The Rapture is NOT in the Bible 

Nothing in the passage indicates we go to heaven, though.

Harpazo is not in the bible harpagesometha is. Harpa gesometha at the time of the sickle to the earth. When does the sickle get put to the earth... Go search

​@@Bruce_PetersEnoch & Elijah were "Raptured" or caught up

Not so fast, sir. Paul himself said, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together, to meet the LORD in the air, and so shall we ever be with the LORD. Comfort ye one another with these words.

@@MistaSCARY Not to heaven where God's throne is. Elijah was caught up to the sky that's all we know. Enoch died later. Heb 11.

Did you even watch the video? He explained that whole passage in it. We will be with Christ as He reigns on earth.

@@laurentroland6847 Indeed, it actually refutes the pretrib-rapture fraud.

​​@@laurentroland6847 Yes but with our glorified bodies we'll be caught up in the air and then in heaven to save us from Antichrist's reigm when the Holy Spirit will also be taken from the Earth with us.Then... and all saint's come back with Jesus to destroy Antichrist and to burn the whole earth with fire.Then...holy new Jerusalem comes down from heaven and Jesus reigns in his holy city with all saints and holy angels for 1000 years.

@@laurentroland6847" not appointed to wrath, the Lord saith..." "I will destroy the earth with fire..." HARPAZO IN GREEK.

The word Air... in Greek is word number 109 it means Breath of Life or spiritual body which is what we turn into at the 7th Trump Revelation 1911 described in 1 Corinthians 15 verses 51 and 52 God condemns the Rapture theory in Ezekiel 13:18 through 21 I don't know why people would want to be raptured out of here anyway when the whole goal of being a Christian is to stand against the Antichrist described in Mark 13 Matthew 24 and Luke 21. God bless

but it did not say explicitly that they will be hidden in heaven.. it says that God will keep them from the hour of trial.. there are countless stories in the Bible that during great tribulations that believers were kept by God.. the story of Israel and Egypt, where the Israelites was kept protected in Goshen till the 10 plagues was done. or Elijah the prophet was kept hidden and protected by God during the 3 years drought.

Revelation 3:10 - is actually: ὅτι ἐτήρησας λόγον ὑπομονῆς τηρήσω ὥρας πειρασμοῦ μελλούσης ἔρχεσθαι ὅλης οἰκουμένης πειράσαι τὸν κατοικοῦντας γῆς It literally means -- "that to watch over/guard a word a remaining behind to watch over/guard a time an experiment to be about to to come/to go complete the inhabited earth to make proof of the to inhabit earth/land" All the other [fluff] was added by translators. Yes, The Bible is very "cave man" with it's writing, but we are not to change it (we already did - we added chapters and verses - none of _either_ was ever in the original writing - it was meant as a "run-on novel", so readers would read the whole thing - and get the context) - yet we massively have. that's exactly why I use the "Lexicon" Bible - since "lexicon" is a Greek word for "of the original word", it's the original Hebrew and Greek. Start here: biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/1-1.htm New Testament (the "New Covenant") starts here: biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/1-1.htm

Very western teachings, outside of the western world Christians continue to suffer and be prosecuted.

Have you ever considered that the trial that is being referred to here is the trial on the earth dwellers (unbelievers), which is the wrath of God that begins after the 6th seal at the Day of the Lord. I believe the resurrection occurs at the 6th seal when the cosmic signs appear in the heavens at Christ's revelation. This trial that comes on the whole world, are for those that dwell on the earth (the earth dwellers) not on the believing saints. The Bible does say that we are not appointed to God's wrath that is poured out on the earth dwellers. The great tribulation that Jesus speaks about is not God's wrath but is Satan's persecution of the saints (believers and ethnic Israel) through the Beast and the false prophet.

@@katherineconley2089 It says those on earth, everyone, saints, and those that are unbelievers. The movies and books written about this are wrong. If believers are caught up and the unbelievers are left then there will not be anyone to witness to them. There are no verses saying this. Jesus is coming once and all shall see Him. That is what the scriptures say.

Yep, then he’s coming down to judge one time one time only

Yes and that's the rapture. He doesn't come to earth until after the tribulation, that will be his 2nd coming..

@@Here12years yeah there’s a couple books out there. There is no rapture and they explain why what it says when Jesus comes down he’s gonna raise the dead and he’s gonna bring his living followers and he’s gonna come down here and judge the end

@@stewarttomkinson3356 there's many many books out there confirming the pre-trib rapture...

@@stewarttomkinson3356 you are talking about his 2nd coming

That will be at the end of this age. Or maybe at the end of the milenium

That place is in Israel Jesus is returning to earth for 1,000 years

That is during the millennium,or possibly later.Isnt relevent to the discussion

Right on!!! Keep showing what GODS word Says! You need FAITH to be in this number, not the mockery of demons they always mocked at Gods servants, even mocked at Jesus CONSTANTLY. It's like they have DNA that makes them do this! context The scripture is talking those NOT ASLEEP and are watching. (WHAT ARE WE WATCHING FOR?, and why are you mocking it!) 1 Thessalonians 4;16 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" 17 "then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Corinthians 15:52 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. John 14:3 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Revelatioins 3:10-11 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. 11 I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

Yes, but the whole point is that Christ comes only AFTER the tribulation... There is no whisking away of people in order to prevent them from facing persecution. We are told, in scripture, that we are to expect persecution and even death for the sake of Christ! "You will be persecuted and some of you will even be killed for my name's sake, but he who endures to the end will win the crown of eternal life"! Thinking that we will be whisked away before the tribulation is a deception, designed to make people fall away from Christ if this false hope is not being realized. Or, they might falsely believe that they could never be confronted with the mark of the beast and therefore just take it anyway, because, they are not supposed to be here when the mark gets rolled out, right?

Where do you think I'm from? By the way tribulation is a mystery. God bless you.

Well I guess that proves it, then.

Go Romania!! I agree with you. God is coming and will take his children

Christianity is the path through struggle. It makes no sense that we would not struggle with the sinners through Tribulations... This just sounds like wishful thinking... It would be better to be prepared to not be raptured than prepare to be rapture only to find you're still here....

@@kingkoi6542 Amen! The Bible teaches that God has will guide us through tribulation, not save us from it. Just look at Joseph in prison, Moses in the wilderness and Jesus in Gethsemane. God will give us strength to overcome, just have faith and trust in Him!

Amen

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He something right but some wrong. All of us mistakes but we should Act knowledge we understand, when we do so, and correct them.

3/4 of the stars will fall .. hollywood stars ore . planet .. lol joy

I know for a fact, i am not rapture ready. Please tell everyone, get rapture ready while HIS Mercy can still be found.

​@@analyticalhabitrails9857Then get ready. Fall on your knees and lay prostrate!! Cry out to Jesus, and repent for all of your Sins!!! ❤❤❤❤This Man is a liar, Jesus will rapture those who are filled with his Holy Ghost, water/fire baptized, He is waiting with open arms.!! Tell Jesus that you want to know Him more and learn.

The stars that fall from the sky are the fallen angels falling from heaven 🎉

@@analyticalhabitrails9857 did Jesus and/or the apostels preach us to be "rapture-ready"?

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And so what? Doesn’t mean anything as far as the rapture goes.

Did you watch this video? I think you may have misinterpreted the scripture you are using.

@@MjandDilly23 That is the Rapture. Harpazo translated into Latin is Raptus and into English as 'Rapture.'

Exactly, this guy is a false teacher.

False teaching!!! Let no one deceive you!!! He is not proving the Bible with the Bible!!! He has completely omitted the Wedding Supper of the Lamb!!!

Was wondering why he didn’t mention this verse

John 14:3 in Other Translations 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

Thank you

So dude doesn't believe in the second coming of christ rev 3 10

Word ‘Keep’ does not mean rapture or taken away. It is more in dealing with a divine protection or placed in a secured location of covering. It is also in knowing the truth of Elohim. It does not mean ‘raptured, or ‘taken out of the way.’ One of the prophecies that comes to mind and thought in my heart is a location in the wilderness were Elohim feeds and covers His people in protection will every one else goes through trail of judgment. I do not read His people being taken or raptured into Heaven. Elohim has the ability to protect His people from the trails of His judgment where ever they are or will be. He has done so in the biblical past and He will do it according to His Word in the future events according to the Word given.

Absolutely, and he totally ignores Luke 21:36 and Rev 5:8-10.

Holy spirit meaning Gullible hallucinating imagination.

@@justmyopinion7 Those passages are about what already happened in the 1st century. Flavius Josephus, the Jewish historian wrote about it. It was _horrible_

​@@NickSandtwhen did the great earthquake happen in 70 a.d. mentioned in Revelation 6:12? In fact read Revelation 6:12-18 when did any of that happen in 70 a.d?

@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha “With the breaking of the sixth seal, John watched signs indicating catastrophic events: and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became as black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up . . . -Rev. 6:12-14 As we explained earlier,[38] the sun, moon, and stars were frequently used to refer to governing authorities. When governing authorities were removed or diminished, the sun, moon, or stars were said to fall or darken. In this passage, we see these authorities being shaken by the presence of God. The apocalyptic reference to earthquakes meant that God was intervening and acting in judgment to remove established authorities and replace them with His authority. To see this in another passage, we can read Hebrews 12:26-28: And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “Yet, once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven.” This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let’s show gratitude . . . This is another example of God shaking authorities and establishing His authority. Once the sixth seal was broken, we are told: Then the kings of earth and the eminent people, and the commanders and the wealthy and the strong, and every slave and free person hid themselves in the caves . . . “Fall on us . . . for the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” -Rev. 6:15-17 John was seeing a vision of what “must soon take place.” God had arrayed His warhorses, which represented His authority and power. In God’s glorious presence and the presence of His power, the authorities of Earth were Struck with terror. They could see that judgment and war were about to begin.”

Indeed, sadly I think it was a trick to try to make people scared to be left behind so that they would become Christians.

I went through that also when I was a child.

The Children will be raptured as well.

@@Cherryhill335 no such thing as a rapture I believe the OP is stating that this falsehood created such fear for them that when they couldn't find their parents they thought they had been left behind, that they weren't part of the rapture

A sad story maybe but it has no bearing on whether or not the rapture is true.

I'm not a proponent of the rapture... it seems like hogwash to me.. but what would you tell Christians in the middle east who are literally skinned alive to this day? Surely they are enduring a great tribulation regardless of whether or not it is depicted in the Bible.

Bride, You must be tested. Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter., Only Martyrs and those tested to the point of death will Rule and Reign with Christ for 1000 years. He did not spare his son so you aren't worthy unless tested.

There is no 7 year tribulation either, the 70 weeks of Daniel are over, no gap between the 69th & 70th weeks to give you 7 years in the future. The 70th week was Messiah's ministry that was interrupted in the middle by His Crucifixion that ended the validity of the Temple sacrifices. Although the temple sacrifices were continued after Jesus' perfect sacrifice, by the unbelieving Jews, they were an abomination that brought the desolation of the temple & city in 70 ad. The last 7 years were Messiah's ministry ending with the martyrdom of Stephen. The 7 year tribulation is a false doctrine.

Exactly

@@happyappy19931 psalm 2

hahahaha

Aw, how mean! You made PureFlix cry!

Bad movies can be still exciting. I love how many crashes occur in a matter of minutes in the Left Behind movie with Nicholas Cage.

Lol, I was going to say the same thing!

scary is exciting to some 🤷‍♀️

That's John not Paul!

Exactly! Rapture deniers fail to connect John 14:1-3 with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The Rapture is Not about the Coming (Parousia) of a conqueror but the coming of the Bridegroom for His Bride (Matthew 25:1-13), the Elect.

@@fohponomalama5065 How blind can you be? The parousia is not a technical word for only the Lords coming. The rapture is simply the resurrection of those who are alive when Jesus comes the 2nd time. Talk about failures!

Since the beginning of Christianity Christians have confessed their belief that Jesus will come again. It's in both the Apostles Creed and Nicene Creed, but until fairly recently the understanding has been that Jesus will return only once, not twice.

​@@veridicusmaximus6010 Paul didn't have his own teachings, he only taught the same gospel Matthew, Mark, Luke and John taught. There's only 1 gospel of Christ and that's from Matthew to Revelation.

When He comes, 'one will be taken and one will be left'. Pray you are one to be left. As it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be during the coming of the Son of man. Only the wicked were taken during the flood. Noah and his family remained.

Right. That's the rapture. He only appears in the sky. His second coming is after the tribulation. That's when he comes down to earth..

@@Here12years Scripture to back up this claim, please. 'Second Coming' means He is visible for EVERY eye to see. I'd like to see some scripture backing up the claim that Jesus comes and remains in the sky until the tribulation is done. Scripture CONSTANTLY tells us that God will deliver/keep/protect us THROUGH tribulations, not take us from them, or them from us. Rapture theology doesn't work. It's also very new (+- 120 years), introduced through Darby and the Schofield Bible. This is also where you get Zionism. It's ugly. It's not Biblical. It's a heresy.

@@mikegraves8628 Matt.24, The whole point of the "days of Noah" reference. The context has nothing to do with Noah,or how God saved Noah. The point Jesus was making was HOW they were living in the days of Noah,just before the flood (judgment) came and drowned all of them. They were "eating and drinking,marry,and giving away in marriage," another words business as usual, all the while,NOT KNOWING that judgment was upon them. Then Jesus said "and so also will be the coming ..." This clearly indicates He is talking about coming Before the judgments,before the tribulation. Not after. Jesus quoted Daniel 12 and mentions "the abomination". ALL the Jews knew this prophecy,that's why Jesus quoted it. Now, Jesus commanded,not suggested,that we keep watch over all the signs,right? Why should we? How can Jesus come unexpectedly? because Jesus CANNOT come at any time! Oh no,not "the Day Of The Lord",which comes at the end of the tribulation.. Why? Because the rest of Daniel 12,which Jesus started to quote, reads: 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.This is confirmed in Rev.13:5. So here, there is no Jesus can return at any time,so we have to keep watch and be ready,in post trib. All we have to do is wait for the Antichrist to enter the temple and perpetrate the abomination,and the countdown begins. 1335 days when the "abomination"takes place,and the daily sacrifices are abolished,and the Messiah,who is Jesus,RETURNS to set up His kingdom reign. There's no arguing this,it's right there plain as day. So now you have a major contradiction. if you were taught biblical exegesis and hermeneutics,you would know that there are rules. Rule that can't be broken if you're being honest with what scripture is saying. Not what you want it to say. And this is one of the big rules.You cannot have a direct contradiction like this. If Jesus is teaching that He will come unexpectedly, which was the whole point of the Matt.24 "like in the days of Noah" analogy, then this His coming that He is referring to is,IS NOT the return at the end of the tribulation. Which is know as "the Day Of The Lord".It can't be,because we know that coming will happen, to the very day. Why should we keep watch over "all these things" He commanded us to? How can people be living "business as usual" and making plans for their future,ALL through the tribulation,until the end,when very few people are even alive?! How can ALL the churches just "fall asleep",(Matt.25,parable of the ten bridesmaids) while the Antichrist is killing all the saints ? Rev.13:7 Did the apostles know what the church was when Jesus taught "Upon this rock I shall build my church,and the gate of hell shall never prevail against it"? No! They didn't know what the church was. That word ecclesia meant "called out ones". Who was that? Did they know the church would be mostly gentiles,under a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant? No. Not for decades. Only Paul had the "mystery"of the church and the rapture revealed to him.Thirty plus years later. Only the writer of Hebrews knew there was going to be a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant. Because the new covenant was for gentiles,the church. So,in the Olivet discourse,in three of the gospels, when Jesus taught about His returning,they,and everyone listening to Jesus,who knew the prophets, had no clue about the rapture.Because they didn't have a clue about what the church was! They only knew the Day Of the Lord,which comes at the end of the tribulation. Everyone who followed Jesus was looking for the Messiah to come and set up His kingdom reign. But the things He was teaching and prophesying just didn't make sense. Not to the Jews or the apostles. Think about it,with what you knew of O.T. prophecies and then listening to Jesus teach here,wouldn't you be confused? You can't separate the prophecies concerning the Jews,and the 144000 from the 12 tribes of Israel,and possibly the "bridesmaids who ran out of oil" (they were left out of the wedding (the rapture)but it doesn't mean they can't repent,from the church. Not if you didn't know what the church is. And thats the problem Post Trib believers have. They see the tribulation saints,as the church,going through the judgments of God's wrath. But our faith has already been proven,or we wouldn't have been raptured in the first place,get it. It's the tribulation saints (notice they're not ekklesia) ,which in part must be the 144000 from the 12 tribes of Israel,who's faith is being tested.

@@user-bs5sr3gh3q The abomination of desolation occurred in AD 70. The ancient church understood this, which is exactly why Christ said "this generation will surely not pass till ALL is fulfilled". What generation? THAT generation. The generation He was speaking to. Again, I will say that the Rapture doctrine is new. It did not exist 200 years ago. It's not Biblical. The Rapture doctrine also gives way to a 'second chance', that you may be saved after the church has been Raptured. When Jesus returns suddenly, that's it. "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” When He comes, EVERY eye will see Him, even those that pierced Him. Insinuating that those that crucified our Lord have been resurrected. "The dead in Christ shall rise FIRST, THEN we which are alive and REMAIN shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord". Context is everything. If the dead are rising, this is the resurrection. Every human being that has ever existed will be resurrected, either to eternal life, or will face the second death. THAT is Biblical. Nowhere in Scripture is there described a SECRET Rapture event where only Christians will disappear, and then all of the sudden the tribulation takes place. Also; 1 Thessalonians 4:16 says He will RETURN with a SHOUT. Not very secretive. It's pretty clear when you read it for what it says. Dispensationalism leads the church astray, and it's specifically a Western church theology. Regarding Israel and the 144,000, you're ASSUMING they're Jews. That's your westernized interpretation of the Word. Israel was made up of 12 tribes. 10 of them were cast out of the land and are now referred to as the "lost tribes". If you know anything about ancient history, you'll find that these 10 tribes make up the modern world/nations. For example, the tribes of Dan, Ashur, and Nephtali settled in Scandinavia, Denmark, etc. and ended up making what is today the German, French, Danish, and other people groups. These tribes didn't just 'disappear'. They migrated over to Europe, and they weren't 'Jewish'. The modern day state of Israel is made up of Ashkenazi Jews, who aren't children of Shem (Semitic), but of Japheth (Gomer/Ashkenaz). At the end of the day, it sounds like you are fully in on this Rapture business, and there's nothing I can say to change your mind. All I can say is that I hope your faith is strong and doesn't fail you in the day of trouble and He hasn't returned yet. My parents believe the same things you do, and there's nothing I can say to change their minds.

Converted in to what a robot or any other subject would be thoughtful to know.😅

That doesn't sound like Hysteria to me. If it brought some one to Christ Hallelueja

What a classic Christian movie! "A thief in the night". "A Distant Thunder", (the sequel) wasn't too bad either.

The producers of that movie have their reward in heaven! It scared the hell out of me & many friends & family! Eventually, I came to know & love the Lord & not because of being scared of hell.

​@HomeVideoStudioJacksonville please tell me that's a fucking joke?

The Bible does not teach a rapture of any kind, as Christ plainly prophecies in Matt. 24 that the whole world _will see_ Christ's saints being gathered to Him _when He returns_ . That's the part that makes the rapture doctrine inherently false. Nobody is going to be mysteriously zapped off the planet with no one knowing where they want, nor will it happen at any point before Christ's return.

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 As I stated in my original reply, it is the believers that are alive being taken up in the air to meet The Lord, that is the rapture, of course the dead in Christ will rise first.

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I Have To Agree With You.

And As For You, THAT'S NOT IT And Stay Out Of It!

@@cameronsmith8427 Yes, that is it and I can't stay out of it because I'm a born again believer and when The Lord appears I along with other believers that are alive will be caught up in the air to meet the Lord. Or, if I'm already passed on then I'll be resurrected and meet The Lord in the air.

Or... You will

Amen

No, delusional Evangelicals and such will be. He's right. Charles Nelson Darby of the Brethren Movement invented this teaching in the late 1800s. No one had heard of it before that year. Why is it that Evangelicals get so frustrated with this? You never see this contention anywhere else.

@@s.r.t.5123 If it was INVENTED in the 1800 why does Paul teach it in the Bible, which is before the 1800's / ALSO, Darby wasn't the first to teach it. MANY before him did. Do you research.

Exactly. Not mentioned after chapter 4 until chapter 19 when the church comes back with Jesus. How can that happen unless the church was take away!

Amen!

The church is here for the thousand year rain

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

@@user-hn4hw9gy9q There is no Biblical basis for that either. All the times 1000 is used in the Bible it is sympbolic. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Why would he set up an earthly kingdom.

Holy Post is a spin doctor. His error is glaring heresy on so many levels. I lost count of the lies in this video.

Abt the end of the world, not before the end of it

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@@desireehooper9650 Amen! See my latest post to him. He is a Hope and Crown Thief. Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

irrelevant. No prophet ever mentioned the trinity either.Or the church.

@@deydrm Very relevant!!….I know ther is no Trinity and that the church being raptued is baseless

@@eds2525 If there is no trinity,and Jesus is not God,then our faith is in vain. And the tenets of Christian orthodoxy require the belief in these things. Anyone teaching otherwise is considered a false teacher,and a cult.

@@deydrm Well, I guess your faith is in vain then because there is only one GOD (The Father)and His Son (The Messiah)…….. The Spirit Holy Spirit of the Father will be on the Son to do His Will. All Christian denominations want to make the Son out to be this Separate Entity God from the Father doing his own will-independent of what the scriptures from the prophets say he will do when he returns. Everyone wish is to totally ignore the Father and hiIs words spoken by the prophets! Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Romans 13:1-2 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Acts 17:3 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24:36 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:16 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. John 5:30-31 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:10 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:19 Cling onto Jesus as being independent of the Father and be prepared to be told from the Father by the mouth of Jesus…… I never knew you!

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. If the pre trib rapture was true then the prophets would've prophesied it as @eds2525 stated...

Whats your point,

That’s not what “the rapture” is, and there’s more that we base it and even other end times ideas. Revelations has to be read in context and a couple of verses elsewhere assume the *modern* ideas of inerrancy and literalism, more are not early or otherwise historic ideas. Allegory and parables are also lost on people out of context. He even gives it in this video.. though it still is doing all of the above- so much more learning and unpacking to do. Even Jews see the OT differently and some are still trying to learn the intent to be consistent. Even beyond that, it’s important to understand that allegories in the Old Testament are not what we think. Even extreme groups about the rapture don’t see most of the verses that are used as talking about it. Only see 1 Thessalonians he cited as supporting it. I’m sure people vary because the ones who were most intense about it before the last 7-8 years or so focused so much on staying in each book of the Torah for a year or two at a time and talking about it literally or whatever they came up with outside of Jewish understanding of underling meanings. Good times. Even Left Behind books- the author prefaces in first pages that it’s a work of fiction and isn’t necessarily supporting anything in the Bible. This is still incredibly literal, out of context. Revelations is about Roman Empires persecution and the Jews and early Christians, and Paul or whomever wrote Thessalonians and others has a range of conflicting ideas, including thinking Jesus was coming back soon, at least when taking consistently literal. It’s important to not just believe what people tell you that you should or must believe.

@McKeel-wc3mf You can give me the verses. I havent seen any yet and never had anyone give me any, Yes your right they do havbe to be read in context and very carefully. Please give me your rapture into the heavens verses.

@@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke This guy missed the mark in many ways. All this video did is confirm for me that the rapture is indeed in the Bible. He ended by mentioning I Corinthians 15, but just he chastised people for earlier, took only a piece of the passage. The context of this chapter is the changing of the perishable (the flesh) with the imperishable (spiritual bodies). "50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality." Somehow, this perishable flesh will be changed "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." This is not talking about a few people who survive welcoming Jesus in the flesh. It is a "mysterious" event (vs.51). Notice it also says "we will not all sleep" (die) "but we will all be changed..." Changed into what? That which is imperishable (vs. 50). His lack of faith in the clear teaching of the Bible is alarming, and alarmingly close to what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach; that the bad people will be taken leaving the good people behind. May I remind you the "rapture" has already happened twice in the Bible - Enoch and Elijah. Neither saw death. (Hebrews 11:5) Sorry, this man needs to study more.

@@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke I think you know, but you disagree, so have at it & explain *WHY* this isn't speaking of the tribulation period, and *WHY* you think it doesn't point to the fact that the church will be kept from it.

Actually no. He said IF YOU ARE MY DISCIPLE, you will know the truth...... Amazing how many people leave out that predicative phrase before knowing the truth. Mike

@@mtwseneca Good point. So who would you say are Jesus' disciples today who 'know the truth and have been seet free'?...

@@DM-he1ug "Disciple" carries the idea of discipline. In any field, discipline means dedication. For us, that means being dedicated to hold and do what God's word tells us. If Jesus said to pray to ESCAPE the things he revealed and we neglect that, we already are off the path. There is a concerted effort by satan to nullify what God said. Why now, is this media giant (remember the giants?) recommending anti- "Blessed hope" vids in the right-side list? He and they are going down when Exodus II comes to pass, and his efforts now are to make that number who "Escape" as small as he can. Mike

​@@mtwsenecaYes He is certainly doing his best to deceive and confuse as many as possible since he knows his time is short! Yes we should always pray that we are accounted worthy to escape the wrath that's going to come upon the world and to be worthy to stand before the Lord! God bless you and everyone in Jesus's mighty name!😊🕊🔥💖✝️🫂❤️

Jesus Christ (The Eternally Existing Son of God, God The Son, Savior, Christ) promises eternal life ONCE you believe he died for your sins, was buried, rose again the 3rd day! Once Saved Always Saved!

Rapture theory has exsisted since Paul the Apostle but went undergroud during the dark ages of the Catholic Church. It returned after people were free from Catholic Domination. People were free to see scripture for themselves and study documents from the period detailing a rescue or Rapture event that today we can cofidently call the Rapture of the Church. It was there from the infancy of the new testament.

because it's IN THE BIBLE

Thats a myth that post tribbers keep claiming. Actually,it a lie. And if they keep spreading this lie, without doing the research,it clearly demonstrates their lack of integrity and honesty! The Apocalypse of Elijah This third-century text exists in two versions, one Coptic, another Greek. It is written from a premillennial perspective and contains extensive detailed material on the tribulation period. After discussing the emergence of the Antichrist onto the world’s stage (ch. 3) and the arrival of the two witnesses to oppose him (ch. 4), the document describes the Rapture as Christ’s deliverance of His people to preserve them from wrath (ch. 5). The pertinent passage reads: On that day the Christ will pity those who are His own. And He will send from heaven his sixty-four thousand angels, each of whom has six wings. The sound will move heaven and earth when they give praise and glorify. Now those upon whose forehead the name of Christ is written and upon whose hand is the seal both the small and the great, will be taken up upon their wings and lifted up before his wrath. Then Gabriel and Uriel will become a pillar of light leading them into the holy land. It will be granted to them to eat from the tree of life. They will wear white garments and angels will watch over them. They will not thirst, nor will the son of lawlessness be able to prevail over them (Apocalypse of Elijah 5:1-6). This text clearly depicts the Rapture as an event that will remove Christians from earth to Heaven before the outbreak of the Antichrist’s persecution. In this way, they will be shielded in Heaven from his cruel deeds. In his article “The Rapture in the Apocalypse of Elijah,” Gumerlock notes that this apocalypse states the Rapture’s purpose as the removal of God’s people from wrath. He argues that that period of wrath should be understood as the tribulation period, since “the sinners left behind on earth cry: ‘See, now we will die in a famine and tribulation [Apocalypse of Elijah 5:12].’” If his interpretation is accurate, then this text is clearly teaching a pretribulational Rapture. The Apocalypse of Pseudo-Ephraem Also known as “On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World” or “Sermon on the End of the World,” this text survives in two somewhat varied versions, one Syriac, another Latin. The Latin version contains a pretribulational statement: We ought to understand thoroughly, therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. . . . Why therefore we do not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that He may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world. . . . For all the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins. The material that follows clearly equates this tribulation with the period of the Antichrist’s dominance over the earth as foretold in the books of Daniel and Revelation. One area of disagreement between this document and modern pretribulationism is that Pseudo-Ephraem thought the Tribulation would be just three and a half years in length, not seven. Nevertheless, his view is still clearly pretribulational in sum and substance. In their article “The Rapture and an Early Medieval Citation,” Demy and Ice conclude, “Although the sermon has some ambiguities, it, like pretribulationism, clearly emphasizes imminence, two comings separated by the tribulation, and the promise of deliverance of believers from the tribulation.” Some critics will counter by questioning the reliability of these two sources. After all, we don’t know exactly when or where they were written, or even who their authors were! But this objection misses the point entirely. Pretribulationists do not appeal to these two sources as authoritative sources for theology, but only to demonstrate the falsity of their critics’ accusation that pretribulationism is a recent invention. So the origin and authoritativeness of these documents are utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand; all that matters for the present purpose is that they are demonstrably Christian documents from the ancient and medieval periods that clearly teach a form of pretribulationism. The History of Brother Dolcino Brother Dolcino was the leader of the 14th-century movement known as the Apostolic Brethren. While none of his writings on this subject have survived, an anonymous Latin document written in 1316 records firsthand information on the life and teachings of Brother Dolcino. This document contains yet another statement of early pretribulationism: Again [Dolcino believed and preached and taught] that within those three years Dolcino himself and his followers will preach the coming of the Antichrist. And that the Antichrist was coming into this world within the bounds of the said three and a half years; and after he had come, then he [Dolcino] and his followers would be transferred into Paradise, in which are Enoch and Elijah. And in this way they will be preserved unharmed from the persecution of Antichrist. And that then Enoch and Elijah themselves would descend on the earth for the purpose of preaching [against] the Antichrist. Then they would be killed by him or by his servants, and thus Antichrist would reign for a long time. But when Antichrist is dead, Dolcino himself, who then would be the holy pope, and his preserved followers, will descend on the earth, and will preach the right faith of Christ to all, and will convert those who will be living then to the true faith of Jesus Christ. Once again, the end times chronology presented in this text is quite clear: first the Antichrist is revealed, then the Rapture occurs, then an extended period of tribulation grips the earth, then the church returns to earth with Christ at His second coming. In his article “A Rapture Citation in the Fourteenth Century,” Gumerlock rightly concludes: This paragraph from The History of Brother Dolcino indicates that in northern Italy in the early fourteenth century a teaching very similar to pretribulationism was being preached. . . . While not suggesting that pretribulationism was the dominant view of the rapture in the Middle Ages, it is likely that such teaching did not occur in a vacuum and that others besides Dolcino were aware of it. It can reasonably be assumed that the Apostolic Brethren (who numbered in the thousands) believed, as did their leader, that when the Antichrist would arrive, they would be transferred to paradise and be preserved there from his persecution in the tribulation

​​@@RichardSmith-dj2th Former independent Baptist myself. The rapture was invented by John Nelson Darby along with many false teaching. He taught unsaved Jews are still God's chosen people, but the scriptures teach the polar opposite, he falsely taught a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth nowhere taught in the new testament, Jesus said he would lose nothing but raise them up on the last day, last day means there are no more days after the second coming. Christ's reign is forever and His kingdom shall have no end! CH Spurgeon rejected Rapture theology and a literal 1000 year reign and he was considered to be the greatest Baptist preacher ever.

Rare for anyone to be able to read back then. Then to have the resources. And the Time. There is a Rapture.

Thankful we both believe in the Bible! But this doesn't prove anything.

@@superjonboy873 it proves that Jesus went to prepare a place in heaven where the mansion is. Where does the father abide?

Not to burst any bubbles, but the original text of John 14:2 is: πατρός οἰκίᾳ πολλαί εἰ πορεύομαι ἑτοιμάσαι τόπον DIRECT translation: "a father a dwelling much an abode/to abide to go to prepare a place" So, "In my Father's house" was ADDED BY TRANSLATORS, as was "if it were not so, I would have told you" - besides, that makes NO sense!!), and the ending "for you" was added. Let's look at the antiquated KJV (hideously, the most popular): "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Or, what do YOU think it means?: a father a dwelling much an abode to go to prepare a place" I think it means "there will be an obvious and public arrival - with a loud announcement. We will then meet our Creator in the air (the lower parts of the sky)" Call me crazy, but I don't WANT to live in a "streets of gold" "city". I like Earth, and I hope it is here, in a 22 degrees (72 F) place - with running water, and fields. ANYway... v 3: 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ἔρχομαι πάλιν παραλήμψομαι ἐμαυτόν ὅπου εἰμὶ καὶ Literally: "to prepare a place to come/go back/again of myself where I exist and also" "there you may be" was added, as well as [a place] "for you" It was just "a place". The last part "even also" was not "there you may be" [also]. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know." ὁδόν ὅπου ὑπάγω Literally: "a way/road where to lead or bring/to depart" So, "And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know" - was grossly misinterpreted by KJ - how do you get that from "a way/road where to lead or bring/depart" Just sayin' 🙂

@@santa_claus-north_pole so where is the celebrations of the wedding of the groom according to the parable of the 10 virgins, heaven or earth. Revelations 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

" that where I am, there you may be also". And WHERE will Christ be? My bible says He will be ON EARTH ruling from Jerusalem! (Zach 14)

Um - so they can recognise a myth, and you can't?

Listen to your parents, they are right. This guy missed the mark in many ways. All this video did is confirm for me that the rapture is indeed in the Bible. He ended by mentioning I Corinthians 15, but just he chastised people for earlier, took only a piece of the passage. The context of this chapter is the changing of the perishable (the flesh) with the imperishable (spiritual bodies). "50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality." Somehow, this perishable flesh will be changed "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." This is not talking about a few people who survive welcoming Jesus in the flesh. It is a "mysterious" event (vs.51). Notice it also says "we will not all sleep" (die) "but we will all be changed..." Changed into what? That which is imperishable (vs. 50). His lack of faith in the clear teaching of the Bible is alarming, and alarmingly close to what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach; that the bad people will be taken leaving the good people behind. May I remind you the "rapture" has already happened twice in the Bible - Enoch and Elijah. Neither saw death. (Hebrews 11:5) Sorry, this man needs to study more.

@@howdydoodey3872 What exactly are you saying?

John, never stop communicating with your parents ... if they support the imminent Rapture or do not believe at all, my book deals specifically with the Bible, chapter and verse. I corrected Skye in an earlier post this a.m., up above, when he easily misunderstood the word 'taken', which from the Greek revals deliverance .. see the post ... Terry, TL Farley Books ...

You're trying to change what is truth they already know.

Cool! Do one on "eternal conscious torment" too, please!

​@@axeldaxelMVMYes!!!

I'm older than you but I only knew pre tribulation rapture in the nineties until 99 when I read the Bible. Actually I was 18 in 92. So we are close to the same age.

Its NOT in revelation? LETS SEE.. Revelation 7: 9-16 " After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” 11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!” 13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes-who are they, and where did they come from?” 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have COME OUT of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. 16 ‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’[a] nor any scorching heat. " Revelation 14 "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless." Theres more but they are easy to assume that its referring to those who already are in heaven and been there for time.

@@vladgor4099 “come out” = made it through. “Redeemed from the earth” = as in, human beings - Christians - not angels or beasts. I’ve scarcely seen so much scripture scraped so thin and read so wrong.

Jesus said "Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.” in Luke 21:36 Oh and before opening of the FIRST seal...... Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (Did you see?? "Redeemed us to GOD" from every nation, kindred and tongue?) 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. The 24 elders are in heaven with Jesus, before the opening of the seals. Who is the 24 elders? In verse 9 we read: "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" Who is redeemed from every tongue, people and nation?

​@@justmyopinion7 As far as escaping goes... Isaiah 57:1-2

@@irajones1821 And how is this in context?

@@justmyopinion7 The first part of your comment was referring to escaping the things that are about to happen. Isaiah 57:1-2 Is talking about the righteous perishing and no one takes it to heart and considers that by their death they are taken away from the evil to come. Therefore... escaping. Entering into peace, Resting in their beds and walking in their uprightness.

@@irajones18211st Thess. 1:10

Christmas & Easter are pagan festivals dressed up in Christian garb to fool the masses, but the trinity is just found in scripture without being called that. The rapture doctrine is like the former not the latter & is false doctrine.

Correct. Today's Christianity more resembles ancient Egypt than the faith of the apostles and the New Testament..

Dear @Rosie-ud7ul, You had asked a very thought provoking question. Neither Christmas, nor Easter Nor Trinity are in the Bible! These are all Egyptian, Greek, Roman, pagan philosophical traditions that were brought into Christianly by the gentile converts. IF you truly care about worshipping our Abba Yahweh in spirit and truth, here are the answers to your questions. Should Christians Celebrate Christmas? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZlRb_efX5W4.html Should you believe in Trinity? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WpVBFcXmizI.html With love, Yahweh Kingdom Ministry

May YAHUAH BLESS you saying "TRUTH!"

Actually his name is Yud Shin Wav Ayin....no vowels

Philippians 2:5-11 (Authorized 1611 King James Holy Bible - old English). JESUS is his name, above all names.

@@lisalord5501 Is the Messiah an English man or a Hebrew man? We're his earthly parents English or Hebrew? Answer = Hebrew. So we simply know his name is not jesus.

Truth spoken! I found an end-time channel you may be interested in 'follow the lamb today', they speak the true Hebrew names!

No it's not. If it were, it would've been a core doctrine of the church for almost 2 millennia. Pre-Trib rapture was a contemporary "doctrine" founded off lack of hermeneutics

Truth

I have and do not believe in the Rapture.

I have and it's clear there is NO Rapture. Revelation 20:12 proves it! The dead are raised and judged to good and bad. No Rapture section bypasses this event.

​@@run4cmtSame. I've studied these passages many times in depth. They are definitely not teaching a "rapture".

Thank you brother, Truth, Jesus. Love in Christ Ken.

Now let's see, the bible is supposedly the word of God and the authors were inspired by God to write the truth, Well God didn't do a very good job of proof reading because there are a lot of outright lies and stories that just don't stack up. For example, Samson was bound by ropes and as he was delivered to the Philistines he broke his bonds and grabbed a piece of bone using it as a weapon, he then set about slaughtering 1000 armed and trained Philistine soldiers by himself, this is incredible because even if he was super strong and he killed two or three it would be possible, but to believe that he was surrounded by 1000 armed men and he killed them all is just a blatant lie, maybe God helped him and if that was the case why didn't God just kill them himself and spare Samson the trouble? but apparently God didn't intervene just as he's not going to intervene if you are ever in trouble. The jaw bone of an ass that Samson used as a weapon would have been worn out and broken after the first 100 kills and Samson would have looked like a porcupine covered with spears and arrows, how long did it take him to finish the battle? killing 1000 soldiers must have taken a long time, possibly weeks of constant battle without a rest. This old time Superman story might have been believed by people living in the dark ages but it stretches credulity to the limit today. The story of Samson is a lie, just as the story of Jonah is a lie, he supposedly lived inside a fish for three days before being vomited up on the shore, the only fish large enough to swallow a man whole is a whale and if that happened he would have been drowned in the whales stomach almost immediately, After three days the whale swam to the shore to deposit Jonah on dry land, very convenient. If it had ejected him in deep water he would have been fish food, Oh well, blind faith covers everything. Now let's get to Noah, if there was torrential rain for forty days and nights the sea levels around the world would hardly rise at all (Google-Physics 333 Noah’s flood) hardly enough to get the Ark afloat and there would still be plenty of dry land, The Ark floated around for the best part of a year yet there was enough food aboard to feed 500,000 animals, the animals traveled back to their own countries after the cruise finished, the story of Noah is another lie. Now let's talk about Moses, NO let's not talk about him because his stories are more incredible and unbelievable, The tower of Babel NO, Sodom and Gomorrah NO, Jesus feeding the multitude with a handful of fish and twelve loaves of bread NO, walking on water etc. etc. NO, we should leave these fanciful stories to your common sense, Gee I'm asking a lot to expect common sense from Christians.

Whale is a modern translation, dingbat

Jesus was speaking of His time during death in the belly of earth, defeating satan, snatching the keys, and leading captivity captive, then being resurrected in victory.

Now let's see, the bible is supposedly the word of God and the authors were inspired by God to write the truth, Well God didn't do a very good job of proof reading because there are a lot of outright lies and stories that just don't stack up. For example, Samson was bound by ropes and as he was delivered to the Philistines he broke his bonds and grabbed a piece of bone using it as a weapon, he then set about slaughtering 1000 armed and trained Philistine soldiers by himself, this is incredible because even if he was super strong and he killed two or three it would be possible, but to believe that he was surrounded by 1000 armed men and he killed them all is just a blatant lie, maybe God helped him and if that was the case why didn't God just kill them himself and spare Samson the trouble? but apparently God didn't intervene just as he's not going to intervene if you are ever in trouble. The jaw bone of an ass that Samson used as a weapon would have been worn out and broken after the first 100 kills and Samson would have looked like a porcupine covered with spears and arrows, how long did it take him to finish the battle? killing 1000 soldiers must have taken a long time, possibly weeks of constant battle without a rest. This old time Superman story might have been believed by people living in the dark ages but it stretches credulity to the limit today. The story of Samson is a lie, just as the story of Jonah is a lie, he supposedly lived inside a fish for three days before being vomited up on the shore, the only fish large enough to swallow a man whole is a whale and if that happened he would have been drowned in the whales stomach almost immediately, After three days the whale swam to the shore to deposit Jonah on dry land, very convenient. If it had ejected him in deep water he would have been fish food, Oh well, blind faith covers everything. Now let's get to Noah, if there was torrential rain for forty days and nights the sea levels around the world would hardly rise at all (Google-Physics 333 Noah’s flood) hardly enough to get the Ark afloat and there would still be plenty of dry land, The Ark floated around for the best part of a year yet there was enough food aboard to feed 500,000 animals, the animals traveled back to their own countries after the cruise finished, the story of Noah is another lie. Now let's talk about Moses, NO let's not talk about him because his stories are more incredible and unbelievable, The tower of Babel NO, Sodom and Gomorrah NO, Jesus feeding the multitude with a handful of fish and twelve loaves of bread NO, walking on water etc. etc. NO, we should leave these fanciful stories to your common sense, Gee I'm asking a lot to expect common sense from Christians.

Did you watch the video?

​@@jred7I also used to believe rapture was not actually in the Bible, however it's mentioned a lot in the New testament. Even after watching the video, by reading everything, you know that Skye in this case took many out of context or didn't understand it himself. Rapture is real and will happen, but there will be much suffering before it occurs. Unlike what many believe, rapture is also God killing his elect because you must die according to the sin of Adom and Eve. It happens to spare of the final destruction and then immediately after is the millennium kingdom and first resurrection.

​@@jred7He creates his own story

And they are right because the rapture is in the Bible 📖

I feel your pain

Since I've only heard Americans talk about the rapture, does that mean only Americans will be raptured? 🤔🥺🙏🇸🇪

You better start believing it’s real remember during Noah’s day’s people didn’t believe in rain or a flood until it was too late

@@terranceburgess9170 This is not causative*..

HE THAT HATH AN EAR. Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 7 IN ALL. AND AFTER THAT WE ONLY HEAR: Revelation 13:9 If "any man" have an ear, let him hear. Why not say likewise to the church? Because it is not here!

Look around you ....right now the world is crazy enough to test faith and draw you closer to God

The book of Matthew was written for Jews and the bulk of Israel will go into the tribulation. Unfortunately, two thirds of Israel will be killed during the tribulation. The remaining third will turn to Christ and be saved and go on to rule with Christ during the millennian reign.

@hscollier Who said we're not going to endure serious persecution before the rapture. Have you studied the Olivet discourse in Matt.24? Jesus prophesied we would be persecuted,it's one of the signs. Are you aware of the statistics showing that more Christians are and have been persecuted in the last fifteen years,than in any other time in church history! How many have been killed in Africa ,India,and the middle east? Some were martyred,some were tortured,other's managed to escape as refugees,having to leave behind everything they own. How did their faith hold up? This is the message I'm posting everywhere I'm able to. A message,call it prophetic if you want,but this is what has shown me. Why did the apostles fall asleep in the garden? How could they allow that to happen? Jesus woke them up.And they went back to sleep?!!!! What?j Jesus had been telling them He was at the end of His ministry. He had been preparing them to carry it on for the last three years. Was he ever wrong? Never! And the apostles knew it. Why did they fall asleep? Do you ever see the apostles directly ignore an instruction Jesus gave them? Study the events just hours earlier and notice. At least John and Peter knew that Judas was going to betray Jesus. So,when Jesus woke up John and Peter,why didn't they notice that Judas had never returned? Now,look at what happened when the rude awakening came upon all of them. They were all overcome by fear. Peter takes up his sword,and tries to kill the guard coming at him. And denied knowing Jesus later. Jesus warned him,stay up and pray or you'll be overcome by temptation. And then all the apostles deserted Jesus and hid themselves away. Now Jesus commanded us to keep watch over the signs of His coming. It wasn't a suggestion!! And they're happening like never before! ALL of the are! (Jason A youtube channel is documenting them.) So we should be paying attention to what Jesus prophesied in Matt.24 and realize how close we are to His coming. Take note,Matt.25,which is post text to the Olivet discourse,the parable of the ten bridesmaids. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they ALL became drowsy and FELL ASLEEP.It's not just some ran out of oil. If just one had stayed awake,she could have warned the others,before it was too late.See that? Were any of them truly wise? There's a rude awakening coming to America. And we,you,need to warn those Christians who are asleep! Those who don't want to believe what Jesus taught,so they're ignoring the signs. ALL the signs are happening right now. Volcanoes and earthquakes erupting all over,breaking records. Hurricanes,floods,crop failure,gov't mandated destruction! (millions of chickens ordered destroyed because of one case of avian bird flu!),insect plagues,famines,the greatest persecution of Christians in church history, wars and rumors of wars. The truth is,America is under judgment. God has removed His protection and power from us as a nation. Our enemies have infiltrated our gov't and pull the strings of the presidency,the Whitehouse,and many federal agencies (The deep state"). You and I,and every taxpayer owes nearly $100,000.00 because of the national debt! Think we can pay this off? Well it's not going away! And now,the president is adding more than another trillion dollars to this debt! get it?The millions of illegals that have been let into our country,who is going to pay for them? Everybody,non Christian, economic and financial experts are warning of this collapse in the U.S. and the great reset coming/ You know this. And the newly formed global economic system is already emerging. This IS the "beast"system of Rev.13 and 17.How hard would it to stage a false flag terror attack now,since thousands more terrorist have been allowed into our country? The apostles ignored Jesus prophecies because they just didn't want to believe it was all going to happen now.And they paid a price for not staying awake and praying when Jesus instructed them to. They were overcome by their fears. They blew their testimony.They ran away and deserted Jesus,and hid themselves away! And Christians are repeating this right now! Much of the church is asleep,just like Jesus taught. They're hoping trump will come back and everything will go back to being great again. That's not going to happen. This country is on the verge of collapse right now.And many Christians are falling away,just like Paul taught in 2Thess. The truth is,America is under judgment. God has removed His protection and power from us as a nation. Our enemies have infiltrated our gov't and pull the strings of the presidency,the Whitehouse,and many federal agencies (The deep state"). You and I,and every taxpayer owes nearly $100,000.00 because of the national debt! Think we can pay this off? Well it's not going away! And now,the president is adding more than another trillion dollars to this debt! get it?The millions of illegals that have been let into our country,who is going to pay for them? Most Americans are ignorant of the continuation of government protocols,executive orders,which under a national economic emergency,the president,who's now the Commander in Chief,along with the dept, secretaries,have the authority to seize every citizens personal property and assets,to pay off our national debt!Everybody,non Christian, economic and financial experts are warning of this collapse in the U.S. and the great reset coming. Everyone awake knows this. And this global economic system,in planning for decades, is now emerging. This IS the "beast"system of Rev.13 and 17 in the bible.Which paves the way for the Antichrist to take over and rule. So hard would it to stage a false flag terror attack now,since thousands more terrorist have been allowed into our country? When martial law is declared you can be sure chaos and fear will spread like a wildfire across our nation. Now you say "if it happens"? IF? It's all been planned!!! Wake up. Why do you think millions are stocking up on food and supplies,and buy guns and ammo,in record numbers! Here;s a fact.America is not mentioned in bible prophecy. Many other countries are but we're not. Why do you think that is? Now ALL the signs Jesus warned about are happening like I've never seen before.And I've been studying bible prophecy for forty years now. Christians are having dreams and visions about the coming fall of America. Not just a few,but many are. So be wise and start praying,and preparing,because it's coming soon.

Who said we're not going to endure serious persecution before the rapture. Have you studied the Olivet discourse in Matt.24? Jesus prophesied we would be persecuted,it's one of the signs. Are you aware of the statistics showing that more Christians are and have been persecuted in the last fifteen years,than in any other time in church history! How many have been killed in Africa ,India,and the middle east? Some were martyred,some were tortured,other's managed to escape as refugees,having to leave behind everything they own. How did their faith hold up? This is the message I'm posting everywhere I'm able to. A message,call it prophetic if you want,but this is what has shown me. Why did the apostles fall asleep in the garden? How could they allow that to happen? Jesus woke them up.And they went back to sleep?!!!! What?j Jesus had been telling them He was at the end of His ministry. He had been preparing them to carry it on for the last three years. Was he ever wrong? Never! And the apostles knew it. Why did they fall asleep? Do you ever see the apostles directly ignore an instruction Jesus gave them? Study the events just hours earlier and notice. At least John and Peter knew that Judas was going to betray Jesus. So,when Jesus woke up John and Peter,why didn't they notice that Judas had never returned? Now,look at what happened when the rude awakening came upon all of them. They were all overcome by fear. Peter takes up his sword,and tries to kill the guard coming at him. And denied knowing Jesus later. Jesus warned him,stay up and pray or you'll be overcome by temptation. And then all the apostles deserted Jesus and hid themselves away. Now Jesus commanded us to keep watch over the signs of His coming. It wasn't a suggestion!! And they're happening like never before! ALL of the are! (Jason A youtube channel is documenting them.) So we should be paying attention to what Jesus prophesied in Matt.24 and realize how close we are to His coming. Take note,Matt.25,which is post text to the Olivet discourse,the parable of the ten bridesmaids. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they ALL became drowsy and FELL ASLEEP.It's not just some ran out of oil. If just one had stayed awake,she could have warned the others,before it was too late.See that? Were any of them truly wise? There's a rude awakening coming to America. And we,you,need to warn those Christians who are asleep! Those who don't want to believe what Jesus taught,so they're ignoring the signs. ALL the signs are happening right now. Volcanoes and earthquakes erupting all over,breaking records. Hurricanes,floods,crop failure,gov't mandated destruction! (millions of chickens ordered destroyed because of one case of avian bird flu!),insect plagues,famines,the greatest persecution of Christians in church history, wars and rumors of wars. The truth is,America is under judgment. God has removed His protection and power from us as a nation. Our enemies have infiltrated our gov't and pull the strings of the presidency,the Whitehouse,and many federal agencies (The deep state"). You and I,and every taxpayer owes nearly $100,000.00 because of the national debt! Think we can pay this off? Well it's not going away! And now,the president is adding more than another trillion dollars to this debt! get it?The millions of illegals that have been let into our country,who is going to pay for them? Everybody,non Christian, economic and financial experts are warning of this collapse in the U.S. and the great reset coming/ You know this. And the newly formed global economic system is already emerging. This IS the "beast"system of Rev.13 and 17.How hard would it to stage a false flag terror attack now,since thousands more terrorist have been allowed into our country? The apostles ignored Jesus prophecies because they just didn't want to believe it was all going to happen now.And they paid a price for not staying awake and praying when Jesus instructed them to. They were overcome by their fears. They blew their testimony.They ran away and deserted Jesus,and hid themselves away! And Christians are repeating this right now! Much of the church is asleep,just like Jesus taught. They're hoping trump will come back and everything will go back to being great again. That's not going to happen. This country is on the verge of collapse right now.And many Christians are falling away,just like Paul taught in 2Thess. The truth is,America is under judgment. God has removed His protection and power from us as a nation. Our enemies have infiltrated our gov't and pull the strings of the presidency,the Whitehouse,and many federal agencies (The deep state"). You and I,and every taxpayer owes nearly $100,000.00 because of the national debt! Think we can pay this off? Well it's not going away! And now,the president is adding more than another trillion dollars to this debt! get it?The millions of illegals that have been let into our country,who is going to pay for them? Most Americans are ignorant of the continuation of government protocols,executive orders,which under a national economic emergency,the president,who's now the Commander in Chief,along with the dept, secretaries,have the authority to seize every citizens personal property and assets,to pay off our national debt!Everybody,non Christian, economic and financial experts are warning of this collapse in the U.S. and the great reset coming. Everyone awake knows this. And this global economic system,in planning for decades, is now emerging. This IS the "beast"system of Rev.13 and 17 in the bible.Which paves the way for the Antichrist to take over and rule. So hard would it to stage a false flag terror attack now,since thousands more terrorist have been allowed into our country? When martial law is declared you can be sure chaos and fear will spread like a wildfire across our nation. Now you say "if it happens"? IF? It's all been planned!!! Wake up. Why do you think millions are stocking up on food and supplies,and buy guns and ammo,in record numbers! Here;s a fact.America is not mentioned in bible prophecy. Many other countries are but we're not. Why do you think that is? Now ALL the signs Jesus warned about are happening like I've never seen before.And I've been studying bible prophecy for forty years now. Christians are having dreams and visions about the coming fall of America. Not just a few,but many are. So be wise and start praying,and preparing,because it's coming soon.

@hscollier Who said we're not going to endure serious persecution before the rapture. Have you studied the Olivet discourse in Matt.24? Jesus prophesied we would be persecuted,it's one of the signs. Are you aware of the statistics showing that more Christians are and have been persecuted in the last fifteen years,than in any other time in church history! How many have been killed in Africa ,India,and the middle east? Some were martyred,some were tortured,other's managed to escape as refugees,having to leave behind everything they own. How did their faith hold up? This is the message I'm posting everywhere I'm able to. A message,call it prophetic if you want,but this is what has shown me. Why did the apostles fall asleep in the garden? How could they allow that to happen? Jesus woke them up.And they went back to sleep?!!!! What?j Jesus had been telling them He was at the end of His ministry. He had been preparing them to carry it on for the last three years. Was he ever wrong? Never! And the apostles knew it. Why did they fall asleep? Do you ever see the apostles directly ignore an instruction Jesus gave them? Study the events just hours earlier and notice. At least John and Peter knew that Judas was going to betray Jesus. So,when Jesus woke up John and Peter,why didn't they notice that Judas had never returned? Now,look at what happened when the rude awakening came upon all of them. They were all overcome by fear. Peter takes up his sword,and tries to kill the guard coming at him. And denied knowing Jesus later. Jesus warned him,stay up and pray or you'll be overcome by temptation. And then all the apostles deserted Jesus and hid themselves away. Now Jesus commanded us to keep watch over the signs of His coming. It wasn't a suggestion!! And they're happening like never before! ALL of the are! (Jason A youtube channel is documenting them.) So we should be paying attention to what Jesus prophesied in Matt.24 and realize how close we are to His coming. Take note,Matt.25,which is post text to the Olivet discourse,the parable of the ten bridesmaids. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they ALL became drowsy and FELL ASLEEP.It's not just some ran out of oil. If just one had stayed awake,she could have warned the others,before it was too late.See that? Were any of them truly wise? There's a rude awakening coming to America. And we,you,need to warn those Christians who are asleep! Those who don't want to believe what Jesus taught,so they're ignoring the signs. ALL the signs are happening right now. Volcanoes and earthquakes erupting all over,breaking records. Hurricanes,floods,crop failure,gov't mandated destruction! (millions of chickens ordered destroyed because of one case of avian bird flu!),insect plagues,famines,the greatest persecution of Christians in church history, wars and rumors of wars. The truth is,America is under judgment. God has removed His protection and power from us as a nation. Our enemies have infiltrated our gov't and pull the strings of the presidency,the Whitehouse,and many federal agencies (The deep state"). You and I,and every taxpayer owes nearly $100,000.00 because of the national debt! Think we can pay this off? Well it's not going away! And now,the president is adding more than another trillion dollars to this debt! get it?The millions of illegals that have been let into our country,who is going to pay for them? Everybody,non Christian, economic and financial experts are warning of this collapse in the U.S. and the great reset coming/ You know this. And the newly formed global economic system is already emerging. This IS the "beast"system of Rev.13 and 17.How hard would it to stage a false flag terror attack now,since thousands more terrorist have been allowed into our country? The apostles ignored Jesus prophecies because they just didn't want to believe it was all going to happen now.And they paid a price for not staying awake and praying when Jesus instructed them to. They were overcome by their fears. They blew their testimony.They ran away and deserted Jesus,and hid themselves away! And Christians are repeating this right now! Much of the church is asleep,just like Jesus taught. They're hoping trump will come back and everything will go back to being great again. That's not going to happen. This country is on the verge of collapse right now.And many Christians are falling away,just like Paul taught in 2Thess. The truth is,America is under judgment. God has removed His protection and power from us as a nation. Our enemies have infiltrated our gov't and pull the strings of the presidency,the Whitehouse,and many federal agencies (The deep state"). You and I,and every taxpayer owes nearly $100,000.00 because of the national debt! Think we can pay this off? Well it's not going away! And now,the president is adding more than another trillion dollars to this debt! get it?The millions of illegals that have been let into our country,who is going to pay for them? Most Americans are ignorant of the continuation of government protocols,executive orders,which under a national economic emergency,the president,who's now the Commander in Chief,along with the dept, secretaries,have the authority to seize every citizens personal property and assets,to pay off our national debt!Everybody,non Christian, economic and financial experts are warning of this collapse in the U.S. and the great reset coming. Everyone awake knows this. And this global economic system,in planning for decades, is now emerging. This IS the "beast"system of Rev.13 and 17 in the bible.Which paves the way for the Antichrist to take over and rule. So hard would it to stage a false flag terror attack now,since thousands more terrorist have been allowed into our country? When martial law is declared you can be sure chaos and fear will spread like a wildfire across our nation. Now you say "if it happens"? IF? It's all been planned!!! Wake up. Why do you think millions are stocking up on food and supplies,and buy guns and ammo,in record numbers! Here;s a fact.America is not mentioned in bible prophecy. Many other countries are but we're not. Why do you think that is? Now ALL the signs Jesus warned about are happening like I've never seen before.And I've been studying bible prophecy for forty years now. Christians are having dreams and visions about the coming fall of America. Not just a few,but many are. So be wise and start praying,and preparing,because it's coming soon.

Let's go over this, shall we? "Yes the rapture is in the Bible." Correct, but it ain't pretrib! "Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth." This is your FIRST verse you post?! This verse is not talking about the Rapture AT ALL! If you think it does, it's because some preacher CONNED you into that interpretation. The word "keep" mean to GUARD, not to Rapture you out of here. And "the hour of temptation (KJV)" is NOT what that same preacher told you it was. You can't claim the hour of temptation is linked to an Antichrist or the Mark of the Beast or anything else. You don't know that. It's just a false assumption made by PreTrib Dispensationalists who use eisegesis to make there false theology sound right. "1Thessalonians 5:9-10 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him." And this is your SECOND go to verse?! This doesn't prove a Rapture. It just proves you don't understand the word "wrath". All this verse is saying is that we won't go through the 7 Vials, which are "the wrath of God" according to Revelation 15:1, 15:7, and 16:1. We get raptured "at the last trump" just before those 7 Vials. That ain't "PreTrib". It's Post Trib! "1 Thessalonians 4:17 (THEN) we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." THIS should have been your FIRST go to verse. "Luke 21:36 But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to (ESCAPE) all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.” How does this verse prove a Rapture?! It doesn't. But you're using it trying to prove "immanency" which is just NOT there in the Bible AT ALL. I'm more awake than you! I'm ready for the Rapture! But I know it'll be Post Trib. "1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath (TO COME)." Again, this verse doesn't prove a Rapture at all. Your biggest mistake here is your belief that the Seals and Trumpets are "the wrath of God". They're not! Go read Revelation 15:1, 15:7, and 16:1. Only the Vials are God's Wrath and they happen AFTER "the last trump" when we get Raptured.

Eman… excellent post. Great Bible proofs. I guess Anti-Rapture people are choosing to stay behind. Hopefully Jesus gives them a second chance to be raptured up in A mid Tribulation Rapture or an End of Tribulation Rapture to receive their imperishable body, right before the church comes back with Jesus to destroy the wicked and save the Jews to set up a Millennium Kingdom for a thousand years. Revelation 17:14, Revelation 19:14-16, Daniel 11:36, Zachariah 14:5. Revelation 20.

That’s not what “the rapture” is, and there’s more that we base it and even other end times ideas. Revelations has to be read in context and a couple of verses elsewhere assume the *modern* ideas of inerrancy and literalism, more are not early or otherwise historic ideas. Allegory and parables are also lost on people out of context. He even gives it in this video.. though it still is doing all of the above- so much more learning and unpacking to do. Even Jews see the OT differently and some are still trying to learn the intent to be consistent. Even beyond that, it’s important to understand that allegories in the Old Testament are not what we think. Even extreme groups about the rapture don’t see most of the verses that are used as talking about it. Only see 1 Thessalonians he cited as supporting it. I’m sure people vary because the ones who were most intense about it before the last 7-8 years or so focused so much on staying in each book of the Torah for a year or two at a time and talking about it literally or whatever they came up with outside of Jewish understanding of underling meanings. Good times. Even Left Behind books- the author prefaces in first pages that it’s a work of fiction and isn’t necessarily supporting anything in the Bible. This is still incredibly literal, out of context. Revelations is about Roman Empires persecution and the Jews and early Christians, and Paul or whomever wrote Thessalonians and others has a range of conflicting ideas, including thinking Jesus was coming back soon, at least when taking consistently literal. It’s important to not just believe what people tell you that you should or must believe.

@LaShayMcKeel-wc3mf The Book is called "Revelation". No wonder you're a Preterist. Your hermeneutic is horrible. When you reject what is literally said in favor of allegory, you make God a liar. You mislead and deceive by pushing Preterism.

@@LaShayMcKeel-wc3mf You have every right to decide that you want to go through the Tribulations and stay behind and go through the torturing wrath, so you can receive a better resurrection…however don’t keep trying to deceive others into going through it with you. Others believe in the Rapture/1Resurrection and we are going to meet Jesus in the clouds to go home with him to Heaven, like he promised. 1Thess 1:10, 1Thess 4:13-18, 1Thess 5:9, John 14:1-3. Good luck making it through without caving into Anti-Christ, the tortures, earthquakes, plagues, pestilence, starvation, bloody water, beheadings, being sawed in half, etc… Paul warned us not to want to go through this. Hebrews 11:35-40 says… There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated- 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground. 39 These were all commended for their faith, yet NONE of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something BETTER for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. Hebrews 11:35-40 You can only be made perfect through Jesus and what he has already done for us. He is enough.

His people are only in His church, where A Cappella singing is commanded. (EPHESIANS 5:19; COLOSSIANS 3:16). Jesus Christ is not the God of manmade doctrines, “He’s only the God of the New Testament church.” (ACTS 4:12) God did not create denominations, and denominations are not going to heaven!

I agree with you... rapture...no rapture...pre trib...post trib...no trib..... whatever God has that in control don't worry about it.. Jesus is more concerned about the salvation of our souls...the minute you die its over for you

@@user-oq6sl2pk6y , Your fate is sealed when you die.

it would have been paramount for the video to have included this.

But it's not called the rapture, it's called the gathering of the saints, and it happens *after* the Tribulation, NOT before. See Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 7.

The tribulation is for those who rejected Jesus it is not for His bride .

As Jesus told us in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13, and Luke 21.

where does the Bible say that? @@SusanRichardsDay

I don't know why we do this. Well what you did here and I did and others.. as if he does not know this already? Yeah this sits alone has been making videos for 9+ years so this it not new. To say in 2024 Rapture is not in the bible duh we all it refers to Caught up. Its so misleading and then look at what it has done. Caused more division.

It's not beating up on each other when other Christians quote scripture to defend the faith. If Paul was here, he would be all over the comment section and Jude would agree with him. "You should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3 RC

Why is the Greek harpazo not enough? Why do you want to go into LATIN? (Catholic and referring to their 'mary') .

@@time_2_get_ready it's funny but true - but it is also sad. The reason for using Greek and Latin here is because brothers and sisters in Christ do not receive the English as authoritive enough to convince them that there is a rapture and not everyone in the church will be caught up not because they are not Christian but simply because they do not believe Jesus will come to save them from the wrath of God and the wrath of the lamb.

The coming wrath we are rescued from is the return of Christ. He returns to judge and wage war in a flaming fire on the unbelievers, and those who did not obey him, the tribulation is judgment for sin. Yes, Jesus died to forgive us for our sins, but we were never exempt from the consequences of sin.

As for me, its as you ssid. Now I know, we will have to go through the great tribulation. In tears of relief, I now know the Truth.

@analyticalhabitrails9857 Amen my friend. 🙏

@YeshuaIsMyKing79823 Speak truth and do NOT be ashamed. Pre-tribism is a CULTIC teaching and must be exposed for the LIE that it is. A lie is not from God. And if not from God, them from who does it originate? Think about it.

Without a rapture,and it must be Pre trib,you have some major contradictions in scripture.Now lets get something straight. This guys claims dispensationalist don't teach out of Matt.24,or Luke 17,21. Thats not true,not at all. Jack Van Impe and Chuck Missler did. Many others have.Should I give him the benefit of the doubt that he's unaware, or is he purposely trying to mislead people? Here's my teaching,as I studied under these guys,and others,and I am a Premillenial Dispensationalist. In Luke 17, 35,36,"One is taken (not killed). In the original Greek, from para lambano, to receive from,. The other left,from apo hiemi, left alone,sent away. Also not necessarily killed. One is received,or taken,one is left behind. In verse 37, the word "vulture" is mistranslated in the original manuscript.The Greek word is aeotos,which is clearly "eagles" ,not vultures. This verse is still a mystery,what does it mean? Because Eagles do not gather around dead bodies,eagles eat live prey. And the people of Jesus day,which was an agrarian society,knew this. It was purposely mistranslated because apparently the translators knew that only vultures gather around dead bodies. But it's there in Luke 17amd Matt.24,purposely written down as Eagles,not vultures. But here's the thing you missed. Luke 17:37,The apostles ask "where" when Jesus says they were taken,received. Where were they taken? Jesus doesn't answer that. But those who say taken means killed,they're wrong. The apostles wouldn't ask 'where"if they understood it was killed. Now here's my apologetic for a Pretrib rapture. Jesus taught He could return at any time. This is called the doctrine of imminency. Jesus and the apostles wrote about this many times. But in a post rib view,there is no imminency. Why,because the number of days is specifically mentioned in Daniel12: 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.This is confirmed in Rev.13:5. Now,Jesus directly referred to the "abomination"in Daniel. There is no Jesus can return at any time,so we have to keep watch and be ready,in post trib. All we have to do is wait for the Antichrist to enter the temple and perpetrate the abomination,and the countdown begins. 1335 days when the "abomination"takes place,and the daily sacrifices are abolished,and the Messiah,who is Jesus,returns to set up His kingdom reign. There's no arguing this,it right there plain as day. Jesus directly quoted this verse in Daniel 12. Do you think the Jews didn't know this prophecy? Well the Pharisees surely did. So why would Jesus teach that He could come at any time? Why should we "be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs of His coming,please tell me? 2. Jesus taught His return will be just BEFORE, the judgment of the world, like in "the days of Noah",where people were living their lives,"business as usual",making plans for dinner,to get married,and see their children marry,etc.And they were completely unaware that judgment was upon them. So,here's a scriptural contradiction,Rev.6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” See that? These people ARE aware that God's judgment is upon them,and they're terrified! And this is just the beginning of the tribulation period. Jesus taught He would return just BEFORE the judgments begin, this has to be pretrib. Matt.24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Verse 40,this is the rapture. They're taken (away),not killed. It's very clear,they're not killed,they're taken.And the other was left. It's absurd to believe that people will be eating and drinking (eating and drinking what? With all the famines,plagues, earthquakes,1/3 of all the green grass burned away,1/3 of the ocean dies,even if there is food in certain areas,1/3 pf all the ships destroyed.And this in just one of the trumpet judgments!) making plans to get married,and see their children grow up and marry?! People living their lives,business as usual,during the tribulation? No way! One last thing.The Rapture is NOT Jesus returning to set up His kingdom. That does happen at the end of the tribulation period,ok? The rapture is US,the Church, being taken away into the cloud to be with Jesus. And then,the wedding feast of the lamb will begin,while the tribulation begins on Earth.And,further confirmation of this is in Matt.25,the parable of the bridesmaids. Remember,the ones who ran out of oil were left out of the wedding feast? The wedding feast will be celebrated when the church,the bride,is raptured. Here's the last thing, in post trib,what event signifies the tribulation has begun? Give me an answer. In pretrib,it's the rapture that begins the tribulation period. And the rapture itself,IS a judgment being pronounced upon the world. Now did the apostles know what the church was when Jesus taught "Upon this rock I shall build my church,and the gate of hell shall never prevail against it"? No! They didn't know what the church was. That word ecclesia meant "called out ones". Who was that? Did they know the church would be mostly gentiles,under a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant? No. Not for decades. Only Paul had the "mystery"of the church and the rapture revealed to him.Thirty plus years later. Only the writer of Hebrews knew there was going to be a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant. Because the new covenant was for gentiles,the church. So,in the Olivet discourse,in three of the gospels, when Jesus taught about His returning,they,and everyone listening to Jesus,who knew the prophets, had no clue about the rapture.Because they didn't have a clue about what the church was! They only knew the Day Of the Lord,which comes at the end of the tribulation. Everyone who followed Jesus was looking for the Messiah to come and set up His kingdom reign. Now look up Revelation 13,5-8. There's another contradiction,one that breaks the promise Jesus made about the church. The Antichrist is given power and authority to conquer,or destroy,the "saints",for 1290 days (Daniel 12 again). Did Jesus teach "the gates of hell shall never prevail ...oh,but only until the Antichrist is revealed. Then the church will be destroyed. No Jesus made a promise to us,the church. These 'saints",or holy people in the Greek,are not the church,in the chapters of judgment in Revelation. And in part, they must be the 144 thousand Jews, from the 12 tribes of Israel. Last thing. In over thirty years I have debated Post trib believers. Not one has been able to explain or refute the argument I put for,or the scriptures I've referenced.Jesus commanded,not suggested,that we keep watch over the signs,because we don't know when He could return. Be the first Post tribber to answer this. Why should we? Daniel 12,which Jesus quoted directly in Matt.24pecifically states that the Messiah,Jesus,will come,1335 days,after the "abomination"and the daily sacrifices are ceased. Jesus cannot come at any time! Why should we watch over the sings then? I bet you won't answer this.

SCRIPTure

Don't worry, HE'S WRONG...HE'S IGNORANT... and there IS A RAPTURE FOR THE BELIEVERS, JESUS' BRIDE...

Read it again. This guy missed the mark in many ways. All this video did is confirm for me that the rapture is indeed in the Bible. He ended by mentioning I Corinthians 15, but just he chastised people for earlier, took only a piece of the passage. The context of this chapter is the changing of the perishable (the flesh) with the imperishable (spiritual bodies). "50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality." Somehow, this perishable flesh will be changed "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." This is not talking about a few people who survive welcoming Jesus in the flesh. It is a "mysterious" event (vs.51). Notice it also says "we will not all sleep" (die) "but we will all be changed..." Changed into what? That which is imperishable (vs. 50). His lack of faith in the clear teaching of the Bible is alarming, and alarmingly close to what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach; that the bad people will be taken leaving the good people behind. May I remind you the "rapture" has already happened twice in the Bible - Enoch and Elijah. Neither saw death. (Hebrews 11:5) Sorry, this man needs to study more.

@@DonaldFry-es7tzExegesis is important.

@@happyappy19931 Absolutely critical.

That judgment will be at the end of the tribulation - the sheep and goat Judgment.

Are you not still a Christian. Christians start out as baby Christins, but they should grow as they read and study the Word. The Spirit of God is the real teacher. We can learn from good Bible teachers, but we should diligently check the scriptures to be sure they are correct.

From what I understand, that's Jesus's second coming.

@@Eman-vp5wk Nothing's going to happen.

@@1995dodgetruck Don't want to put down your religion but "scripture" is man-made.

There is literally nothing in that passage that says Enoch was raptured. Reading your belief into the text won't make it true. Romans shows Paul saying that EVERYBODY from Adam to Moses died. That includes Enoch.

There is no such thing about people being left behind. Jesus will come back and get his people and everybody will see him. The people who hate jesus will ask the rocks to fall on them. Everybody will know.

Matthew 24:30-31 King James Version 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 King James Version 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Luke 17:34-37 King James Version 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Let’s not mention the trumpet please, it spoils the illusion of a secret rapture.

If JESUS speaks with the TRUMPET of a GREAT ANGEL. EVERYONE WILL HEAR it. It is not limited to a mear mans perception. You need FAITH to be in this number, not the mockery of demons they always mocked at Gods servants, even mocked at Jesus CONSTANTLY. It's like they have DNA that makes them do this! context The scripture is talking those NOT ASLEEP and are watching. (WHAT ARE WE WATCHING FOR?, and why are you mocking it!) 1 Thessalonians 4;16 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" 17 "then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Corinthians 15:52 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. John 14:3 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Revelatioins 3:10-11 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. 11 I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

@@BillBiggs1 come on! If its a secret rapture then it is a silent trumpet.

@@seanm2216 lol 😂

Mike, the 'Trumpet' element is key. I go over that in my book, "Blast Off Rapiemur - Edition VI". VLSS, the 'last trump' was the blast that signaled the children to move out during their sojourn in the desert. @@BillBiggs1

Nice

Wish I could "like" this more than once!

So what

@@mikepiccolo32 So, denying the theology of the rapture simply because the word is not present would be like denying the "trinity" simply because that word is not used. The teaching is there and the word used is a helpful handle.

@@DonaldFry-es7tz At Matthew 24:29,30 there it describes Jesus as coming on the clouds with great glory after the tribulation not prior as many believe will be there escape of the coming destruction of the wicked.How can this be? Jesus was sent by God to give us Gods message of salvation he is not God.Who was Jesus God?John 17:3

User, 'rapture' haies from Jerome's 4th Century Latin coinage for the Greek 'harpazo', our English 'caught up,' rendered as 'rapiemur' in I Thess. 4:17. Derived from the root word 'rapio', Jerome used other derivations in his translation, such as 'raptus' and 'raptum', The Lord willing, shall do a deep dive on the variations of usage in the N.T. Terry, TL Farley Books

Amen

For more information about Heaven coming to earth rather than us going to heaven I recommend the books "Simply Christian" or "Simply Jesus" by N.T. Wright. It was really the first time I had heard this ideas as well. The books aren't just about that, but they both have that as a theme.

Check out Joel Richardson. He is a good teacher.

Stand firm for another 20-30 months.

​@@nothanks6549 Do we not go to heaven upon death as believers in Christ?

@@Ampwich Yes. As I see in the scriptures. "We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8) "For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart (physically die and leave) and be with Christ, which is far better." (Philippians 1:23) Yet, all those who those Christians who died in Christ will return with Him to rule and reign in Jerusalem at the resurrection of all the saints with their glorified bodies.

Yes. Israel promised to obey the commandments of God at Mt. Sinai. God promised to be their God and protect them if they did. Marriage vows. The groom is a symbol of Jesus, the bride is a symbol of the church. Marriage is a symbol of the church's relationship with God. RC

Nicely explain, the logic is clear.

Yeah I really thought that line of logic was completely backwards.

If there was a flood and you were swept away to oblivion, you were "taken". That is what Jesus is saying. Also, Jesus is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 in that passage, not his Second Coming or the end times.

The Rapture was invented by Margaret McDonald in 1835 and if you look up the word rapture in the dictionary it's an evil thing. David McPherson wrote several books on it you could Google him and read his documentation that there is no Rapture that it's Satan that's going to be preaching the Rapture because the first one that's taken in the field and Matthew 24 is Satan taking them in his fake rapture. God bless you

It is in the bible...caught up in the sky...don't listen to this false teacher

It comes *after* the Tribulation, not before, like Rapture advocates often say.

​@@anachisum686 Were you even listening to him?

@@denisemayosky1955 were u

That is why the 144k are sealed. Jesus only picks out 144 thousand of us. We are protected but the rest are killed by the Anti-Christ.

Read up about John Nelson Darby in the late 1800's and how our notions about end times eschatology started with him. For most of the 2000 years of church history -the church AT LARGE has never believed in a Rapture or a Tribulation, that is until Darby introduced the notion and Scofield ratified it in commentary form at the bottom of the bible page. The western church has been reading into the bible the ideas from these men and not interpreting scripture from other scripture. For me, Dispensationalism has been "Left Behind."

@@ScottHoel So you know for a fact that not one Christian believed what the Thessalonians believed centuries after that book was written? Wow that's a lot of foreknowledge.

@@seanc2788 I edited it and don't be an ass.

Shepherds, chapel

Yes, at the very visible & very loud 2nd coming of Christ. There is nothing secret about it.

So... Jesus had just finished telling Peter that he would deny Him 3 times.. and Judas is out betraying Him... so Christ is telling the 11 that He is going to prepare a place for THEM, and then come again for THEM and receive THEM unto Himself.. that where He is THEY may be also.... Why is it that THEY were flat out lied to... because they all missed your conjured fable that no Scripture even remotely offers? Paul calls the event "the resurrection of the dead"... 1 Cor 15:42-55... which you are well aware is the exact same event in 1 Thess 4;13-18 that Paul didn't' want us ignorant about. The resurrection of the dead does not occur until the heavens are destroyed with a great noise... Job 14;12, 2 Peter 3;10, Matt 24;35-42... all three of these passages show that the resurrection of the dead occurs when the heavens are destroyed... those martyred for not taking the mark are resurrected at the FIRST resurrection... Rev 20;4-6... Every argument for a rapture is birthed out of deceit... every single one!

@@Want2cJesus wrong

@@everettadams3171 Not wrong. I reject this relatively new teaching. It is not Biblical. It is a tradition of men such as Darby and Scofield.

Yes, but the whole point is that Christ comes only AFTER the tribulation... There is no whisking away of people in order to prevent them from facing persecution. We are told, in scripture, that we are to expect persecution and even death for the sake of Christ! "You will be persecuted and some of you will even be killed for my name's sake, but he who endures to the end will win the crown of eternal life"! Thinking that we will be whisked away before the tribulation is a deception, designed to make people fall away from Christ if this false hope is not being realized. Or, they might falsely believe that they could never be confronted with the mark of the beast and therefore just take it anyway, because, they are not supposed to be here when the mark gets rolled out, right

That may be so he did not lie about it, but if he thinks it is fiction... in that respect he is a liar.

Revelation 21

Think of it this way sister, no offense at all but i've studied this book of Gods great words thoroughly and had once believed pre trib as well but have now come to see and understand that its looking more like pre wrath whenever that is? 6th seal? Im not dogmatic and i really hope i am wrong on this one but if by chance we may have to go through a bit of a rough patch here the many who thought and followed people who told them that we get a completely free pass from anything to come will be the ones more disappointed and possibly loss of faith due to false hopes and persecutions which they believed were not to come to them. The way i see it in scripture is that we all should be ready to "STAND" no matter what comes our way.(PERSECUTIONS OR DEATH). Expect the worst hope for the best!

SO YES LIKE YOU SAID, IF PRE TRIB HAPPENS ID BE VERY SURPRISED AND GREATFUL, BUT IF THE OTHER WAY AROUND, COMPLETE DESPAIR AND CONFUSION!

The ones thinking they are going to get a free pass are the ones that will be deceived by antichrist (satan) which comes first, peacefully and prosperously and performs miracles making people believe he’s the true Christ and has come to “rapture” them away… But I got news for you all.. You will be deceived by that son of perdition (the antichrist) spoken of in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 which comes before the true Christ. Better stop listening to your false preachers and study for yourself. You’re not going anywhere people!! Jesus is returning here to do away with evil once and for all and will make His Kingdom here on earth!

Leslie, well done, couldn't resist ... surprise for sure ... Scripture reveals 'hope' is actually more clearly translated from the Greek as 'anticipation' 51 times in the N.T. The other 7 times it is 'expected, or expecting." Thus, believers are encouraged to be daily anticipating Jesus' Shout, '... especially as you see the day approaching.' (Heb. 10:25). His Shingle is out now … “Blast Off Rapiemur - Edition VI” {His ‘atomic’ shout at any moment} Per Jesus : Take no thought for tomorrow … Genesis through Revelation 26+ Bible versions 1945+ Alpha Index 1770+ verses Spiritual Stamina … for Comfort, Strength & Spiritual Stamina ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4TEJgFeNN9I.html { Blast Off Rapiemur - Edition VI } ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O0hlPBnC_q0.html { ‘When Now Becomes Too Late & Distant Reaches }. Terry, TL Farley Books

@chrishawkins2759 Pre-wrath at the sixth seal is post-trib. The “wrath” that the Church is not appointed unto is the “orge” wrath only per the original Greek. This wrath is only mentioned 6 times in Revelation and is always in a post-trib context (cf. 1 Thess. 5:9; Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:10; 16:19; 19:15). Remember, Revelation is written Semitically, not chronologically. There is recapitulation throughout the book. John writes about the Second Coming of Christ after the great tribulation more than once (eg. Rev 6-7, Rev 10-11, Rev 14, Rev 19-20). There’s a reason why it’s called The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

HOw does the Rapture fact necessitate your sacrifices?

My man, the "rapture" is the resurrection of the dead in Christ no matter if you think its pre. mid or post trib. Its all the rapture/Reassertion of the Saints in Christ. Anytime someone starts telling you there is no "rapture" in the Bible you can stop listening because they are speaking absolute foolishness and illustrating they should not be discussing the topic. A serious and studied Bible student/teacher will ALWAYS say I don't believe in a pre or mid or post trib rapture. They will NEVER......NEVER say "There is no rapture" That is embarrassingly foolish. They deny their own resurrection.

@r.f.pennington746 And I've been for over 40 years now. This teacher claims dispensationalist won't teach out of Matt.24,or Luke 17,21. Thats not true,not at all. Jack Van Impe and Chuck Missler did. Many others have.Should I give him the benefit of the doubt that he's unaware, because it seems he's purposely trying to mislead people? Here's my teaching,as I studied under these guys,for decades,and others,and I am a Premillenial Dispensationalist. I've also been trained in Greek and Hebrew exegesis,and biblical hermeneutics. In Luke 17, 35,36,"One is taken (not killed). In the original Greek, from para lambano, to receive from,. The other left,from apo hiemi, left alone,sent away. Also not necessarily killed. One is received,or taken,one is left behind. In verse 37, the word "vulture" is mistranslated in the original manuscript.The Greek word is aeotos,which is clearly "eagles" ,not vultures. This verse is still a mystery,what does it mean? Because Eagles do not gather around dead bodies,eagles eat live prey. And the people of Jesus day,which was an agrarian society,knew this. It was purposely mistranslated because apparently the translators knew that only vultures gather around dead bodies. But it's there in Luke 17amd Matt.24,purposely written down as Eagles,not vultures. But here's the thing he missed.Luke 17:37,The apostles ask "WHERE" when Jesus says they were taken,or received(unto someone). WHERE were they taken? Jesus doesn't answer that. But those who say taken means killed,they're wrong. The apostles wouldn't ask 'where"if they understood it was killed. Jesus taught He could come at any time so we,the church,should be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs that He taught in the gospels. This is the doctrine of imminency. And the apostles also taught this in the epistles. Matt.24:43,1 Thess.5:2, 2 Peter 3:10. Jesus can come like "a thief in the night". Jesus also commanded us to keep watch over all the signs of His coming in Matt.24. It wasn't a suggestion,it is an instruction. It wasn't just to know when the "season"was upon us,and who "the generation" that sees "ALL these things" ,will be. Matt.25,the parables being taught,are post text to Matt.24. So now,be the first Post Trib believer in over three decades of my experience debating the rapture, to answer this question,and the other points I'll bring. WHY should we watch over the signs of His coming? If we know when that time is,with certainty,why keep watch? In a post rib view,there is no imminency. Why,because the number of days is specifically mentioned in Daniel12: 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.This is confirmed in Rev.13:5. Now,Jesus directly referred to the "abomination"in Daniel. There is no Jesus can return at any time,so we have to keep watch and be ready,in post trib. All we have to do is wait for the Antichrist to enter the temple and perpetrate the abomination,and the countdown begins. 1335 days when the "abomination"takes place,and the daily sacrifices are abolished,and the Messiah,who is Jesus,returns to set up His kingdom reign. There's no arguing this,it's right there plain as day. Jesus directly quoted this verse in Daniel 12. Do you think the Jews didn't know this prophecy? Well the Pharisees surely did. So why would Jesus teach that He could come at any time? Why should we "be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs of His coming,please tell me? Now Luke 17:35 makes sense,get it. You can see why the apostles ask Jesus "where" are they taken! According to what the Jews knew from O.T. prophecy,the Messiah wasn't supposed to go anywhere.He was supposed to destroy Israel's enemies and set up God's kingdom rule and reign.This is "the Day Of The Lord',that all Jews in Jesus time were already aware of,prophesied many times. The Day Of The Lord is described in these prophecies,and Jesus does mention them in the Olivet discourse,in Matt 24:29-31. But there it is,Jesus quoted Daniel 12,and 1335 days after the "abomination of desolation, Jesus will return. Why watch for it? How can He come when nobody knows? Point 2,Jesus taught this in Matt.24:Matt.24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, SO ALSO WILL THE COMING of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Verse 40,this is the rapture. They're taken (away),not killed. This prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed the temple. So,here's another scriptural contradiction,Rev.6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, ]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” See that? These people ARE aware that God's judgment is upon them,and they're terrified! And this is just the beginning of the tribulation period. Jesus taught He would return just BEFORE the judgment comes, and this has to be PRE Trib. It's absurd to believe that people will be eating and drinking (eating and drinking what? With all the famines,plagues, earthquakes,1/3 of all the green grass burned away,1/3 of the ocean dies,even if there is food in certain areas,1/3 pf all the ships destroyed.And this in just one of the trumpet judgments!) making plans to get married,and see their children grow up and marry?! People living their lives,business as usual,during the tribulation? No way! One last thing.The Rapture is NOT Jesus returning to set up His kingdom. That does happen at the end of the tribulation period,ok? The rapture is US,the Church, being taken away into the cloud to be with Jesus. And then,the wedding feast of the lamb will begin,while the tribulation begins on Earth.And,further confirmation of this is in Matt.25,the parable of the bridesmaids. Remember,the ones who ran out of oil were left out of the wedding feast? Here's the last thing, in post trib,what event signifies the tribulation has begun? Give me an answer. In pretrib,it's the rapture that begins the tribulation period. And the rapture itself,IS a judgment being pronounced upon the world. Did the apostles know what the church was when Jesus taught "Upon this rock I shall build my church,and the gate of hell shall never prevail against it"? No! They didn't know what the church was. That word ecclesia meant "called out ones". Who was that? Did they know the church would be mostly gentiles,under a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant? No. Not for decades. Only Paul had the "mystery"of the church and the rapture revealed to him.Thirty plus years later. Only the writer of Hebrews knew there was going to be a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant. Because the new covenant was for gentiles,the church. So,in the Olivet discourse,in three of the gospels, when Jesus taught about His returning,they,and everyone listening to Jesus,who knew the prophets, had no clue about the rapture.Because they didn't have a clue about what the church was! They only knew the Day Of the Lord,which comes at the end of the tribulation. Everyone who followed Jesus was looking for the Messiah to come and set up His kingdom reign. Now look up Revelation 13,5-8. There's another contradiction,one that breaks the promise Jesus made about the church. The Antichrist is given power and authority to conquer,or destroy,the "saints". Did Jesus teach "the gates of hell shall never prevail ...oh,but only until the Antichrist is revealed. No,he made a promise. These 'saints",or holy people in the Greek,are not the church. And in part,must be the 144 thousand from the 12 tribes of Israel. Now the post text of Matt.24 is Matt.25. Matt.25:“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they ALL became drowsy and FELL ASLEEP. At What time?! The time just before the rapture! How can this be at the end of tribulation? The church is going to "fall asleep"? In Rev.6,at the sixth seal,the world knows their under God's judgment. So how can the churches not know?

Wow! 35 years of Greek and missed the Bible. Also totally missed what people who follow prophecy are actually saying. Sad for you. BTW, you might want to read my post explaining why this guy totally missed the mark.

@@lufknuht5960 Jesus taught He could come at any time so we,the church,should be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs that He taught in the gospels. This is the doctrine of imminency. And the apostles also taught this in the epistles. Matt.24:43,1 Thess.5:2, 2 Peter 3:10. Jesus can come like "a thief in the night". Jesus also commanded us to keep watch over all the signs of His coming in Matt.24. It wasn't a suggestion,it is an instruction. It wasn't just to know when the "season"was upon us,and who "the generation" that sees "ALL these things" ,will be. Matt.25,the parables being taught,are post text to Matt.24. So now,if you believe in Post trib,be the first Post Trib believer in over three decades of my experience debating the rapture, to answer this question,and the other points I'bring. WHY should we watch over the signs of His coming? If we know when that time is,with certainty,why keep watch? In a post rib view,there is no imminency. Why,because the number of days is specifically mentioned in Daniel12: 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.This is confirmed in Rev.13:5. Now,Jesus directly referred to the "abomination"in Daniel. There is no Jesus can return at any time,so we have to keep watch and be ready,in post trib. All we have to do is wait for the Antichrist to enter the temple and perpetrate the abomination,and the countdown begins. 1335 days when the "abomination"takes place,and the daily sacrifices are abolished,and the Messiah,who is Jesus,returns to set up His kingdom reign. There's no arguing this,it's right there plain as day. Jesus directly quoted this verse in Daniel 12. Do you think the Jews didn't know this prophecy? Well the Pharisees surely did. So why would Jesus teach that He could come at any time? Why should we "be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs of His coming,please tell me? Now Luke 17:35 makes sense,get it. You can see why the apostles ask Jesus "where" are they taken! According to what the Jews knew from O.T. prophecy,the Messiah wasn't supposed to go anywhere.He was supposed to destroy Israel's enemies and set up God's kingdom rule and reign.This is "the Day Of The Lord',that all Jews in Jesus time were already aware of,prophesied many times. The Day Of The Lord is described in these prophecies,and Jesus does mention them in the Olivet discourse,in Matt 24:29-31. But there it is,Jesus quoted Daniel 12,and 1335 days after the "abomination of desolation, Jesus will return. Why watch for it? How can He come when nobody knows? Point 2,Jesus taught this in Matt.24:Matt.24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, SO ALSO WILL THE COMING of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Verse 40,this is the rapture. They're taken (away),not killed. This prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed the temple. So,here's another scriptural contradiction,Rev.6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, ]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” See that? These people ARE aware that God's judgment is upon them,and they're terrified! And this is just the beginning of the tribulation period. Jesus taught He would return just BEFORE the judgment comes, and this has to be PRE Trib. It's absurd to believe that people will be eating and drinking (eating and drinking what? With all the famines,plagues, earthquakes,1/3 of all the green grass burned away,1/3 of the ocean dies,even if there is food in certain areas,1/3 pf all the ships destroyed.And this in just one of the trumpet judgments!) making plans to get married,and see their children grow up and marry?! People living their lives,business as usual,during the tribulation? No way! One last thing.The Rapture is NOT Jesus returning to set up His kingdom. That does happen at the end of the tribulation period,ok? The rapture is US,the Church, being taken away into the cloud to be with Jesus. And then,the wedding feast of the lamb will begin,while the tribulation begins on Earth.And,further confirmation of this is in Matt.25,the parable of the bridesmaids. Remember,the ones who ran out of oil were left out of the wedding feast? Here's another problem, in post trib,what event signifies the tribulation has begun? Give me an answer. In pretrib,it's the rapture that begins the tribulation period. And the rapture itself,IS a judgment being pronounced upon the world. Did the apostles know what the church was when Jesus taught "Upon this rock I shall build my church,and the gate of hell shall never prevail against it"? No! They didn't know what the church was. That word ecclesia meant "called out ones". Who was that? Did they know the church would be mostly gentiles,under a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant? No. Not for decades. Only Paul had the "mystery"of the church and the rapture revealed to him.Thirty plus years later. Only the writer of Hebrews knew there was going to be a new covenant,that would abolish the old covenant. Because the new covenant was for gentiles,the church. So,in the Olivet discourse,in three of the gospels, when Jesus taught about His returning,they,and everyone listening to Jesus,who knew the prophets, had no clue about the rapture.Because they didn't have a clue about what the church was! They only knew the Day Of the Lord,which comes at the end of the tribulation. Everyone who followed Jesus was looking for the Messiah to come and set up His kingdom reign. Now look up Revelation 13,5-8. There's another contradiction,one that breaks the promise Jesus made about the church. The Antichrist is given power and authority to conquer,or destroy,the "saints". Did Jesus teach "the gates of hell shall never prevail ...oh,but only until the Antichrist is revealed. No,he made a promise. These 'saints",or holy people in the Greek,are not the church. And in part,must be the 144 thousand from the 12 tribes of Israel.

Did you listen to the whole thing? It seems you missed the solid arguments. There is only one time of resurrection where both the Holy and the wicked will be resurrected. 1 Thess 5 also refers to "coming in the clouds" as his "return". If a rapture is a "return", then we are looking for a second AND a third coming. Get it?

@@danielbu2611where is “his third coming” in the bible. That thess verse is about the last trumpet, all who have died in Jesus will be raised first. The reason why it says we shall be taken into the clouds is because earth will pass away when judgement is here

@@SaliasGaga Matt 24 is the most thorough telling of the return of Jesus, the second coming. Jesus said he would only return once to establish his kingdom. In Matt 24, he mentions clouds, the sky, a trumpet, a call of the archangel, a sign, and perhaps more I can't recall right now. EVERY "rapture" support passage mentions one of these events or the word "return". 1 Thess 4 and 5 are no different. He talks about meeting Jesus in the clouds using the Greek word used for going out to meet conquering leaders, then continues specifically mentioning it as Jesus' RETURN. Ignore that the number 5 starts a new chapter and realize that 1 Thess is a letter meant to be read continuously. chapter 5 is continuing what is said at the end of chapter 4. Therefore, if "coming in the clouds" refers to his return, then it is referring to the 2nd FINAL coming. Otherwise, a rapture would be a second coming (because it is referred to as a return) and Jesus' final coming would be a THIRD return. Does that make sense? In the end, it doesn't really matter. "Rapture or not" is one of the most useless debates in the church.

Yes there is no rapture. But.......... Thessalonians is talking about the day of the Lord when fire comes out of the sky and God melts the planet with a fervent beat. People who are saved will be called away but this is after Jesus returns at the end of his 1,000 year reign on earth. The 1,000 years begins at the end of the tribulation. There are two resurrections of the dead . The first when Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation , these dead are only the martyrs who died for Christ because of their faith. The second is at the end of the 1,000 year reign. Jesus comes back at the end of the tribulation not the beginning. There is no rapture. You have to read mid way through Revelation 19 when Jesus returns and the first 6 verses of Revelation 20 which spell's out the chronological return of Jesus . All other verses about His return have to work with these verses in Revelation.

Different events? a true christian ever read the bible in context? No but they act and judge like they did and why more Harvard students I am finding are becoming instant atheist after reading in context. What they show me is very upsetting being a believer of a Scam I hope Not. A-MEN

I used to do that too. Trouble is, that side-burner is now chocked full. 2,000 years on and still debating fundamental Bible teachings/accounts. How much longer do we have to wait to know 'the truth that sets us free'?

My understanding is, you do not have to wait. Christ Jesus said HE IS the TRUTH. If you are in Christ you ARE free. His blood purifies us completely and frees us from sin and ALL unrighteous. IMO that is good news. @@DM-he1ug

The whole point is that Christ comes only AFTER the tribulation... There is no whisking away of people in order to prevent them from facing persecution. We are told, in scripture, that we are to expect persecution and even death for the sake of Christ! "You will be persecuted and some of you will even be killed for my name's sake, but he who endures to the end will win the crown of eternal life"! Thinking that we will be whisked away before the tribulation is a deception, designed to make people fall away from Christ if this false hope is not being realized. Or, they might falsely believe that they could never be confronted with the mark of the beast and therefore just take it anyway, because, they are not supposed to be here when the mark gets rolled out, right?

So our blessed hope is going through the tribulation. The Tribulation is about the Jews not the church.

@@schlix101 Jesus taught He could come at any time so we,the church,should be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs that He taught in the gospels. This is the doctrine of imminency. And the apostles also taught this in the epistles. Matt.24:43,1 Thess.5:2, 2 Peter 3:10. Jesus can come like "a thief in the night". Jesus also commanded us to keep watch over all the signs of His coming in Matt.24. It wasn't a suggestion,it is an instruction. It wasn't just to know when the "season"was upon us,and who "the generation" that sees "ALL these things" ,will be. Matt.25,the parables being taught,are post text to Matt.24. WHY should we watch over the signs of His coming? If we know when that time is,with certainty,why keep watch? In a post rib view,there is no imminency. Why,because the number of days is specifically mentioned in Daniel12: 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.This is confirmed in Rev.13:5. Now,Jesus directly referred to the "abomination"in Daniel. There is no Jesus can return at any time,so we have to keep watch and be ready,in post trib. All we have to do is wait for the Antichrist to enter the temple and perpetrate the abomination,and the countdown begins. 1335 days when the "abomination"takes place,and the daily sacrifices are abolished,and the Messiah,who is Jesus,RETURNS to set up His kingdom reign. There's no arguing this,it's right there plain as day. Jesus directly quoted this verse in Daniel 12. Do you think the Jews didn't know the prophecies of Daniel? I can prove they did.Why would Jesus quote Daniel 12 in the first place? So why would Jesus teach that He could come at any time? WHY should we "be sober and alert,keeping watch over the signs of His coming,explain that? In Luke 17, 35,36,"One is taken (not killed). In the original Greek, from para lambano, to receive from,. The other left,from apo hiemi, left alone,sent away. Also not necessarily killed. One is received,or taken,one is left behind. Now this is an important little detail..Luke 17:37,The apostles ask "WHERE" when Jesus says they were taken,or received(unto someone). WHERE were they taken? Jesus doesn't answer that. For those who say this has to do with the invasion of Jerusalem,when Titus destroyed the temple, they're wrong. According to O.T. prophecy about the Messiah,was he supposed to leave,and then come back? No.In fact,alot of what Jesus was teaching just didn't make sense to them. So Luke 17:35 makes sense. You can see why the apostles ask Jesus "where" are they taken! According to what the Jews knew from O.T. prophecy,the Messiah wasn't supposed to go anywhere.He was supposed to destroy Israel's enemies and set up God's kingdom rule and reign.This is "the Day Of The Lord',that all Jews in Jesus time were already aware of,prophesied many times. The Day Of The Lord is described in these prophecies,and Jesus does mention them in the Olivet discourse,in Matt 24:29-31. Point 2,Jesus taught this in Matt.24:Matt.24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, SO ALSO WILL THE COMING of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Verse 40,this is the rapture. They're taken (away),not killed. This prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed the temple. So,here's another scriptural contradiction,Rev.6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, ]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” See that? These people ARE aware that God's judgment is upon them,and they're terrified! And this is just the beginning of the tribulation period. Jesus taught He would return just BEFORE the judgment comes, and this has to be PRE Trib. It's absurd to believe that people will be eating and drinking (eating and drinking what? With all the famines,plagues, earthquakes,1/3 of all the green grass burned away,1/3 of the ocean dies,even if there is food in certain areas,1/3 pf all the ships destroyed.And this in just one of the trumpet judgments!) making plans to get married,and see their children grow up and marry?! Just how reasonable is it to believe that people will be living their lives,business as usual,and making plans for their future,when literally billions are dying?! Matt.25:“ is post text to what Jesus had just taught. So the parables are about how we are to apply what we know when we begin to see "ALL these things" coming together. 1.At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they ALL became drowsy and FELL ASLEEP. At WHAT time?! The time just before the rapture! You really believe the church will fall asleep during the tribulation? In Rev.13,the Antichrist is killing Christian all over the world. But the church falls asleep!!!? These saints are not the church. In part,they are the 144000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. And didn't Jesus promise the gates of hell will never prevail against the church. He didn't say up until the tribulation,then the Antichrist will destroy the church.And when John prophesy's this in Rev.13, he doesn't say persecute the saints, he writes conquers or destroys. That's different.

Timeline Deception. There is evidence the time of Christ's Reign has already happened.

Yes! Since it is about the rapture you would expect him to mention "harpazo" right? Anyway, Jesus said we must watch and pray to escape all what is about to happen (Luke 21:36) Another scripture he refrains from mentioning and even Rev 5:8-10, who is the 24 elders redeemed from the earth from every tongue, kindred and nation before opening of the first seal. Great looking video.... but white plastered gravestone.

​@ChildofYHWH77 your not cherry picking? This rapture teaching is mainly an American evangelical teaching. Almost no one in the global church believes this. Almost no one in church history believed this teaching.

@@katiecugini979So if it is written in the Bible is it right or wrong?

The very elect will be deceived. Please know God's word for yourself

@@markhicks7171 Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect. Yes... please know the word of God yourself ;)