The Problem With Miles Morales... Marvel Ruined Him - Explained 

It's funny how Peter, Miles, and other Spider-Man characters are being treated better in projects like the Spider-Verse films and the PlayStation Spider-Man games than in their own comics.

I completely agree. They could easily move Miles to California or Chicago, that way Miles can get his own unique villains and we won't wonder "Hey, isn't Peter right down the block? Why isn't he helping!?" and vice versa when Peter fights a big bad and Miles is literally just a stones throw away

The fact that Peter and Miles live 6 Miles away and basically never interact is nuts. My friend lives in a different city and I'll still drop by to see him from time to time.

Marvel ruined Peter Parker too.

I feel like they did Miles and Peter's relationship best in the videogames. I like the mentorship dynamic. They should make Peter grow up and be a high level hero and become the leader of the Avengers and have an executive position or something at a big bioengineering firm and let Mile's be a friendly neighborhood Spiderman. You can have them interact with each other in which Paker acts as big brother figure

Benny hit the nail on the head for the issues. I think the easiest fix would have been to keep Parker Industries active to give reason why Peter isn't available to help or do what was done with most of the other Spider-Men and relocate him to a different area. Kaine operated out of Houston during his Scarlett Spider run, Ben was operating out of Vegas during his last Scarlett Spider run and Ock was in San Francisco during his last Superior run. It allowed them to operate without the Peter question and if the other Spider-Men showed up it generally was a mini event

Love the video. The issues that you bring up with Miles is the same with every superhero in New York. Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, iron fist, all Spider-men, Moon Knight, Daredevil, The avengers not to mention the X-Men before this current run.

The fact that they just don’t make Miles “Ultimate Spider-Man” and Peter just stays Amazing Spider-Man will always leave me flabbergasted at who at Marvel really didn’t make this easy distinction.

Honestly this would not be nearly as big of a problem if they actually let Peter finally move on to the next part of his life and be an adult. Maybe even have a kid. I don't understand the obsession with trying to keep Peter young and relatable. We already have a young and relatable Spider-Man now that Miles is in the main universe.

If the distance between Miles and Peter is a problem then you can literally say that about every single character in Marvel.

Been saying this exact same thing for years. Miles was an amazing character picking up the mantle and moving forward. Throwing them into the main continuity cheapens his character Parker sacrifice and everything else. No idea what you would do but just feels bad.

Honestly bold choice for using the Into the Spiderverse as a thumbnail, even though for many people its where Miles was properly able to become his own character instrad of being Peter Parker but even younger.

Dude I use to watch this guy years ago, good to see his still going hard:)

Since you mentioned it at the end, currently there's no problem with Nightwing. In fact I'd say that his the best he has ever been currently. Of course I'm 100% biased because he's my all-time favourite comic book character. I mean the worst things you could say about him are his time as a Rick Grayson and the whole agent of Spyral thing.

To be honest, I like Miles Morales in Spider-man Into the Spider-Verse. I never got the chance to read Ultimate Spider-Man Miles Morales. but then, I started to like him when I learned about the story arcs he was involved like Spider-Men(when he met 616 Peter Parker), Cataclysm(where he's fighting 616 Galactus), and Secret Wars. He had his own Clone Saga which was way better than the Spider-Man Clone Saga with Ben Reilly. right now, Miles Morales is going to fight Carnage in the event, Carnage Reigns. For me, Miles Morales is his own Spider-Man because he's "doing his own thing". He's being himself. This is why I love Miles Morales as Spider-Man, because he stands out from Peter Parker. He's one of my favorite Black Superheroes next to Luke Cage, Falcon, and Black Panther. Let's face it, I want to read Miles Morales from the Ultimate Universe before I get started on his 616 runs.

Miles is OK. His original stories are good, but when they do versions of Pete's stories, multiversal, clones, high school, all that goes through my head is Pete's done this all already

Turning Miles into a sidekick would be a horrible idea after he was the Spider-Man from the ultimate universe. I get the idea of why they don’t cross over the Spider-Men when they are so close can be frustrating though, but I understand the writers trying to give them room to breathe.

I read the entire ultimate run without being spoiled about Peter some years back and as heart broken as I was about that, I ended up loving Miles a ton. Then secret wars happened, I kept up with Miles for like 16 issues and dropped it for exactly the issue of Peter and Miles being in the same city but still acting like they were in two sepreate universes. A waste of Peter's death and my own personal one more day retcon with Miles' new backstory.

I love the fact you used miles morales show how many miles Peter and miles are away from each other lol 10:34

I think it's soooo funny that miles is not allowed to be a side-kick, yet the training montage in the movie felt very part-time sidekick-ie. And in the games, Miles 10000% feels like a side-kick. The same way Nightwing feels kinda like a "sidekick-but-not".

They should have separated Miles in a full Nightwing fashion , making him his own character

I find it hilarious how Benny mentions how he can't remember the assessor's name, and promptly says "all I remember is he assesses Miles" 😂

The issue is that this is a problem for most comics. A majority of heroes are stationed in NewYork, how any crime happens there is a mystery. Generally heroes are condensed to tightly into very popular places, but how much crime are you going to fight in Montana. As the list of heroes expands it’s only going to become more pronounced. Having alternate universes is a good way to pair the amount down and keep them where they make the most sense.

They made it seem like he can’t hold his own. He’s still superhuman with a spider sense and unique electric powers. He should be able to beat mostly everyone he faces.

I literally asked for this in the last one. Let's go. Also 10:34 is the perfect pun 😂. It would be fine if they weren't teaming up as much if they stopped acting like Miles is weak. I wasn't aware he was supposed to remember his past which makes it more dumb because he always seems to be scared now when he had mad confidence in the ultimate universe after he started getting used to his powers. I really became aware of the problem when Miles had his birthday and Peter came by, said happy birthday, and then gave him a place to check out for villain activity on HIS BIRTHDAY and then dipped immediately. Miles was not even comfortable putting on the suit cause he was kidnapped and he for some reason doesn't want to tell Peter (but if that's his level of relationship I wouldn't either cause that is so out of character for Peter to get someone else to deal with something especially when they are a teen and especially when it's their birthday). The other thing is they keep copying storylines Peter had for no reason. If Miles is in another universe and had a clone saga I can see that but why does he have to have one in the 616 universe (also they rely on his uncle to much to move the plot cause their relationship should not be the same has Peter and the green goblin).

Someone had to say it. Miles was one of my favorite spider-men as a kid. No one can beat Pete, though. He's the OG.

It's funny because I remember when they decided "Hey we made Kaine normal after Spider-Island, let's give him a series" And right away they sent him to Houston, Texas and he did his own stuff.

Thank You! I literally couldn't agree more! This is the problem I have with Miles, I feel like they just shoehorn him into stuff now with little character development and kinda makes him feel more like a "sidekick" rather than Spider-Man, most of the time. They really should have never ended the Ultimate universe. I will make two small corrections, Mile's first costume was a Cosplay/Halloween costume and his second costume the black and red suit was given to him by SHIELD.

That is crazy how close they are. I actually had an idea for a fanfic where Spider-Man is chasing a villain, swings down a street to cut off said villain but ends up crashing into a warehouse where Daredevil is surrounded by Hand ninjas fighting for Fisk. Daredevil remarks that Spider-Man arrived just in time. So then Peter has to play it off like he had meant to do this and figure out what’s going on. (If any Marvel comic writers are watching this video, please use this idea 😆)

I completely disagree! There's so many characters that have this problem that I don't see it as a problem anymore or at least a problem not specific to Miles. New York in general is overcrowded with heroes from Moonknight, the Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Luke Cage etc. And there's so many stories that essentially fall apart when you question why these heroes aren't communicating with each other or never have regular interactions (outside of the plot). Worse than that it seems like they each carry their own set of Villains with very little overlap. People like Kingpin seem to get around a lot but like you never see the Green Goblin or Doc Ock or Sandman having a one on one with Luke Cage or MoonKnight or Daredevil. Are you telling me they only rob banks in SpiderMans neighborhood? On there other hand whole criminal organizations like the Hand almost NEVER run into Spiderman.

So they keep them living 15 minutes from each other but instead of doubling down and at least having them team up they decide to have it make no sense. My protégé Miles has been missing, what should I do? Nothing. This is so contradictory...

I think the greatest fall of Miles as a character is how desperate Marvel is trying to push him as "Spiderman" just so they can plasture black spiderman everyone. That worked in the ultimate universe not only because it was a different universe for the actual purpose of being a different universe, but Peter Parker is dead in that universe and actually got a honorable departure to his life and story(not rushed and character assassinated for the sake of pushing someone new) So he's addition was generally a nice replacement, especially since he didn't feel to force into the spiderman role/name. Now, not only is it awkward that he's named spiderman when spiderman is literally right there and alive, which is kinda weird that no one has a issue with Miles basically commiting ID theft with a living hero's name. But now so much of Miles just wrap around going, "Miles is Spiderman! Miles is Spiderman, look he did this Spiderman like thing!" that it makes him addition to the name "spiderman" feel extremely fake. Hell, the PS4 Miles game pissed me off cause they straight up had a civilian go, "See I always liked spiderman but I kinda wished he looked like me" a year after spiderman had to fight 6 super villain bad guys in a short amount of time while curing/saving a entire city from being poison. I repeat, this man witness 1 person over the course of like a week or two, fight SIX high grade Super Powered Villains while ALSO trying to save a city that was wide-spread poisoned. And his thought process was "Damn he saved us all....... Wish he was blacked though" which is more pissing off when you realize Peter had to let Aunt May die and this guy is more concerned about what Peter's skin color is. So yeah, I feel like that's what soured Miles as a character. He should've had a name change and possible costume change when he moved over to the main universe that way he has his own space and name, and can be incorperated to Spiderman projects without being invasive about it.

Do they let ANY spider person grow properly? Also, here's an alternative supername for Miles: Spider Shock. What's that? It's derivative? Ohhhhhhh NooOoOoo!

17:45 In the pre-Crisis continuity, Metropolis is located in the east side of Delaware, while Gotham is located in the southwest side of New Jersey. The two cities have a bridge that connects to each other, making sure that they’re the World’s Finest Cities.

The name thing is also my problem with the Batgirls book. I think instead of them calling each other batgirl, they should just be referred to as The Batgirls by news outlets as enemies because they are the girl bats. But they should refer to each other by their alternative codenames like oracle and spoiler.

I genuinely agree with this video. Miles being in his own separate universe made him more unique. I feel like there is too many Spider people in 616 alone, Kaine and Ben should be the only spider characters in 616 (not counting Spider Woman as I consider her separate from the whole Spider-Man mythos). As long as Miles is in the same universe where Peter is alive, he will always be the OTHER Spider-Man it doesn’t matter how many stories establish that he is Spider-Man if Peter is literally right there.

I know they try to throw Peter in there every now and then. Honestly at this point the two should just have a book together. Cuz I refuse to believe Miles goes missing that long and Peter doesn't tear the city a new one looking for him. Sometimes they remember, "oh yeah Miles is Peters protege!" The two should be fighting machines and so much can be done with the dynamic. But we're to focused on making Peter miserable and Miles to stand out in a city of full of spider people. Especially since he's sharing villains now and the ones that are his own are a real mixed bag.

And there's also the fact that with merchandise, Miles is called Miles Morales and Peter is called Spider-Man. Miles isn't even called Ultimate Spider-Man on the merch. The only time I've actually seen Miles' costume called Ultimate Spider-Man is on Spider-Man: Edge of Time. And that's because he wasn't introduced yet or something. And the fact that when you say Spider-Man, you'll immediately think "red and blue, black around the eyes, Queens, great power responsibility, Peter", you don't think "black and red, Brooklyn, great expectations, Miles". You only think that when you say Miles Morales. Miles is rarely ever called Spider-Man on anything except his own universe. The Ultimate universe. Edit: I wrote this halfway thru listening to the video. He did point out the name thing. Now I know.

"Put him in California" You don't even need to go that far. Have him get into College in Massachusetts and send him to Boston. That way he keeps that east coast vibe and if they actually wanted him to pop back into New York for a visit, its a bus ride.

I always maintain miles Morales Spider-Man only works in his own universe from the very beginning and putting him in the mainstream marvel universe was really bad idea from the very beginning in my opinion.

I’ve grown to really like Miles more through the years and so heavily agree that Miles always works best as his own main hero. He is Spider-Man after all and the only thing I’ve seen really work well with Miles and Peter working together is Insomica’s Spider-Man games where they do team up and help each other a lot. Peter is truely his mentor and gonna actually be able to play as both of them in the next game. ITSV Miles is my favorite Miles to date. He is his own universes Spider-Man and he was able to still have a grown Peter be his mentor but again he’s able to be on his own.

Miles is the inverse of Peter but only superficially Peter is poor, Miles is middle class Peter was an outcast, Miles was relatively popular Peter is an orphan raised by a single parent, Miles has a full family Peter went to public school, Miles goes to private This is what we call "Going WIDE and NOT DEEP". The writers have YET to dive deep into ANY of this to write compelking stories and characters around him so Miles just borrows Peter's villains for the most part. Its so SAD😭. He has no villains written AROUND his character...because he has NO noteworthy CHARACTER traits outside of being a COWARD(which they didnt dive into fully at all, like they constsntly play on Peters selfishness and anger issues) just superficial traits. If I were to ask you what Miles stood for, you'd have no answer, unlike with just about any other well estalbished to even B list Heroes He doesnt even have a well established Archenemy yet and he's been around for 10 PLUS YEARS🤦‍♂️. His most popular villain Prowler...is just an alt universe version of PETER'S PROWLER. I mean COME ON. He had a game and technically a movie...and he just fought versions of PETERS VILLAINS. I say technically because the original draft of the film actually dove deeply into Miles personal story, the finished draft left us with CRUMBS in comparison to shift focus to the Spiderverse aspects...funnily enough they are ALL more interesting that Mikes himself...even Gwen who was just a WHAT IF story😭💀. And in the next spiderverse he is fighting yet ANOTHER Peter villain😐🤦‍♂️ I get that he took up the mantle but Even Batman Beyond had his OWN villains with some loose easter eggs of older ones. Miguel Ohara is a waaaay better character than Miles...because he has an ACTUAL CHARACTER to build original stories on and not just rehash Peter's stories...not to mention all his powers outside base phsyical enhancements work different to Peter's. Miles on the other hand just has two UNDRdeveloped plot devices tacked on to Peters powers🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ This wouldnt be so bad if Marvel actually PROPERLY ESTABLISHED the Spider Family but they have proven time and time again that recently they have NO IDEA what to do with ANY of these spider characters. Cough Chasm Cough. Thank god for the spiderverse movies cause the comics are TRASH🤦‍♂️ Miles has Potential and A LOT of it...but he will NEVER achieve it if 1. Keeps carrying the name of a character with 60 years of LEGACY in a universe where that character is still alive 2. Has NO DEFINED origin story since unlike Peter In EVERY adaptation for Miles they just keep switching the location of his Spider Bite and his motivations. Hence why in the span of 2 years we get 2 completely different adaptations for him Spiderverse that is closer to the comics and The game...where they legit just made him...Peter, he's smart as Peter AND enthusiastic about being Spider-Man when its supposed to be the opposite💀.

This is the thing that bugs me the most is that they won't give Miles a new hero name. He needs a new name to grow as his own character. I first thought they would do it when they gave him the new costume, the one where it was basically an oversized hoodie, and him just wearing a ski mask. It brings up this issue of why DC and Marvel are not selling many books, and that is because you have multiple books named Spider-Man or Batman on them, which makes it so confusing for anyone wanting to start reading them. Also, Dc is now having this issue with there now being Batman Bruce Wayne and Batman Tim Fox in the I Am Batman series.

Metropolis and Gotham being so close always makes me laugh cause imagine having one side of the river sunny and rainbows while the other side is always cloudy and dark

It's strange that Marvel never took the cue from Nightwing to give Miles a new city to take care of. 616 Brooklyn can't be the same as Ultimate Brooklyn anyway, might as well have him start out in a new place

That restaurant analogy was brilliant Benny. I like Laura Kinney better as X23. I liked her look better and I actually liked the name X23. I think Miles would have been better if they gave him a different name and a more original costume. Black Recluse?

What makes perer parker so powerful is his admiration of a great man which is uncle ben. Uncle bens influence on peter parker makes him so powerful. It their character.

You’re forgetting when Miles joined 616, Miguel O’Hara was stuck in the past, so there were three active Spider-Men running around.

I am used to Peter Parker as Spider-Man.

For me, Miles character arc is a simple one. A younger Spider-man that has Peter as his mentor. How ever that arc never became reality, and it's too late now.

1:20 we like miles because instead of turning Peter Parker Spiderman black they created a new character that is also good

This is what I've been saying for years. Miles morales worked because he was taking over the mantle, and Peter's story was finished.

I don’t see how them being within the same city and not teaming up every day is an issue. Let’s not forget how many other superheroes are also in New York and they all barely interact with each other. We have the fantastic 4, the avengers, daredevil, dr. Strange, and so many others and yet they don’t interact with each other all the time. It’s not hard to believe miles and Peter only interact once in a while.

I think their is a bigger problem with Miles as it feels that the creators just gave up on him. Like they are trying to De-age Peter to have young adult adventures which, just saying, would work just as easy with Miles. Let's let Peter grow up, be an adult, have a family... Let's let Miles be the young teenager trying to figure life out. I loved the "Renew your vows" books for this reason. Also, Miles really does need a new name. The "Kid Arachnid" (Which was the actual name) didn't work. In the Disney Jr cartoon, they acknowledge 2 "Spider-Man" would be problematic so they renamed him "Spin" which is even worse. I dunno. He needs his own identity. (But yes, now he really is one in a million Spider-men)

Bro just said $41 to drive down the street is cheep 💀 $41!? Pete definitely not paying that 😂

Listen, if you’re not from NY, don’t go by the miles away. NY has buildings, subways, and is packed. Queens and Manhattan are no where near walking distance from each other. No one walks the length of NYC…

In Disney+’s Spidey and His Amazing Friends, Miles Morales is a Spider-Man with the codename “Spin”.

They ruined Miles, by not having him be the Ultimate Universe’s starting Spider-Man.

It's so weird hearing benny talking about marvel now when he meant to say all new all different. Marvel now was the beginning of hickman's avengers/new avengers, superior spiderman, bendis's all new xmen which lead to hickman's secret wars which is what lead to all new all different, which is where laura kinney wolverine happens.

Marvel and DC have such a problem with creating new universes, then merging it with their old stuff. Their strategy really breaks down to doing a new continuity for new readers, so it’s not as intimidating, THEN merging it and making them learn the old stuff. It’s like they wanna punish the reader for getting into their new ideas with bloated ass lore. It’s so stupid. This is why comics sell less than manga. It’s just so much simpler to get into

To be honest that can be said about all the other superheroes based out of New York in the marvel universe, how come they never interact but I get what you're saying about letting Miles be his own hero.

I think Miles is in a great place rn currently. He's far better than the Garbage they are doing with Jon Kent and Superman. I certainly think he's better than the other spiders out rn. Kaine and Ben Reilly have been garbage for decades. Only niche people know about them. They are also discount Peters. Even in the PS4 they have a great sidekick relationship that works. The comics unfortunately haven't gone there because spiderman writing has been nothing but dogwater (and it still is). But Miles definitely still sets him apart dude to the movies and games. It's just in the comics he's in a weird place but thats ok. There is certainly far worse and more ruined characters (flash family, batman, black panther, fantastic four)

Bro they dead should just call him the Brooklyn Spider and call it a day. Honestly I think that would roll off the tongue perfectly

Honestly, I'd prefer Miles G. Morales/ Vigilante Prowler over Miles Morales/ Spiderman. Just seems to work far better than ANOTHER spiderman.

Good to meet a fellow fan of Miles Morales from the comics. They way they treat a character is super important. The money isn't always the answer.

I still like the idea miles being validated as spider-man, but I always thought is would be cool if he inherited the name prowler cause it’s a really cool name and I would be like him clearing the prowlers bad rep as well

"THEY'RE ON THE ROOFTOPS, WITH EXPLOSIONS!!"

7:42 Miles: Didn't you die? Peter: That was a long time ago, things change

Is kinda funny how Marvel and DC had the same problem with two heroes that can cross the multiverse have two persons wearing the same name. Peter and Miles as Spider-Man and Barry and Wally as The Flash. And what’s weird is that there was a comic from DC (can’t remember the name now) that had Barry tell Wally “You’re not my sidekick. No matter what the others say. You’re a Flash. If anything, you’re my partner” and that made me smile. Cause they made both Barry and Wally both be the Flash, while not giving less value to either of them. Marvel could’ve done something like that for Miles and Peter now that they’re on the same universe. True, having them on the same city is the big issue. So make Miles move somewhere else and make him the Spider-man of that city feels right. Heck, on the Miles Morales game they had to take Peter away from New York so Miles can have his personal challenges. That trip with MJ was just a plot key to take Peter away, and just on this new game we’ll have them actually team up like they should do normally.

It usually depends on the continuity.

As a New Yorker, the way the subway works the only way to get to Queens from Brooklyn is to travel in this crazy roundabout way through the Bronx, Manhatten, and finally Brooklyn, it'll take you like an hour and a half or more, depending on where in Brooklyn you're going. Or you can take the LIRR and get there in 25 minutes but they only travel like once an hour, and it'll cost you $15 buck, and even then you'll be in downtown Brooklyn and still have to take the subway for up to an hour or more depending on where in Brooklyn you want to go.

I agree. Personally, I like how 616 has a whole bunch of spider-men. Then they even just added spider-boy, but you are right if miles and peter are so close, they need to interact a lot more. Miles even said in the first spider-verse event that he looked up to peter, and with the way people are hating on 616 peter rn, giving him a better mentor role in miles life where he can actually pass on his 20 years of experience instead of peter's whole character revolving around MJ would improve his character. They should get a series like Deadpool/spider-man from 2016. But a way for them to give miles his own character again is since he is about to graduate let him go to college in another state.

Idk who’s spending $45 on an uber…but I feel like Peter “respects” Miles to let him do his thing. The whole missing for a month was weird. I did think that “end of spider-verse” was how they were going to get Miles his own universe again and be on some “no more multiversal travel.” But I do agree that it might be time for Miles, once he graduates hs, to get his own city. Maybe (hopefully) that’s what Marvel is waiting for? Idk, he’s getting his own carnage story this summer so we’ll have to see what happens with that.

The problem with Miles is that he was NEVER an interesting character, to begin with; from the beginning, he was just a blackwashed version of Peter Parker(sure, some little details were different, invisibility and piece of a shit uncle, but overall, he was very much the same). I was around the internet and on Twitter, and I can tell you almost nobody liked him as a replacement for Peter in the ultimate universe and even called him a cheap knock. Even the creator admitted that Miles's purpose was to be a diverse replacement. The character wasn't ruined; he was dead on arrival. Does that mean he doesn't have potential; Hell no! Look at the movie Into the Spider-Verse, that movie pretty much fixed him or made him a better character than in the comics. It's a shame really, watching this video his character has become a wasted potential.

Another issue is that (Unless I've missed a BIG change) Miles is a KID! We've consistently seen how Peter feels like the super kids around him need a check in. There's no reason that Miles cause struggle with ANY big BIG thing and Peter doesn't at least ASK if he needs help. Miles needs to move and be the middle child in another city: "Why don't we have the REAL Spider-Man?" Yeah it's been done,but when Peter isn't 5 minutes down the road we know why cause he isn't down the road he's half the country away! Miles in the comics needs to go back to what movie Miles has: No choice but to be the dude behind the mask cause the other dudes aren't and CANT come to help. Also if you still want him to have an older Spider-Man who's there, but is more "Do it yourself" energy? Include Ben(idc dark web SUCKED to me personally) or scrap that include KANE. A Spider-Man who's more willing to let Miles get his teeth kicked in cause he knows sometimes Spider-Man needs that reality check.

$41 is cheap? LOL. That is a scary idea for someone to claim that is cheap. Unless you are the CEO of a company that is absurdly expensive. That could pay for 30 gallons of gas. That is like 2-3 weeks of non-stop driving on a gas-efficient car. That is also like HALF the amount it cost for a week of groceries if you are cooking meals. That is HALF the price of wifi, or a cellphone plan. That is a lot of money.

I don't want nobody bashing me but miles is not my favorite Spider-Man.

the title is giving spider man lotus

For me, I always took it as so much craziness happens in new york, that they are both kept busy. In one issue (after thd Accessor stuff) Peter stops by Miles home on his b-day and gives him a mission he was gonna investigate in Brooklyn....but decided it would be best left to brooklyn's spider-man During Mile's clone arc Peter tried to help, but Miles wanted to handle this personally. New York has several heroes, each story would be a crossover for many heroes of they all decided to handle the same crimes.

High key there are no more stories for Peter Parker. The character is like 70 years old it would just make sense for the books to pass the torch like a while ago now

I feel like if Peter and Miles were to coexist, there needs to be a relationship between them. If not a mentor-mentee then at least a partnership. What Insomniac is doing with Peter and Miles is working wonders, and even the Spider-Man Life Story story run had Miles as Peter's student. There is so much potential to be had from the dynamic between the two. But of course, having Peter be a mentor to Miles would mean Peter growing up, which Marvel Editorial is heavily allergic against, lol.

Miles just gets sloppy seconds from Pete story lines villains even his girlfriend Gwen wither they are together or not that’s peters dead ex Eric July goes more in depth with miles

To a lesser extent, this is my problem with Marvel in general. A good sized chunk of Marvel's roster is based in, or from NYC, so it takes a huge suspension of disbelief for there not to be CONSTANT crossovers

Miles is so low on the totem anyway. There are so many better spiders - peter, kaine, ben, miguel, Silk, may parker and even superior otto. Miles right now, just feels like a very average at best retelling of all the shit peter has done.

Miles just needs to become Nightwing to Peter's Batman. Drop the spider-man moniker give him his own name (doesn't need to be spider connected), keep his abilities and let him do his own thing

I disagree. Bringing Miles into 616 works because his stories don’t revolve around Peter. Miles is his own person with his own relationships within the 616 universe. Peter is just one of those relationships. He’s been an avenger (which is why he’s cool with Tony) and even started his own team The Champions with Ms. Marvel and Nova. His stories tend to be more about his inner circle and personal struggles. It works especially because of the age difference between him and Peter. Miles is a high school Spider-Man and Peter is dealing with adult issues. Also as someone from New York, Brooklyn and Queens isn’t within walking distance at all. NYC is super dense. If you lived in Brooklyn and your gf lived in queens you might as well be in a long distance relationship. Also having 2 Spider-Man shouldn’t be an issue. It worked with The Flash and Green Lantern. Miles stood the test of time in real life and is super popular. People know the difference between him and Peter they’re both called Spider-Man. It’s fine

Why does that Spider-Man’s “sidekick” look like he wearing a Spider-Man pajama with the color red and blue swap. 😂

As someone from New York. I gotta say you’re wrong. Depending on what part of Brooklyn Miles is from, he might not be close enough to be seen my Peter. New York is a lot bigger and spread out then you think cause of the map. And a lot of their stories take place in the city/Manhattan. Which is lot busier/ large than queens or Brooklyn and harder to see cause of the big buildings

We never needed a black spider man, it's just pandering.

The issue is basically that they want Peter and Miles to both be Spider-Man. Not a mentor and protégee, not sidekick or teammates. They are both Spider-Man, and by giving one another title, you basically say "He's the less important one"

I like that the movie & Sony games at least clean this up a little by using both of those options: in the films Peter’s dead so Miles is the only, while in the games they do just partner up and patrol together (unless otherwise occupied)

Problem is he shares too much with Peter Parker to be his own character. He's never allowed to be his own character. I agree he works better in the Ultimate universe. Even in the animated movies, he learned what it means to be Spider-man. And instead of taking that and giving Miles a movie where he is the Spiderman of his universe, he's back to saving the Multiverse. This would be like if they made No Way Home 2, after Tom Holland's version learned what it meant to be Spiderman. It's like they don't have faith in the character of Miles enough to give him his own movie. It has to feature other versions to carry the movie.

Miles is Miles. Peter Parker is spider-man.

I think the problem is a bit bigger than that by now. We have all these different Spider-People and they're all from the same universe, yet they don't work together. We have Peter as Spider-Man and his daughter Mayday as Spider-Girl, ok. Then we have Ben and Kaine as Scarlet Spider, alright. Then there's Cindy as Silk and Miles as "the other Spider-Man". Yes, I know there are a whole bunch of Spider-Women like Julia Carpenter, Mattie Franklin and all of that, but I don't know much about them, nor do I really care to find out, so I'd rather just leave that for later. So for starters, this group of Spider-People needs to be established, like the Web Warriors. For example, each of them could act on a different section of the city. One for Peter, one for Mayday, one for Ben, one for Kaine, one for Cindy and one for Miles. Once that's settled, then comes another issue: different identities. No, I don't care if Spiderverse or Insomniac managed to make it work, sharing identities does not work like that and it needs to stop. I mean, did everyone forget that Ben Reilly replaced Peter for a while? 'Cuz I sure didn't. Now look at him, he's not Spider-Man, and that's great. He's not quite the full on solo hero he should be, but at least people know him without thinking of Spider-Man, and the same should happen with him and Miles (the Scarlet Spider title fits Kaine more so Ben should get a new one). Once that's settled, then comes the final issue: crossover. Just like any other superhero team, all these Spider-People need a few things to really embrace that. They could have secret headquarters, with all they need for their endeavors, and all with something for them to keep in touch, in case one needs help or needs to alert another or just wants to call for a hangout. They won't live together or anything, but they could like meet each other during a chill session. And that's it. All 6 Spider-People, each with their own identities, skills and fields, fully set to work solo or in a team, and ready to swing around town.

Honestly, to me thats always been the biggest problem with every fucking character being based in New York. Like, the fact that every issue isn't a team up is insane when both Spider-Men, Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and the entire fucking Avengers are all in the same city

Honesty since the day he came out all I've heard from old heads is "he's not peter! He's not white!" Not my opinion but what I've always heard from older guys. And he is one of my favorites because he has the complex where he doesn't think he will ever be as good as Peter Parker and live up to his hero! It felt real to me reading those pages!

They tried to put him up alongside Peter Parker, while still calling him "Spider-Man" That isn't bound to end well.

Man this is like if knightwing never moved out of Gotham

When you mentioned taxi prices I thought you were about to plug an affiliate for Uber 🤣

To me he always sucked Miguel is the only Spider-Man besides Peter I accept