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OK, draw the borders according to language and cult affiliation. But then what about the inevitable war for control of all of it? Imaginary lines aren’t the problem, the primitive superstitions are.
Nah, it's more like putting people who don't like each other in the same group, so that the group will do nothing. But all the people there are perfectly able of redrawing the borders as they see fit. They just don't because power play is more important than helping their people.
@@itsparker4253 he’s making a joke about how everyone blames the US fir the problems in the Middle East. The US def ain’t helped to much in the past 20 years tho lol
@@secretname4190 I disagree. This is what he left out from a middle eastern. This is not my real name. The British and French aided a Arab fellow and said to him “If you help us defeat the ottomans we will allow you to unite Arabia”. They lied and later on the House of Saud killed that Arab fellow and took what the British and French left over. The Saudis belive In whabbism a radical radical view on Islam. The Iranians are the moderates, but they get blamed for everything. Osma bin laden is from Saudi Arabia, Isis is whabbi. Shias and Sunnis got a long fine with each other for a long time before, there were wars, but not too much. Espically under the ottomans the Shia and Sunnis were fine with one another(considering 800 year rule, there were incidents) Attaturk the founder of the Turkish nation was a Shia Muslim leading a Sunni majority country and the Turks love him till this day. The U.S is the main problem. It bombs counties in defense of Israel, sounds ridiculous but true. They killed 1 million people in Iraq over a lie, it has been 19 years and we still haven't found those weapons of mass destruction. They killed Saddam yet the U.S funded Iraq when it was gassing Iranians during the iran-iraq war, then it invades them for WMD. And they are also against Assad because he is against Iseral. For instance, the U.S bombed Assad over use of chemical weapons, however Assad Chllanged them and went to the U.N and said come to Syria and investigate for yourself. However, the U.S bombed him anyway before a U.N investigation took place. The U.S ally is Iseral and everybody hates Iseral that’s the main problem. The Sunni-Shia fights kicked off due to the Saudis, espically when they destroyed imams graves, which is like destroying the grave of Jesus if There was one. The Iranians asked for peace, but no. Then Saudi excuted a Shia and then they cut diplomatic relations. On top of that let’s look at Afghanistan. The U.S funded Al Queada and the taliban to fight the Soviet Union when it invaded. It was called the “mujahideen”, which means freedom fighters, so the U.S funded people it did not know. They funded and aided Saudi Arabia, and Osma is from Saudi Arabia, 15/19 hijakers were from Saudi Arabia. The problem in the Middle East is: U.S supports Iseral and every one hates Iseral. Saudis are radicals, yet they are still being funded by the U.S. the U.S never takes responsibility and blames Iran for everything. Iran is actual very moderate (for Middle Eastern standards) and has a lot of Jews, but the U.S still calls it terrorist because it's easier to throw the blame on iran. Have you guys every heard of the U.S downing an Iranian passage plane killing 260 civilians?. Nobody mentions that incident, (you can easily look it up for more info). The commander of the ship, that shot down the jet came back to a military parade. The U.S called it an honest accident. However, when Iran did the same thing, it was intentional, and it showed how bad the government was. If Iran makes simple mistake, it is considered intentional, it was just some random dude, who fired the rocket, yet the whole government gets blamed. They should pay compensation of course, but it’s not like the whole government should be judged by one persons actions. What scares me, is that NOBODY knows that the U.S shot down an Iranian civilian plane. Like nobody. It’s not even in the history books.
@Galactic Tech Creator my apologies it is APIAC not APAC. That’s the Iserali funded lobbyist group. I mean they are doing this in plain sight. All of this sounds a bit far fetched, but look up APIAC and you will see Republican talking about Iseral. It’s APIAC that funds their campaigns in return they support Iseral.
Europe: creates Middle Eastern borders specifically to cause chaos and anarchy Middle East: falls into brutal chaos and anarchy Europe: *shocked pikachu face*
as a middle eastern who is interested in geopolitics , this is by far the most accurate explanation why is the middle east is so violent and divided, the borders were designed to cripple the middle east and keep it under control ... thank you
Countries in the Middle East today are not unstable simply because of colonial map making or because of religious or ethno-linguistic diversity. With a few exceptions (Israel-Palestine is unique in many ways), instability has to do with the dynamics of state-building and changes in political economy over the decades. Pointing at WW1 as a means to explain today's issues in the region in their totality effectively ignores decades of history, and the notion that cultural diversity leads to instability is not necessarily true, as we can see in other regions. The origin of the war in Syria is not sectarian, for example. People mobilize around ethno and religious identities to address and tackle the issues, but it isn't the issue in itself. It had to do with major changes in the state's distributive capacities, state and private investment in nonproductive economic endeavors since the late 1980s, and a failure to meet the challenges of a massive drought and resulting migration of over a million people from the countryside into the major cities in the early 2000s. "Redrawing" the map would do little to nothing to bring peace and stability because it wouldn't address the actual material issues driving sectarianism and social-political instability.
@@charleybarley7148 But countries without such serious ethnic tensions also suffer from economic and political issues (is any country spared of it at this point? I doubt so...), the difference is that those conflicts don't tend to devolve into bloody affairs or outright civil wars that may span years or even decades of political instability.
@Dark Creature in a Dark Room The idea that the problem is just borders is to ignore decades of history. It is nonsensical also because it is an argument that just goes from A to F with no intermediately variables or explanation. It is an analysis anchored in fate, which doesn't make sense. Having a multiethnic society or "artificial bordere" does not automatically condemn you to violence. There are other elements at play, from the dynamics of political economy to the failure to institutionalize a coherent and inclusive nationalist narrative.
@@charleybarley7148 and how on Earth are you supposed to establish a "coherent and inclusive nationalist narrative" when your country is made up of people who share no common cultural or religious background or even language, or share very little, or even hate each other, or have hated each other for the last couple thousand years? True, "redrawing borders" isn't going to solve the socioeconomic problems a society has, but it could help prevent tensions between groups that scapegoat each other or are oppressed by other groups, or are used by foreign powers as a means to gain power in the country, etc. That's the whole point. Of course it's a moot point nowadays that there are so many factors at play (oil reserves, geographic advantages, maritime access, not to mention foreign pressure, etc), so it will probably never be more than just speculation.
@Dark Creature in a Dark Room Youre missing my overall point for a red herring, you see that? But OK, well, there are plenty of.multiethnic countries that have been able to create a unifying narrative with varying degrees of success (like Canada). But again, as I stated, multiethnic societies are not fated to come apart. That is fatalistic nonsense that ignores history and all of the variables that come together (or dont) to establish a functioning multiethnic society.
Wait but I thought diversity is our strength?! Wouldn’t different religious and ethnic groups make a country stronger?! Sounds pretty racist to suggest otherwise to me! /s
@@nevergivingup3434 but then why do the United States, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, and many more “Western” countries preach that diversity and multiculturalism are our greatest strengths? It’s almost like different ethnic groups and different religions divide people and common nationality and religion are what makes a country unfied and strong. Yet this idea is considered white supremacy and white nationalism in the west. Hmm...
Your average people in the west are under educated on the subject but never trust our medias view on things. They are bought propaganda machines made to get the narrative they wanna push across. Very few of the average people in the west actually view the middle east as lowly as we are portrayed to
@@UnholyWrath3277 History as a subject in the west is under taught in general, although I think this is equally a result of young people struggling to relate to the past, and there is a lot of history to learn. Too much really, alongside the other important subjects. I hated history in school, but have developed an interest in it as I got older. Modern academic historians in the west (and elsewhere) take a fairly scientific approach to history, in that much of it is consensus, based on the best evidence, with peer review. Obviously there are limits to this, meaning history still has more conjecture and dispute than most scientific subjects, but my point is our historical understanding comes from a good faith desire to understand what really happened. RU-vid is actually my main source of historical information these days, and most of the documentaries I watch seem well researched and balanced, in that they don't shy away from showing the failings of our past. This video being a good example. Critical thinkers from any nation will know that there are always two or more sides to a story. Extreme patriotism is a barrier to this though.
It could be because your country spends school funds on rockets and ak47s? We already know the women aren’t going to school alalalallalalallalalallalalalla
I am a syrian refugge who needed to flee the country at the age of 14, I now live in Sweden. I never truly understood what all the conflict was about inside my own country... I've heard about the sykes-picot thing once briefly in some history lesson but I was too young and naive to focus and understand. I am 21 now, and I finally understand.... so truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for opening my eyes.
Bro all these peoples, religions, and languages were all in the same state prior to the ottoman fall. They literally had more diversity and no borders and there were no problems. The logic train just doesn't work.
@@vukmilosakovic6895 Well when you want freedom from an empire it requires war, see the americans vs the British Empire. To stop an insurgency it requires attrocities or else you get a Taliban situation where they hide amongst the civilians and blindside you. Its why Ghengis would completely level cities that resisted and kill all in them.
It's such a shame that RU-vid would demonetize a video for talking about Israel and Palestine, as well as all these other countries. This history is important for us all to know, and RU-vid should allow it.
@@snare5903 what is there no historical evidence for? The African and most of the middle eastern borders were made by Europeans, there's no denying that
He forgot to mention that Turkey was heavily backed and supplied by the Russians, while Armenia and Greece were left stranded by their allies, with Greek troops being 40 km outside Ankara.
The problem with the Middle East IS Toyota. Their black ops marketing team is responsible for every single war there so they can create demand for Toyota pick-up trucks.
The Problems with the world’s borders: *The British slowly sneaks out of the room* Because the comment section under this comment needs it: *the French; if I don’t move... maybe they won’t see moi*
English, half of the countries that are part of the UK/ Very early British Empire don’t want to be apart of it. And the reason some of our population do is because the English invaded and placed certain people in power whos ancestors still run our countries
@@liamadams5121 The world needs a total border reset, than being done so that fewer tensions will exsist. Yet all people care about is, “What will we gain?” Peace isn’t something seen as valuable in this world, atleast not by its governments!
I've been saying this to anyone asking about the Middle Eastern conflict, and I think it was summed up perfectly (missing the whole Palestine/Israel portion obviously).
@@npc3758 now there are more Muslim living in India then Pakistan but India is still stable country if India was not divided Hindu and Muslim population might be fairly be similar and Muslim might got good enough representation in politics but what ever I can't be sure better be here then in that sinario
@@hooby7045 very correct, but in the global politics of today the Middle East is much more strategically valuable than Africa because of its oil and geographic location. Which, in turn, is why we hear a lot more about the issues of the Middle East and less about Africa, generally speaking at least
@@Tawishma Countries like Nigeria and Ghana have huge petroleum and crude oil supplies, with some companies being top trading partners with the US. Not to mention the precious cobalt used for cars like Teslas or lithium for phones/electronics that come from Central Africa.
I would be interested to see one of your maps showing the colour indication of the tribes and clans. Edit- Though it's probably going to be very similar to the lingustic map!
@@bobthebuilder3615 tell me bob which country caused 911? Where did the majority highjackers come from? Hint: a gulf monarchy. Why that country is thriving while others have been destroyed. Who lied about the nuclear weapons to destroy Iraq. Who changed govt in iran and bring monarchy back there. Yes it's America and some other European countries. No wonder they hate America. And so do many other countries. Thankfully that nation is in decline.
@@joshuabarbosa4824 "To an extent"... I mean... You may design the borders to reduce co-operation but you can hardly say that would inevitably lead to war. I remember Churchill once said China ought to be split up & divided, he was called a racist, but he was right. The very reason Thatcher gave HK to the CCP and not the true successors to the Qing was due to China's power. If you look at HK, Xinjiang, Tibet, & Mongolia, one can hardly help but think China might have been a bit more peaceful had we listened to Churchill.
I would just like to point out that the Ottomans' decision to side with Germany wasn't "foolish." Winston Churchill, along with naval admirals and others in the British government, had already decided to invade because they knew they needed to convert from coal to oil. The Ottomans _tried_ to stay out of the war, and in fact had tried to form relationships with Britain and France, but these were rejected. Not only that, but at the end of July 1914, Churchill barred Turks from boarding two of their dreadnoughts being worked on in British shipyards (the Reshadieh and Sultan Osman). At the beginning of August, the Ottomans found out that Britain had basically stolen their ships. Since Germany was the one European power that actually had a working relationship with the Ottomans, they sided with them. There is of course more to it than that (lots of shenanigans by the Young Turks and the military leadership, hopes that Germany would protect them from an invasion, etc) but to say they "foolishly" sided with Germany is oversimplifying things.
People totally forget how big of a deal Dreadnoughts were back then, and just stealing them was a huge diplomatic affront. Also, Britain was meddling in Arabia. They had ports there, iirc they supported some precursor of Saudi Arabia.
While true, the two fish could still decide to stop fighting by themselves. The colonial powers may have catalysed the conflict, but it's the people (and leaders) there who have continued and maintained it for their own self interest.
@@loremipsum3610 You're forgetting the part where those people and leaders are still being pushed to and supported by the same countries who put them in that position in the first place.
So let me get this straight. We acknowledge that having different ethnicities, cultures, and religions in a same country causes major trouble in the Middle East, while simultaneously we are supposed to cheer diversity and multiculturalism in the West? Seems like a double standard to me.
yeah i had the same thought, with this logic a country like India should not exist where there are 28 states , each having their own language, also different ethnic groups.
@@PK-tt5kk The strength of a nation is measured during its difficult times, not during its good times. Once India's economic growth ends, we will see whether it is genuinely a sustainable country, or whether it is simply a relationship of convenience.
Yeah, it's easy to celebrate diversity and to tolerate others when they are not near. Statistically, most of the successful and stable countries in europe are the homogenous ones (ethnicity-wise). Edit: It's not that I'm against diversity. It's more about the fact that a group must have an agreed upon shared "story" to make it a group. It so happens that ethnicity supplies a very good communual "story" (but it doesn't have to be the "story" for each group).
Congratulations on getting one additional subscriber."me"... just for the simple fact that you called it palestine.. love the way that you share information without political influence.
Well it was the geographical name for years. And how everyone called the land, even the Jews (though it was only because Palastine was more known than Israel or Judea)
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Hello! I’m from the Middle East and I agree with everything you said in this video. The region is full of culture but ethnicity is what divides everyone. Most probably you won’t see my comment, but it would mean a lot if you could do a video on the Beirut blast of August 4th 2020 (the RealLifeLore way). This has been a very life changing event for us, and the situation in Lebanon is getting worse by the day. It would mean a lot if you could shed some light on it. If not it’s fine! Keep up the great content and stay safe!
u can post yourself a video on beirut blast so maybe we in occident can understood what the situation is in real there. still can't belive a government holding chemicals dangerous as explosive in the center of the city.
I am from pakistan . As i seeing this video i really feeling why we Muslim make unity by forgetting all difrences on the basis of one allah one rasool and ine quran pak. Why we dont open our hearts for one another if someone believes slightly differ way in a long way....but the main and basics are same.........i hope so in sha Allah
@@riccardoz2953 because its not the government that held explosives there. It was the terror organization Hezbollah. And after the blast the had the audacity to say that they stored fireworks in there
I love when someone says the true real story about the middle east without adding any little of the west's propaganda. Cheers to you bro, I'll share and subscribe and show it to everyone i know!
that was probably a long time ago, I d say britain, france and any other europe country that colonizes these countries are the the ones to blame. But Britain is to blamed mainly solely because it used to be a Empire and essentially can do anything they want. Also look at the pakistan-india situation the british was there too!
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Britain and France also made decisions in and regarding territory that is now in modern Turkey. What is now Hatay province was given to Turkey (taken away from Syria) and the Kurdish areas were split between Turkey, Syria (as well as Iraq, Iran) Also: Lebanon was once part of Syria. In addition during those post-WW2 "Pan-Arab" years Hafez Assad and the then prez. of Iraq had wanted to join their countries. (When this happend, Saddam Hussein made a coup and took over Iraq)
From what I know their dispute is on kashmir region which is Muslim majority and forced to be with India because the ruler decided that even when the people didn't want to be with India.
@@_Ari__. If you go into detail, both king and public wanted azaad Kashmir but when attacked by militants from Pakistan's side under the name of "Aazaad Kashmir Army" the king and the public representative, Sheikh Abdullah most popular Kashmiri leader chose to stay with India with some special requests. So, it wasn't just a Hindu King's decision it was a decision made by Kashmiris with special concessions and protection given to them at that time.
@Sadaqat Ali junagarh, ferozpur were not unjust at all, it was public decision, only Hyderabad was occupied with use of force, but about Kashmir, Pakistan itself accepted at UN that he trained savage tribals for "Aazaad Kashmir Army" which tortured, raped and murdered people at baramullah district.
@@aniketraina7797 I guess you missed the part where he mentioned the French were equaly to blame for this? Don't take away their well deserved credit...
@AG 2021 loserstantinople was a pathetic fallen city with 30.000 inhabitants, which was initially built on conquered THRACIAN land. Anatolia was HITTITE and LYCIAN, NOT greek. Greek appropriation of ancient lands based on dumb linguistic assimilations ages ago is the dumbest sh** I see in this century.
@AG 2021 early 1800’s, greeks ethnically cl**** all non christians with british and french help. Armos try this tactic too thinking ottomans are weak, and collaborate with russians. 2M muslim lives lost, 5.5M Displaced. As a result rebels get deported, some didnt make it, majority survives, they start gncd lobbying with fake numbers to take the lands through political means. Bye.
In high school history, I learnt that the British brought slaves over from different tribes in Africa who all spoke different languages and deliberately split them up to different plantations in Jamaica so that they could not communicate with each other and could not see any people they knew from their own tribe, effectively cutting off any chance for the slaves to rebel or escape together. I thought that was devious. It looks like it’s just another old tactic in their handbook.
It can be as old as it is but it's so evil yet efficient their homeland should be divided deliberately by Africans, middle-easterns and indians and sadly many more ... Honestly fuck those few people that made Earth a less hospital place to live in ... Infuriating 😢
@@Lorddonen In spite of the terrible and shortsighted decisions of European powers in the twentieth century, we can also that k Europe for the countless and innumerable technological and political innovations throughout history which have enabled things like the internet and representative democracy. It's not as simplistic as "Europe bad" - everything good about the modern world has come with a cost.
I almost can't believe that the European colonizers did it on purpose. Is there historical evidence that there was an intentionality of fomenting war in the regions when the borders were drawn? I feel like it must have been done by people who were not savvy to the situation just trying to get expedient with signing a peace treaty. Why do we blame the British for separating India and Pakistan based on religion, but we also blame them for not separating shia and sunni regions based on religion? Did anyone look into the geopolitic consequences of the redesigned maps?
I think this video didn't explore how the ethnic and linguistic areas don't link up well with newly important natural resources like oil, or that they haven't been independent countries and were under empires since the Roman days.
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@@davidsuda6110 Yep, there's a reason the European powers didn't even consider it after Turkey, most of Kurdistan is within Turkey's borders. And with Turkey being in NATO, that's unlikely to change.
@@finnpeterson4335 , Erdogan is still better than the previous Turkish rulers. All Kurdish towns were named in Turkish, and they were forced to mix with Turkish culture. Erdogan on the other hand renamed Kurdish places to traditional Kurdish names and gave more rights to the Kurds. I know he might not be perfect, but he is better.
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I don't know about that. Modern Russia causes a ton of problems, as did Japan until 1945. Not to mention Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. Turkey's been causing problems for the Greeks and Armenians for centuries, too. They still have to give back Constantinople and Mount Ararat, among other things.
@@Nonamearisto these are all consequences of the west's actions. Even Islamic jihadist like al Qaeda and ISIL rose to power because of Americans. They created and funded these groups for the first time to push them fight against USSR.
@@Nonamearisto You are correct and I completely agree with you. Constantinople rightfully belongs to Greece and Mount Ararat rightfully belongs to Armenia (Mount Ararat is even on the Armenian coat of arms!). Although I think Russia should have seized Constantinople, simply because Russia was much stronger than Greece at that time (and remains so today), so Russia would be able to hold on to Constantinople better than Greece could. Not to mention that Russia has craved owning Constantinople since forever.
As someone who's lived her whole life in this region, I always wonder... If suddenly tomorrow all our local leaders gathered to draw entirely new states with the single purpose in mind - make peace among the land, will it even help? Or will we somehow still fall to violence and bloodshed?
@@kenos911 I was absolutely not talking about something like that... I was thinking about demolishing colonialized, straight boarders and the scars of war from our maps - and instead - asking the people where and how they want to live. I don't want a 'peace' falsely disguised as another empire, I want us to finally learn from history and make nations that will thrive - both within themselves and along their neighbors. I may sound naive, but I want a peaceful neighborhood of nations that won't fight among themselves for any reason. I want us to live together in this land. If you're Muslim, Jewish or Christian, if you're a conservative or a liberal... We all want happiness in our lives, and unless we work together to achive that, we'll just collapse into bickering again.
I think this channel gave a poor explanation as to why conflict exists in the middle east. Apparently, none of the tens of millions of people that live in the middle east have any agency for the conflict.
What does this have to do with ISIS eh.. the main reason is Islamists, plenty of other nations have terrible borders due to colonialism - see South Asia, Africa, perhaps Latin America etc
As a Lebanese myself, I always knew that before we gained independence, the Turks ruled over us for a long time before the French came. However, I never knew that this transition in power was because the Ottoman’s had fallen apart in world war 1. Honestly, so fascinating!
As an American. It's nice to find a video that shows how my ancestors as I am ethnicly British really messed up this world. Alot of my country is ignorant but it's nice be be aware of the past. I hope your life is peaceful
Also adding onto that, the civil war was because of external forces meddling and therefore ruining it, which led to corruption taking over and here we are today