It's an absurd conviction. If anyone claims it's good because "eVeRyOnE iS UnDeR ThE LaW," ask them to explain how statute of limitations expired misdemeanors magically become felonies because of NY Election Law Section 17-152. I can almost guarantee you that the person can't tell you. Ask them how jury instructions can be that the jury doesn't have to agree on an underlying predicate crime, even if the crime they agree on is a FECA violation, which is a federal crime (having the underlying crime be a federal crime is "novel" lol). As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, NY Election Law Section 17-152 doesn't even make sense because it claims a conspiracy by unlawful MEANS, even though the means are how one or more people accomplish a criminal conspiracy. The means aren't a crime, they're how a crime of conspiracy is enacted. That state law says that the means are what conspirators use to help a person get elected; of course helping someone get elected isn't a crime, so the means then MUST be crimes themselves. If this sounds confusingly circular to you, that's because it is.
The FECA issue doesn't even hold because of the timeline. Even if he had reported it as an NDA payment/loan rather than as a legal expense that report wouldn't have happened until after the election, so it would have no impact on the election itself.
Well these are the same people who believe election denying conspiracy theorists are so dangerous that we must jail Trump, but fortunately, he paid off a porn star in a conspiracy to rig the 2016 election.
Wow. I hope you're an attorney and not trying to be a faux one on RU-vid. Because I'd say 99 percent of your questions have been answered. Probably not answered by someone with sufficiency under your political stripe to explain it, but explained nonetheless. In the meantime. He's a felon.
@kbuckendorf4287 such as where? CNN? Salon? I find it odd just how ignorant of the trial people with TDS are. The OP here made a valid point. Your response is the response of an unthinking SJW zealot
Is there any politician that doesn’t seem “criminy”. I’m no fan of Trump but this is just wrong unless every politician also gets convicted for their crimineness. What a crock.
What is this specific number in reference to? Annual civilian casualty rates from drone strikes under Bush, Obama, and Trump were significantly higher than that.
I agree..... Same BS happened to my friends in Phila. They said they kicked this guys door in and beat people with tire irons and baseball bats. Total 100% BS! That is not what happened at all...... If they can lie about Trump of course they lie about us.I think anyone convicted since 2000 should be released...... Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Whites and even youtube gangsters.
He never took accountability for his use of housing discrimination, propagating a fake news story about how Carla Bruni was definitely going to leave Mick Jagger for him, his administration's botched response to COVID that was led by Jared "Slumlord Millionaire" Kushner, his ties to the mob, his business connections to the Kremlin, his administration's blunder in Niger, his connection to Jeffrey Epstein, and more. None of that bothers you?
The Steele dossier didn’t make it out in the media until *after* the 2016 election. And as we saw, all it took was John McCain, a Republican, getting scared and leaking it to get that “story” picked up (it was apparently “out there,” but no one nibbled till that point… clearly zero effort went into it before then. Never mind that this research was initially funded by Trump’s Republican rivals before it got picked up by the opposing party… So we can clearly see an utter lack of intention by the Clinton campaign to actually use the Steele dossier for anything. And even if they had, leaking opposition research does not really compare 1-to-1 with hush money payments and accusations of getting allies in the media to “kill” stories. Given the laughably bad press Clinton had during the 2016 campaign, it seems kinda questionable that happened on her end… or otherwise, Trump certainly benefited from that to a greater extent. Clinton got plenty of bad press from external sources, while with the exception of Access Hollywood, while you can see he faced some bias from left leaning media (comparable, I’d say, to right wing media bias against Clinton,) Trump’s bad press was a serious of self inflicted wounds that didn’t seem to damage him in any way anyways.
Not cope. The Clinton foundation paid for the dossier and filed it under business expenses when it could have been easily considered campaign related, aka opponent research. Then they got fined for it... On the misdemeanor charge it really is. One big evidence that this whole thing is bs, very much proving trump right for his witch hunt statements.
Or she did and there was no appetite to charge her. Let’s at least be intellectually honest. I get people hate him and like the verdict but don’t kid yourself.
Trump didn't commit a crime. An IRS violation at worse, maybe, but he doesn't do his taxes, a cadre of tax professionals do. Hush money and NDA's are SOP in business and politics. It has nothing to do with election fraud. And they didn't even come close to proving that. Even if they had it was not a felony and the statute of limitations had long expired. Hillary Clinton, however, was in fact found guilty by the FEC (Federal Election Commission) of fraud. She and the DNC paid for lies that they knew were lies and used it with help from the media to defame and slander Trump and influence voters. Furthermore, with the media and Democrats used it to derail the entire Trump administration for years and gaslight the American public with investigations and impeachment. Again, when they knew it was fabricated nonsense. They also committed countless crimes and felonies for years in pursuit of Trump based solely on these fabrications, including making a mockery of the rule of law, FOIA, suborning perjury, and on and on and on. This was beyond election interference and literal an actual coup.
They can’t! Reason is a “limited hangout” intended to advance the establishment swamp, not combat it. They’re very cozy w the DC swamp. And their TDS insanity is no less progressive than the Democrat party’s. They hold every terrible trait of self-righteous, deluded libertarian, and none of the good values - mixed with a covert-type of woke preening.
I bet all you could been in serious trouble at some stage in your life if the state decided to Forensically throw the book at you ...and hired dozens of detectives to dig stuff up
Uh, basic logic. Trump goes 75 years with no laws broken and in election year gets 96 indictments. I have a masters degree, voted Hillary,and speak 3 languages but, even so, I managed to cut through the Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I mean, no. He’s broken plenty of laws. Even serious ones probably. No way around that for someone that has done as much as him. Every congressman can easily be prosecuted many times over, if they result wanted to. And yet they don’t do that. But oh no, trump had a book keeping issue lol let’s convict him of 34 felonies, no the before the election!! Oh, why did we wait so many years? Well, ugh, we just weren’t ready yet….
How is it that NO primary media platform, even independent ones like this, can find a token Trump supporter? Heck, they could hire Jimmy Dore, if they cannot find an actual pro-Trump journalist.
I expect Vladimir Putin to gin up charges to arrest and imprison his political opponents. It should not be happening in the USA! This case should frighten all Americans. If someone with Trump's money, power, and connections can be "taken out," what happens if they start targeting regular folks, like Libertarian candidates, who may be running a campaign those in power view as inconvenient?
Most of this is being driven by blind partisanship. Once you introduce some form of instant run-off voting and do away with our zero-sum political system these problems would start to resolve themselves overtime. Political tribalism is a real problem.
If Trump were a good man, your point would carry water. His history is his worst enemy and it came back to bite him. Comparing Trump to the political opponents of Putin is farcical at best.
At the behest of Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign called the Steele dossier "Opposistion Research" and labeled the payment as a campaign expense. All while the 2016 election was ongoing. An employee of the Trump organization labeled a payment to a laywer who negoiated an NDA with a third party a legal expense. She did so under her own judgment after the 2016 election had been decided and testifed to these facts in court. Like the two impeachments this trial was an attempt to pin the crimes of deep state lackeys on President Trump.
@@jellyrcw12 He did NOT finally tell the truth. But he WAS forced to admit that the six foot rule was not based on science, he claimed it "just appeared" out of nowhere.
@@jellyrcw12 It was originally ten feet, but was reduced to six because they thought people wouldn't put up with ten. But what he specifically said is that it's not science, and "just appeared".
We were saying "Lock Her up" because the Clintons tried to frame him with the steel dossier & have a dead body trail. Not 60 years of zerocriminal issues and then overnight 999 felonys. Wake up purple hair woman.
So note the bias. Trump said a load of things about the trial. The question was asked, "Was Trump right?" They talk and talk, do a total analysis that shows Trump to be completely right. But this group can't actually articulate the answer: Trump was absolutely right about the trial.
Let’s hope it’s the slow path out of TDS. it’s hard to change your whole mindset all at once and to admit you were fooled! It takes a few weeks or months of investigating facts with an open mind
Deplorable. As if the rest of the world wasn’t already laughing at this administration. Now we look even weaker. Great job everyone. Round of applause. 👏
This is the type of libertarian who can be technically correct in many instances but misses the crucial point. It's like talking about lowering income taxes while not mentioning the fact that there's a mask mandate being enforced by the government at your rally.
What? Where? They praised Trump in some aspects and criticized him in others. Unless you’re the type of beta snowflake who considers any criticism of Trump whatsoever as being deranged…
I'm pretty damned libertarian over-all, but I'm also not nearly as anti-war as most libertarians are. Granted, I'll trade less war action (and the inevitable downturn in global trade and stability that I believe would follow) for smaller and less involved domestic government. But I don't believe the two to be as closely linked as most libertarians believe.
Damn reason! I left you guys awhile ago, and now i see why. How is there any question about a trial that had the statute of limitations amended? Thats all i need to know, are we adjusting laws based on the defendant now?
I love the qualifiers before they say it was a sham trial.... "Crimey" "Bad in Bed" etc... They hate that the democrats f*cked up and that this helped more than it hurt Trump.
It’s looked like a coup. I watched live on Rumble and they were moving people from their seats. It was the most authoritarian show ever. The leading candidate admitted he was too high on edibles. 😮
No, you can’t. Well, unless you’re a democrat. Then you can say trump is an illegitimate president all day long, and go on a book tour to tell the world about how the election was stolen from you, because of Russian interference. Oh and you can also say the Georgia election was stolen. All that’s fine. As long as you’re not defending orange man
I find it funny how Libertarians(with a capital L), always feel the need to take a middling stance even though on further discussion readily admit that this was a totally ridiculous case. It was a politically motivated kangaroo court case that has very serious implications for future presidential candidates, not to mention taking away the power of the people to vote for who they want by using the legal system.
I also still can't understand how Trump writing down he made campaign contributions he didn't make because they were actually hush money, thus over reporting his contributions, could have led to him being elected. Shouldn't democrats taken him MORE seriously if he was over reporting his contributions? Isn't the amount of the false contributions negligible regardless, looking at how many millions actually go into a campaign anyway? I can't make sense of this somehow rigging the election in his favor but I'm glad to hear Matt say he is also mystified.
To really understand Trump’s genius and truthfulness, go back and watch the full debates with Hillary and Biden. Trump is calling them out. None of these things he mentions were known to the public at the time but have played out in history.
No, it was NOT one count for each check. There were 11 invoices from Cohen. There were 11 checks to Cohen, each in response to an invoice. There were 12 ledger entries in the books about those, the odd extra one being the only arguable "crime" in reality. A single crime, multiplied to illegally "throw the book". You really should get the fundamentals right, for credibility's sake.
24:15. Coverups are not the same as an organic inability to know everything. You don't have to be Dr. Strange to recognise a coverup, and you don't have to know what would have happened to be justified for condemning a coverup.
Don’t wanna be the weirdo here BUT… man the gov has literally done this to everyone but rich/polticians forever don’t act like this ish doesn’t happen everyday this falls on deaf ears for me man don’t feel bad for the guy as he isn’t one tryna fix this system he just mad it got him.
KMW with the false equivalency of "lock her up." You can do that all day long on both sides. Only one party actually had the stones to do something this dramatic. Only one.
As they said in 2016, "the Dept. of Justice feels that charging and attempting to convice a presidential candidate would appear biased, no matter the underlying cause"... well... at least they got that right.
@@leechowning2712 They didn't actually believe that. They used the pretense of being "non-political" as a fig leaf for the fact that they were protecting Hillary Clinton. Supposedly Loretta Lynch was going to get a seat on the Supreme Court as her reward for intervening.
That’s exactly the point. He’s describing the perception lots of Americans have of Trump, and then stating that that perception does not justify a bad prosecution. Were you even listening to what he actually said?
BYDs 1,300 mile range car is not a full EV, it is a hybrid. That is a pretty big distinction to not mention when most people associate EVs with the former. I also don't know that it is a most technical feat as making a hybrid with a big enough tank to go that far really is not that difficult.
"we're all just stuck voting for someone we basically loathe" could not agree more. I wish more people woud talk about actual solutions to this predicament. like maybe non-partisan primaries or ranked choice voting? why do we keep complaining about our system but then do nothing to change the underlying problems?
58:23 Despite his recommendation for Fallout 4, Suderman is correct in his praise for the Fallout show. I just replayed the original Fallout, in which the main enemy faction is the Unity. The Unity seeks to mutate all humans and destroy those who resist. It can be defeated by pointing out that mutants are sterile. The Unity is both totalitarian and ridiculous. The games are anti-authoritarian, but not necessarily libertarian. The anti-capitalist sentiment was there from the beginning, most obviously expressed in the unethical vault experiments. The show leans into this by implying that VaulTec started the Great War, but I'm waiting for season two for more detail.
Yeah, I really believe that a Chinese car maker magically made an EV with a magical 1,200 mile range. I'm certain that wasn't propaganda at all! Come on, dude. 😒
There is no such thing as, "kind of crimie". Saddam Hussein was accused of being kind of "WMDie" and we saw how that turned out. If you use that logic, you can prosecute anyone. For libertarians you guys don't seem to think much of liberty
I mean, you CAN prosecute anyone. Literally anyone. And you can indict anyone too. Everyone had committed crimes, on the daily. Even felonies. We just don’t go after everyone. Or imagine if every speeding for a ticket for speeding? Or not using turn signal?
@@jamesbizs There was a profound quote on NPR I heard back when it was liberal vs. whatever it is today. Tyranny isn't strict laws, Japan has strict laws, tyranny is laws enforced when those in power want to.
Nothing I love more then listening to a bunch of intellectual elitists sitting around talking about how much more worldly than the rest of us plebs and getting high on their own farts.
I have never had any question about voting Libertarian in any election since 1980. When I heard Oliver come out almost right away in giving his positions list calling Gaza a genocide, I am now questioning it. I will probably vote for him anyway, but I'm not sure. I may just skip voting in that race as I do so many others.
The Reason editor's and need to look up BD and fire. There is a reason why China can produce electric vehicles for extremely cheap it's called they're extremely unsafe. Not to mention all the ethical problems around how China goes about acquiring cobalt and lithium and the ethical problems around who is working in those factories. Fun fact BD has facilities in Xinjiang China that's where the Uighur Muslims come from. Well I am sure that Biden is oblivious to these facts there are tons of reasons for why we should prevent BD from flooding the US with their electric vehicles. These vehicles are so unsafe that even Chinese people don't want to buy them.
@28:10 - I agree with the Listener. The "anti-war" stance of the Libertarian party is the one place I split. I do see a role for the federal government and US involvement in the world, including supporting allies. My "Libertarian" tendencies come not so much because I think "government is incompetent/corrupt" in all times, as Peter suggests, but that government has certain roles which it is proper to fulfill. Thinking that it is improper for government to dictate (for example) wages, or language, or insurance does not also mean I feel government should not engage in supporting friends who are under attack by those who are not so friendly.
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When you guys say you're libertarian, do you mean anarcho capitalists or leave the bureaucracy in place and just reduce it by 95% (percent is just a random high number knowing you all want to cut spending everywhere, you get what i mean).
Reason, the magazine so reasonable that common sense, reasonably, leaks out the ears, telling Reason: "Fuuuuuuuuuuuck this shit I'm out!" in a picque of, y'all know what it is, reason!
Peter! Mr. Suderman! I remember Double Dragon. You are NOT alone, sir. Did you ever play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the arcade style? I remember playing it on Sega, but it was just so much better at the roller rink.
He was illustrating the sham of prosecuting someone based on "seeming crimey", as opposed to fact-based legal prosecution. The reason for "seeming crimey" is this: If you know anything about NYC real estate, you'd know it's run by criminals that simply know how to skirt the law best... And it's been that way for nearly a century now. Hard to imagine the biggest name in NYC real estate having gotten there without getting dirty. Not saying it's not possible... Just hard to imagine. And keep in mind the jury are all New Yorkers that share that view point.
I recall the Village Voice's coverage of a Mohawk chief and the issues he was dealing with. It was startlingly bitchy, catty, and preoccupied with the minutiae of his dress rather than the matters that mattered. It's surprising it lasted as long as it did.
Suderman is Luke, Nick is Han Solo, Katherine is of course Princess Leia (because she’s a lady), and Matt is C-3PO. Am I right, or am I dead on fucking right?
I’m glad the Biden economy is doing so well and that I can’t afford food because of Trump . We need Biden. His policies have kept us fed, streets safe and out of foreign wars. (Now that’s “reason” for ya )
Can I just make one point that will save you a lot of time and effort in your upcoming podcast or broadcast. We really don't give a shit what you're feelings are about Donald Trump. We come looking for actual news so your apologies for someone who cares.
You're really proud of this word "crimey". it always solidifies my conclusions about the value of this low brow exchange the real problem, let me help you out, is that Joe Biden, the so-called president of these United States is using the justice system to persecute his political opponent. That is the problem. Let's be clear how you dance around this without clearly spelling it out to your audience is irresponsible at best
@@Justin_Beaver564 I’m quite certain the OP was referring to his social stances; not economic ones. The thing that makes the left the left is its wholesale rejection of hierarchy - not just economic inequality, but the notion that some lifestyles might be healthier than others.
@@CountArtha That's not a traditional definition of left and right. The LP was formed as a socially liberal political party. A lot of the old school libertarians simply gave up and became moderate Democrats or liberal Republicans.
