My argument for it being worth it would be that if you are getting better MPG, that means you are also having less wear and tear on your engine and transmission. So, keeping your car longer and more reliable would be worth it in the long run. Just my two cents
Good analysis - but in the bigger picture, the saving of fuel is as a result of lower friction, lower friction means lower wear and an extended asset lifespan. So it's a win in my books - but I do have bias because I use it and have done for years...
@@mccanada269 Don't forget, With the 50,000 km claim. It's not that the product works 100% for that amount of time, and then suddenly stops working. The effects start to decrease, and are no longer measurable at the 50,000 km mark. So some people are using a bottle every second oil change or so.
I've been using Ceratec in my Honda after every engine oil change (and not after every 50,000 kms as suggested by Liqui Moly) and I've noticed marked improvement in engine idling vibration, smoothness while driving and improved fuel economy. For me more that than it paying back in terms of money, if there is less internal friction, the engine will last me longer with better driving characteristics and that will be the biggest payback for me.
For my air-cooled classic car, an engine rebuild cost about $20k at least if not more. I am glad you proved that Ceratec improves MPG for your auto. I am using it to reduce the engine wear.
Hey guys! This is the first video with the new format, where the eco-mod and the results are in the same video. It took a couple months to get the data for this video. Hope you like it!
Prius Four Touring 2016 with 30.000 miles.. we had like 62 mpg in the city and Highway with 42 mpg @ 93 mph with winter tyres.. now we used Engine Flush for about 25 minutes + 0W20 + Ceratec + gasoline system cleaner and now we have like 74 mpg in the city and 50 on the highway.. 😇
I found your channel looking for 2nd gen prius info and mods, and found your MPG improvements series and fell in love! Cant wait to see more! Have you thought about just taping over the upper grill with clear tape instead of the ugly foam? And have you considered trying clear tape or similar to create rear wheel skirts that continue the body over the rear wheels for improved aerodynamics? Also, my mail fuel economy trick is also removing as much weight as I can without making the cor horribly uncomfortable to live with. Have you considered also replacing all the lights in the car with LEDs which would use less Electricity? Keep it up! Love the series so far!
MORE HYPERMILING PRIUS MODS! I am on the same boat using a 07 gen 2 Prius to just go to work and get around town but I have other vehicles that aren’t gas wallet friendly. Love your tacitics to save, love the science love the time you put into it. We appreciate you😊
From my experience with Ceratec (about 20k KM), I've noticed a small improvement in fuel economy, somewhat similar to the one mentioned in the video, also the engine ran smoother and quieter for quite some time. I've been changing the oil every 7500km and topping it off with M0S2, it seems to "boost" and aid the Ceratec nicely. Appreciate the video.
I used the the oil smoke stop additive from liqui molly, it worked for me. My car has a oil smoke issue, between oil changes it consumed 4-5l liters of oil. The mechanic said its the bad valve stem seal, needs a head rebuild. Oil smoke stop additive claimed it stopes oil smoke, revitalize rubber seal in the oil system, and restore compression. I tried it, and it worked for me. Since the i drive 3000km (that would be 1liter of oil missing already), with the additive inside, no oil smoke, no oil consumption, the engine feels more solid, it idles and runs smoother. I am not saying its a wonderweapon, my car was working fine, the mileage and power was fine. My only issue was the oil burning, and it help with that, i know its not a final solution, and i need a head rebuild in the future, but for the time being im satisfied with it. Maybe i give a shot for ceratec at next oil change, and some ATF additive from Liqui molly, see what happens. By the way, the video was good and informative, and for mileage data to come together, i think it was a long time to make it.
you have to take into account that ceratec claims 30k miles of the ceramics staying inside the engine, reducing engine wear, for high mileage engines I think it's worth it besides improving mpg
Ah, but you haven't taken in to account lower engine wear, prolonged engine life (apparently) and extended times between oil changes. So if you break even on fuel alone, you will benefit a little from the other savings.
The thing that wasn't taken into account is the possible (likely) decrease in engine wear with the additive. I have used a different additive for many years (Dura Lube) in non-hybrids because it increased my mileage by a little under 3 mpg. I literally drive my cars to death before buying a new one. Since I started using the additive, that death has never been because of engine wear, it's always because the cost of repairing everything else gets nearly as high as a new car payment. My new car this time is a toyota hybrid - my first hybrid. DuraLube isn't recommended so I'm looking for what will be best.
For me I don't care about the fuel, because in my country fuel is pretty cheap, around $3.5/gallon for the premium one, for basic one around $2.5/gallon. As long ceratec can help my engine last forever, i will buy ceratec.
Yes, I agree with some of the other comments it’s not only about the fuel saving cost ,it’s about the longevity of the engine, piston rings, rod bearings, crank bearing, just overall less wear on the engine component internally will save you money in the long run.
The friction reduction would be worth it if it is actually reducing metal to metal friction. Id pay that extra amount every oil change if i knew it was actually doing that.
Using a prius with this test will only give a limited benefit because you are splitting hairs for more efficiency. If you managed to get a 5% improvment with a big gas pick up truck, that would be substantial. In reality things like aerodynamic drag will be more of a parasitic loss of efficiency, not the engine.
Ceratec is only used for engines and Manual Transmissions, not recommended with a CVT/auto I always put Ceratec after oil changes and notice the huge improvements esp power, acceleration and fuel consumption
@@naushadnizamudien3449 - The Prius transmission doesn't have a torque converter, or wet clutches. The electric motor performs those functions. It's actually pretty ingenious. Like I said, I did my homework on this.
and yes That Motor Oil geek thing is right, We won't see any of these guys like Chris, Lake, EE and many others using an oil additive. Changing with a high quality full synthetic with high quality additives is the best decision. Rest assured I will never recommend using a heavy lower grade unless your car eats a huge amount of oil. Even these testers who do this stuff for living recommend a high mileage motor oil of the same grade. For you car I'll Recommend Mobil,Amsoil ( obviously it's crazy expensive at some places ) and especially Pennzoil as it's budget friendly ultra premium oil. Just go for the high mileage full synthetic.
@@michaelblacktree Using ceratec for a short oil change interval is actually fine, it makes the engine smoother and is proven to make the engine run for longer. Not a bad idea to use it.
Oh so we are talking about the Motor Oil geek, Yes that vid came into my mind as soon as I heard oil additive, Yes he's right for what he says, it actually changes the way how the oil behaves, doesn't mean if you change the oil it'll have huge problems. Ceratec is known to have good stuff inside it make your vehicle run better. But nothing beats using a quality oil for that, who needs additive when your oil already has that stuff. Amsoil, Pennzoil and a lot more quality brands are out there for that. Engineers Explained is also a Good one to watch.
Nice, as others have said the benefits are you are less likely to have wear and tear on yout engine so less repairs needed (say you got to 1 million miles and your rings are still good, but someone else might have leaking rings at that mileage + less efficient engine + the cost to repair. I'm eyeing up some WS2 but havent bought it yet. Its supposed to be one of mankinds slipperiest materials. Its fairly cheap to get now and you can buy it in powered form to add to oil. I also asked project farm if he would test it, that would be cool.
I'm curently at 53 us mpg on 3800 miles around Europe in a UK 2007 gen2 About 2000 miles (from wich 1300miles with 400kg/ 881lbs weight in the back)are motorway only at speeds between 60 and 100 mph No aero mods yet but I have some software mods and drive the car in stage 4 all the time wich makes a huge difference
@@boobtubeakatv1296 wrong stage 4 applies only to the engine The battery can be at 0c and engine at 88c in stage 4 and it doesn't go automatically in a gen2 prius Only gen3 and gen4 can idle check for stage 4 while moving On gen2 you have to stop to 0mph for idle check and stage 4 to happen and if you don't engine will stay on forever bellow 34mph no matter what soc the battery is in
Some other additives that may be worth a look are Engine Restore with CSL, Motorkote hyperlube, Archoil 9100, liquimoly molygen, maybe Tribotex, and not an additive but HPL oils are supposed to be the cream of the crop when it comes to passenger car motor oils (pcmo) it would be sweet if u could test some of them out. You could also try 0w20 and fill 1/3 of the way up from the dipsticks low oil indicator mark. Good luck on your mpg journey friend!!! (There is one more - Mannol Ceramo Ester but its German and super hard to get in the U.S.)
the primary purpose of this product is to reduce friction and wear of the engine, the fuel consumption which decreases a little is only proof that it reduces friction, therefore in the long term the engine is protected. So yes it's worth it.
increasing 1kmp milage by any fule combustion system or fule injector system is called very less improvement in milage , but when you get 1kmp increase in milage by reducing friction means it had to reduce friction too much , means ceratec worked huge in what it claimed i hope u got my poin of view
My current line of thinking is, That using this product in conjunction with a thinner oil is where it provides the most benefits. For example, my boring 2017 Camry can use a variety of oil viscosities. In the past I have used a 5W30 oil, but this oil change I went to a 0W20. Since I'm using a thinner oil, there is POTENTIAL for the engine to not be as well protected. So using this product SHOULD yield the benefit of a better protected engine, and in theory there should be a "double" fuel saving. From the thinner oil, as well as the Ceratec product. But I don't do enough of the same trips to be able to say with any certainty if this is the case.
Thanks. I think the tires play a big role in that. My car has the Firestone Fuel Fighter tires, and I increased the air pressure to 40 psi front / 37 psi rear.
@@michaelblacktree Please do not do that! Pressure that high is really unsafe when hard braking or cornering, you will break less and corner less, not worth your life to get a bit more MPG!
IMO, the car actually handles and brakes better. The car felt mushy at the stock tire pressure. And it's within the max pressure rating for these tires.
@@michaelblacktree it will seem like it but not under emergency situations, we actually tested it on track and the average braking distance increased by 5-8%, that could mean crashing or not + when the tires are hot they are also more prone to Explode
Your increase in tire pressure IS FINE in ALL conditions !!! You are not racing around corners (🤣) nor braking hard... It's a Prius ☺️ It has regenerative braking... The only thing to look out for is that the front tires may wear in the center quicker due to the constant drag of the electric motors... I personally use 38 f & 35 r in my 2005 Prius and have low resistance tires too... My fuel mileage has more to do with how much my foot gets planted on the pedals, as sometimes you have to show others that YES you can keep up 👀 😱 😎
It’s not only for the fuel economy. At least Ceratec should reduce friction and make the engine more reliable. If this is true, it would more worth the money than fuel saving. But who can prove, the engine runs longer. Like all additives you have to believe in it, or even not. My old Golf MK5 with the „bad“ 1.4tsi BLG engine with 170hp has never an issue with chain or turbo, and runs over 230.000km, before I sell it for an 2019 mk7.5 gti pp. So in this case, for me, it helps the engine run longer without superexpensive issues. But it I think, the 15.000km oilchange interval’s with Addinol 5w/40 helps too for this healthy engine life. The 20€ per bottle in Germany was worth the product for me
If you want more mileage you need a thinner oil, so you are not losing horsepower to pump and pump oil. Additives may help for wear and for the starting moment, when there is no oil pressure or oil in the bearing space. Otherwise you need a fuel that is more energy dense or increase your combustion temperature, which will have your car create unallowed amounts of NOx.
It's not just mpg. Ceratec coats your engine parts and protects wich protects you're investment, your engine"... it works over time, needs to be in your oil 3k miles to properly coat the engine parts. In my opinion if you want to keep the car long term put obe bottle in every oil change, or at least every other oil change.
Think of your engine. If you run an expensive car with a complex engine where service might cost you beyond $5k then yeah you want a fuel cleaner, an oil additive, the best filters and changing them often. An added side effect is that you get marginal fuel economy. With this added and regular oil changes just check your engine head after 150.000km and you should be good.
I have no logical reasoning behind this, but I feel like I'm never going to try an oil additive in my 09 Prius. I will try and have tried gas additives.
Awesome Vid. But I'd like to see an engine torn down After the full treatment from Ceratec additive. * to see if any areas were filled or coated with additive
About trying different additive, a Toyota technician told me that the second gen Prius can handle 0W-20 oil grade thus reducing resistance in the engine due to lower viscosity thus reducing fuel consumption, it would be cool to see it tested!
I don't want to do that, because it might accelerate engine wear. Actually, I decided to use 10w30. Because Florida is a warm place. And the engine has over 200k miles.
@@michaelblacktree Okay, I'll do it myself then, my Prius has less mileage and the engine seems very healthy. I won't make as much effort as you to keep track of the difference it makes but anyways well see if it makes a big difference.
I agree that what you said is a possibility, buuuuut, the Prius has the cam shaft set up for an Atkinson cycle, meaning that there's 20 to 30% less compression than a normal engine. So I figure there's less of an impact if any pressure is lost. Plus apparently Toyota made some studies and a lot of their engines(with a normal cycle also) can handle 0W-20 oil, and are supposed to be more fuel efficient with 0w-20 oil. I'm due for an oil change, I'll put 0W-20 and see what happens. @@anotheryoutuber_
It's worth it if your fuel economy is lower like mine (I average 31mpg), and you really only need 1 can for the engine oil, I don't think it's worth to buy an extra can for the transmission.
Add a little to the gas for even better results! Disclaimer: Don't take me seriously! Would you have to run the oil for 30k mi to get the advertised savings? I assume you have to add w/ each oil change...
That's a good question about the oil changes. Surely LiquiMoly doesn't expect us to go 30k miles between oil changes? Or will some of the additive stay in the engine?
MotorKote will bond to the engine... Use 2 oz every quart... Use every other change out... They make other products that are great as well for fuel and even grease ( think wheel bearings )... Use 1 oz in your CVT box...
There are cheaper ceramic oil additives as well, that might work and give better overall economy (as they are cheaper than Ceratec, but don't know if they perform similar).
@@michaelblacktree I'm in Sweden and here they sell LM ceratec, STP Ceramic Oil Treatment & one of the cheapo car parts "no name" chain called "Biltema" even has a self-branded ceramic oil additive which is sold for about $17,4 (it looks kind of similar to Ceratec if you look at the fluid but more of an orange color).
I did a google search, and found several brands available in the US as well. If another brand works as well as LiquiMoly but is cheaper, then I would do that instead.
hello, is there any problem if I add the Ceratec ceramic additive from liqui moly, but after 100 km from the oil change, I just discovered it after the change and it even has good reviews on amazon, as there aren't many for other products, over 20,000 of reviews... mostly positive, so I'm curious if in contact with the used oil for about 100 km, this additive not being mixed, and not being fresh oil, is it ok? can it damage my engine?
@@herrkulor3771 - The instructions say to mix it with oil before putting it in the engine. If you don't pre-mix it, it'll probably settle to the bottom of the oil pan. Then the oil pump will suck up a big glob of ceratec (instead of oil). That's probably not a good thing. After I found the Motor Oil Geek channel, I stopped using oil additives. The guy is a motor oil specialist, and he breaks it down for us.
@@michaelblacktree it does not say so in the instructions I read, or the video from LM. I just put it in as it is already an oil suspension and let the motor idle a little to mix it up before the drive. Otherwise it would always settle at the bottom of your oil pan anyway. Your motor is the mixer. I also don't see a need for additives, unless there is a specific problem. Fuel saving definitely isn't working. If you get more horsepower, people will drive less fuel efficient anyway.
IF you really want better fuel economy... Use MotorKote products... Tested by millions of miles in semi trucks... PF also tested MotorKote btw... Also, get a less restrictive air filter... I use a K&N '' dry '' filter...
Unless I'm not understanding your comment. A less restrictive air filter, will allow more air in, which in turn means more fuel needs to be added. So it shouldn't provide a fuel saving. Because whilst you don't need to use as much throttle, it's because you are already adding more air.
The driving environment has a huge impact on fuel economy. I recently switched jobs, and average fuel economy dropped about 10 mpg! Because now I'm driving in traffic more often.
