The PROBLEM With Justice League Crisis On Infinite Earths 

That is a good point actually

Its obvious they went with that way. They want the next animated ones tied to Gunn DCU

Cmon they had their chance. JG DVU isn't to blame. The scary thing is it did exactly what the DCEU did, that Jeff Wamester guy is the Zack Snyder of the DC animated universe

No, this universe was a mess from the beginning. Honestly, this just feels like more of the same.

You forget what DC is best at. They're the best at making a few mistakes, and instead of fixing them, they reboot the whole universe. Prime Earth has been rebooted a good 7 times in the past 20-ish years.

It's a cartoon how big of a budget does it need

​@@christopherbaker9676 did you know that the more workers you have in your team the more you have to pay, that's crazy, did you also know that in order to get good writers, producers, directors, etc. You have to pay more, that's crazy.

Marvel heroes are better than dc heroes

​@@NHTube1we all have different opinions....yours is wrong

@@Wotan262 No it’s true because marvel heroes are more relatable than dc heroes

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. The art style in particular is dull and a bit lifeless in my opinion however I understand why ppl like it

Thats the perfect word its awful

@@Kalel2.0 i hate the design of the anti monitor. plus harbinger looks more like waverider.

And you’d rather comment than sleep

​@@dynaguy3you'd rather reply then sleep

gotta keep the grind

And we appreciate it

You'd rather reply to a reply about uploading rather than sleep

Even the way the background character cameos are drawn so static & far apart. It all feels like the world's worst cocktail party.

​@@ricg7675uh.. im glad someone else hated this art card designs...

I have to agree it all feels like it lacks life and set up.

I didn’t know how to say it but that’s exactly it…emotionless characters and lack of fitting soundtrack on different scenes…it’s really Flat

David Zaslav and his doing it's because of him so many animated properties we're either cancelled or tax written off and a majority of Wb owned animated media we're taken off hbo max.

That’s why if you like certain movies and shows, it’s best to collect the physical media.

Pretty much James Gunn is trying to make everything connected from games tv shows and movies and animated media.

​@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 which is dumb because not everything is going to matter in the universe. It's not going to contribute to the overarching story, so it doesn't make sense to overhaul everything.

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Almost as that's how the comics act sometimes. There have always been stories that don't further the *ENTIRE* universe.

Not true. The tomorrowverse was planned from the beginning to be shorter than the DCAMU and end with Crisis. It takes years to make these movies

yup matt ryan must be back to do more stuf

@@bradastra6111he’s pretty much becoming Conroy for Constantine

@@InfinityOnGoing to me he already is.

You didnt missed much to be honest... Its more of a rag-tag standalone movies got pitched together for this crisis event..

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They knew from the beginning this universe would be shorter than the DCAMU. I like how Crisis is at least tying the previous movies and shorts together.

@@dynaguy3 it’s just a shame that this universe is underbaked. It was filled with a ton of potential. If this universe had another 5 years, and released about 2-3 films per-year, I’m sure it would easily be top tier. I like it much more than the DCAMU, as the writing of the these movies is a lot stronger, along with other aspects that help these films out

@@joeker5208 I agree about the writing. The DCAMU was a massive downgrade from the movies before Flashpoint. The tomorrowverse movies are a bit closer to the quality of those original movies, but the universe feels a bit rushed. They skipped a lot of development in between movies, but I like most of the characterizations except John Stewart.

@@dynaguy3 tbf. Although I do like the pre-JL War movies. Let’s be honest here. They were mostly just adaptations. Even the looser-adapted films, still had the same premise of established stories. But things like DKR, All-Star Superman, Superman vs the Elite, Batman: Year One, and Flashpoint are pretty damn close to the original comics. With even the dialogue sometimes being an exact one-to-one with the original stories. That’s not discredit the films by any means, but I don’t think I’m gonna praise someone for literally hitting control-v. But as for the DCAMU films. Where I feel the tomorrow-verse is underbaked in its relations and world building. Its character writing is pretty solid to great. With clear characterization and developments for characters, as opposed to the DCAMU, which had very static and surface level depictions of characters. Like Batman has no development or an arc til his fourth film. Flash or either Lanterns had nothing. Wonder Woman didn’t even develop if I remember correctly. And it took til the literal death of Superman for him to have proper characterization of his personality and morals. I’m guessing the tomorrow-verse is so small given that DC was already undergoing a lot of structure its properties til Gunn was finally decided upon, where he promptly erased everything that was ongoing. Hopefully the next interconnected DC Animated Universe will have not only proper time in the oven, but talented writers and direction

COIE has its value, though. But it's a functional story, and they still haven't shown how they're going to fulfill those functions: Reboot everything, and go from an infinitude to a unity. The problem is, the writers are somewhat afraid of what that means, and let's be honest: It was only possible in the comics because Marv Wolfman, George Perez, and Jeanette Kahn had no idea the full extent of what they were doing; in fact, one of the big mistakes was letting each team operate independently in deciding what the new world would look like. (So, you get things like Donna Troy's many origins, or two Black Canaries, or everything about Hawkman.)

Marvel suck Dc is good

@@midnightxtale choosing one over the other. Kinda childish

Marvel animation was good in the early 2000s. Recently, it's sucked. They put out like one good movie, and the sequel was meh. DC has been going downhill since they started doing the New 52 animated movies.

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp fr i found the new 52 animated universe overrated.Iwish dc goes back to just standalon adaptions.

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpWhat sequel was meh?

To be fair, when it was releasing (CW Crisis) we didn't it could get so much worse. Like, then it was a ceiling and now it's like mid.

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Yup, WB have no clue what they're doing. What a waste of such a great story. Twice!

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp i feel like it was even more than twice...

To be honest, both adaptations from COIE were awful since they were made by people who don't respect the source material and the characters within it.

Ever listen to the graphic audio version? It’s pretty good, my favorite adaptation of crisis. If you don’t like it I will accept blame for disappointing you a third time.

He shouldn't be taking kids in and making them fight a war. That's the truth. He's kinda right.

@@Rengokuo4o6 No he ain’t G. If this was Irl then he’d have a point. But this is a comic book verse, we’ve seen 10 year olds take down groups of gunmen and perform feats of mental fortitude No grown man could Irl. Within the context of the Dcu, he’s more than wrong. He’s being arrogant to the case studies in-front of him. He’s looking at living proof that he is wrong on his stance, and he still won’t concede. That’s pure idiocy from this version of Batman.

@@silver______ In the comic books, they all die. All of them or they blame Batman for not being a good father. Need i remind you of Jason or Damien? Even Dick and Tim. Barbara Gordon got her back blown out by Joker. Stephanie Brown, they all had worse stuff done to them or die. This is in the comics so the point still stands. Even if it is just a comic book not real life, the principle still stands. What Bruce is doing is essentially....i am sorry to say this but it is Human trafficking and Child labour. No, whether they wanted it or not is immaterial. Believe me, i have no problem with the issue of suspending my disbelief, but it is very disingenuous not to point out that the kids are essentially in danger on these missions even with their skills. I love Robin but it's just facts.

@@Rengokuo4o6 Dick considers Batman a great father. He’s stated so multiple times even recently. Jasons death is nobody but the fans fault, so it’s kinda silly bringing him up as if he’s some kind of case study proving your stance. He’s not. Do keep in mind by Irl standard 13 year old Jason Todd was 100% Superhuman based on feats. Which proves Kid sidekicks can be effective, and further creates a distinction between kids irl and kids in Dc. Which also lessens any appeal to Irl logic as it pertains to these kids. What happened to Barbara was due to her connection to Jim not Batman. And Batman didn’t recruit her, she became Batgirl on her own, Batman couldn’t stop her so *eventually* he equipped her to better ensure her safety. As is the case with Dick, Tim, Damian, Stephanie and basically every family member aside from Jason. Plus, she was an adult when Joker shot her. Dick has never died in main continuity, and the only instances of him almost being killed are when he’s an adult and solo. Tim has never been killed in main continuity. In fact he’s considered in verse to be a massive success, and due to Batmans tutelage has become one of the greatest detectives alive. Damian sacrificed himself. His death had nothing to do with the fact he was a kid. Human Trafficking is the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of people through force, fraud or deception, with the aim of exploiting them for profit. Batman has made it clear he does what he does to better his children. Not profit. Which has been proven to work considering Nightwing in main continuity is considered the best vigilante and leader in Dc, which he credits to Batman. And make no mistake, he isn’t trafficking these kids, by definition he isn’t, tbh saying so is quite ridiculous and moronic. Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian are legally his kids, and know full well what they’re doing. And it’s also not Child labor, since child labour is the exploitation of children through any form of work that interferes with their ability to attend regular school, or is mentally, physically, socially and morally harmful. Batman ensures all the robins attend school. Have friends. Take time off. Sit out missions too dangerous. Are physically healthy, in better condition than 100% of the real world. He even teaches them healing techniques that allow them to heal exponentially faster. Mentally strong, with every member of the Family being genus’s with iron clad willpower and ensures they learn to control their physical energy (ki) and emotions. As for “morally harmful” the Batfamily are some of the most morally righteous heroes in Dc. What they want isn’t immaterial. These “Kids” are Super-geniuses with a greater control over their minds than any human alive Irl. I’d argue due to those facts that what they want is more relevant and valid than what any adult with a below 150 iq wants. And as I said earlier, as has been confirmed, most these characters would’ve became vigilantes with or without Batman. Batman just provides the proper equipment, training and supervision and ensure they develop properly mentally so they don’t turn out as he did. Which is proven to work in Dc. When talking about these kids, conventional concepts, rules and limitations as it pertain to raising these kids are thrown out the window purely due to how capable and competent these characters are.

because this batman doesnt practice child labor it doesnt make him bad

Flashpoint Paradox deserves a shout out too

He tries but half of these kids still try to fight criminals on their own even when batman advises them not to at first

To be fair, Slade's kids are one of the most interesting things about him.

This should've been a one season, twelve episode limited animated series made by the people that did Young Justice.

Heck the original comics had the best solution for crisis set up. Crisis on earth 2, crisis on earth 3, crisis on earth x, earth-A, earth-S, earth-4 Etc.. those crossovers were the set up that made crisis so important. It’s why the comic was called crisis on infinite earths, because that was only way to conclude such sagas. Also minor point but I do miss the silver age crime syndicate. They were the bad guys but they understood the importance of keeping the earth at least somewhat stable. It’s why their deaths actually felt tragic. Heck before dying ultraman looks exactly like Superman in terms of spirit and would later be resurrected to stop a Superman worse than he ever was.

I always thought the tomorrow verse had the archer animators and artist work on it or something.

Yep you're right

Ya you're right he didn't, he also didn't have that many speaking lines

He got 2 lines and he mostly just stood there

The DCAMU didn't have him either.

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 fuck the DCAMU then 🥴.

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 that’s a shame looks like it’s fuck the dcamu 🥴🥴