I love that Agatha's writing career was born of spite. Her mother wouldn't teach her to read so she taught herself. Her sister bet her she couldn't write a mystery so she did. Love that energy.
that letter archie burned ONE HUNDRED PERCENT was an accusation of cheating by agatha, and the reason he burned it was because he didn't want proof of his adultery all over the newspapers. it would be very hard to convince me otherwise
@@arthurvice503 It was Archie who said she had lost her memory, maybe she just booked in under a pseudonym and wanted to get away from it all for a while.
I did a lot of self-teaching and remember clear as a bell that I could read Mickey Mouse and the Sorcerer's Apprentice, and Rumplestiltskin, before I started kindergarten. Though my parents did help out when they had time.
How can she lose her memories if she sent a letter to her brother about where she is. If she sent the letter before she lost her memories how did she knew to go to that exact spa after she lost her memories. I call some bs on her story.
I like to imagine that her dirtbag husband just assumed she lost her memory because she didn’t say anything to him. Her husband “hey honey I’m here to take you home” Agatha: just glaring at him and refusing to talk to him Her husband “great heavens my wife has lost her memory!!! Surely that is the ONLY reason she’s not saying anything to me!! She doesn’t know who I am!”
I genuinely don’t understand why this is regarded as a mystery- like… she told people where she was going, she was in a very reasonable accident, she lived to tell the story after she was PICKED UP WHERE SHE SAID SHE WOULD BE. Like… if they had just immediately checked in on where she said she was right from the beginning it wouldn’t be regarded as a mystery like it is. Just because she writes mysteries doesn’t mean everything that’s ever happened to her has some ulterior motive
Everything about her story doesn't add up, and nothing about her accident was reasonable either. The car was precariously teetering on a cliff, in a very dramatic and extremely unrealistic fashion. How often does an out of control car end up perfectly balanced on a cliff so as not to fall off but allow a concussed driver to get out and walk away? It's a mystery because she says one thing but all evidence points to it not being true.
@@LoveLee_Dreamer honestly I still don't think it matters. I think she had a genuine psychotic break. She many have muddied up the details because she didn't want the public to know exactly what happened.
Yup she had a traumatic brain injury after already been deeply depressed that likely triggered a dissociative state that left her with tempary amnesia. With psychiatric treatment involving her loved ones giving her support needed she was able to come out of it slowly just as you would expect. Her account easily cleared up any remaining questions. I fail to see how this could be a true mystery
Agatha’s mum: NO READING Agatha: *learns to read* Agatha’s mum: Don’t marry Archie Agatha: *marries Archie* Agatha’s sister: I bet you can’t write a mystery novel Agatha: *becomes one of the most famous writers of all time*
I used to know someone who saw their friend murdered in front of them. They then proceeded to finish out college without remembering a thing about having done so afterwards. Grief an trauma really just Does That to people sometimes. Its terrifying what the mind can do when it doesn’t want to be hurt.
Looks like the dude in YTs basement who puts content warnings was drunk and gave this a content warning because he doesnt get paid enough to do a good job
I've only read one of Christie's novels, (And Then There We're None) and it was terribly depressing and had a horrifying plot twist. But it was very nice in stylistic manner. I'm an author myself, and I was in awe of how she completely blindsided me with that plot twist. I want to write like her.
I fell in love with reading because mom got me agatha Christie… there were other books but I fell in love with mystery and that’s the books I read after… I LOVE THEM. I’ve watched every series or film made of the books and I wish to pick up reading again. I’m so glad my mom introduced me to her booooksss ❤️
that's a real jump in logic since she apparently had no clue she even had a husband at that time, i think it's FAR more about her suddenly "waking up" with money, a relaxing holiday, and zero recollection of any of her recent troubles OR her responsibilities. Anyone would love that.
Considering it mentions her and Archie moved apart after her lapse in memory, Archie likely was set to be home by the time the daughter wakes up in order to take care of her, and did this up until they found Agatha and she regained custody. Or she had a nanny. The child clearly didn't have anything bad happen to her despite her mother's disappearance, so it had to be one of the two. 😳
Honestly that has always been my take on it. Agatha Christie just wanted to humiliate her cheating husband and also wanted to just party it out. I mean a prolific mystery writer HAS to know that cops are gonna be worthless so who's gonna call her bluff? The guys who held a séance instead of GOING TO LIVERPOOL? Good for her that's Gaslight Girlboss Gatekeep energy
@@stagrunners plausible. Also why would she use the girl that her husband cheated on last name? If she lost her memory I would assume she would not remember that name.
@@cjgbii3829 To get people to find out who that woman was without her bringing it up & to be seen as the victim that was so hurt, not even memory loss could rid her mind of the name,
For people who don’t understand how writing more than 2 books a year is impressive: Most books, especially debuts, can take all from a year to 10 years based on the author. If you’re contracted to a publisher you will have a deadline which is usually a year if it’s in a series. Personally I’ve been writing on a 7-part story since I was 15 years old (19 now) and though I’m a young writer the way **I** personally write means the whole story has to be on some level done. Which means it’s gonna be a while before they’re even considered being published. Her writing more than one a year shows that it was her element and that she was so good at her job that she didn’t have that type of writer’s block most authors/aspiring authors have
I agree I’ve been writing novels since I was 15 (18 at the time of comment) and none of which have really been finished. But I started something last summer based upon a small theory about Jack the Ripper and now as I have nearly finished book 1 I decided to work on a stand alone. If they are published I would hope for them to be released the same year as I am really enjoying writing them, and I love all the characters
I'm not someone who reads a lot of books, but yeah, writing in general is hard. Especially after you have to write your thesis for your final project as an undergrad.
@@maximusheaton8375 it’s a joke about the husband allegedly burning the letter that agatha gave him! he said there was nothing important in it but we can’t really believe him
Christie: I'm going to a spa in Yorkshire. The police: She's just in a silly goofy mood! Also, I know this was said, but this 100% sounds like a case of a dissociative fugue, or a fugue state. And it is just as terrifying to experience as it sounds like it would be.
the times ive suffered from dissociation, i couldn’t recognize my own face either so it is entirely plausible she could see photos of herself and not make the connection. i can look at myself in the mirror and logically know it’s my face but something in my mind just doesn’t click properly to help me recognize it as myself. it’s an odd feeling
Yess omg!! There is a channel about cleaning up crime scenes uncensored, and I've never gotten a content warning for their vids, yet i get one for this...no logic whatsoever
Her story reminds me of Matilda, Matilda’s parents wouldn’t teach her to read or send her to school so she taught her self, same with Agatha, Matilda then became obsessed with reading, so did Agatha, then they became like the characters in the books they wrote/read
I love their chemistry when working together. I swear, their unedited reactions is excellent. The gem exchange starting not long before the 11:00 mark is pure gold! This episode is what pointed me toward her work. Thank you guys!
“…….So yeah! I’m gonna change my name, pull on a wig, and get on a train. Makes sense!” ~ Shane comes up with some golden statements, but I can also see him doing this for the absolute hell of it!
inspiring woman. How many times are toxic people going to mock others for talking about their ambitions and dreams in life. Literally every time that someone finally achieves their dream, these haters get proven wrong and i feel embarrassed for them lmao like haters, please stop, i feel sorry for y'all at this point. Just be supportive and kind, folks
It didnt seem like a joke, what was the joke? It just came out of absolutely nowhere. Also it felt really genuine to me. Im not familiar with these guys so maybe theres some context im missing
Shane knowing “Yes We Have No Bananas” adds more proof to the theory that he is a evil deity that has decided to spend this chapter of his immortality torturing Ryan with painful cynicism and scepticism despite being himself a supernatural creature. He has had many lifetimes but in every one he finds himself a ‘Ryan Bergara’ to torture
There's a fruit store on our street It's run by a Greek. And he keeps good things to eat But you should hear him speak! When you ask him anything, he never answers "no". He just "yes"es you to death, and as he takes your dough He tells you "Yes, we have no bananas We have-a no bananas today. We've string beans, and onions Cabbageses, and scallions, And all sorts of fruit and say We have an old fashioned to-mah-to A Long Island po-tah-to But yes, we have no bananas. We have no bananas today." Business got so good for him that he wrote home today, "Send me Pete and Nick and Jim; I need help right away." When he got them in the store, there was fun, you bet. Someone asked for "sparrow grass" and then the whole quartet All answered "Yes, we have no bananas
I believe she got the revenge she wanted. When her scumbag husband remarried one newspaper actually posted about his wedding and how the bride was a spinster younger than him named the same name that Agatha Christie used in the hotel and that said bride was with him in a party in the moment that Agatha Christie was gone missing. This is history and online now. The mistress' name is everywhere even today. And to make it worst Agatha worked with Nelle planning events for kids.
Sounds to me like the trauma of losing her mother and her husband having an affair, combined with her already wobbly mental health, triggered a dissociative episode. Dissociation is hardly recognised today, so I don't imagine they'd have picked up on it or even known what it was back then.
I think of the same scenario. She did underwent a psychiatric treatment or smth as mentioned in the video. So, even there wasn't really someone who can diagnose it, she eventually regained her memories back
I was thinking it was an dissociative episode as well. The trauma from losing her mother and her husband's affair definitely could have contributed to that.
Her disappearance certainly opened the door for other authors to come up with their own spins: The Christie Affair by Nina de Gramont (told from the mistress's pov) and The Mystery of Mrs Christie by Marie Benedict are recent novels. I recommend both!
found this channel today and i am absolutely loving these unsolved mysteries and duo of Ryan and Shane. this is what i will be binge watching for a while now.
“The following content has been identified by the RU-vid community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.” Oh this is going to be a good one…
I love that this is the only unsolved video I’ve ever gotten a “disturbing content” warning for and it was probably the least disturbing unsolved video the guys have ever done
well the implication if Agatha did have her daughter in the car with her is that Agatha was going to kill herself AND the child. that's a little disturbing but yeah, they covered the Jamison case which could have been murder/suicide so still not anything new for the boys. this new warning is unsolved
I know the bar is low but I am newly endeared to Shane every time he gets hearted over the mistreatment of vulnerable people or the betrayal of someone's trust. Thank you boys for another good case!
let’s be real. this very polite lady wanted to get away but didn’t know how to do it. her husband cheated on her, she’s depressed, etc. she’s a mystery author, probably a bit dramatic (it’s the 20s). She packs a bag, drives probably a bit off, walks to the train, vibes for a couple days, and feels better after coming back from being “off the grid.” I give her props
It could also be a psychological thing, she was so traumatised by her mum's death, her husband's cheating that her mum had warned her of, that she wanted to sort of run away. But instead of planning it, it happened unconsciously and she wanted to get rid of this life, which is why it may also have taken her a little time to remember this life too.
Know to do it. Her husband cheated on her, she dependsed , ect. Mystery author, a bit dramic ( it's the 20s). She packs a bag , drivers pombley a bit off, walks to the train, vibes for a couple days, and feels better after come back from being off the grid. I give her props
@@midnight3458 Yes..maybe it was amnesia due to PTSD, some people experience such things- she lost her true confidant in her mother , the fact that her mom turned out to be right, Archie basically traumatizing her life...she was in too much pain!
@@prarthanamahale6437 seems more like disassociation, I've had a disassociative episode before and cant remember what happened the entire time I was in it, one minute I was one place and the next I was somewhere else doing something different, it's so confusing
I’m very much inclined to believe her. What she was going through at the time sounds very much conducive to a mental breakdown or dissociative episode, the latter of which the people of the period wouldn’t have had an actual term for. Plus, I’m happy to hear that things turned out well for her and she died peacefully at such an old age. Good for her, yo. Might check out some of her works after this.
The poor woman needed a break. Her mother died, she had writer’s block, and her husband was cheating on her. How many of us don’t want to drop everything and go off the grid when things get difficult?
You’re right! I wanted to run away when I was 19 after being forced to drop out of college (terrible grades and agreement with parents), being cheated on and then dumped, diagnosed with depression, being grounded, and almost being disowned. I didn’t do it but I get why she would have done it.
you guys left out the best part about the seance- it wasn't called by inspectors, it was called by SIR ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE. the man spent his entire life writing about deductive reasoning and logic and threw it all to the wind when his bestie went missing
For postmortem: Why is this video age-restricted/sensitive content when this is one of the least disturbing unsolved videos. I mean Jack the ripper details were more brutal than this. Also Shane saying quid was the best bit of this video.
Agatha: I’m in a Yorkshire spa Police: no she’s disguised as a man in London we can’t find her Agatha: I’m literally in a Yorkshire spa Police: we literally have no idea where she is
It's things like this that causes movies and general entertainment to stereotypically make fun of the English police force, like Sherlock and Around The World In 80 Days.
Honestly this sounds like a textbook fugue state. It’s brought on by trauma (her mother’s passing, her husbands affair, her car accident even), plus a possible a head injury from the accident. Sad people didn’t understand as much about psychology as we do today…. People in fugue states frequently don’t recognize photographs of themselves, they are completely dissociated from who they were and have subconsciously created completely new identities for themselves. There have been stories of people in these dissociative episodes that go missing and are found years later living completely different lives with no memory of who they were before. It’s rare, but it happens. I think that is what happened to Mrs. Agatha Christie.
For the post Mortem: There is a rare disorder called Dissociative Fugue where someone can forget their identity. It is marked often by childhood trauma, but can be caused by a singular traumatic event traumatic event. The person makes unplanned or unexpected trips or wandering and sometimes forms a new identity. This fits with Agathas story. The car crash, her being suicidal, could have caused a fugue state. But whats odd though is Agatha was found where she said she would be. Also, the fact she used the last name of her husbands mistress. She could have been in a fugue state and those be coincidences, but it seems odd.
Maybe there’s a little bit of her memory like at the back of her mind where she knew the hotel, the mistress, but just doesn’t have the consciousness to know what it meant. Just like what the boys said. This happened actually (a bit) to me before, dealing with childhood trauma and a sudden big traumatic event brought me to a similar situation that I only was able to “get back” through long and intense therapy.
I don't buy the fugue state theory. There were too much of coincidences, like the last location of the car, the using of her husband's mistress last name and ending on the same destination as she said she would go (on the letter).
Honestly I think this is my theory. I wonder if what was written in the letter to her husband would have been incriminating and aligning with the disappearance narrative.
Because of this episode right, I’m now mixing up Blanche DuBois (from Streetcar Named Desire) and Agatha Christie. For no real reasons other than they both faced marital troubles.
Post-mortem: she’s clearly not shy to do anything out of spite. She learnt to read because her mother wouldn’t allow, she wrote mystery novels because her sister thought she couldn’t. What would stop her from shaming her husband publicly?
Ya don’t think there’s a bit of a jump between teaching yourself to read and faking your own disappearance in an immensely convoluted way?? Also I don’t think she learned to read out of spite I think she just wanted to know how to read lmao
the vid said she learned to read because she was understimulated. and it seems like beyond that she had a pretty great relationship with her mother. also writing mystery novels because her sister thought she couldn't? i think that was probably a push to do something she maybe has always wanted to do. not saying she didn't shame her husband because honestly... i'm not mad about that. but i find this a pretty big jump esp since these events are from when she was much younger
Assuming she only taught herself how to read because her mother wouldn't teach her is a huge jump in conclusion lmao, she probably just wanted to read. If it was only out of spite she would've stopped right after showing off to her mom. Same thing with her sister, talented people are often competitive, so the challenge could definitely be an incentive, but that doesn't mean it was out of spite. It's incredibly out of character for her to be experiencing pain, loss and probably depression because of her mother's death and also have the energy and mental fortitude to plan a convoluted revenge plot against her husband. Also, why would she use his lover's surname as an alias if this was really a revenge?
It really means a lot that you guys have the content warning for SI and SH behaviors. As someone going through therapy groups, it means a lot because I know it doesn’t affect me, AND I know that a lot of people really do get affected by these things being mentioned. Thank you (: ❤️❤️
going into a dissociative state does make one forget things. as a system, we go through that a lot and we don't often remember what happened during or shortly after a dissociative episode. i definitely believe mrs. christie's story.
she was clearly distraught by her mother's passing and by her cheating husband. I feel she disappeared to see how her husband would handle it and he clearly did not handle it well...
Umm, I knew that song. Knew as much of the lyrics as he did. Didn't even realize the song was that old. If asked before knowing this, I probably would have guessed it to be some quirky 40s song. I'm surprised more people haven't heard it. LOL.
Hear me out… she was far too much a lady, so she couldn’t flip out on the cheating husband. Hence, a sneaky little plan to out him. TBH though, I believe her. I think she hit her head and had memory loss. Maybe she remembered the mistress’ last name because it had haunted her for a long time.
She was going through some really tough times, sounds like the trauma led to a dissociative episode. She even took the name of cheater husband's mistress probably because she was thinking about the upcoming divorce a lot. Also, fun fact, among the people involved in the "spiritual medium search" of Agatha was none other than Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes lol
@@ethanweeter2732 idk about they are being friend, but Arthur Conan Doyle was really interested in supernatural thing, no wonder he came to that event.
For Post Mortem: Not exactly a question, BUT- Christie wrote a semi-autobiographical novel called "Unfinished Portrait" that was published in 1934 in which the protagonist (Celia) loses her mother (with whom she was very close) and soon after discovers her husband was cheating on her. In the novel, after trying to keep the marriage together for the sake of her daughter (her husband wants a divorce so he can marry the mistress) and dealing with severe insomnia, she has a breakdown and tries to drown herself. She's rescued but she spends a lot of time afterwards in a sort of fuzzy state of mind. Even though Celia doesn't disappear in the book, that sounds really similar to what Agatha Christie described to the newspapers. Afterwards, she goes to Switzerland to recover before eventually getting a divorce. The book also goes into a lot of detail about Celia's emotions and mental stress at the time, so the memory loss theory makes a lot more sense once you read it. Even though there are some differences in their actual lives, Celia's personality is pretty much exactly what Christie's was described as in the episode (shy, imaginative, interested in writing and literature) so you could sort of see it as Christie explaining her point of view through the character? Idk I just wanted to bring up the book since I haven't seen any mention of it in the comments yet lol. #buzzfeedunsolvedpostmortem #Postmortem
That was published in 1934 Ceuia loses her mother she was very close) and soon after discovers her husband was cheating on her. In the novel, after trying to keep the marriage together for the sake of her daughter her husband wants a divorce so he can marry the mistress) in a stort of fuzzy state of mind. Even though Celia donts disaper in the book, that sounds really simliar to what Agatha Christie descbied to the newspapers before memory loss theory theory makes sense onces read it.
I read that book a while back, and I honestly believe you're right. The book was a fictionalized autobiography, but it is the only time she ever discussed her disappearance
@@raima6877 Yup. Doyle believed in the paranormal, and was convinced the psychics would crack the case. She was UK's national treasure, and Doyle probably thought he was doing a public service.
As a relatively new reader of Agatha Christie I am going to believe her. I mean she had two really traumatic events happen simultaneously, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was in dissociative state
