Impressive that Ram responded to your RU-vid channel so quickly, made a firmware fix, and sent their head engineer to explain the issue. That’s a big deal. Congrats!
@@joeb2588almost dead? Strange because I’ve been across the country with my Ram and dealers are alive and doing well. People in service and sales buying vehicles.
That’s what I’m talking about, engineers watching independent testing videos and going back and double checking their work and fixing it, shout out to Ram for taking the time to explain and fix the bugs to create a better product and shout out to TFL for doing awesome and brutal tests that put a real stress to these vehicles so the consumer can know what to choose, thanks guys, by the way I’m still in if you guys plan to open TFL Mexico 😂.
Personally, I didn’t think the RAM failed. Hot idle oil pressure was low by a pound or two, but not detrimental as the engineer stated. It towed the load up the hill without de-rate.
Agreed, anyone who has a basic knowledge of how a engine works knows that this test was far from a fail, if there was a true lack of oil pressure one would pretty much instantaneously there was a problem!!!
The hurricane might be a gem but that doesn't mean buyers should flood the market. Always give a new power train time to prove itself before buying. You can see this with ecoboob 3.5, tubdra 5.7, Tundra 3.5, etc.
Yes, but oil for modern vehocles is so thin that low oil pressure is more likely to occur at higher temperatures. So the modern engine design is actually more likely to cause this issue.
Love this story, that Ram was able to figure out what happened and fix it this quickly is impressive. Would love to see a repeat torture test to close the loop.
A great reply from the manufacturer to the issue found. Gotta admit, it did make it all the way to the top and was done with the climb when it happened. Not bad at all.
Great to see Ram engaging with real truck users. Yet everyone on YT with their cheesy “Ram has collapsed” “Ram is out of business” this is the world we live in. 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think that saying it failed the test is really accurate. It made it up without derating, though it did give a low oil pressure warning afterwards that went away. But that doesn’t change the fact that it made it up without derating during towing and the Chevy and ford didn’t.
I'm really impressed that A) Alan and his team watched your video, and B) they went back and recreated it and fixed it C) that Alan was super interested in what Andre had to say. Very very impressive!!
FANTASTIC INTERVIEW!! Thank you so much for providing these detailed insights into engine construction, oil etc. etc.! Alan is such a sympathetic and knowledgeable guy! Andre and him make up the perfect interview partners for truck enthusiasts! Thanks again and many greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 (RAM Classic 5,7 Liter HEMI)
Dear Roman, I do remember that commercial. I bought one. 2003 blk 4x4 1500 quad cab with a Hemi V8 on 35's The most powerful V8 in the 1/2 ton line up. Drove the heck out of it towing 4 wheeling etc.. 114,000 trouble free miles. Friend still drives it. Bought me a new truck. My dream truck since i test drove one with my dad in 1977. The first 4x4 truck. The combat proven power wagon. My truck is almost a decade old with a 392 Hemi V8. 36,000 miles so i'll be living the good old days for quite sometime. Can always rebuild the engine, buy a crate engine if i don't want a small turblow in a new one.
Put the dipstick back!! Having the sensor is all nice and great, but most people that own trucks are hands-on and want to look at their own oil. Not just to check the level, but look at the color, smell it etc.. If you’re a guy/feller, you may even want to taste it 😉
You keep saying it didn't make it, but it did, and Ford and Chevy didn't. You actually drove it home afterward. You should rename this video to "Ram 1500, which made the torture test, but the oil pressure light came on afterwards. What happened?"
And all fairness, the warning they got was probably one of the most serious warnings you can get for an internal combustion engine.
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Considering now bad people are with maintenance, the new turbo engines will cost people a fortune in neglect required repairs. Great to see RAM respond so quickly!!!!!
Andre and TFL, this is very impressive. You guys in your extreme tests have helped to make this truck better. This software change wouldn’t have happened without “The Toaster”. We need to see HD trucks on the toaster, specifically the Ford, maybe that EOG F350 6.7HO you guys borrowed for Moab. 😎
I agree, the dipstick elimination was not for the customer that does not look at the dipstick it was a cost cutting move. Sensors fail, how many dipsticks have you seen fail. I call BS that the dipstick was removed for the customers benefit!
Andre is correct. The Toyota 5.7L had camshaft snapping issues leading to engine replacement. The million mile tundra required cylinder heads replaced and like 3 sets of the timing system so basically just the bottom end went 1M miles AND it wasn't the 5.7L.
I know head gaskets on the 5.7 wasn’t there a 4.7 that went a million miles. These turbo engines are a trend that need to end. The cam issue on the 5.7 tundra was early production. Talking turbos I heard Toyota bays are filled with turbo tundra n taco junk.
It makes complete sense. A couple hundred rpms make all the difference in oil pressure. I trust that guy's commitment to making a good product. He seems very dedicated.
At the end of the day I just want external oil coolers on these turbocharged trucks. Once the coolant is heated up the heat exchanger trying to cool the oil can’t keep up.
While you had him, you should have asked the engineer when they're going to give us a 1/2 ton Power Wagon or at least a Rebel with a front locker. Oh, and maybe a long bed version of those since there are a few guys like me out there who don't give a hoot about approach, departure or breakover angles.
It’s easy for people to forget.. but in 03 when the hemi dropped with 345hp all the other trucks at the time were 225-250hp trucks lol.. it was a massive leap in power back then..
Props to Ram for publicly addressing opportunities the community finds. Bad news is Tesla (and even Rivian) have displayed a long track record of doing this type of calibration in my driveway while I sleep. Cybertruck will keep getting better the longer you own it and it's already damn good. I love seeing Roman just try to spew out all of his reasons for loving cybertruck. It is too hard to rattle off the list of features, capabilities or cleaver engineering that just put it in a different league.
good video nice to be able to talk to Engineers with direct questions and get some answers, most truck owners at sometime will overload and overwork their trucks nice to know they will hold up.
Great Job TFL for having a great reputation and the fact the Stellantis Engineers are watching AND Responding. I have a 2021 Ram Hemi. Watching to see which new truck I buy next.
I WANT A DIPSTICK FOR MY TRANSMISSION AND MY ENGINE, DRAIN PLUGS FOR BOTH!!! DID YOU SEE I WANT DIPSTICKS AND PLUGS FOR MY HARDWARE OR I WONT BUY IT!!! I WANT A TURBO V8 NOT 6
Traditionally, turboed ICEs has to run richer fuel air ratio to manage detonation from the higher pressure and heat. Not sure how these modern ones operate with regards to this.
And the GM V8s are WAY worse and slower towing. I’ve towed with them all. The 5.3 is an absolutely terrible towing engine and the 6.2 isn’t much better. This 3.0 and the ecoboosts eat their lunch.
Very impressed with Ram reaching out. TFL has become a benchmark for pick up truck testing. Hopefully all automakers take TFL’s tests into consideration for present and future vehicles.
I wish you guys could address engine durability from an added angle. Nice that the trucks survive the testing today. But, what can the consumer expect in 10 years? I am a mass consumer of trucks. I buy a new one about every two years. Durability shouldn't really matter that much, but my decision to buy is based on my perceived durability over time of what I am buying. I have been around a long time and some old adages are at play. Simplicity makes for better durability. That is why I have been a fan of the big V8's. Turbo's, complex emissions systems, etc. etc. have come a long way. In the past, they were the fail points of the engine. What can we expect out of them today? I really really wish you would ask the engineers what a consumer that uses a truck as a truck could expect for longevity out of these new motors. I understand that question has a lot of variables, but this is one of the answers we will never get straight from the dealer. It would be great to know what the engineers are expecting out of their products when they are in the field.
I understand this is a “torture test” but not many are using a half ton truck to tow heavy duty construction equipment. 95% of the time it’s a HD diesel.
Long time Ram Hemi owner here. Bought a 25' Ram with a Hurricane and I absolutely hate it! Last one that I'll ever own unless they bring back a real engine. I can't wait to get rid of this! And I've only had it 3-4 months
My 2020 BMW only has the sensor and no dipstick, so must be a European thing to think people don't want or need one. I would prefer a dipstick, because in order to check my oil I have to drive for at least 20 minutes before it will let me, wonder if the Ram is the same.
I think its stupid to remove the dipstick. Just a way to cut a cost like everything . Just like tons of breakable plastic on most new vehicles. Nothing is really built to last anymore. shame but kudos for Ram to come forward.
Thanks for bringing on the Engineer from RAM and getting a fix so quick! From the end of the video, my one main note on the cybertruck, great payload loaded my friends with 8 railway ties no problem. Main issue, no visibility in roundabouts! Same friend let me take it for a drive here in Carmel IN, we have over 150 roundabouts just in Carmel let alone the county, and the weird triangle A pillar blocks the approach view on the roundabouts.
Wow, great video! Great questions TFL. I love how you even got Ram to look into the poor downhill performance down the IKE. Got to give Ram credit for addressing issues and concerns with the new powertrain.
Well ill say im happy they responded and made a change. Dont like software fixing low oil pressure but we are in a new world. The good news is sensors last forever and "truck" engines dont use oil...
I watch all the videos but I normally don't comment but I'm very impressed with RAM. In the future, if possible, I would love more info directly from the brands to see how they defend themselves when you introduce issues.
The one thing these manufacturers could do to help the down hill is to program the truck so that when it down shifts under braking down hill to not up shift until you put your foot back on the accelerator pedal I have noticed that all of the new trucks you guys have testing the last four years or so all upshift as soon as let off the brakes which defeats the purpose of grade shifting
i think its unlikely that the big diesels are going to get smaller in displacement. what i think is much more likley is that alternative/complimentary power sources start to get explored, e.g. "range extenders", hybrids, etc. Personally, id love to see what a big range extender truck looks like -- in essence thats what a modern locomotive is :)
The best update to the truck they can do is put the dip sticks back on the engine and transmission. It's just total stupidity and corporate greed to not have them.
Engines are just air pumps at the end of the day, NA or forced induction. Therefore, "big piston" engines require more work just to pump air in and out of the cylinders and therefore can be used to "work to slow down the vehicle." Turbos also have parasitic losses but no like much larger (40% plus) displacement emgines.
By the way GM had 4-wheel steering in 2003-2004. GM also had the Pro-Tec composite bed. Nobody wanted 4WS because of the added complexity and long term maintenance issues. Keep in mind there is a reason the hammer has not changed in 100 years. Trucks are tools. Evolution isn’t always the best.
I’d say the Ram didn’t fail. The warning came on after they were stopped and parked and it was a warning light that the stupid thin (epa/cafe forced) oil got even thinner at a higher temperature.
Great video and proof that some businesses pay attention to feedback. Would love to see a conversation about engine idle times for turbo vehicles. Hard to get information from out of anyone on how to avoid coking the turbo. Especially on new engines that idling is plugs up emissions. Would love to see if time is really the target like in owners manuals or if there is a temperature target somewhere.
@@donleamon8653 why you worried about what I do with my life when you got these shady ass engineers taken out dipsticks because they don't want to engineer around it... I don't have to be an engineer to figure out that's a bullshit move! Tell your wife to quit pissing in your Cheerios for breakfast so you're not so hostile 😂
@@FranciscoMartinez-l4v obviously you don't know what a dipstick is or does... Dodge will pass the test the first 5 years after that they fall apart interior exterior know the quality has gone to shit because stellantis cost cutting get real bro
@@honda116969 haters gonna hate. Two of my kids bought Hondas. After a few thousand miles nothing but trouble. They had to barrow my 2007 fam when the crap was in the shop. No manufacturer is worth there salt right now. So stop all of the insults and have a the day you deserve.
Do a show on XL Fleet hybrid HD trucks. I have suggested this several times. I have info on their F150 3.5L xl fleet full hybrid vs F150 Powerboost vs. F150 3.5L. You'll be amazed.
Hot oil, low pressure. I never had a problem with my 67 Cummins But I think this is a big issue. You shouldn’t lose oil pressure no matter how hot it gets. Hopefully there’s a fix cause I really like the engine and truck
With the smaller engine on towing vehicles and their more limited ability to provide engine braking, are we going to start seeing dynamic retarders show up on these vehicles? They are currently used on large commercial vehicles instead of ‘Jake brakes’. Tend they can be very powerful and also quiet.
computer controlled oil intervals are BS, it's been shown time and time again that extended oil changes lead to sludge and varnishing. oil changes are cheap, engine rebuilds are not.
Well, I'm not that far into the video yet, but I've repaired Many failed hemi lifter sets in my day, and I've yet to see the deactivation side of the lifter collapsed. On the hemi, it's always the roller to cam side of the lifter. Now gm ls/lt engines like to collapse on the top side.
My 2010 tundra when towing heavy loads for hours and hours cross county.. soon as I would unhook the trailer it would shift off and throw a code almost every time.. so I can understand what he’s saying.. when you run something to the max hard and long enough when you suddenly stop it’s a hard adjustment for the truck sensors and software to make.. it was never an issue.. simple restart would remove the code..
Just do the exhaust brake! Be the first to do so, and it will payoff. I use mine in my Cummins 100% of the time . Brake component savings , not to mention safety when under load should be enough to justify it
Depends on the oil. Synthetic in a naturally aspirated engine is fine until the change light comes on. For a turbo, depends on how you're using it. Highway miles and city or towing miles are not the same.
@@1FiftyOverland I have the OLM in my Altima set for 7,500 miles. No engine issues at 173,000 miles. Did the same with my Hondas before and they all made it over 200K.
@@1FiftyOverland I replaced a leaking valve cover gasket on the Altima a year ago. Valvetrain was clean as a whistle. When that car goes, it won't be the engine that caused it. Now the transmission...I keep the fluid changes up but we'll see what happens.
I just bought my last 2024 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi! With the V8’s disappearing, I have little to no interest in anything else! I DON’T CARE IF A TWIN TURBO HAS MORE TORQUE DOWN LOW, DOESN’T MATTER- V8 rules
Battery packs are just fundamentally at odds with the function of heavy-duty pickups/medium duty trucks/tractors. They are very heavy, and the point of those vehicles is to be able to load the axles and pull lots of weight. The battery pack on a functional range HD pickup would be like 5-10x the weight of 50 gallons of diesel. Not nearly enough to compensate on the weight savings over the engine. The other side is that extremely power-dense engines also don't work, because they will self-destruct way too quickly. To any extent these problems are fixed with R&D, great. But the gulf is huge and not apparently closing.
