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Thank you, and a small form factor Server setup with 4 RasPi 5s will make this product a win for the budget user's... MASSIVE GRATITUDE FOR THE REVIEW CHUCK... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
im interesting in part "mounting the sbm drive" :) -- im having issues to mount 2 drives that i have in deck connected to router's usb. Windows PC sees them without issues (and both are mapped as network drives), but in Linux...i cant mount them for some reason...i tried everything :(
@NetworkChuck still can't log in to your academy after purchasing the subscription. It's been a couple months trying to contact support or you via email, comments or twitter(X) and all completely ignored. All support links are dead and email addresses "do not exist". It's an awful experience being a paying customer and feeling scammed. Don't offer a service if you won't actually support it after taking my money. It's such a shame bc your free content is amazing, and you seem so genuinely kind, but this is not okay.
This honestly. I don't know from a production level, but it seems like this is a far cry from the old $35 price point, and to remove the composite cable. I don't understand why you need 4k on a Pi... if anything I'd much rather this stick with 1080p performance if it could have knocked things down in cost. $60 is no longer an impulse buy. It's now something I have to make as a calculated decision. Cause two PI-5's can be the same as an old desktop which will be a lot more useful.
@@Gnecro Wow! Can’t believe they already sold through those and now just have 3,400 left to order for January 2024. Edit: It seems DigiKey is a bit better and has 1,800 available for order in mid December
Glad you got in some quality time testing in both 4K displays. I wonder if performance would be slightly better on a single HD display for openarena especially!
The Welsh factory is churning out millions of Pi 4s. Current waiting times on new stock about 6-8 weeks. Pi 5s not expected until the New Year, though some are hoping for end-December delivery (unlikely).
@@sharpfangMicrocenter is pretty good about selling things in such a way that people can actually get them. I guarantee they'll have people camping out for them though.
The annoying part is that the newer models are just going further and further from being accessible kind of going against the idea of raspberry pi, I just hope they can keep the weaker models and still manufacture them.
Thank you for saying it out loud. Every day, RPi becomes a little more of a cult. Not the loveable upstart that made computing accessible as it once was.
Accessible how? In terms of price? That's inflation for you...California just passed a raise in minimum wage for fast-food workers to $20/hr. Once that takes effect someone working at Mcdonalds in California will be able to buy a Raspberry Pi 5 after a half days work.
I really don't like, that it has a fan by default now. Of cause there will be third-party passive coolers, but I think that no moving parts was a key selling point for the older models.
To add on, I think the selling point was also the fact that often you didn't need one! Sure the Rpi5 is much faster then the RPi4, but that extra performance came at a cost of power input and size.
The fan is optional. The Pi 5 will throttle to stay safe under heavy load, so it can even run without active cooling, but cases doing passive cooling can prevent throttling. The extra cooling requirement actually started with the Pi 4 - more performant chips generate more heat. I started buying FLIRC cases since the Raspberry Pi 3 because I prefer using my Pis both safely and quietly.
Fun trivia. The RPi5 has a Broadcom chip in it. The Technology Director at Broadcom is Sophie Wilson who single handedly designed the ARM ISA in 1983 while working for Acorn Computers (remember the BBC Micro?)!
Pretty much everyone involved in the RPi development are current or former Broadcom employees. And there's a lot of people oscillating between ARM and Broadcom in Cambridge. Not that many other fabless design shops there...
This felt like a raspberry pi sales pitch to me. I’m so excited for the Pi5 and will buy probably quite a few but felt like he didn’t wanted to disappoint raspberry pi and say anything negative.
Felt the same, despite the 4K video freezing and 1 YT video lagging at 720p all he said was 'it is usable' But this is just the common Pi Experience as a desktop, hence why i would try some debloated linux distro instead of Raspbian
Been a follower of his for a little while now; he gets excited when new tech that he's passionate about is launched like the rest of us. He's just making a video about it and his excitement shines. I personally have no interest in a Raspberry Pi. I have no use for one. But just seeing what it's capable of fascinates me.
@@pxolqopt35972.4 GHz quad-core is getting close to my old workstation 3.0 GHz CPU running Windows. So with a leaner OS, maybe it can earn the title "workstation" 8Gb RAM of course.
That's because he's HIGHLY likely been given a few hundred dollars in Raspberry Pi tech gear for free. Can't look a gift horse in the mouth now can we? NOT when there's a ton of other shit & accessories that they'll release that he'll likely get for free as well.
It’s over 18 I had one, but after three years of opening up chrome tabs do USB-C port stopped working the microSD card slot stopped working, and chrome was broken
@@Vicenteprz Ras pi 1 2 and 3 were $35. As we got into Ras Pi 4 there were different versions and I think the Ras pi 4 1GB was the $35 ( or close to $35 ) version. Rasp pi 5 there seems to be nothing close to $35.
@@dominick253 _Inflation my friend..._ not really. The fact is that Raspberry Pi moved from a hobbyists to an enterprise oriented product but failed to suffice the supply to satisfy the huge demand the businesses caused. All those factors cause the board shortages and push the prices up high. But in fact Raspberry Pi is quite mediocre product which doesn't even have a native PCI-E SATA interface on-board which is absolutely ridiculous especially when the others do.
Hey Chuck, I love all your videos.Your passion for IT is genuinely infectious! It resonates with me deeply, and it's inspiring to see someone so fired up about it. :)
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965exactly. This channel is good for the newbies getting some passion into IT otherwise its just an overhyped channel which selling “cd” as a masterhacker command.
For checking temps or other stuff "live" in terminal just do: watch -n1 'your command' Very useful, you don't need to use the same command over and over again since it will basically send that command every second now and display the output in a live preview. Very useful
And, as an added bonus, the Raspi 5 offers countless 'influencers' unending numbers of viewers! Nice unit, but SBCs that continue to eat more power are, for many people, contrary to the original purpose: portable computing, off batteries.
Today's a Raspberry 5 announcement day. My RU-vid is flooded with videos on Raspberry 5 announcements! Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to know it'll be available next month.
I need help dont know shit about raspberries. But i have a infrared t2 pro thermal camera that i want to build a long range drone around. Heard id need a raspberrypi to do this. Not sure if its possibly. And then send the signal to a monitor or controler.
Hello Chuck, I couldn’t find a quick guide on RU-vid explaining how to install Windows 10 or Windows 11 on Raspberry Pi 5. I would greatly appreciate it if you could create a detailed and engaging guide on this topic, perhaps to enjoy with a good coffee.
Best thing about the Pi5 is that i will finally be able to buy a Pi4 and maybe at a resonable price. With all this inflation and preice gouging.... I just went into purchasing stasis.
Love it! I do wish they swapped out the micro hdmi ports for vertical fullsized hdmi ports (or even just 1 horizontal one) and kept the 3.5mm headphone jack but even so I'm definitely picking one up. Also pronouncing the gpu as a 'Videocore Vee-two' confused me for a moment, its just roman numerals for 7.
I switched to an OrangePI 5 after the stock issues. I have never looked back! Amazing little piece of kit! The new RPI 5 however does look really promising. I think guys have been eagarly waiting for this release!
Awesome Chuck! My objective now till November next: increase my raspberry cluster with a RPi5 and increase my spark cluster performance with AI and machine learning capabilities. Also test the crypto capabilities. Thank you from Brazil for this your demonstration. 👊🏽
It’s great that of a lot of RU-vidrs are doing reviews on these. Raspberry pi lost a huge market share due to it shortage the last 3 years.. but how does the new PI stack up against some of the others that were released as a replacement.. my guess is they are still lacking in some things. Once the hype is over with this “new” model can you do a side by side from others? I know Jeff has already posted about some things about some comparisons.
I think Jeff Geerling (I probably miss spelled it) compared it and it can compete with orange pi, but not with twice more expensive rockchip, but at least it seems competitive and keeping up.
@@rmo9808 support is very valuable, but these things were meant for tinkers/programmers/DIY people, they already go into things naturally with uncertainity, case in point I have made 5 different Asian clones work as multiple use cases
I use rpi's for many projects. I use them exclusively because of rpi os, long term support, and the fact they have a great community around it. Projects include wifi controllers, animated light show players and digital signage.
The responsiveness actually wasn't bad given that it's running off of an SD card. I wonder if it can boot from an SSD over that nice new PCIE interface
should be able to electrically, but unsure if any one has made a case or adaptor to do it neatly. Currently Argon Forty makes a die-cast alloy case (V2 case) for the Raspberry 4B that you add their M.2 base to..... then you can install your SATA (M.2) SSD (eg: a Kingston A400 or WD Green) and yes it boots. I'm using one. (They also do a NVMe base for that case, I am not sure of the name for it.) But the Pi 5 is physically different from the Pi 4B.... so you might have to wait for a neat and tidy solution for now. At this point I can see bare circuit boards, connector cables and plug and sockets and SSD cards on a bench....
I am curious about the transcoding performance and such for Plex. The PCIe extension has a lot of promise. I've been fighting current hardware prices because I want to go back to using a closet NAS. The Pi4 just didn't have the stones I needed, and anything MiniITX is insanely overpriced.
So far it looks like AVC/264 transcode speeds are going to be slower since the hardware AVC is gone, but probably faster than the Pi 4 on Plex since they never supported the Pi 4 encoder anyway. If Plex chooses to support the new HEVC/265 hardware then speeds are going to be much better there. Still no hardware AV1, so it’s probably not going to be able to stream those transcodes above like 720p. The Pi 5 can make a decent media player, but there are better media server options at a similar price point and power consumption level.
@@JamesCusano Dang. Ahh well. Guess I'll be going back to the mITX/used server plan. On the upside, I've heard great things about those low profile Intel Arc cards for media server applications.
@@r0bo11 pcie gen 2 is fine for hard drives, most of the HBAs used in homelab are pcie gen 2 anyway. You would definitely have to power the hard drives with a different power supply, but this is easy to do.
5gbps bandwidth is kinda desktop levels of standard, I am impressed. Wait so the memory is DDR4 at 4.2ghz? Thats also kinda impressive, definately going to build a media center with this one.
The main selling point of a media center is "the picture", how can you underestimate laggy framerates, did u even watch the video? This kills the suspense in movies that rely on it for artistic effect, and for many kills watching for longer periods of time in general
I've never actually used a raspberry pi before, but I just got the orange pi 5 plus to mess with, and it has an 8 core with 16gb of ram, so maybe if you wanted a desktop, that may be a better alternative, but I'm sure there's better software support out of the box and crap for this, I'm just excited to play around with any arm sbc. I want to put my pi into a crappy netbook to run android apps, and maybe replace my phone for most stuff since big brother is getting too big for me.
Dual 4k60 is cool, but with the extra cores, how does it do with openWRT or opnsense? Is it a better router? A better firewall? A better piHole? You know, the stuff most of us use a Pi for.
I found this review better and more useful as a consumer than all the technical tests, numbers and benchmarks. Wish more reviewers would just play around with it for a bit in day to day usage.
@@IHateGoogle6969 he showed some what a use case scenario. Data to the level of gamers nexus has its place and is useful. But it’s nice to just see how it performs especially if you don’t already have a point of reference to base the charts, graphs and numbers off of. And not just a benchmark video or worst premium benchmark but an actual daily use example. Why buy an i9 when all your daily needs is a i3, something a consumer. Wouldn’t be able to tell from a cinabench score with out a point of reference. For example the actual video playback at 4K. Numbers and charts would have shown increase over pi 4 (I have one) which I know can’t do video well or even just typing in google docs. So does the 5 perform better? Data says yes. But the video of a Chuck playing a video at 4K shows, no it still has a little ways to go.
bit of an odd take since a cluster's main characteristic is power through having more units with less performance per price, instead of 1 or 2 strong performing units (like a desktop or traditional server), in this case a rack of chinese clones will outperform the entire raspberry pi brand->line unites for the price. Reliability specifically is not relevant because you think it's bad because it's Chinese, because 1 of the major advantages is specifically in cluster computing, that multiple nodes can fail, and the cluster keeps operating just a bit slower until you swapped the faulty units. You price will be lower and your parallel computing power greater per price point with Chinese clones
The Pi 5 seems to be migrating out of its embedded niche. Seems to be an OK if underpowered Desktop replacement, but massively overpowered for a lot of embedded applications. Not sure I personally get the appeal for that. 1 litre formfactor business machines are pretty danged small with true desktop power and some modularity.
I guess the Pi has the price advantage by quite a bit compared to 1L PCs, and GPIO. Raspberry Pi probably thinks that the Zero W 2 took up the niche for more embedded use cases.
@@dtaggartofRTD true, though one of the complaints I've heard from people is that larger customers have preferential treatment in getting Pi's before regular retail channels, so it depends.
@@seshpenguin That's another issue with Pis. Can't build a project around a board you can't get. I've had to scrounge substitutes for several Pi projects. Old thin clients, and off lease 1L boxes have been my go-to lately since Pis are just too much of a pain to source.
Did you do the project? How did it go? I’d go with a 4 - there’s a ton of documentation on it and you don’t need anything serious, especially for personal use. I’ll be getting a 4 when I finish my router. I’m using an old dell optiplex to run proxmox and virtualize pfsense or opnsense and a few other things. I may set the pihole up virtual on proxmox too depending how the old dell handles everything. Kind of want to do it on a pi4 just for the portability aspect
@@TREXYT awesome man! Yeah I’ve been between the pi 4 and one of those Zima boards now (have you seen them?). Zima is more expensive but would let me do more on the road. I like the idea of being able to bring a router, vpn, pihole, nas all on a family road trip
@@hvacmisadventures you dont need a zima for this project , i used pi4 2gb, you can use pi3 even small raspberry pi does the job, zima is for big projects which ask for more power
After seeing that video of a guy modding a switch to run box86 games, Im SUPER hyped to see what we can do with the Pi 5 Not because we should, but because we can
When you played the game in the small window, I have remebered when we played Doom in 1993 on 286 - connected 2 with serial cable. We needed to shrink it to such small window even on 320x240 CRT monitor ... oh, memories.
Will the fan kick off once it cools down or does it run all the time? If so, it would be really cool to and a script that would allow us to put in a temp factor where we could control it from not running all the time if not needed. Thanks for all your great videos, man!
A while ago, I realized an old device I had had a raspberry 3 in it. Today I formatted the SD card, replaced it with 32 GB, and installed the OS and really liked it. I think Raspberry Pi OS is the cleanest, nicest, simplest operating system I have seen… and I’ve used a lot. So I now really like the raspberry pi.
wow! the raspberry pi has come a long way:) i remember getting my raspberry pi model b back in 2014:) no bluetooth, no wifi:). i think i will finally upgrade my raspberry pi. i curently use a raspberry pi 2
This is the example of a project that started as small affordable device for dev and projects, and moved forward to other direction, on a very expensive board, with active cooling (a very big failing point), on a very powerful CPU/GPU. But thats what the marked asked for, so yeah, they went there. Review though is nice. I actually came here to see "why and when the PI got so expensive"
IMO they shouldn't add onboard storage in the future. SD cards are really comfortable to swap out and quickly change the OSes, it would also take more space which is crucial for a microcomputer
You can use pliers to remove them. Look closely for the direction of the spready bits, use pliers and carefully pinch them while pushing them into the board. As soon as both clisps are in, just use a corner of the pliers to push it the rest of the way. Don't break anything and you can use it again if you needed to. I'm sure you can't do that too many times, so don't do it any more than necessary.
The Raspberry Pi was designed to offer hobbyists an affordable solution for creating IoT projects or prototypes. There is no need to make these devices overly expensive or powerful. If you require a full-fledged computer, it's more practical to consider purchasing a budget laptop with features like an Intel Celeron or AMD Ryzen 3 processor, which are more powerful than the Raspberry Pi's CPU. These laptops come with displays, more RAM, and built-in storage. The beauty of the Raspberry Pi lies in its compact size, light weight, and very affordable price. It's essential not to compromise this beauty by attempting to turn it into a high-powered computer.
Seems awesome. Tbh I'm not a fan of those moving parts, the active cooling. You might wanna use the RPi someplace other than the living room, and moving parts will break. They should make an equivalent passive cooling system, if a cooling system is needed. (unless ofc this is a panametric fan they are using, which is unbreakable). The power button seems convenient but it's not really, I'd rather they had 2 extra pins for it, to connect your own doordle spring or handle it programmatically, which fits better the RPi I think, for what it is and its intended uses. Other than those minor issues, awesome.
I’d bet if you got it setup to boot from a real SSD using a SATA to USB connector, that it would probably run a hell of a lot smoother. If it has PCIe 2.0, then there are going to be people adding NVMe storage. Maybe by the next generation they’ll put an NVMe connector on the back, so you can use one of those little ones like they used in the Steam Deck-because if they do, that’ll make them legit low-end PCs. Obviously you’re gonna want to keep the SD reader, but I think adding the connector is way more useful than even those camera connectors. My primary use for these are for emulation, and there was a lot of stuff the 4 came really close to running, so I’m looking forward to the added grunt being able to make certain games functional.
