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@toojkool4984
@toojkool4984 8 лет назад
He has an unsolved Rubic's cube. I don't trust him.
@agent-sz2qj
@agent-sz2qj 8 лет назад
lol
@victorselve8349
@victorselve8349 8 лет назад
he has discovered a truly marvellous way to solve the rubric but this comment section would be too narrow to contain it.
@joepsnuiters4384
@joepsnuiters4384 8 лет назад
And I don't trust you because you don't know how to spell Rubik's Cube.
@calebbullis3262
@calebbullis3262 7 лет назад
who said it was unsolved?
@josephrasmussen7826
@josephrasmussen7826 7 лет назад
TooJ Kool you spelt rubik's with a c. i don't trust you.
@tomtom9509
@tomtom9509 8 лет назад
Maths in movies are always ridiculous. They love to have sigmas (sum) on blackboards and some integrals but most math in movies are either meaningless or terribly easy .
@oanshirazi
@oanshirazi 8 лет назад
Watch "The Man Who Knew Infinity"
@globalincident694
@globalincident694 8 лет назад
+FacePlant 2 million views say you're wrong.
@joselum.r.240
@joselum.r.240 8 лет назад
So what are you doing here?
@agent-sz2qj
@agent-sz2qj 8 лет назад
well said
@minhquando100
@minhquando100 8 лет назад
FacePlant I guess someone didn't pass high school algebra.
@georgepapadakis2954
@georgepapadakis2954 5 лет назад
"It might sound greek to you." *But i am greek*
@tim72184
@tim72184 4 года назад
...but did it sound Greek? Certainly "homeomorphic" did.
@tim72184
@tim72184 4 года назад
@Elena Covalciuc The prefix "homeo" is Latinized from Greek. The suffix "morph" is pretty indisputably Greek.
@tim72184
@tim72184 4 года назад
@Elena Covalciuc Пожалуйста.
@magsteel9891
@magsteel9891 4 года назад
Everything was directly or indirectly ripped off from the Greeks. At least that's what I tell my kids.
@nat-moody
@nat-moody 4 года назад
Quoting Shakespeare, it's all greek to me
@olivor_h
@olivor_h 8 лет назад
Those trees brought back horrific memories of organic chemistry...
@baloog8
@baloog8 8 лет назад
Breathe slow im here for you
@plaidmustache
@plaidmustache 8 лет назад
+Olivor Holman. Indeed. But isnt this a physics class he is in, why would they be solving ochem problems?
@thefreebooter8816
@thefreebooter8816 8 лет назад
+Olivor Holman It's A-level maths
@shanikhan00
@shanikhan00 8 лет назад
organic chemistry made a man out of me. and I'm not kidding
@olivor_h
@olivor_h 8 лет назад
shanikhan00 My chemistry teacher always used to say that organic chem separates the men from the boys :)
@scriptkiddie7485
@scriptkiddie7485 7 лет назад
It's not your fault
@asdasdasdasd714
@asdasdasdasd714 7 лет назад
It's not your fault.
@PeppercornBingBong
@PeppercornBingBong 7 лет назад
it's not your fault
@spensersembrat
@spensersembrat 7 лет назад
It's not your fault
@kentatakao6863
@kentatakao6863 7 лет назад
It's all my fault.
@joshs5577
@joshs5577 7 лет назад
It's not your fault
@Depleted-Uranium
@Depleted-Uranium 5 лет назад
3:15 he just pulled a ''this problem is trivial and left as an exercise to the reader''
@okb6436
@okb6436 3 года назад
I hate reading that lol
@kennethvalbjoern
@kennethvalbjoern 26 дней назад
One of those (a spectral theorem in operator algebra) once took me 4 pages of Latex to prove. It took some time, but the proof was very beautiful.
@hybby
@hybby 8 лет назад
Matt Damon = Math Damon?
@MegaSilverBlood
@MegaSilverBlood 8 лет назад
Math Demon.
@pascalstiemer
@pascalstiemer 8 лет назад
+MegaSilverBlood Meth Demon
@Steve.909
@Steve.909 8 лет назад
MethoD Man
@DonQuickZote
@DonQuickZote 8 лет назад
Mat Daaaamon
@piesho
@piesho 7 лет назад
Damn 'Matto
@transdayofrevenge
@transdayofrevenge 7 лет назад
He didn't say that it took 2 years to draw them, but that it took 2 years to prove. I'm not a mathematician but I took that to mean that it took them 2 years to prove that those are the only possible trees with those parameters.
@squeakybunny2776
@squeakybunny2776 4 года назад
Someone in the comments who's not a mathematician but still understands the actual problem and doesn't act like "uh that's easy. Anyone with half a brain can do that" Saved my day...
@dragons123ism
@dragons123ism 4 года назад
@@squeakybunny2776 But did Will Hunting prove it when he wrote them up on the blackboard? It looks like he was just drawing them...
@abhiroopreddy1948
@abhiroopreddy1948 4 года назад
no but there can be more with those parameters I can show
@armycin
@armycin 4 года назад
Still it wouldn't take that much time for an MIT Math professor for such a problem, at least for this specific one
@jalajjain7218
@jalajjain7218 4 года назад
It also doesn't takes 2 years to prove this. With basic graph theory, one can easily find and prove an exhaustive list of degree sequences. And once you have the degree sequences there's aren't much trees(1 or 2 per sequence) that one can draw per degree sequence. Hence proof by exhaustion of all cases one can easily prove that only 10 and specifically these 10 are the graphs that satisfy the conditions.
@malroth801
@malroth801 4 года назад
My boy's wicked smaht.
@Randy1337
@Randy1337 3 года назад
^^
@jaypickett3552
@jaypickett3552 3 года назад
How do you like those apples ?
@gohantanaka
@gohantanaka 3 года назад
Barf.
@satyrkrieg
@satyrkrieg 9 лет назад
Wouldn't the real difficult problem actually be to prove that there are only 10 trees and no more with that characteristics?
@mattiasahlsen3650
@mattiasahlsen3650 5 лет назад
Right, how can people not understand this??
@rastapatchmail2357
@rastapatchmail2357 5 лет назад
No that's not very difficult either.
@NoahBraun21
@NoahBraun21 5 лет назад
@@rastapatchmail2357 2 years for an MIT math professor difficult? of course not. but for college freshman in their free time? sounds like a reasonably difficult problem to give out
@rastapatchmail2357
@rastapatchmail2357 5 лет назад
@@NoahBraun21 , lol. My eight year old could do that in about 10 or 15 minutes. anyone with enough intelligence to have some gumption would be able to finish that in less than half an hour. If you can't finish this in less time than it takes to show the video, you probably don't even belong in college.
@NoahBraun21
@NoahBraun21 5 лет назад
@@rastapatchmail2357 your 8 year old can write mathematical proofs? for sure
@Chyrosran22
@Chyrosran22 8 лет назад
This just looks like molecules to me xD . Ethane, acetaldehyde, isobutane...
@cheasea
@cheasea 7 лет назад
looks like graphs to me
@JohnEthan777
@JohnEthan777 6 лет назад
danielgr86 might have meant ethene
@emperorpingusmathchannel5365
@emperorpingusmathchannel5365 6 лет назад
Ethan9750 but aren't any double bonds
@carlospelcastre6545
@carlospelcastre6545 6 лет назад
Where's the carbonyl group?
@Kurtlane
@Kurtlane 6 лет назад
Some do look like molecules. But the last one... What molecule has a central atom surrounded by 9 others?
@kennytee6882
@kennytee6882 4 года назад
The lesser known and smarter Weasley brother
@olbabybeard
@olbabybeard 3 года назад
Squib
@riparianlife97701
@riparianlife97701 10 лет назад
Such a likable guy! This is why we have the internets. The vast majority of math teachers and tutors are criminally boring. The few who are interesting get to be on RU-vid, probably decades after they've died, and we can see them from anywhere in the world.
@XXgamemaster
@XXgamemaster 7 лет назад
Math isn't intrinsically exciting from the perspective of the non-mathematician, so if you don't like math chances are you won't find it exciting.
@unity303
@unity303 7 лет назад
Docktor Jim dude I was absolutely charmed and instantly pressed subscribe, far more interesting than 9/10 of what I am suggested on RU-vid, other than michio Kaku and NGT/Nye duo. but @ UCLA we needed more professors that were like this fellow, that spoke passionately and inspirationally. I only had about 3 profs I can remember that I never needed coffee for persay, and one of them was exactly like this guy.
@unity303
@unity303 7 лет назад
Docktor Jim beat u to it doc!
@riparianlife97701
@riparianlife97701 7 лет назад
unity3o3 Does he remind you of Bricktop? Picture him saying "You're not worth much to me alive, are you Turkish?"
@unity303
@unity303 7 лет назад
Docktor Jim my takeway forever was, it was foive minutes, ten minutes eggo
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 8 лет назад
"Like all mathematicians, he's tall, blonde, and handsome. Yeah? …YEAH?" Oh James. XD Besides, you're a ginger! XD
@legathar8558
@legathar8558 8 лет назад
he's CLEARLY blonde!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MrsGreenStrauss
@MrsGreenStrauss 8 лет назад
In French we call that kind of ginger-y blond, blondish ginger, "blond vénitien".
@shack8110
@shack8110 8 лет назад
Why is this a math problem and what is the difficulty?
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 8 лет назад
King Lesome Nope.
@HN-kr1nf
@HN-kr1nf 4 года назад
@@MrsGreenStrauss "blond vénitien"?
@OrlandoRiveraLetelier
@OrlandoRiveraLetelier 7 лет назад
The story he tells at the end of the video, about the student who solved an open problem thinking it was his homework, is a story of George Dantzig, a mathematician who later helped to develop a very important theory in applied mathematics.
@sohangchopra6478
@sohangchopra6478 2 года назад
Specifically, in economics
@rhettorical
@rhettorical 2 года назад
That's a preview of the followup video to this which explains the story of that problem in full.
@alexandersanchez9138
@alexandersanchez9138 Год назад
His main contribution (“homework” problems not withstanding) was the simplex algorithm for solving linear programs.
@doomsday7308
@doomsday7308 Год назад
Same people are really smart damn
@drdre4397
@drdre4397 Год назад
@Doomsday Very true, even better if that person happens to be in a field they have a tremendous passion for. You get an obsessed genius at that point.
@MappyTheSquire
@MappyTheSquire 10 лет назад
is it just me or does this dude give off an aura of being a total badass?
@kdmc40
@kdmc40 7 лет назад
TheNimbleTurtle No, he might sound like A.P if you're an alien and never heard the human voice before!
@monstercolorfunco4391
@monstercolorfunco4391 7 лет назад
you venture to say he would own gotham city in the batman ventures?
@saltyninja
@saltyninja 7 лет назад
it's you. he does seem to enjoy life though, which is all that matters.
@theywalkinguptoyouand4060
@theywalkinguptoyouand4060 7 лет назад
ViralCarelessness not really
@SimonGreenSighGee
@SimonGreenSighGee 7 лет назад
Yes, I imagine this is exactly what Bricktop from Snatch looked like when he was younger. And he is foooookin' badass!
@HantaaPL
@HantaaPL 8 лет назад
I seems like anyone who was taught about basic organic chemistry could solve this.
@orssidia
@orssidia 8 лет назад
+Hantaa k
@VesseshHebbar
@VesseshHebbar 8 лет назад
+Hantaa Exactly. Kinda like the different isomers of a hydrocarbon.
@MJ-oh1td
@MJ-oh1td 8 лет назад
+Hantaa It seems like anyone could solve this.*
@sauravkushwaha9252
@sauravkushwaha9252 8 лет назад
The rules are quite different. Do it for yourself after you really understand what's not accepted while making the structure.
@MJ-oh1td
@MJ-oh1td 8 лет назад
+Saurav Kushwaha If this is difficult for you, maybe it's you that doesn't really understand...
@c.c.7687
@c.c.7687 3 года назад
I laugh at how completely unbelievable this movie would've been if Affleck had taken the lead role.
@Randy1337
@Randy1337 3 года назад
@daphnedaisy9108
@daphnedaisy9108 3 года назад
I believe anything with Affleck so I can see it in my mind now. Ahhh nice. P.S. Watch out, people who can believe in things are able to create them. (at least I know I can) hmmmm
@thejesusaurus6573
@thejesusaurus6573 3 года назад
He was surprisingly belivable as not a goon from boston in the accountant and, dare I say, not the worst batman.
@tommerker8063
@tommerker8063 3 года назад
@@thejesusaurus6573 to be fair though, not being the worst batman is not that hard.
@Dylanm94
@Dylanm94 3 года назад
Wait. We used to make fun of Ben Affleck as an actor. What has changed?
@mikemma6695
@mikemma6695 8 лет назад
There are, on average, 183 sesame seeds on every Big Mac bun from McDonald's. I counted.
@ralstonwithanr
@ralstonwithanr 8 лет назад
Mike Stuart how many seeds over how many burgers?
@zoeychevalier5132
@zoeychevalier5132 7 лет назад
I just love how useless this information is xD
@Alexagrigorieff
@Alexagrigorieff 7 лет назад
But how many holes are in the Blackburn, Lankashire? And how many takes to fill the Albert Hall?
@XxJIVONxX
@XxJIVONxX 7 лет назад
how much that would be in grams?
@littlefishbigmountain
@littlefishbigmountain 7 лет назад
Alexagrigorieff This remains unsolved since originally posed in 1967
@BDM276
@BDM276 9 лет назад
It looks like drawing isomers of molecules.
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 9 лет назад
it may be relevant to that.
@messidona2011
@messidona2011 9 лет назад
+chomage This ties to it. Arrangement of molecules based upon covalent and ionic forces might be dictated upon these mathematical trees.
@readysetgo4607
@readysetgo4607 9 лет назад
+Sebastian Hidalgo are there any mathematical lesson (accessible on internet) that can explain me this so i can understand better my biochemistry lessons?
@chiralSPO
@chiralSPO 9 лет назад
+chomage Yeah, as a chemist I found this problem trivial, once the rules were explained. This is effectively the same type of problem as generating isomers, but the rules are a little different (in chemistry cycles are definitely allowed, the number of bonds is restricted, and each vertex can be assigned as a chemical element.
@anticdisposition5908
@anticdisposition5908 8 лет назад
Arthur Cayley studied the representation of saturated hydrocarbons by rooted trees. Look it up.
@algio3041
@algio3041 4 года назад
I know this video is old, but these mathematicians have such great excitement about math, I can't help but enjoy watching, it makes me want to learn more. The world needs more teachers like this.
@ThomasJr
@ThomasJr 4 года назад
the excitement is not for boring stuff, but for things that are logical problems, puzzles and some very deep results. Some stuff in math can be boring, but some can be really interesting
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 3 года назад
It doesn't matter if the video is old. There are people watching it for the very first time today. And, yes!
@tomkrys3331
@tomkrys3331 3 года назад
I swear he was kinda just a genius at everything in the movie, it wasn't just maths
@Diegesis
@Diegesis 3 года назад
he definitely had perfect memory recall which probably aided in his ability to rattle off anything he had ever read. he makes up a bunch of brothers names and lists them off in the same order immediately.
@boredcrab2
@boredcrab2 3 года назад
Yeah he seems to be an expert on organic chemistry, early American history, and law. Among other things
@peterk.6093
@peterk.6093 3 месяца назад
I swear he had it all written in the scenario so that people would believe it. I saw that trick once already.
@daltonbedore8396
@daltonbedore8396 4 года назад
the fact the cameraman is a seperate person and there's banter with them is so different than most youtubes today, charming!
@NacToYT
@NacToYT 3 года назад
This video was made in 2013, dude
@monkey7431_
@monkey7431_ 2 года назад
@@NacToYT That was their point
@Vasu-qn6kj
@Vasu-qn6kj 2 года назад
@@monkey7431_ bruh moment with a profile named bruh.. I think the stars have aligned. Bruh.
@Vasu-qn6kj
@Vasu-qn6kj 2 года назад
@@NacToYT bruh
@FingeringThings
@FingeringThings 4 года назад
Bro my connect the dots colour book has *30* dots. I will see you guys at my harvard lecture
@henriok
@henriok 10 лет назад
When I went to university and got an assignment like this, it either assumed or expressed that you should both show the solutions and prove why there isn't any other solution. So, even if it takes less than 2 years to find 10 solutions, it might take a bit longer to prove that there isn't any more solutions. In this case, that might be easy as well, but I don't think you stressed this point that finding solutions that satisfies the problem doesn't really solve the complete problem.
@BiaZarr
@BiaZarr 7 лет назад
I don't know, I mean it might have been a bigger problem back then, or I might be underestimating it, but I'm pretty sure that I could write an algorith that creates every possible tree with n=10 dots, thus proving that there aren't more solutions to it by creating every possible combination. Might not be the most elegant way to do that, but it's a way to do that.
@zyrohnmng
@zyrohnmng 7 лет назад
How many different trees can you create like that? How can you differentiate between two homeomorphic trees? How well does this method work as you increase n?
@Serfdomftw
@Serfdomftw 7 лет назад
You can do it on an excel spread sheet in 5 minutes, since the definition of the graph is on how many nodes that any point has, so you just branch out. You take a 1-10 table and cut of any value above 9 and then split down the middle as it replicates itself. Each number represents the total number of nodes used. Order is irrelevant as they cannot be homeomorphic nor can you have cycles, therefore it can only be independent of another node (branches).
@Afredericknyc
@Afredericknyc 7 лет назад
this is my thought exactly. I don't believe I had any solutions in my applied mathematics degree that didn't show there weren't any other possible solutions. The proof of nothing else is what makes the problem difficult.
@SageGibbons
@SageGibbons 7 лет назад
Could you explain this more or show how this would be done? I want to try it.
@sjbrooksy45
@sjbrooksy45 10 лет назад
Finish the f-ing story! What happened?
@abysmal5422
@abysmal5422 8 лет назад
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dantzig
@myaccount4400
@myaccount4400 2 года назад
When maths finally solve all the issues physics will create new one...
@holycow343
@holycow343 9 лет назад
this reminds me of organic chemistry
@holycow343
@holycow343 9 лет назад
wow thank you for stating the obvious. you want your nobel prize now? All I said that this video reminds me of organic chemistry, I didn't say this is organic chemistry.
@holycow343
@holycow343 9 лет назад
***** alright but just so you know I like to fight naked
@RhydianCrescent
@RhydianCrescent 9 лет назад
+holycow343 Fukn best reply to rage EVER
@kcorb882988
@kcorb882988 9 лет назад
+holycow343 The term chiral came to mind for me.
@readysetgo4607
@readysetgo4607 9 лет назад
+holycow343 yes, me too!
@NOTWorthless
@NOTWorthless 11 лет назад
The "urban legend" is not a legend. This is roughly what happened to George Dantzig, who is famous for his contributions to linear programming among other things. Snopes has a page on it.
@marcochimio
@marcochimio 3 года назад
I believe that there were TWO problems on the board. He took weeks to months to solve them both, and I believe he included an apology for submitting one of them late.
@Lightn0x
@Lightn0x 5 лет назад
I feel like in order for the solution to be complete, we shouls also prove that there are no other trees than the ones drawn. And that's not so trivial.
@jackburns7963
@jackburns7963 8 лет назад
This wasn't the problem that took MIT professors 2 years to solve in the movie. This was the problem: 1) Find the adjacency matrix A of the graph G 2) Find the matrix giving the number of 3 step walks in G 3) Find the generating function for walks from point i to j 4) Find the generating function for walks from points 1 to 3 Don't know if anybody can do it at home or not.... I know i can't. As for the tree problem the movie never mentions if it was difficult or not.
@ariadnarodriguez6254
@ariadnarodriguez6254 5 лет назад
Exactly. Those were the questions.
@melontusk7358
@melontusk7358 4 года назад
is that Linear algebra?
@azizalimov6417
@azizalimov6417 4 года назад
@@melontusk7358 Stochastic processes I'm pretty sure
@asherujudo7383
@asherujudo7383 4 года назад
It didn't take MIT professors that time. It was when they were still students and not professors.
@jackburns7963
@jackburns7963 4 года назад
​@@asherujudo7383 In the movie, the professor said: "that took us more than two years to prove" that's it. Didn't mention when those two years took place or what the circumstances were. They may as well have solved it in kindergarten or in a previous life in ancient Mesopotamia. And that hypnotist psychologist, the one the professor took Will to, helped them to retrieve it. It doesn't really make any difference to the point I was making. The "that took MIT professors two years to solve" is a quote from THIS video. I used it only as a frame of reference.
@asabry4126
@asabry4126 3 года назад
"It might sound like greek to you because some of it is greek" I'm stealing that
@jarretberenson1214
@jarretberenson1214 5 лет назад
I don’t get why everyone is saying that this problem is so easy. I got a 760 out of 800 on the SAT in math (top percentile). I have also passed the AP calculus AB test with a score of 4 (not great, but still better than the majority of students that take the test). I have also gotten an A in my college calculus course, but I could not draw those diagrams. I don’t really understand the problem to be honest. I am willing to bet that most people could not actually draw all of the trees so easily.
@HowardBunjo
@HowardBunjo 2 месяца назад
Why is this the too comment if it was posted 5yrs ago and has no replies🤔
@Leonie1483
@Leonie1483 10 лет назад
The pigeon wallpaper is arguably the best part of this video :D
@jamesstuart3346
@jamesstuart3346 Год назад
I know nothing about math, but a therapist who treats a patient without looking at his medical records would lose his licence
@dspsblyuth
@dspsblyuth Год назад
Are we sure Will had medical records?
@Anand-vx2xx
@Anand-vx2xx Год назад
@@dspsblyuth he did since he knew about the abuse and will's injuries right?
@dspsblyuth
@dspsblyuth Год назад
@@Anand-vx2xx so he did look at his medical records?
@Anand-vx2xx
@Anand-vx2xx Год назад
@@dspsblyuth i assume so, either the psych pulled out some documents or they were inserted on screen because i definitely remember seeing them + either way there doesnt seem to be any other way he could have found out about the abuse
@dspsblyuth
@dspsblyuth Год назад
@@Anand-vx2xx you don’t necessarily need medical records to treat a new patient either. Some people just don’t have them for various reasons such as children in the foster care system or from poor families that never took them to a doctor. I’ve seen doctors who didn’t have my records because I just didn’t remember the names of the doctors
@lin2k4
@lin2k4 6 лет назад
His enthusiasm is infectious! I wish I had more teachers like that.
@davidandrews1730
@davidandrews1730 9 лет назад
From an American point of view, the take home message in the movie is that there are in our country brilliant people who never get a shot. I knew one. Unfortunately, he fell under a bus and was killed on his way to his job on the nightshift. The odds are--I will never meet another person as gifted.
@EGarrett01
@EGarrett01 9 лет назад
David Andrews Hi!
@davidandrews1730
@davidandrews1730 9 лет назад
I got the point of the movie, but I was moving on to reality...something you might have a fleeting knowledge of.
@disgruntled181
@disgruntled181 7 лет назад
hulk0hulk From an American point of view..... No
@KerrySoileau
@KerrySoileau 8 лет назад
Your video ended before you gave the name of the person who was supposed to be the real Will Hunting. I remember in grad school I heard a legend about the mathematician John Milnor, who came in late, copied down what he assumed were homework problems and solved them all. It turned out that they were all unsolved problems in knot theory.
@Oaklev
@Oaklev 8 лет назад
+Kerry Soileau There's also George Dantzig and the simplex algorithm.
@nezZario
@nezZario 8 лет назад
+Kerry Soileau I can't find any citation that Milnor does this, but the wikipedia article for the Simplex Algorithm cites that George Dantzig did this, as +Oaklev stated.
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 8 лет назад
+Kerry Soileau That was George Dantzig, and it was for two unproved statistical theorems. Also, the end of the video links to a continuation that talks about that exact thing.
@Lep_19
@Lep_19 3 года назад
Always fun to look back on these and get a feel for the relationship between these two. Both so invested in and excited to partake in the process of making these that they would make extra videos on a whim ("alright, we'll talk about that first"; see also the square the circle videos). There's a certain comfy feel that's been captured in the resulting videos.
@manualLaborer
@manualLaborer 8 лет назад
is that a tattoo on your hand? maybe a tear? indicating you've killed someone with your lethal mad math skillz?
@n.l.4025
@n.l.4025 5 лет назад
manualLaborer The color of the mark on his hand looks purplish to me, which was probably made by that same marker that he drew the “trees” with. I know it’s more fun for you to poke fun at someone else, but it’s not real. Too bad.
@jgun4125
@jgun4125 4 года назад
@Jeffro Lans Do the math.
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 3 года назад
My uncle Joe wrote "JOE" on his hand with an original magic marker in the late '50s / early '60s and it's still there to this day, faded but still legible.
@monstercoinz9460
@monstercoinz9460 9 лет назад
It's always easy once you know the answer. It took hundreds of years just to design a working lightbulb. We all know how they work now.
@tricksock
@tricksock 5 лет назад
I don't.
@irokosalei5133
@irokosalei5133 2 года назад
This example is so bad. There is a difference between a simple logical system and a piece of technology that requires Maxwell's theory of Electromagnetism and other engineering abilities. You probably don't know how a lightbulb works.
@Wetsuitboy
@Wetsuitboy 5 лет назад
That explains a lot. I think my math tests at school were full of unsolvable problems xD
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 8 лет назад
So how much money did it cost nd how many people died saving Matt Damon in that movie?
@sauravkushwaha9252
@sauravkushwaha9252 8 лет назад
😂😂😂 unfortunately he wasn't stuck in some situation this time...
@gunslinger2566
@gunslinger2566 6 лет назад
About $20 in chalk and I think we all died a little bit after Robin's monologue in the park.
@HowBored
@HowBored 8 лет назад
How do you prove there are exactly ten solutions?
@inchicago
@inchicago 8 лет назад
exactly. that's what actually makes it difficult
@stylesnhl7004
@stylesnhl7004 8 лет назад
+seacaptain72 wrong
@starfall0
@starfall0 8 лет назад
you don't have to know the answer to know that someone is wrong (in math, at least). But pointing the error would be neat.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
@ChucksSEADnDEAD 8 лет назад
If you do the same problem with n=11, there will be 14 solutions. n is just the number of vertices, and 10 vertices happens to have 10 solutions.
@Qladstone
@Qladstone 7 лет назад
And if you do the same problem with n in {1, 2, 3} you have no solutions.
@leetingfung
@leetingfung 5 лет назад
It took me only like 5 minutes to find out all 10 trees and I don't know the answer, that makes me think that drawing is not the hardest part. The real question is how do you know there are only 10.
@varigdc10
@varigdc10 10 лет назад
With the advent of the Internet and all current technologies the first time I was introduced to the term " Google " a bell rang inside my head. I knew I heard this strange word somewhere a long time ago. I went to sleep that day thinking about it. The next day, bam!, I remembered. In 1964 I was a sophomore in High School ( Lane Tech, Chicago, Illinois ) my Calculus teacher asked if any of us knew what a "googleplex" was, nobody even heard the word. He went on to say it is a number, integer, with an infinite number of zeroes after it. The whole thing made sense in no time, today's Internet Google is exactly this, infinite number of information as I first heard from my teacher in 1964, wonder what he would think if he was alive today. Math is wonderful, and I hated it all during school, but had to do it towards BS EE.
@guy3717
@guy3717 6 лет назад
A googolplex isnt infinite. Its 10 to the power of a googol, a googol being 10 to the power of 100. Its just a really big number.
@mario6279
@mario6279 9 лет назад
They look like network topologies
@readysetgo4607
@readysetgo4607 9 лет назад
+mario rojas i think everybody sees a correlation with the field they study.
@JohnyScissors
@JohnyScissors 6 лет назад
Exactly, it's an underlying of logic in science
@SebastMorillo84
@SebastMorillo84 4 года назад
Best scene: One, don't do that. Two-- you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on an education you coulda' picked up for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.
@RayFloresdeNL
@RayFloresdeNL 10 лет назад
Nice. But the problem is not quite "finished". How can you be so sure there is no other trees? Just because you can't find it, it doesn't mean the 11'th tree doesn't exist.
@icecubatron
@icecubatron 5 лет назад
@@stefdevilliers3840 n=3 has zero solutions. n=10 having 10 solutions is just a coincidence.
@govegan6682
@govegan6682 5 лет назад
@@stefdevilliers3840 that is simply wrong, n=11 has 14 soultions for example
@Philgob
@Philgob 7 лет назад
This is not hard hahaha... The hard part is proving the maximum number of trees, which is what the "mit professors" do in the movie. What you did barely even has a mathematical aspect to it... It's just a series of random trial and error drawings
@BenKarcher
@BenKarcher 7 лет назад
I paused the video right away and did just that its also not hard. basically just start with a network of four and tree search out utill you reach 10. if you combine identical networks and always add two lines to a node that only has one to keep within the irreducible rule I only drew 25 networks total
@Philgob
@Philgob 7 лет назад
Ben Karcher That does not prove anything...
@BenKarcher
@BenKarcher 7 лет назад
yes it does because if you add one node in every possible spot you will reach every possible network and therefore there are only as many as i end up with.
@Philgob
@Philgob 7 лет назад
Well you're obviously an idiot because Numberphile shows the there are only 10 possible networks. Just the fact that you drew 25 shows that you don't understand the base of concept, let alone prove it with a formula or a rule
@BenKarcher
@BenKarcher 7 лет назад
No i drew 25 networks total to reach the end result of 10 with 10 nodes. I threw that in to point out how it was not a difficult thing to prove and only took like 20 minutes. I drew the 25 possible networks for n 1 n=5 --> 1 n=6 --> 2 n=7 --> 2 n=8 --> 4 n=9 --> 5 n=10 --> 10
@saltyninja
@saltyninja 7 лет назад
If we'd had a math unit on drawing pretty little trees I might have enjoyed it more.
@VEX_INC
@VEX_INC 7 лет назад
Omg i remember doing something like this with isomeric organic compounds in primary school. At the time i was so baffled now its just fun finding all the possibility's.
@Colstonewall
@Colstonewall 10 лет назад
What the heck is that machine directly behind you on the table (around 2:06)? Is that an Enigma Machine, for Christ's sake, lol?
@kennethsizer6217
@kennethsizer6217 5 лет назад
I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find an Enigma mention. CRIKEY! The man's got an Enigma Machine just sitting there on the table like a lunchbox.
@Schneeeulenwetter
@Schneeeulenwetter 7 лет назад
the beginning reminded me so much of chemistry
@oriagruber
@oriagruber 9 лет назад
I'd like to ask a more interesting question - how can we know that there aren't more? Who said that there are only 10 homeomorphic irreducible trees with 10 nodes? maybe there are more and you missed them?
@riskitonme
@riskitonme 9 лет назад
I was thinking the same thing, I think the problem becomes a bit more difficult when you have to prove that there are only ten and no more.
@zyrohnmng
@zyrohnmng 7 лет назад
That's part of the problem and why it could take a while to solve.
@240ups
@240ups 5 лет назад
I heard it was originally suppose to be a sassy troubled wedding planner, and it was called Goodwill Bunting!
@JohnHorak
@JohnHorak 11 лет назад
reminds me of drawing isomers in orgo
@sudevsen
@sudevsen 8 лет назад
the problem coudnt have simply been draw 10 things that's just tail and error
@TheRikuideFurame
@TheRikuideFurame 8 лет назад
The problem wasn't to draw 10. It was to draw trees where n=10. Without knowing the solution (which you wouldn't), you'd have no way of knowing how many solutions there actually were and *that* was the real purpose of the question.
@mr.rogers1019
@mr.rogers1019 4 года назад
This comment section has the lowest number of f-bombs that I've ever seen... I know now I'm among greatness.
@vamsigagjew1535
@vamsigagjew1535 4 года назад
fu fu fu fu fu.. i cant do it
@SmileyMPV
@SmileyMPV 7 лет назад
Fun fact: Only for n=3 there exist no irreducible trees.
@Slayden135
@Slayden135 7 лет назад
SmileyMPV makes sense
@georgetownsend1479
@georgetownsend1479 7 лет назад
SmileyMPV n = 0? 8)
@SmileyMPV
@SmileyMPV 7 лет назад
George Townsend The empty tree is definately irreducible, so there exists an irreducible tree for n=0.
@kentatakao6863
@kentatakao6863 7 лет назад
I think you mean that there are no homeomorphic trees for n=3.
@kiraacorsac
@kiraacorsac 7 лет назад
+Callous Kunth There is literally only one tree with three vertices. It's the opposite - it's homomorphic to every other 3-vertex tree.
@bix16000
@bix16000 10 лет назад
You mustn't prove your 10 trees are the only ones of that kind ?
@Zett76
@Zett76 3 года назад
It isn't even a mathematical problem. It's perfectly solvable by trial and error.
@alcoll1038
@alcoll1038 3 года назад
Well, it's still Graph Theory
@5gef
@5gef 8 лет назад
Yes this is easy, and its funny how hard for you guys to realize this is not the correct problem that took MIT lecturers 2 years to solve. This is the later one.
@swingro2011
@swingro2011 8 лет назад
Yep. The matrix one was the complicated . I believe it has something to do with a Jordan matrix. I cannot remember all the math i did in college as an engineer, but it looks like one of the problems to solve an authomathic process.
@DirePlot
@DirePlot 7 лет назад
Actually, in the movie, after the first problem was solved, the professor said the the second problem was even harder than the first. You can rewatch the movie and see for yourself.
@humanbeingmansimonwright
@humanbeingmansimonwright 9 лет назад
Do you like apples?
@joshl90
@joshl90 4 года назад
sea monsta well I’m in 2020, how do you like them apples?
@nicklibrizzi9656
@nicklibrizzi9656 6 лет назад
That's actually a pretty simple explanation of tree's for math. Love it. Thank you! I don't know and wouldn't know what it's for but great example!
@ahmadshokry5945
@ahmadshokry5945 7 лет назад
My deep respect to you Dr James Grime. I am a doctor, but you bring back my old passion for math with your awesome videos. Thanks
@joshdenham8404
@joshdenham8404 8 лет назад
Lol you look just like my son
@WolfgangDibiasi
@WolfgangDibiasi 6 лет назад
Unbelievable that a math nerd has so many subscribers. Actually... IT IS AWESOME! I SUBBED :D
@geofisue
@geofisue 8 лет назад
I guess the difficulty is on prove that there are 10 forms for n=10 ¿?
@geofisue
@geofisue 8 лет назад
sorry for those ¿?, I'm spanish
@honknoodle
@honknoodle 10 лет назад
2 years for this problem? I found them all in less than 20 minutes.
@arthurbond
@arthurbond 7 лет назад
Actually there are 14
@sbunny8
@sbunny8 7 лет назад
It took me about 10 minutes to find all 10 and show there can't be more than 10. This is challenging but no way would it stump a math professor for 2 years let alone a whole math department at MIT. it's easier than a Rubik's cube
@zyrohnmng
@zyrohnmng 7 лет назад
How did you prove there can be no 11th graph?
@zyrohnmng
@zyrohnmng 7 лет назад
How did you prove there can be no 11th graph?
@RobertMorgan
@RobertMorgan 7 лет назад
How did you prove there CAN? Boom, sit down
@benYaakov
@benYaakov 3 года назад
I'd solved for size 15 . GUESS THE NUMBER OF STRUCTUTES :)
@WSUGLUE
@WSUGLUE 8 лет назад
Reminds me of stereoisomers from organic chemistry.
@nicksbordone5271
@nicksbordone5271 6 лет назад
Hanan Nasser constitutional isomers
@nicolaszunker4938
@nicolaszunker4938 8 лет назад
i feel like this branch of mathematics (if youll pardon the pun) comes up a lot in organic chemistry, would i be right in that assumption- and what is it called?
@wheresthebeach0138
@wheresthebeach0138 8 лет назад
i believe this has to do with the branch of combinatorics, specially how they graph. hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong
@nicolaszunker4938
@nicolaszunker4938 8 лет назад
ah ok. I really wouldve thought it would be used to calculate the possible number of isotopes for molecules. Or did i just accidentally describe combinatorics?
@wheresthebeach0138
@wheresthebeach0138 8 лет назад
+Nicolas Zunker my knowledge of chem is too limited to give you a definite answer! maybe a chem whiz can jump in to clarify?
@nicolaszunker4938
@nicolaszunker4938 8 лет назад
yes please! any chem wizzes out there??
@petter6172
@petter6172 8 лет назад
My exact thoughts! I think it would have been more difficult to solve this if I had not had organic chemistry
@wgoulding
@wgoulding 7 лет назад
What might take 2 years is if you came up with a theory that predicted the number of trees you could make for any number of dots.
@kerrywsmyth
@kerrywsmyth 11 лет назад
When my dad was in college for engineering back in the 1960's and 70's he got lots of unsolvable problems on tests. The difference was that it was simply just a mistake by the professor.
@Colin-kh6kp
@Colin-kh6kp 4 года назад
You’re a genius, it took MIT professors 2 years to do what you did in the course of this video.
@win_cole
@win_cole 2 года назад
It took him two years to prove it, not to resolve it and he doesn't even say at what age so who knows
@oliviabahr9304
@oliviabahr9304 3 года назад
Just got a short question to anyone who can answer or help :) Are circles only banned in this type of "triangle shape", or is it also banned when it contains 4 or more dots (square or pentagon or whatever). Because in this case, the second one that he shows would be banned, wouldn't it? Because if you turn the middle branches to the respective side, you will get two such circles, right? Whoever reads this, have a nice day:)
@christophersewell6611
@christophersewell6611 8 лет назад
When Dr. Grime describes the first type of banned transformation, he is actually showing something called graph isomorphism. Two graphs are isomorphic if there exists a mapping from the vertices of one graph to another which preserves the edges between them. Now before you really understand a homeomorphism, I believe it is first necessary to understand the concept of an elementary subdivision. Note how Dr. Grime goes from the first graph to the second banned graph by deleting the middle edge and replacing it with a vertex and two edges to reconnect the graph. This process is called an elementary subdivision. Finally, we say two graphs are homeomorphic if they can both be obtained by elementary subdivisions of some other graph. For a more complete introduction to graphs and trees check out "Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics" by Grimaldi. In all honesty, you could begin reading this book with a basic understanding of high school mathematics.
@Quantris
@Quantris 4 года назад
Indeed...his explanation of "homeomorphism" IMHO wrongly conflates the concept of a graph with its embedding. The type of isomorphism he's talking about wouldn't even be worth mentioning as a condition in such a problem (on unlabeled graphs)...because obviously without it the answer is infinity if just moving vertices around on the paper would be considered a different graph. In the context of this problem, the term "homeomorphically irreducible" should be explained as a whole.
@cooperjk55
@cooperjk55 5 лет назад
Thank you, I am so doing this with my AP physics class!
@stevereade4858
@stevereade4858 3 года назад
2 years? 10 mins ... childsplay. Don't think a couple of them are valid - I rejected the "cross" forms as extensions: ---- * ---. Silly me!
@cshark899
@cshark899 7 лет назад
Those pigeons in the background! Reminds me of "A beautiful mind". An algorithm that can draw the pattern on how pigeons move! _/\_
@cryptomaniac3327
@cryptomaniac3327 4 года назад
the professor claimed that he "proved" the solution with theory - that's a whole magnitude of complexity beyond just the solution
@tristanwh9466
@tristanwh9466 3 года назад
Not really, this can be proved exhaustively fairly easily with abiut as much effort as it woukd take to find the answers
@fermatslasttheorem6298
@fermatslasttheorem6298 2 года назад
@@tristanwh9466 If you tried to do it yourself without ever knowing the answers, you would probably end up drawing "new" trees without realizing that you have already drawn them in a different shape. Also brute force drawing isn't really an acceptable method of proof. You could say you have only drawn 10 trees and can't any more variations after 10 - but you still didn't prove the limit is 10 - you only shown you could only do 10.
@DylanLCutshall
@DylanLCutshall 4 года назад
Pretty sure you left out the rest of the problem in the movie. Doing this is easy yes and we can all do it at home in less than 2 years. The hard part, which you forgot, was that he had to prove it as well. WHY are there only 10 ways? How do you know 11 isn’t possible? That’s the hard part, to show that in some kind of elegant equation
@bumpinugly4985
@bumpinugly4985 5 лет назад
Matt Damon is an amazing actor. To think that that man passed himself off as a genius, incredible performance.
@benshaw750
@benshaw750 4 года назад
Z Ed he wrote the script
@FiveSigma72
@FiveSigma72 8 лет назад
Yeah but was it numberwang?
@Novasky2007
@Novasky2007 5 лет назад
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaats numberwang!
@BboyCorrosive
@BboyCorrosive 3 года назад
Nah wanganum
@HiltonBenchley
@HiltonBenchley 5 лет назад
I disliked the film. Matt Damon had the personality and acting skills of a cardboard box. Didn't warm to the character at all. Robin Williams briefly threatened to make it almost interesting, but I wouldn't watch it again.
@ronin6158
@ronin6158 6 лет назад
i always knew I was a secret math genius who just mops floors.
@daphnedaisy9108
@daphnedaisy9108 3 года назад
lol...well who wouldn't if it gives them free time and peace of mind so they can solve harder problems like saving the world....hmmmm
@treepeenbawlz1934
@treepeenbawlz1934 5 лет назад
Those MIT professors are now janitors
@Cubinator73
@Cubinator73 6 лет назад
You make this problem easier than it actually is by simply stating "there are 10 possibilities". Try proving that!
@thalisthes
@thalisthes 8 лет назад
In Greece we say "It sounds like Chineese to me" :P
@standowner6979
@standowner6979 4 года назад
How is the river mate?
@dwinsemius
@dwinsemius 9 лет назад
Cute. But the American student came late to a regular day's class (not an exam) and thought it was a homework problem. His name was George Dantzig and the professor was Jerzy Neyman. The paper was accepted in 'The Annals of Mathematical Statistics'.
@MustangKepler
@MustangKepler 7 месяцев назад
The man who knows infinity is better that this childs play, the guy tells many theorms attributed to his life, than this guy in this movie doing basic math and express like he contributed something to mathematics, this movie trolled the heck out of mit professors to mathematicians. Movie is goofy, idk any mathematicians exists like this goofy guy.
@vitorvilasanchez
@vitorvilasanchez 9 лет назад
"and that's a guy with a funky afro" best quote EVER!
@victorscarpes
@victorscarpes 4 года назад
The song while he was drawing tha graphs reminded me so much o Avatar: The Last Airbender
@etheraelespeon1986
@etheraelespeon1986 3 года назад
I honestly thought this was going to be a statistics video about your chances of finding actually valuable items in Goodwills xD
@andypampreen8906
@andypampreen8906 5 лет назад
Ok, now prove that you've found all the possibilities using probability theory, and without assuming that there are only 10 options. Then write a script in Python that can solve the problem by itself.
@PMRstudios1
@PMRstudios1 10 лет назад
"some of the words are greek." then says latin words....
@krashd
@krashd 7 лет назад
I think he meant greek as in complex, we often call any complex lingo greek.
@davidgillies620
@davidgillies620 6 лет назад
Homeomorphism is derived from two Greek roots: homoios (similar) and morphe (shape). The graph theoretic homeomorphism being discussed here (the action of removing degree two nodes) is known as smoothing out or series reduction, which is why these graphs are more commonly called series-reduced trees.
@hectooooor
@hectooooor 5 лет назад
@@davidgillies620 exactly
@andrewgill9095
@andrewgill9095 6 месяцев назад
Impressive. Now solve the mystery of crop circles and I will be very impressed. Who makes em? How and why? It ain't ALL Doug and Dave.
@SpaceMan-f6d
@SpaceMan-f6d 5 месяцев назад
They must have followers! IMHO
@FingeringThings
@FingeringThings 4 года назад
Everyone: I love connect the dots! Numberphile:
@Doeniel02
@Doeniel02 10 лет назад
I found all of them by my own
@mailoisback
@mailoisback 4 года назад
How do you know that you found ALL of them? That's the question...
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