The Problem with RMC... 

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For those of you unfamiliar, a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy. At the end block zone is a method of stopping the train in case the block zone ahead is occupied. This is the safety system that prevents roller coaster trains from colliding with one another

My issue with RMCs are their restraints that are not accommodating. Especially for tall, long leg people like myself.

I feel like their designs are overly aggressive with forces on the structures. Steel Vengeance is tearing itself apart. I'm curious to see how their Wild Moose family coaster will do

I personally got to experience ArieForce One, and yes they kind of hurt, it still is an awesome finale. I can't really compare it to anything, but unless the metal part of the seatbelt gets between somewhere uncomfortable (like your leg) and the restraint, it shouldn't be that bad for enthusiasts. Regular coaster riders probably will not enjoy those hills. I LOVE 'EM.

I think RMC should make 2 small changes to their restraints: 1) move the seat belt buckle to the side, to avoid the metal buckle being able to be under the lap bar. 2) widen the width of the lap bars. There is too much force over the thin lap bar and this distributes too much force to a small area on your legs. Widening it would increase comfort.

one thing i dont like about rmc are their extremely loud anti rollbacks

I've ridden both Mean Streak and Steele Vengeance as well as The Texas Rattler and Iron Rattler... I'd say that if it wasn't for the brilliance of RMC, those 2 coasters would be long gone.... The last time I rode MS, I wanted off the damn thing before the half way mark... It was soooo rough Chiropractors were setting up offices just outside the park.. I didn't mind the "coils" part of Texas Rattler, they were fun. . Wish RMC would have kept them...

I honestly feel like RMC’s have become too aggressive and the anti-rollbacks have just gotten louder and louder. I’ve been needing to cover my ears on the lift hill of Wildcat’ a revenge which hasn’t happened on any other RMS I’ve ridden. However, I think RMC’s are somewhat comfortable, except there’s pretty much nowhere to hold onto like Steel Vengeance, and I love having my hands up on roller coasters. And I’m glad you know about the groundhog issue, it hasn’t been fully addressed but still way better than before. Great video by the way :)

I beg to differ from your opinion about 1st and 2nd gen trains. The first gen restraints seem to come down during the ride, but the second gen restraints are neutral, and require serious force to push up after the restraints are unlocked. In a sense, Neutral. During the ride, the lapbars never come down, and I have gotten so many rides on second gen trains with probably wayyy too much room, but the train returns to the station with the same amount of room every time (at least for me).

I don’t get it enthusiasts are impossible to make happy. Everyone asked for crazier airtime and more airtime. They got what they wanted and now everyone trash talks vengeance for being repetitive airtime. The airtime everyone asked for was delivered but now everybody hates it. Everyone wanted more extreme and arieforce delivered, but now it’s “uncomfortable.” Everyone asked for it but nobody is happy now that we have it.

I've never been bothered by RMC trains. I ride Twisted Timbers all the time, and the restraints are just fine. The lap bar barely comes down during the ride, and I never even notice the shin guards during the ride. I did ride Lighting Rod, and the restraints definitely came down much harder on that ride. I had to hold up the restraint to not get stapled before the first wave turn. I'm not 100% sure if that's because of a difference between the old and new trains, but that's what I assume.

After Steve I had a purple bruise on my leg that’s the one thing I hate about rmc

The groundhog issue was so unexpected lol

There are a couple of things I've noticed. I'm not knocking CF but they seem to have issues with everyone but B&M. They had issues with Intamin, RMC, now Zamperla with their Wild Mouse. It's strikes me as odd. Also it didn't seem to me that RMC had many issues with SF and they bought a ton of them. The early Raptors are prototypes so I can them having issues and the launched woodie was a bad idea. They're not perfect by any means but considering their cost I don't think they're all that unreliable either.

I wish all the hybrids had trains like Iron Rattler’s. It’s hands down the most comfortable train of any RMC I’ve experienced

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I feel like I'm the only person on the planet that is perfectly comfortable with RMC restraints.

On Steve I was flung into the restraint and it hurt but I still loved it and it’s my number one so I’m basic and that’s my only complaint with steve😅

Lol did you just call steel vengeance Steve. I love this we need to make this a inside joke!

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Whenever there is strong ejector air, there are complaints about restraints. Go figure. As a regular Twisted Timbers rider, I didn't find AF1's finale bad, you go into it in pretty good shape, buck and bronco a bit and then it's over. However it is the only major coaster there so not entirely logical.

My biggest problem with RMC are if your thighs are bigger than 8" in diameter+ you'll get walk of shamed

I always wondered how to old wood would hold up. I would be using steel on some inversions and areas or using ann new wood etc. They make wooden coaster layouts more interesting.

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Personally, ArieForce One is my favorite RMC because the rest of the layout is just incredible. You really do have to ride defensively for those last ejector hills though, it’s not just something you can let loose and enjoy. Intamin is the best manufacturer in the business for me. My top 2 are both Intamin coasters.

I think people also forget that RMC has only been building there own coasters for 13 years. They are still figuring things out to a point. I think there biggest challenge will be how to stay on top of the game as other manufacturers start catching up. They have built up their catalog with some hugely popular rides now it’s time for them to focus in on the quality and reliability.

I found the airtime on Arieforce fine, but the brakes hurt like hell.

I think each of the major thrill coaster manufacturers has a pro that is also a con. RMC is cool because they are a scruffy young manufacturer that came out punching way above their weight. That's cool because we've been given such amazing rides but it's a con because they don't have a enough of a history or portfolio to actually know how to avoid major mistakes with such aggressive projects. Intamin is ambitious but perhaps too ambitious. They are willing to try anything or go for any record. As such they've had some similar problems that Arrow had where they had bit off more than they could chew. And while they make great rides, the more ambitious the ride is the less reliable it is. Fortunately, they've been around long enough to learn from mistakes. B&M is reliable and predictable. This is great because if your park is getting a B&M you know it'll be good. And your park will be happy because it'll be open. But in being predictable, they generally aren't going to build something that feels unprecedented or unmissable. It'll be great but in most (not all) cases a B&M won't be the star of the show for a major park. Vekoma seems to have learned a lot of lessons and that is great. But they still seem to want to be the cheaper B&M where they have a reproducible reliable product but they aren't as flexible with what they can do with that product unless you really pay big bucks. I could go on. Gerstlauer wants to be small and compact but they've sort of pigeonholed themselves into that (except in a few European cases.) GCI and Gravity Group make aggressive woodies which is cool but it means they are doomed to become rough very quickly unless a park is willing to invest a ton in maintenance. S&S isn't quite sure what it wants to be so it's either overly cookie cutter or doing something WAY out in left field with no idea what they are doing. MACK is branching out but that also means they're still getting their bearings.

My 1st time riding a RMC was steel vengeance at cedar point when it was 1st built ..since then I’ve been to 6 amusement parks around the world based off the fact that they have a RMC COASTER😩I’m riding atleast 5times in a row! Hopefully they can do better with their coaster issues in the future

I agree with RMC kicking butt, but B&M always makes a heavyweight monster and still is my fave.

The only exception for rmc airtime with shin guards is steel vengeance, that ride is airtime heaven

I have never ridden a Raptor before so I don’t know how the restraints. However, I have ridden an I-Box hybrid before at SFOG. The lap bars were comfortable in my opinion if I can remember since I haven’t been to my home park since 2018

The restraint on Steel Vengeance at Cedar Point was too bulky for my gut and couldn't ride it. But yeah they're not as comfortable as Maverick next door!

6:20 Yea the brake run is more uncomfortable than the hills, the hills aren’t that bad if you know what you’re doing but the brake run is never great. But it feels funny because it’s even forceful

I've only been on SteVe, Jersey Devil and Twisted Timbers. I personally don't find the trains uncomfortable. Maybe its just my size and body weight but I never had an issue with the seats and restraints. However, I really agree with the rest of your points. SteVe gets Very repetitive itself. Very thoughtful video and compelling argument.

Just rode Arie Force One last weekend…the airtime in the end is extremely strong, but not bad…but I will agree the final brake is a bit too aggressive.

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I like the restraint a lot. Chin guards are an L tho

That stupid groundhog stopped me from riding wildcats revenge

I hate their hybrid coaster restraints so much, I spend the whole ride thinking about how good it would be if I wasn't stapled and in pain from the lap bar alone. The only ones out there I think are worse are intamin's prefab wood coaster trains.

RMC founder Fred Grubb and the brilliant designer Alan Schilke retired before ArieForce and Wildcat's Revenge. It might take some time to develop the new talent.

Arie force one is just a RMC restraint problem... Also as a european who gets spoiled by new gen intamin and new gen vekoma, like fly at my homepark, my opinion of RMC is a bit mediocre, there restraints just annoy me so fucking hard, untamed is rly good.... but man, those trains are a pain in the buttt

Didn't really know of the problems behind the scenes just had one problem with downtime on a raptor and weather had been pretty horrible the day before. Well they have become a famous builder might be time for them to outsource their problems and just ask for more money. As fas as the coasters go i haven't ridden a bad RMC yet having said that Those raptors do feel kind of rattly for coasters that are this new so i have to wonder how well they age. As for the constraines i used the be pretty fat and those restrained really hurt on those ejector airtime hills with me bodyfat flapping in and out of the restraines. Now that i lost most of it and be being also not that long the restraines are fine for me. The raptors however have to wide a seating and make my hips cramp up so i need a break after 3 or 4 rides.

Ive enjoyed every RMC I've ridden, woth the exception on Lightning Rod. I thought it was rough, and just painful. I dont ever need to ride it again. The others Ive been on (Wicked Cyclone, Twisted Colossus, Twisted Timbers, Iron Gwazi, Steel Vengeance, Goliath, and Stunt Pilot) were all enjoyable. I have to agree, though...the trains and restraints are really uncomfortable. I think that their rides all use the same bag of tricks over and over, similar to B&M. Im also not a huge fan of some of the things they do with banking. Im hoping to see them do some new rise types, going forward. Change it up a bit more.

RMC needs to comes to Canada!!!

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1:33 Id just like to mention that somehow Arieforces don’t come down at all. But yeah I agree on the restraints they’re meh and sometimes take away from the ride

Very well said my dude, rmc in a nutshell: amazing layouts but bad technically

next coaster critic video when?

I Loved The Restraints Since You Will Literally Never Get Stapled With Them

I am riding AireForce One in less than a week and I am super excited and I might be riding Velocicoaster in September so I don’t the know the order yet but I guarantee my top 3 will be made up of T-Express, AireForce One, and Velocicoaster.

very nice video 🫡

3:16 damn what did lightning rod do

You forgot to mention that RMC manufactured track for Skyline rides which are/were also problematic and I heard the rides were rough and uncomfortable.

Honestly, I feel like (off the top of my head) I can only name no more than 5 existing wooden coasters that I can realistically see RMC converting over the next 5 to 10 years. And that seems worrisome from a financial stability perspective.

Coster critic with another good video (I hope more enthusiasts stop pretending they are flawless and perfect because unfortunately, they just aren't)

So I’ve been to fun spot a million times and Aeriforce one the finally just hurts other than that I love Irish don’t think it’s unpleasant it just hurts after a few rides

I hate the seatbelts, the restraints are okay themselves but the seatbelts are a huge problem, I have had terrible experiences with the seatbelts on Iron Gwazi, especially on the trick track double up.

woh, unexpected. maybe its just because the uk is stuck in 2005 and hasnt got anything new since 2012 but I loved the restraints on zadra when i went to poland last week, my fav restraints so far, better than shambhala ones and better thgan vekoma ones

Rmc,s may be repative in the states but we don't have one in the UK although they is rumours of a inside one at Alton towers project horizon

I work on outlaw run at sdc, trust me when I tell you rmc has issues.

Aire’s finale is not painful, at least if you don’t get over 5 rides lol

As someone with their top 3 containing 2 rmcs. How dare you 💀

i dont hear many people hate on rmc trains, idk where that came from

I only rode wicked cyclone at six flags new England. I'm a lanky 6 foot 4, and I don't recall being uncomfortable on the ride at all. Definitely the best ride at the park. Superman on the other hand with those old Intamin trains is terrible, I barely fit in the seat, and it's just continuous knee pain for the whole duration of the ride

I've not had this issue by my gf got bruised up from SV.

RMC's trains are the 2nd most comfortable trains to ride in. The only company more comfortable than RMC is Arrow.

The problem with rmc is they use a extremely outdated track design. People act like ibox track is this new advanced design. It's a ancient design, arrow dynamics track is technically more advanced. Ibox track is technically just a thicker version of the old steel track they used on traveling fair coasters like the wild cat, the ba Schaffer wild mouse, the Alan hershal little dipper, they all used "I box track. Problem is a square is terrible at distributing forces so over time it twists and warps. The standard double track rmc coasters will most likly ahe fine but the single rail ones are all going to become rough mechanical nightmares for their parks.

I like rmcs restraints😊

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lightning rod is just a shit show , way to ambitious ,an incline launch is one of the hardest things to get right and reliable , but they tried it , didn't work and that's okay. At least there still making something of it. Also the extra downtime on wood to hybrid conversions is something that is to be expected, they survey the exciting structure , add more supports where needed , but dealing with old wood is very unpredictable because of the nature of the material , they cant over engineer the structure to much in the design fase because that would make the ride way more expensive , so the next best thing is to see how it handles real operations and then add extra supports where needed.

RMC is fun but it’s not a true wooden.

In a way, I am kind of happy that cedar fair isn't working with RMC because I don't care for raptors or the mess cedar fair has created with the metal detection process. TSA literally is a better experience. I absolutely cannot stand getting stapled on Steel Vengeance. I can forgive how hard it is to get the back row but waiting that long in line to have all your hopes and dreams crushed by that ride op is the kind of first world pain that makes you regret having cedar point as your home park.

The restraints on Untamed are honestly fine, although on some small ocasions, the shin guards do bother me a little bit. The thing I dislike most about RMC is the ejector bunny hill spam near the end of their smaller rides, it's just so uncomfortable.

As a guy who really likes B&M, I can say that even the B&M over the shoulder restraints are better than RMC lap bars lol

Shin guards aren't great, but way better than a horse collar otsr.

Untamed is comfortable

okay, I love the restraints on RMCs and don't find them uncomfortable. Yeah, they aren't as good as B&M Gigas, or give the crazy airtime experience of just a buzz bar, but with how extreme the rides are I don't think they could get away with just a thigh restraint. On the comfort side, I have only ridden two, (Steve and Storm Chaser) but found them fine. Especially since I have also felt them done WRONG. Chance Rides' first "Mini Hyper" model at Kentucky Kingdom has nearly identical restraints to RMC, and you can directly compare because there's an RMC in the same park. The difference is, Chance's restraints were pure pain for me, beating up my shins and thighs with every airtime moment like you're describing with RMC.

I'm sorry, they ruined a lot of beautiful wooden coasters......

I disagree with the “you love rmc” statement. I don’t. Too many issues and their trains are beyond painful for me. Way too many times trying to ride SV and Lightning Rod early on plus the trains just put a bad taste in my mouth. Will I still ride each new design, yes because I love coasters, but I hate having to brave for the worst on their rides.

Their coasters are repetitive is an subjective argument not worth arguing. Twenty seconds later: in my opinion their restraints and cars are amongst the worst in the world

How DARE you be mean to baby wildcat

Intamin just better