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Afraid from existential threat from the US in particular seems to correlate very well.. Who can have a working mind and see the shit show happening there in all aspects of their reality and then also see the consequences it creates around the world. Of course it has a relationship, just imagine how it could be if US could actually stop provoking wars or ww3 and focusing on win win globally, that would be a good thing for the world... But this is not what we get nor see any traces of, quite the opposite for my entire life (still remember 1st gulf war)....
@@philosophy-of-science-and-law It took two clicks for me to get the video to play. And that's after it was recommended on my feed, and I added it to my queue. There was the frozen screen with the play button, then there was the consent confirmation.
I feel your frustrations around censorship. I've heard all the reasoning about this platform being a corporation, so they should be able to call the shots and are able to regulate what happens on their platform. But that comes from the ideas we've taken for granted and came from how our civilisation has evolved. I feel these corporations should have far greater responsibility than what is given. They have incredible rights and almost no responsibility to speak off... As these platforms have so many, deep consequences for not only our civilisation at large but for each individual human being as well. I think we should look at how our world is structured and how it should work, anew. Great video. Thank you ❤.
They had massive resources and massive incentives to make social media as addictive as possible; and they did so. We don't let kids near chemical drugs.
For the last decade I have researched internet culture and warned anyone who would listen that kids should not be given free access to social media OR the internet without comprehensive education about how to understand what you see and how to use it. Everyone treated me like I was chicken little. No one listened and to this day they still don’t listen. My kids are not on the internet. And this wasn’t just concerned parent research. I was in graduate school working on a final project discussing the ethics of gender and how the internet affects that. (In other words what do “men” and “women” owe each other as ethical human beings and how the internet affects thier behavior and beliefs about it. I predicted that the internet (ie social media and other platforms for trading information) was going to form a chasm between men and women, increase depression and loneliness, and we would see an increase in violence bubbling over from the web, especially directed at girls and women. That was a full decade ago. 😂
I won’t comment on the others but adhd and depression meds are usually only harmful to those without the conditions (anti depressants are known to occasionally cause the depressed to feel constantly apathetic)
Studies show that talk about suicide in media often will act as a catalyst for those who are already suicidal to take their own lives. Especially young people. It's real. That's why.
@@kaospilot2774 It's ironic then that doing it takes more effort than moving on, and yet they choose to do it. Probably brainwashed by their parents to follow any text.
@kaospilot2774 that'd funny...I feel.that way specifically because of how fake everything is. Everything is gaslighting lying fake and all my channels I get real information from are gutting banned or removed while msm gaslighting is the front of every search result....... Now hiring signs mean absolutely nothing anymore...when I try to.talk about it online anywhere I get censored. .. That's why I now feel this way....not what u said
@@kaospilot2774And other studies show that talking about suicide and how it's bad will make someone change their mind and they wouldn't do it. So why one study is better than the other?
Agreed. This is high quality content, and I'm this creator's biggest fan and yet...it took RU-vid 2 weeks to show me this video in my feed. Algorithm problems, much?
I deleted all social media almost a year ago (save for RU-vid) all cold turkey. I never felt like I missed anything and my outlook on life and self worth greatly improved
Look into Buddhism, not to become a Buddhist but to understand the human suffering comes from desires and fear/pain. It teaches you to observe the notion of them and then be able to step back and see that some pursuits cause suffering. Dont try to be happy or not happy, just be and observe. Online activity normally spikes dopmine happy chasing or pain from insults or rejection. Use the internet as a tool, be aware of your use of it and use it in moderation. Put it down and do something else from time to time
@@HairbyNardiathat's like telling drug addicts to just not take drugs. It doesn't necessarily work like that. It'd be great if it did, but if you're a young person growing up today, social media is almost unavoidable. It's how you communicate. If you don't have it you feel left out. There's definitely an element of personal responsibility. I'm not saying you're wrong - people SHOULD try to limit their time on apps like Snapchat. But placing the responsibility entirely on the individual risks letting the companies and organisations off the hook for their systematic failure to properly police their content. It's like oil companies making us feel guilty for using plastic straws whilst they're busy drowning sea turtles in oil spills and stuff
My biggest fear with social media has always been that my mistakes and embarrassing moments could always be immortalized with the click of a button and shared for everyone to see.
Don’t worry, if you don’t screw up real bad ain’t nobody gonna remember. They are just thinking about their own mistakes and embarrassing moments. Just move on with your life and don’t think too much about those things.
Its simply outrageous youtube qualifies this as harmful content. Very well sustained and referenced too. It seems any useful content that its beyond what the algorythm considers profitable will get instantly 'censored'. Other channels experience the same. Anyway, keep up the good work, your videos make me think a lot and reinforce my quitting on social media, mainly instagram.
@@pattyofurnitureAge restricted videos get buried in the algorithm which makes the videos harder to find. This video needs to be seen by many people, so a warning could hurt that ability. This video still got recommended to me, so it seems to be doing ok.
@@hope-cat4894 I got a warning that suicide and self harm would be discussed. Having lost a loved one to murder in a murder suicide, I find it helpful to be able to brace myself for uncomfortable content. I don't imagine the algorithms can determine whether the content is promoting or preventing suicide and I wouldn't want children being provided with instructions.
There's one concept I feel so many overlook: is social media inherently the problem, or is it the way it is designed that's the problem? I tend to lean more to the latter. Remember these are businesses, the goal of business is maximum profit and infinite growth. For social media what is most profitable is engagement, and negativity drives engagement the most, so algorithms push for content that elicit the most negative reactions possible. It is rewarded the most, and put into feeds the most. Would social media still be as harmful if this was not the guiding principle of their design? What if social media actually encouraged the social aspect, be designed for forging connections, and rewarded more positive content? I'm no expert, but I'm no technocynic either, I feel technology could enhance our lives rather than make it worse if it were made for such, and as long as it is made to be sold and generate wealth and profit that's not going to be the case because what is profitable and what is good for us are rarely the same.
I think the question we need to ask ourselves, is how valuable to us is freedom and ease of speech? I think it's one of the most valuable freedoms, and we should make systems that reflect that. I hope we're just in the late stage of online capitalism-caused censorship, and that globally, we'll push for more freedom of speech online somehow.
There's been a general degradation of " civility" and "politesse" in social interaction, and no it's not limited to the internet. We're exposed to a 24/7 cable news cycle, that features warring politicians in the Congress and the Senate; especially during the election cycle. There's a lack of "collegiality" and mutual respect that existed a few decades ago, ni matter how heated things got. It can become more pronounced online, as anonymity is a factor. I'm American, and our parameters regarding appropriate social interaction have broken down considerably. Hostile behavior has become " normalized".
It’s funny how when multi-billion dollar social media companies are confronted about their issues their excuse is “it’s too hard” to do anything about it. But if poorer individuals do something “wrong”, the full force of the law is brought down on them.
Yup. If you don't have coin, connections, crews, clout, computer code, control, communities, and opportunities... you got NOTHIN'. 💪😎✌️ That's just how it is in 202x.
I need to let you know that this video, this topic, this channel, are so very Important to me. Very informative, Very useful, Very respectful. Thank you! Thank you very much!
I always think social media is the root of my depression, but when I delete my apps I get significantly more depressed because my friends will only communicate with me if I'm on Instagram..
that communication isnt really doing anything for you. unless its making money somehow. if you arent making acquiring money the intention of every waking (and sleeping) second of your life, you are going to spend your life in squalor and destitution.
I felt the same way. Closed all my social media accounts and have not regretted it at all, though, despite the isolation. Its made me more artistic and creative.
@user-yp5ry9ll2q I do nothing but learn what I think is the hardest romantic or impressionist era piano song and try to perfect it, then discover another and have to learn that one, on repeat. I guess with social media nothing is impressive to anybody, but also it's unhealthy to depend on validation through impressing people. I just don't know what else to do with my time. It's that or shredding the guitar, learning kendama tricks, or bringing my speedcubing (rubiks i.e.) personal best time down. Just started getting into slacklining now too. Like why have such an inferiority complex while also being at the top of the class in engineering and cs in college despite dealing with h addiction at the time and ... ptsd prolly
It’s been a while now, but right before the 2016 American presidential election I put in some 12-or-so-hour days off commenting on social media, and I always felt terrible afterward. Not just mentally, but physically too
I don’t doubt more folks are offing themselves. When I was a teenager other kids in my town “passed away in their sleep” who I knew were severely anxious and traumatized.
Kind of came across your channel on accident. It's been a happy one though. Much food for thought in every video so far. I'm a senior tech at an apartment complex. Lots of hours alone in units that need a lot of work. It's good to be able to listen to something mindful while doing so instead of the drivel so many other channels deliver. Thanks much, will probably become a patreon soon as well.
It's weird how some channels don't get censored at all and have truly dangerous content. Keep doing the good work. Your material is top shelf and always has been.
@@CTimmerman ... with whom one is still expected to compete. It does not help that people present edited versions of themselves. They don't show the warts, and we all have warts of various types. So you are presented with a world in which you seem to be at the bottom of the heap. How the hell do you imagine this makes a young girl feel?
Ultimately, the real issue is our culture. Social media platforms just give us a very publicly visible forum to express these behaviors and sentiments that already exist. We have to re-evaluate our motivations and our goals, otherwise these behaviors will persist, even in the absence of this technology.
Social relationships through the cybernetic has created a split between the real subject and the cybernetic subject in an almost schizophrenic mask this has deepened the embodied alienation with in our current hyper individualist capitalist society
Some of the first mobile phones were exactly that, just a phone with a text ability, but with no toxic media, and they lasted a week with just one charge!
I liked, shared, and am commenting to try to fight the algorithm's tendency to de-monetize videos that discuss subjects like this. I also recognize the irony of doing this on a social media site (we consider RU-vid social media, no? It has parasocial relationship behavior on it so I reckon it is, though perhaps to a lesser extent than Insta or FB as it's more entertainment related and less networking oriented)
I think one issue becomes who watches the watchmen when it comes to application of rules. Also, In a transparent system bad actors can circumvent through transparency of process, in a nontransparent system we can be left victim to unclear rules.
I live in the US and in my city we had a huge uptick in teen violence about a year ago. The city freaked out, fired the police chief, marched to city hall, argued for stricter punishments and all this stuff. Yet not a single person realized that the reason the crime was spiking was because some Australian guy had started a RU-vid channel where he and a whole bunch of people all over the world would cheer on acts of violence coming from my city specifically. Like this dude decided he liked our “grimey hood culture” and started making teens famous worldwide for being the biggest most dangerous “thugs” they could be. He was boosting videos, pumping real money to these kids who had nothing but a cell phone and no more fks to give. It culminated in a 19 year old live-streaming a city wide shooting spree. As soon as that dude moved on to another city, the crime rates here dropped again. I’m keep telling folks about it and they look at me like I’m crazy. Y’all, the internet is bleeding into the real world and no one is prepared to stop it. Full grown adults were willing to throw these boys in prison for the rest of their lives but refused to even acknowledge what was causing the issue.
Great content as always. Highlighting an important issue on a platform that is uneasy about allowing even mature and thiughtful discussion, is a bold move. Discussion is needed, though, and good on you for following through!
RU-vid comments are safe tough, right? Right?! 🤔🤔🤔 Freedom of reach for the profit of a select handful of CEOs. Who could possibly find objective reasons against it 🤷♂
I'm so glad you did a video on this topic specifically. Very good work! Wishing you the best out of these insidious algorithms - and out of life in general. Take care. 💚
People who suffer social anxiety, antisocial, suicidal and depression need the most interaction and guidance as possible for they feel left out and might take their own life..
Free speech shouldn’t always be allowed in companies like copyright or online platforms. But free speech is more about people being able to publish things or write or say things out loud without persecution.
In fast-to-consume content platforms like Instagram and tic toc beauty, looks and status are the main commodities. These aren't platforms for philosophy, science, or any of the major fields of human thought. So for people who value looks and beauty the gains which are just simple likes or in the best case some ad revenue do not reward its means to an end because the supply of these commodities is so vast on these platforms, depression is the major mechanism that the unhappy subconscious self shows that.
this isnt necessarily true. we cant quantify what pushes actual human influence because most of the traffic comes from single board computer bot farms these days. its just whoever buys the most bot traffic, basically whoever is willing to invest the most in trying to appear popular with a big number on the internet lol
It’d be interesting to look at social media as amplifying the fundamental hazard that is social life in itself - we have been harming each other via socialising for ever, but it’s perhaps the rate of it and its reach that makes it significantly worse
Mark Fisher wrote an essay about his experience with Twitter, aptly titled "Exiting the Vampire Castle". Imho it's highly recommended for anyone suffering from social media use.
then quit that side of the internet. The false belief that it will ever change anything important is the root of its problems. Unless you live in a very poor country, its completely worthless except for finding funny memes.
What annoys me is that I tried downloading this video knowing it would be a sensitive topic, but when I tried to finally go back and listen to it, youtube wouldn't let me. It's like they don't want people talking about the negative side of social media
I deleted snapchat in February, Instagram and Facebook last month cold turkey. No regrets and I'll never go back. My mind feels calm now and no anxiety from comparison or world news.
I had a "viewer discretion advised" on this when literally I've seen censored videos of Aaron Bushnell without such a warning; notwithstanding the litany of news reporting on him. It's absolutely ludicrous that yt would flag this content over that. If a teen already had access to RU-vid and watched this video, it could save their life _because_ of the topics herein.
Big shoutout to you for adressing this topic and briging it to the surface. As I notice in everyday life, social media has made us less sociable - as ironical as it is. Conversations and needed human interactions don't emerge as they used to as the eyes are glued to screens and the focus of the brain is solely engaged with the content depicted on it. I've had numerous encounters where people don't even notice their surroundings as they percieve reality differently - that's the scale in which it's affecting us. Make a test: Go outside and walk for a few minutes in a crowded area - then notice how many people are staring at their phones - this isn't a local phenonemon. It's quite frankly a frightening sight to behold in which direction this is heading. These altered behaviors will have far reaching consequences to humanity as a whole - but they will only get noticed by the larger public when the situation has become Hells manifestation on earth. That is: A silent metaphysical death of the self. Every waking our is consumed by virtual information which builds an abstracted world in its own. [...] So thanks again for making this! It's an important step to notice the "trivial" fungus spreading beneath the surface.
Same was said about books. It's the people's problem to interrupt movie night with reading their notifications and not even reading the ones they watch the movies with's notifications until a week later.
I very much agree that it has become difficult to talk about subjects that require public discourse in order to advocate proactive solutions. I understand that this is sometimes done partly in an effort to protect people, but in spaces where people are directly effected by a problem it can add to the problem as well as stop solutions. Often the reasons to stop such discourse when it is in public or even financial interest is due to legal issues. Best I can say is that even if people make it difficult to talk about subjects we can still talk about as much surrounding a problem as possible even if we can’t say certain things. We can also promote attention to areas where discussion, solutions and efforts to confront problems are being made. Generally, it’s not about the words you can’t say or where you can’t say it, but what you can say and where you can say it to make impact. Not everyone who wants to advocate for an issue is going to be able to do that kind of maneuvering though, so it still reduces advocacy as well as spaces for advocacy and adds more red tape to being proactive.
The fact that you have to censor yourself on important topics on a western platform Displays what's wrong with our social platforms. Didn't think that the dollar would be the arm that limit our ability to discuss.
advertisers respond to people somehow making the belief that showing an ad means endorsing whatever the ad was shown on. Hence now they need to know who shows what, and yt needs to make sure these advertisers dont need to fear while using their platform, thus censorship algorithms. This was our fault
Social media could have been a great tool of communication. Instead it became fertile manure to grow fear, violence, bullying and bigotry. I do not know where to start improvement, but healthy dialogue instead of hateful eristics seems to be a vital part of it …
I'm not sure if you're going to mention it, but if you break down the demographics with those statistics, it's overwhelmingly people of color. I think that's a really important thing that's left out at the very beginning of this video.
It’s interesting…..there is a clear correlation and even if the causal aspect is contested it will become apparent in the end…..I always think of the smoking culture….when it suits corporate interest the harmful effects will be denied and legally obfuscated and contested and the can kicked down the road….because powerful and vested interests have their own gain at heart …..they know what it’s doing…..
You need to be invited to in the group of cool kids or be recommended by one of the cool kidss,also most nebula subscribers still don’t use nebula they use RU-vid
This is a sensitive topic, but also an important one, and it was handled very intelligently in your video. Thank you. I really don't see the need for RU-vid to flag this. Instead, why doesn't the owner of RU-vid, Google, flag these harmfulness social media websites in their browser when people access them? Since they are so concerned about our mental well-being?
as a teenager it’s a “boomer-ish” view to blame social media for mental health issues and broader social problems, but i just do. when i downloaded tiktok, my anxiety rose, i experienced my first bout of depression, and i started having panic attacks every night. when i deleted it all of this got exponentially better. there’s no way around it, tiktok was the problem.
But you're saying the government ought to be the ones to determine what speech is considered concerning. In the US, the right to free speech was originally meant to be all-encompassing. That means that calls to violence, hate speech, threats, etc are all supposed to be protected forms of speech. Obviously, there's a few problems with that. Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater could cause panic and serious injury or death to individuals, even if that was not the intent. However, the problem is that the door has been opened, leading to a steep, slippery slope of potential for banned speech. Maybe our government today would not ban anti-government sentiments, but the government of tomorrow might consider those sentiments to be a prelude to terrorist activity and take steps to ban such speech and arrest perpetrators. As it could go with any speech. People and governments have, can, and will use speech suppression persecute others.
