (the total action) from any point P1 to P2 we would have to add these very small but finite dS and that triggers the word integrate. Setting the integration equal to a local minima or 0 in most cases of Newtonian mechanics we ensure that the "action" that we take is the least. Hence least action principle in a way is a generalization of newtons second law such that it works with any coordinate system. Now the principle of least action can be proved without ever using newtons second law, and what's perhaps even more interesting is for special cases the principle of least action transforms into newtons second law. The proof however would require you to have some knowledge of multivariable calculus and basic calculus. The Euler Lagrange equations can be derived mathematically while finding the shortest distance between two points. We have to take into consideration the infinite paths that a system can take to reach from one point to another and then restrict all those paths such that d/dy(L)-d/dx(d/dy'(L)) equals 0. L here is a functional such that L[y(ē),y'(ē),x] and x is the independent variable, ē is a variable constant that changes distance, y(ē) = y(x) + ēb(x), b(x) is an arbitrary function of x that gives us the direction of the path that is taken.
@maxkho00
@maxkho00 3 года назад
So where does this principle come from? I've seen the derivation of Newton's 2nd Law from POLA a thousand times, but never the other way round, even though I always heard it thrown around that the two are supposed to be equivalent. I've seen attempts to connect the two using the principle of virtual work, but that seems to be an offshoot of POLA, which we are trying to derive, so all such attempts fall firmly within the pitfall of circular logic. Do you have any information on this topic?
@cleon_teunissen
@cleon_teunissen 2 года назад
I have created a resource for the purpose of making Hamilton's stationary action entirely transparent. The connection between Hamilton's stationary action and F=ma is the Work-Energy theorem. As we know, the Work-Energy theorem follows from F=ma, hence the Work-Energy theorem implies F=ma. Hamilton's stationary action and the Work-Energy theorem have the following in common: both express the physics taking place in terms of kinetic and potential energy, and from both F=ma can be recovered. Using the Work-Energy theorem there is a path that starts with F=ma and proceeds to show validity of Hamilton's stationary action. The demonstration is in the form of interactive diagrams; in each diagram the visitor can move one or more sliders, exploring various configurations. localhost/physics/phys256/energy_position_equation.php
@willie5069
@willie5069 5 лет назад
I am attempting to solve the action integral. I find when I integrate your formula I find myself integrating E, the energy, over time which gives me Joules /second. Is this correct and if so how do i interpret this. Also all instructor seem to have this need to leave the student with something to solve. I wonder if anyone has done a peer reviewed study on this method vs just explaining the solution.! I personally think this is the great myth of education.
@MiracleMirror117
@MiracleMirror117 3 года назад
actually it gives you joule*second .
@IqbalHamid
@IqbalHamid 4 года назад
@01:00 The equation for kinetic energy, E(k) does not look correct to me. This is not a vector quantity so you cannot add the components like you would the components of a vector. I would have said E(k) = 0.5m * (((vx)^2 + (vy)^2)^0.5)^2 + (vz)^2)^.0.5 Thus yielding a scalar magnitude for the kinetic energy which depends on the square of the magnitude of the velocity in the direction the particle is actually moving in. Am I right?
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 4 года назад
Thanks for the question, but I don't think you're right. Pretty much every textbook has kinetic energy in 3-D expressed the way I've written it in my video. You add the kinetic energy in the x-direction (0.5*m*vx^2) to the kinetic energy in the y-direction (0.5*m*vy^2) to the kinetic energy in the z-direction (0.5*m*vz^2) to get the total kinetic energy. Your expression doesn't really follow that intuition/logic, and I also think it's in the wrong units because you take the square root of the entire velocity-square expression. Hope that clears up any confusion!
@IqbalHamid
@IqbalHamid 4 года назад
Faculty of Khan I can see now that you are absolutely correct! I forgot to square everything above. When I do, what I have written above, simplifies to give the same equation which you have presented. It makes sense now. Thank you FoK.
@sagarmodak989
@sagarmodak989 5 лет назад
Why the Lagrangian is so important? I mean it is useful to have the sum of the KE and PE,but why do we need the difference of them? And there is something that I wanted to know.In Feynman lectures about this topic,he says that, "...if we go away from the minimum in the first order,the deviation of the function from its minimum value is only second order".I didn't understand this thing,why does it happens in the first place?
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 5 лет назад
The Lagrangian is important mainly because it serves as a mathematical tool that allows us to determine the equations of motion of complex systems. We can use the Lagrangian to reduce our physics problem to an optimization problem; the fact that the Lagrange equation is closely linked with Newton's 2nd Law allows us to do this. As far as I know, the Lagrangian doesn't explicitly have a physical significance as much as it does a mathematical significance (i.e. it doesn't measure anything notable about the system other than KE - PE; the total energy which is KE + PE has far more physical significance on the other hand). Here's an answer on quora which refers to this: www.quora.com/What-is-the-physical-significance-of-Lagrangian As for the Feynman lecture, I'm not sure which one you're referring to so I wouldn't know how to help you there. Nonetheless, I hope this answers your question!
@sriyamadarapu7250
@sriyamadarapu7250 2 года назад
Can someone please explain me how the similarity between Lagrange and Euler Lagrange equations leads to functional being made stationary?😅
@saudyassin5352
@saudyassin5352 2 года назад
Lagrange equations are exactly the Euler-Lagrange equations. They are mathematically equivalent, the difference is only conceptually. For example, Lagrange equations involve the time t and the path [x(t), y(t), z(t)] instead of any other arbitrary variable. Euler-lagrane equations are more general in the sense that the variables could be anything of your choice. They don't necessarily have to involve time and a path. In other words, Lagrange equations are just the Euler-Lagrange equations but for mechanics, thus why the variables are time and path. Now how these equations lead to a functional being stationary (extremized), requires a proof from the calculus of variations. You can prove these equations by either approaching it from a mechanical point of view which involves the Lagrangian (L=T-U) and the action (S). Or from a mathematical point of view that involves a function F(y,y',x) and a functional (I). Either ways you have to introduce a variation of the curve y(x) that extremizes the functional. if we assume that y(x) is the curve that makes the functional (I) stationery then the variation is Y(x)= y(x)+kh(x). where Y(x) is the variation, y(x) is the extremal curve, k is a variable that adjust the variation, and h(x) some arbitrary function. After doing some calculus you will end up at the Euler-lagrange equations.
@ilikecucumbers4223
@ilikecucumbers4223 4 года назад
they dont make the integral larger though, they make it smaller
@chunwaiwong5355
@chunwaiwong5355 5 лет назад
Then why can u say the velocity is independent of its position ?
@chunwaiwong5355
@chunwaiwong5355 5 лет назад
At 2:29
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 5 лет назад
@@chunwaiwong5355 U stands for potential energy, not velocity.
@rahulbhowmick65
@rahulbhowmick65 6 лет назад
I have a question. In the video you defined that the action to be an integral of the langrangian over time. But how is the action idea any useful since making it stationary meant the same as making the langrangian stationary?
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 6 лет назад
I don't quite understand your question - I'm not making the Lagrangian stationary (I'm not even sure that's a thing); I'm only making the action integral stationary.
@unalcachofa
@unalcachofa 6 лет назад
you repeatedly say that the action integral is stationary, what does this mean explicitly?
@avdrago7170
@avdrago7170 6 лет назад
It means that the functional S=0, which means that the langrangian must obey the Lagrange equations, so it helps you find the correct function y(t) that will fit the Lagrange equation
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 6 лет назад
I'll refer you to my intro to Calculus of Variations video (one of the prerequisites to this lesson) for an explanation (watch the first 1:45): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6HeQc7CSkZs.html If you'd rather not watch it, here's basically what it says: in regular calculus, you might have a function f(x). The point where f(x) is stationary corresponds to the point where df/dx = 0, since when df/dx = 0, the function f(x) is not changing (i.e. it's stationary). A point where the function f(x) isn't changing could be either a local minimum, a local maximum, or a saddle point. The same idea applies to the action integral, which is now a function of functions (a functional), so instead of considering points where the function is stationary, we are now considering functions where the functional is stationary. A function that makes a functional stationary is one that ensures that the 'derivative' of the functional with respect to that function is zero, so we could have a function that makes the functional a local minimum, a local maximum, or a saddle point. The principle of stationary action basically says that the path the particle follows (i.e. the function that the action functional depends on) must make the action stationary. Usually, the particle's path makes the action a local minimum (which is why you'll often hear the alternative term: Principle of Least Action), but sometimes, you can also get saddle points (and very rarely, local maxima). Hope that helps!
@FacultyofKhan
@FacultyofKhan 6 лет назад
AV Drago: I think you mean S' = 0, but yes, that too.
@unalcachofa
@unalcachofa 6 лет назад
Got it, I should have seen that one first, by the way, thanks for the videos, first-rate explaining on deep content is hard to find on youtube. Keep up the good work!
@a_name_a
@a_name_a 6 лет назад
The first order change of the the action integral is zero.
@nitink9879
@nitink9879 5 лет назад
But what does stationary means ?
@TyronTention
@TyronTention 4 года назад
It usually means that a function "stops" increasing or decreasing.
@nitink9879
@nitink9879 4 года назад
@@TyronTention Thank you.
@leif1075
@leif1075 4 года назад
@@TyronTention Right in other words the action is constant i.e. doesn't change over that interval right? So in that sense it's constant.
@KJG1991mk2
@KJG1991mk2 12 дней назад
Too many ads
@AmSofiane
@AmSofiane 3 года назад
You are the best
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