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The Real Life Dune Ornithopter... it was French! 

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@enzohumeau8864
@enzohumeau8864 2 месяца назад
Least crazy french design be like:
@ommsterlitz1805
@ommsterlitz1805 2 месяца назад
it works often though the stato reactor (scram jet) are now working technology for exemple
@hamaljay
@hamaljay 2 месяца назад
Fo Chauchat (Show-sha the French machine gun). Chauchat (Show-sha)
@lucasread1743
@lucasread1743 2 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂😂
@treanttrooper6349
@treanttrooper6349 2 месяца назад
I see your crazy Frenchman, and raise you One British Submarine with a FIXED 305mm gun
@ommsterlitz1805
@ommsterlitz1805 2 месяца назад
Ever heard about the even crazier Surcouf submarine carrying a plane and 2 turreted guns 😉👍@@treanttrooper6349
@weregarurumon3202
@weregarurumon3202 2 месяца назад
The Baguette must Flow
@sr7129
@sr7129 2 месяца назад
Ouisan Al Gaib
@ARC282-wc4mt
@ARC282-wc4mt 2 месяца назад
He who controls frogs, controls Paris
@HariSupriono
@HariSupriono 2 месяца назад
Fre[nch]men
@Chris-zm6sc
@Chris-zm6sc 2 месяца назад
@@HariSuprionoYou got it all.
@thegto8535
@thegto8535 2 месяца назад
As a frenchman i say hell yeah to that ! 🤣
@TheEnrieb
@TheEnrieb 2 месяца назад
I can imagine an ornithopter working as a really tiny insect sized drone designed to infiltrate buildings. I cannot imagine it working as a normal sized drone or even aircraft due to air density, mechanical stress and gravity.
@dorsk84
@dorsk84 2 месяца назад
If I'm correct. The wing tips would be super sonic.
@KlaxontheImpailr
@KlaxontheImpailr 2 месяца назад
This reminded me of the hunter-killer scene in the movie.
@darthquigley
@darthquigley 2 месяца назад
Ornithopters can at least scale up to normal drone sized. For example, the various robot birds and bats Festo has made over the last few years.
@JDubzDrumz
@JDubzDrumz 2 месяца назад
There are ornitophter drones. 😅 They actually can fly far longer because of the gliding affect. 🤷🏻‍♂️ if you don't believe me, there's one that looks like a parrot that I believe broke a flight record. 😅 I could be remembering incorrectly.
@wilmersandstrom2826
@wilmersandstrom2826 2 месяца назад
​@@JDubzDrumzI think that he might be referring specifically to the dragonfly style design rather then any design with flapping wings.
@SP-wk1en
@SP-wk1en 2 месяца назад
I don't know about you, but when I'm designing a machine I try to include as many moving parts as possible.
@tangow371
@tangow371 2 месяца назад
V 22 Osprey mechanics: 😰
@samuellawless617
@samuellawless617 2 месяца назад
spoken like a true french engineer
@p99guy
@p99guy 2 месяца назад
@@tangow371fantastic they are… 100% problems free , are not.
@Joesolo13
@Joesolo13 2 месяца назад
@@tangow371 tbf any VTOL is going to have way more moving parts than something that just flies normal. Much less a tilt rotor. Only so much you can trim
@RazorsharpLT
@RazorsharpLT 2 месяца назад
@@tangow371The Osprey is still magnificient. Less accidents than happened with either the blackhawk or the Chinook.
@taitano12
@taitano12 2 месяца назад
So it sounds like the orthinopter is a kind of ornithopter.
@LittleManFlying
@LittleManFlying 2 месяца назад
What tipped you off?
@taitano12
@taitano12 2 месяца назад
@@LittleManFlying The landing gear.
@smithtorreysmith
@smithtorreysmith 2 месяца назад
Let’s not be squares here.
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek 2 месяца назад
@@smithtorreysmith one being able to read a four syllable word in the right order of syllables when it's the name of the topic of a youtube video one is making is not a high bar.
@Southwest_923WR
@Southwest_923WR 2 месяца назад
Stopped at 03::29 to check comments and see if I was only one caugt that! Carry on, people.
@joshuabessire9169
@joshuabessire9169 2 месяца назад
Alternate reality where young Prince Napoleon and his mother escape to the Algerian desert in one of these, to lead the locals in a fight against his ancient enemy, House Hohenzollern.
@devanis
@devanis 2 месяца назад
he is the Baguette al Ghalib
@normtrooper4392
@normtrooper4392 Месяц назад
Underrated comment
@discovolante6624
@discovolante6624 2 месяца назад
2:00 im pretty sure a normal plane with a propeller would use far less energy than trying to flap 4 big wings at hi speed
@YourFriendlyOfficeAssistant
@YourFriendlyOfficeAssistant 2 месяца назад
Looking at nature, Hummingbirds require insane amounts of sugar to stay alive too. Especially compared to otherwise similar birds that flap normally.
@jerrymartin7019
@jerrymartin7019 2 месяца назад
Modern ornithoper prototypes in lab settings do actually appear to offer superior efficiency to propeller driven aircraft in certain situations, like at lower airspeeds. I don't know if their testing methodology is completely bulleproof because ornithopters are a really weird mix of biology and aero engineering and judging their effectiveness without a very sound understanding of both is hard, but their performance is at least comparable. The real advantage appears to be that you can achieve similar performance to a fixed wing prop plane while also being able to take off and land vertically.
@discovolante6624
@discovolante6624 2 месяца назад
@@jerrymartin7019 you mean like if everything is set to the opposite so less efficient means more efficient then yeah ok i agree, also you have herd of a helicopter or a V 22 osprey right? if not, these 2 aircraft can also take off and land vertically, id also like to add that if it were possible for birds to have propellers they would because it just makes more sence
@MadScientist267
@MadScientist267 2 месяца назад
It would but hey
@MadScientist267
@MadScientist267 2 месяца назад
​@@discovolante6624Is there a dictionary somewhere with the word "sense" intentionally misspelled? And is it in Texas?
@Timbhu
@Timbhu 2 месяца назад
The way he says ornithopter differently each time 😂
@raymondthumper2267
@raymondthumper2267 2 месяца назад
He's a robot and only says what the idiot driving the channel with a dodgy spell check tells him to say.
@andrewholdaway813
@andrewholdaway813 2 месяца назад
​@@crackedemerald4930 No he just can't read. His best work is turning _UTIAS ornithopter number 1_ into _UTIAS orthanopter no one._
@user-xk2bo8bj8d
@user-xk2bo8bj8d 2 месяца назад
You should hear him say messerschmitt😂
@enzohumeau8864
@enzohumeau8864 Месяц назад
@@user-xk2bo8bj8d messerschmitt is easy asf to say even for non german speaker tbh, i'd like to ear him say bayerische flugzeugwerke 😂
@OscarNassar1
@OscarNassar1 2 месяца назад
5:23 those wings were trying to warn the french about the Germans 😂
@Hatzi89
@Hatzi89 2 месяца назад
the shape of the broken wings at 5:32 is.... ironic
@Nacoli_Tomahawk
@Nacoli_Tomahawk 2 месяца назад
Foreshadowing
@intel386DX
@intel386DX Месяц назад
WOW 😂😅 this machine was a crystal ball for the feature prediction
@Cherburr
@Cherburr Месяц назад
Looks like a old Germany Symbol 😂
@DraconixDG
@DraconixDG 2 месяца назад
The baguette thopter was not what I expected
@theumbreon1.0
@theumbreon1.0 2 месяца назад
A fellow war thunder player I see
@DraconixDG
@DraconixDG 2 месяца назад
@@theumbreon1.0 yes, a bit more than that since my soul is chained
@Tomartyr
@Tomartyr 2 месяца назад
5:17 An experimental French ornithopter turning itself into a 'windmill' before the German invasion was definitely an omen.
@dash8brj
@dash8brj 2 месяца назад
the problem with these type of aircraft is a dragonfly doesn't scale nicely. We as human's weren't destined to fly, and lifting our weight into the sky takes a lot of effort. Thats why propelling hundreds of us im metal tubes needs a pair or two of big engines to do so. The mechanics of an ornothopter just doesn't scale. theres lots of moving parts that can easily break down either from metal fatigue or simple failures such as a busted linkage etc. Plus it would be a horrificly uncomfortable ride; with all that vibration being mechanically linked to the fuselage.
@darktengu77
@darktengu77 2 месяца назад
100% this
@gabrielskoczek7092
@gabrielskoczek7092 2 месяца назад
100% my thoughts. Scaleability is always the biggest hurdle. + how do you steer it? how do you even create lift with it just flapping up and down. Pretty sure a dragonfly can also rotate it a little in the axis n stuff. Biology is complicated and introducing so many moving parts its just inefficient.
@elmeril2203
@elmeril2203 2 месяца назад
Could see this as a real craft used by special forces in military, IF it can be made like the one in Dune, but cant see it ever being used as a passenger airplane
@dash8brj
@dash8brj 2 месяца назад
@@elmeril2203 Imagine being a soldior in the thing though. Those wings beating up and down, transversing from up stroke to down stroke (to actually generate any useful lift) would make for a very uncomfortable ride! I'd rather spemd my time snoozing in a C130 than being shaken half to death in a flappy plane :)
@nomadrc6036
@nomadrc6036 2 месяца назад
Exactly, this design at the scale in this movie will never happen. Too complex, materials that can't take the insane fatigue cycles, the need for extreme vibration cancelling measures. It's ridiculous especially when other flying craft designs could accomplish the same or better flight with less complexity and greater reliability.
@DocWolph
@DocWolph 2 месяца назад
Flapping or oscillating Wings on aircraft are like legs on land vehicles. We know how they ought to work, but we do not know how to make them survive working or power them to operate them for a useful amount of time.
@cptmike05
@cptmike05 2 месяца назад
Ornithopters are such a cool concept
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 2 месяца назад
I think they'll make a come back. They clearly work but now we have the solid state autopilot and stability control systems to make it work as well as high power electric motors for control of wing flapping, articulation and warping. They will be VTOL and very quiet.
@harlyquin
@harlyquin 2 месяца назад
@@williamzk9083 not sure about that, they would be less efficient, a lot more stress on the moving parts and who knows how loud it would be because there isn't a full scale working version
@alphadawg81
@alphadawg81 2 месяца назад
​​@@williamzk9083 Energy efficiency and the ridiculously high inertial forces at the wings with every direction change at this speed negate your idea Thats why you dont see this on larger animals.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 2 месяца назад
@@alphadawg81 pterodactyls with wing spans of 10n/33ft and 250kg flew and leaped into the air. Only minimal Stresses would be involved. The inertia of the gentle downwards propulsive beat is arrested by aerodynamic lift itself. The wing then twist and rises gently under its own lift till at the top of the stroke when it descended da again. There would be no huge forces at the shoulder Joint
@kentl7228
@kentl7228 2 месяца назад
​@@williamzk9083The bigger an animal, the less it flaps. For good reasons. Large Pterosaurs would have hardly flapped in flight mode.
@reillygallagher246
@reillygallagher246 2 месяца назад
Orthinopter sounds like an aircraft powered by bone 🦴
@josemitakodachirecruit2004
@josemitakodachirecruit2004 2 месяца назад
Fun fact according to the Dune lore, ornithopters are powered by a giant living mollusk bred to flap the wings
@gavinclark6891
@gavinclark6891 2 месяца назад
like a cartoon
@gavinclark6891
@gavinclark6891 2 месяца назад
lmfao he said orthinopter lmfao
@protoworld9922
@protoworld9922 2 месяца назад
Turned German for a moment there
@fattywithafirearm
@fattywithafirearm 2 месяца назад
Thats what I thought
@user-pr2rr9sf8j
@user-pr2rr9sf8j 2 месяца назад
Thats why Paris fell
@alphadawg81
@alphadawg81 2 месяца назад
​@@user-pr2rr9sf8j 🤣
@Pixilated
@Pixilated 2 месяца назад
@@thelettera582 i think he was talking about when the wings bent and kinda looked like a swastika 5:31
@thelettera582
@thelettera582 2 месяца назад
@@Pixilated My bad, I did not see that
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 2 месяца назад
You’d be surprised by how many crazy French designs made it into today’s day to day life, to the point we don’t even think about it. From the jet engine, designed early last century when airplanes where made out of wood and fabric and that today powers airliners and fighter jets, to the statoreactor (ramjet), the pulsoreactor that powered the V1s, the quadrocopter that today everybody flies under the form of drones, the automobile, etc…
@Gaminggunzeller
@Gaminggunzeller 2 месяца назад
It looks like a dragonfly but made out of steel. Interesting but clever design for a plane.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 2 месяца назад
It seems to copy insect rather than bird flight as its name 'orni' would suggest.
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek 2 месяца назад
except it doesn't work whatsoever, so there's nothing clever about it.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 2 месяца назад
@@Ass_of_AmalekOrnithopters do work and do fly.
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek 2 месяца назад
@@williamzk9083 at human scale the best are absolutely terrible compared to propeller- or jet-propelled aircraft.
@xx133
@xx133 2 месяца назад
@@williamzk9083no, not this type. Do you realize the forces at the end of the tip? The longer the wing, the faster the tip would be moving-physical limits exist. This only works at small scales-there’s a reason why no flying organism larger than ~a hummingbird uses this mechanism for flight. Material science isn’t even close-you not only have to consider the forces, tensile strength, but also heat. Can you imagine how hot the tip of the wing would get? Flapping like an albatross, maybe, not a dragonfly.
@vzlfkr
@vzlfkr 2 месяца назад
I always find the way you said "Orthinopter" rather than "Ornithopter" is hilarious :D
@seadog915
@seadog915 10 дней назад
I have a friend in his 70s is educated and pronounces aluminum as alunimum, cracks me up every time he does it but all his brothers say it the same!
@ashtonpadilla5269
@ashtonpadilla5269 2 месяца назад
Pairs of counterbalanced "fixed-blade" wings, which oscillate upon a desmodromically driven crankshaft, will be more efficient both mechanically and in terms of weight, and will be substantially more manageable/reliable/durable, than a hinged or split wing ornithopter. Utilizing greater quantities of smaller wings and an additional axis of oscillation should further improve effective output, as the winglets form a larger "dynamically ducted" wing, and reduce losses to aerodynamic drag by "slicing" upwards into the air, and "beating" downwards against the air.
@aislemontecristo
@aislemontecristo 2 месяца назад
Thanks, but I think you need to provide us with a diagram of what you just said. 😅
@sr7129
@sr7129 2 месяца назад
I wish I spoke engineer but sounds awesome
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek 2 месяца назад
or you're totally wrong and wings actually work worse in air agitated by other wings ahead of them... which is what real life aircraft and racing cars' spoilers show to be the case. 😒 ornithopter wings certainly do need to change pitch or be flexible to change pitch by yielding to air resistance, more on the upstroke, which seems to be one of the things you're suggesting, without that, an ornithopter is entirely hopeless. insects generally fly that way, as do hummingbirds (the latter are the flying animals most easily replicated in simple hovering flight by ornithopters). some birds and I think more so bats fly mostly in a sort of butterfly stroke swimming like motion that involves complex folding of the wings to pull them forward, which would be very difficult to replicate. and many like small songbirds actually use a really strange looking standard flying pattern in which they flap a few strokes to propel up and forward, then tuck their wings in and arc a bit up and then down again like a little torpedo, so they bounce up and down. ai reckon it's probably an adaptation that they're evolved to basically do for fun, while it serves the evolutionary purpose of being more difficult for a surprise attack from an aerial predator like a falcon to hit them.
@MrGrandure
@MrGrandure 2 месяца назад
Desmodromes. I haven't heard that word since college....and a Ducati brochure talking about their desmosedice engine 😅
@davidburroughs2244
@davidburroughs2244 2 месяца назад
we need Thunderf00t in on this
@grahamtotte7133
@grahamtotte7133 2 месяца назад
The shockwaves of the wing tips continually breaking the sound barrier would cause such vibration that any known material would never withstand this.
@DonPatrono
@DonPatrono 2 месяца назад
it'd be basically the Thunderscreech all over again, except instead of a single (quite short, stout and rigid) propeller moved by a double engine connected to a single shaft, it'd be four independent wings with either two or four engines on a crank to move the wing up and down. Forget the vibrations on the wing itself, not sure any sort of engine would be able to withstand the stress of having to move a whole ass wing at basically supersonic speeds without wanting to jump out of the fuselage
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker 2 месяца назад
There have been a couple of prop driven designs whose propeller tips broke the sound barrier. The engines didn't explode, but the pilots suffered constant severe headaches from being bombarded by dozens of tiny sonic booms all the time.
@DonPatrono
@DonPatrono 2 месяца назад
@@lukedogwalker a single design, the Thunderscreech, and it literally rattled the plane loose after a single hour of flight... assuming the test pilot could withstand the nausea that long
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker 2 месяца назад
@@DonPatrono I thought there was also a variant/prototype of the Wyvern that this was tried with, but was abandoned.
@9999AWC
@9999AWC 2 месяца назад
​@@DonPatrono the Tu-95's blade tips exceed the speed of sound. There's a reason it's infamously loud.
@gigachad1661
@gigachad1661 2 месяца назад
French challenge: dont go crazy (extreme difficulty):
@keenheat3335
@keenheat3335 2 месяца назад
the biggest benefit of elastic wing tip is that airbus don't have to pay extra for extra wide terminal. The price gone through the roof even if you wing span a few feet too wide. A lot design consideration end up need to accommodating airport pricing instead of pure aerodynamic performance.
@user-sv4zb1xb7z
@user-sv4zb1xb7z 2 месяца назад
in the dune lore, the ornithopter's power actually comes from a clam opening and shutting rapidly inside the aircraft
@ExplorerLoki
@ExplorerLoki 2 месяца назад
I don't know enough about Dune lore to say if that's true, but I know enough to say it's entirely plausible.
@angusmatheson8906
@angusmatheson8906 2 месяца назад
Lolwut?! I don't remember that
@AcidGambit419
@AcidGambit419 2 месяца назад
This sounds totally plausible from someone who tried reading dune at too young and age and gave up
@laggindragon7166
@laggindragon7166 2 месяца назад
planes: fly helicopters: beat gravity into submission Ornithopter: full BDSM fetish with the air
@WildmanTrading
@WildmanTrading 2 месяца назад
VIBRATION
@gavinclark6891
@gavinclark6891 2 месяца назад
THRASH THRASH
@lordpax7838
@lordpax7838 2 месяца назад
hornythopter
@dukranli
@dukranli 2 дня назад
hornytopter
@dukranli
@dukranli 2 дня назад
hornitopter
@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 2 месяца назад
Please make a video about flying AutoGyros. They are an overlooked underused technology.
@michaelfrench3396
@michaelfrench3396 2 месяца назад
This is definitely your best video yet! I like how you looked at what worked in the old one as well as what didn't work. And then showed us how nature is being integrated into future aircraft design.
@michaelfrench3396
@michaelfrench3396 2 месяца назад
And I was always under the impression that insects like dragonflies and bees had one set of wings that they used for propulsion and one set of wings that they use for directional stability and changes.
@Cactusape
@Cactusape 2 месяца назад
Huh, thank you. TIL that bees in fact have 4 wings and not 2 that I, mistakenly, had assumed.
@kentl7228
@kentl7228 2 месяца назад
Flies have two wings. The other two have evolved into club like appendages.
@AssistantCoreAQI
@AssistantCoreAQI 2 месяца назад
​@@kentl7228 Those Appendages, The Halteres, Still "Flap", But They're Utilized As A Form Of Inertial Stabilization System!
@kentl7228
@kentl7228 2 месяца назад
@@AssistantCoreAQI Incredible little animals in ways, and we spray and swat them.
@waymonstoltz5001
@waymonstoltz5001 2 месяца назад
5:32 the ornithopters folded itself into a swastika
@sithlord6119
@sithlord6119 2 месяца назад
It truly was a french plane ahead of its time. It surrendered before the war even started!
@user-cf4kt7bk6s
@user-cf4kt7bk6s 2 месяца назад
Man i love ur videos and you have rekindled my interest in aviation and other weird things!!! These videos keep me occupied and enthralled for hours on end well done you deserve a subscriber and keep up the good work!!!!
@deptusmechanikus7362
@deptusmechanikus7362 2 месяца назад
Oh yeah, vibration would **obliterate** those wings in moments. No matter what it's made of. Unless it's self-repairing, it's gonna experience a ton of stress fatigue very quickly
@Pavel_Poluian
@Pavel_Poluian 2 месяца назад
It all started with James Pitts' "Sky Car" vibrating orthotopter umbrella, then the umbrella was closed with a dome and devices appeared according to the scheme of conventional electromagnetic vibrating speakers (membrane + inductance) - fragments of the membrane were found by a farmer in Roswell. Then they created piezoelectric thrusters, or with small dischargers on the surface (they glowed all over the body due to ionization of the air), and now they are planes with plasma propulsion panels (so they are angular - that is, with flat surfaces). Thousands of discharge cells are densely packed into motor panels - they shoot streams of plasma (railgun architecture - coaxial electrodes). The ionized air of the spark discharge is accelerated in the railgun chamber by the Lorentz force to enormous speeds - a kind of ramjet engine is obtained. 💥💥💥💥💥
@patrickl2195
@patrickl2195 2 месяца назад
Orthinopter?
@jonny_vdv
@jonny_vdv 2 месяца назад
Between this ornithopter and the exaggerated tumblehome design of their pre-dreadnought warships, I have concluded that France is a Jules Verne fever dream.
@gemlouiseperez2571
@gemlouiseperez2571 2 месяца назад
Thank you Nick for featuring this video! 🙂👍 I remember asking you while you were in the recent Dubai Air Show if you're going to make a video discussing about the aircraft featured in Dune Films. Dream come true! 👏🙌
@paulrobertmarino7623
@paulrobertmarino7623 2 месяца назад
I would thing rather than flex the wings would twist, on the down stroke they would be flat but on the up stroke the trailing edge would passively twist down, that would have the result of making them act like a propeller on the upstroke but lift on the down stroke. Mechanically this would be simple to implement and would put far less stress on the materials, though it would make it very loud as because the the bearing for the twisting motion would have to have have probably spring loaded stops to limit the movement.
@anotherbacklog
@anotherbacklog 2 месяца назад
Instead of Arsenal Bird French is gonna build Arsenal Dragonfly
@chucku00
@chucku00 2 месяца назад
_Arsenal Libellule, s'il vous plaît!_
@zinckensteel
@zinckensteel 2 месяца назад
Is it just me or does he keep saying "Orthinopter"? Check near 3:40
@aarala
@aarala 2 месяца назад
It wouldn't be Found and Explained without him mispronouncing something important.
@Happymali10
@Happymali10 2 месяца назад
9:30 Imagine being kinda scared of flying, braving it, looking out the window at altitude and seeing the wingtips flap around wildly
@darthquigley
@darthquigley 2 месяца назад
I was just reading about the UTIAS Ornithopter recently. The bouncing up and down you mentioned near the end of the video is definitely an issue, especially at takeoff. Wings go down, fuselage lifts up, wings go up, fuselage slams down into the pavement. The landing gear is strong enough to take that, but it still lost a bit of speed every time that happened, which is why they needed to add a (very small) jet engine to finally make it fly. Should be less of an issue with the French one though. Two sets of wings moving in opposite directions would counterbalance each other.
@Theshropshireratter
@Theshropshireratter 2 месяца назад
Imagine the tinnitus from that sound
@jaynedavies2757
@jaynedavies2757 2 месяца назад
The bird of pray would be cool. But could you imagine the panic of a nervous flyer, with the outer wings of the albatross, and probably why it was named after that bird too. Has the four times 20 living people panic thinking the wings are falling off lol. I would not like to be on it.
@specialagentdustyponcho1065
@specialagentdustyponcho1065 2 месяца назад
You say "orthinopter" a *lot*.
@LucasundAaron
@LucasundAaron 2 месяца назад
one fundamental flaw alot people had with this concept: nature teaches us the fast flappers are all small and have no weight, insects or colibris. all heavier ones flap slow. Its really hard and against physics to try to apply small/weightless principles to a completely different scale. the austrian and canadians did the right thing and used the right principle for this scale.
@iFarsight
@iFarsight 2 месяца назад
i feel like having a static wing flip up and down will not be efficient. either have the wing do some kind of fold on the way up to reduce resistance. or have it work like a bee wing that kinda "drills" upwords
@user-jh6ik1qd7p
@user-jh6ik1qd7p 2 месяца назад
can you do a video of the Coanda 1910 jet biplane? the first "jet plane" before ww1. It was made by the same guy who discovered the Coanda effect.
@NateJones-tk9fb
@NateJones-tk9fb Месяц назад
I think we should be thinking more along the lines of check valves for the up stroke and down stroke. Allow air to pass thru the wing on the up stroke but seal in the down. I thing it would be easy to protoype.
@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 2 месяца назад
Ze Spice must flow, hon hon hon.
@vincentashton5134
@vincentashton5134 2 месяца назад
😂
@thealmightyaku-4153
@thealmightyaku-4153 2 месяца назад
Gold 🤣
@ommsterlitz1805
@ommsterlitz1805 2 месяца назад
I mean dune actor is French 😅
@T-h-a-t_G-u-y
@T-h-a-t_G-u-y 2 месяца назад
Le spice besoin flow
@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097
@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097 2 месяца назад
Ah, you mean l'épice, ou le mélange. It all becomes so much classier by adding vowels and accents 😂
@matthewkurniawan4081
@matthewkurniawan4081 2 месяца назад
We finally have it the french version of Dune, Fune. Featuring a giant baguette worm
@quoniam426
@quoniam426 2 месяца назад
The speed required by the flapping wings at this scale exceeds the speed of sound, which is impossible without breaking those wings. Microscopic drones are, on the other hand, perfectly feasable, imitating dragonflies.
@danielkennedy5602
@danielkennedy5602 2 месяца назад
Why not make each wing with a flexible spine down the middle from wing tip to say, 18 to 26 in from the pivot joint where the wing flexes going up and stiffens coming down.
@trespire
@trespire 2 месяца назад
2:16 CH53 "Yas'ur" יסעור in the wild. We fly them is very dusty environmets, notice the specially ordered particle filters on the engine intakes.
@PvtPartzz
@PvtPartzz 2 месяца назад
I wonder if the ornithopter designs would have a similar vortex issue when near the ground where the wings suck in the same air being pushed down which cancels out enough lift to lose altitude.
@saga_hee
@saga_hee 2 месяца назад
Idk how will those wings for thos props materials would be but i have a feeling this is where graphene shines so well..
@sumpfiggaming69
@sumpfiggaming69 2 месяца назад
im from Germany and i can really tell how you struggled with "Messerschmitt" you said it like Mesch scher schmitt :D Love your videos
@SiliconRiot
@SiliconRiot 2 месяца назад
The wings would need to twist and flap since a dragonfly or bee fly by creating a low pressure area above the wing it couldn't flyy like a normal airplane. It generates lift in a completely different way.
@7thsealord888
@7thsealord888 2 месяца назад
An interesting idea, certainly. I do wonder about vibration problems, as I cannot imagine it would be a smooth ride. Also, it seems to me that ANY mechanical problem with the wings would automatically lead to a crash. With a conventional aircraft, if the engine gives out, then gliding remains at least a theoretical possibility; and if it loses a chunk out of a wing, then maintaining control MIGHT be doable.
@morganhensley8259
@morganhensley8259 Месяц назад
I'm in toronto right now, and It's pretty rare for a project like THIS to happen near me.
@bavery6957
@bavery6957 Месяц назад
In the 60's, we had balsa wood gliders with nose-weights to throw and balsa wood gliders with rubber bands to twist a propellor and store energy, then throw. As an Army Brat, my family was in W. Germany a lot. Toy stores over there had this rubber band-powered cellophane bird that would flap around in the air for a few circles. Pretty cool take on the rubber band-powered flying machine, imho, back then. I guess the toy was basically an ornithopter...
@WayneKitching
@WayneKitching 2 месяца назад
How resistant would flapping wings be to damage? I'm sure if the wingtips got shot off it would be uncontrollable, unless there is some very fancy control mechanism.
@Spearhead-ke8kd
@Spearhead-ke8kd 2 месяца назад
Look at the hoops people will go through to simply not design a helicopter. I'm starting to feel bad for the helicopters.
@re-ev6598
@re-ev6598 2 месяца назад
I had 2 or 3 RC dragonflies in my childhood days actually, and they could stay in the air as long as i wanted, or even shoot straight up into the sky if i went on full throttle. It was awesome to see them fly using their 4 flapping wings gaining vertical and horizontal thrust at the same time. And oh boy let me tell you those things were maneuverable. :D
@user-zy9go1uy3v
@user-zy9go1uy3v 2 месяца назад
How do you pronounce ornithopter wrong after Dune 1 and 2?
@ryanlunde575
@ryanlunde575 2 месяца назад
And he said that the titular planet in the story is called Dune. It is not.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 2 месяца назад
"energy SAVINGS???" Uh, no, No and HELL NO! Do you have any idea how much energy is lost from flapping wings every time they're switching movement direction? Ridiculously much. And the same switch also causes massive force un the wing. Chances are BAD that wings will snap. Just as the French prototype did. And the problems becomes exponentially worse with every increase in size. To have any chance of working beyond micro scale, you also need to figure out how to not lose a huge amount of lift from every upthrust of the wings. Personally, if i wanted something fictional-ish with these kind of abilities? I'd much rather go with Airwolf. At least there, i can sort of figure out how to make it(supersonic helicopter) work in theory even if it's probably impossible in practice.
@hi-Larry-ous
@hi-Larry-ous 2 месяца назад
What's great about this, too, is they had a Dune themed event in WarThunder
@Otokichi786
@Otokichi786 6 дней назад
7:48 War Thumper ad over, back to the Airbus Flapper.
@iaroslavkoshelev1374
@iaroslavkoshelev1374 2 месяца назад
Perhaps a more acceptable option is vibrating membranes. Directed high-frequency vibrations create a zone of compacted air and this is a good idea for experiments with modern materials.
@DuneRunnerEnterprises
@DuneRunnerEnterprises 2 месяца назад
Very nice, very interesting to know about that thing!!!
@scottkellogg3502
@scottkellogg3502 2 месяца назад
As others have said: "Sounds good! Doesn't work." Take a look at the rubber powered toy ornithopers available all around the world. They stay aloft for a fraction of the time that a rubber powered fixed wing toy plane does. Large flexing structures like flapping wings would put large stresses on the aircraft. The flapping mechanism would be far more complex and delicate than a helicopter's rotor's hub. In short it would be an underpowered, overstressed, maintenance nightmare used to duplicate things that we already have working fine. But, it Would look cool in CGI videos...
@Cogitovision
@Cogitovision 2 месяца назад
It seems pretty clear to me, and I'm not even an engineer, that the stresses on the wings changing direction so quickly would very quickly break something. Fixed wing aircraft only have the drag on the wing going in the same direction, and rotary wings always rotate in the same direction, so they are not constantly moving in one direction, then the opposite direction, several times per second. For fun, take a tape measure out and move slowly. If you only move it slowly, it will remain rigid, but if you move it faster, it will bend.
@proto_arkbit3100
@proto_arkbit3100 2 месяца назад
Ornithopters are really cool, I am a huge nerd in early aviation and not once have I ever heard of this craft!
@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681
@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 2 месяца назад
Its amazing how many wonderful machines could be built with Unobtainium!
@Ryonin3627
@Ryonin3627 2 месяца назад
I die a little every time he says orthinopter
@Pentagon6519
@Pentagon6519 2 месяца назад
Someone did the math and the wings of the ornithopters from the Dune movie would be breaking the sound barrier. So each wing would be creating 2 sonic booms in one full cycle and there are at least for wings so that would be one LOUD craft. With all the other problems like material strength and the articulation required it seems so much easier to just use helicopter blades.
@googull4778
@googull4778 2 месяца назад
Stationary and Rotating airfoils make sense because they maintain a constant direction and a steady resistance. Flapping wings abruptly stop and change direction several times a second. I don’t think there are materials strong enough to withstand that force and the vibration has to be insane. Dragonflies and bees buzz when they fly, imagine the buzz when it weighs a ton or more.
@WayneKitching
@WayneKitching 2 месяца назад
13:27 Surely it's the... OrNITHOPter Number One, not the No-one.
@cesarvidelac
@cesarvidelac 2 месяца назад
There are also many problems with the control philosophy of the craft, you pointed out that about flapping but controlling hovering could be a nightmare,how do you think it compares to the cyclic control of normal helicopters? Aside from the material problems you would need computing power to effectively control the aircraft and compensate for vibration and instability.
@laszlokocsi1825
@laszlokocsi1825 2 месяца назад
Nowadays everything have computers, dont?
@Pavel_Poluian
@Pavel_Poluian 2 месяца назад
It all started with James Pitts' "Sky Car" vibrating orthotopter umbrella, then the umbrella was closed with a dome and devices appeared according to the scheme of conventional electromagnetic vibrating speakers (membrane + inductance) - fragments of the membrane were found by a farmer in Roswell. Then they created piezoelectric thrusters, or with small dischargers on the surface (they glowed all over the body due to ionization of the air), and now they are planes with plasma propulsion panels (so they are angular - that is, with flat surfaces). Thousands of discharge cells are densely packed into motor panels - they shoot streams of plasma (railgun architecture - coaxial electrodes). The ionized air of the spark discharge is accelerated in the railgun chamber by the Lorentz force to enormous speeds - a kind of ramjet engine is obtained. Just imagine! - tens of thousands of small ramjet engines assembled in panels and launching plasma synchronously at a huge frequency (hundreds of kilohertz). Plasma jets form toroidal air vortices - this air cushion creates lift and acceleration.💥 🕳💥💥💥💥💥💥 💫 💫 💫 💫
@Fay7666
@Fay7666 2 месяца назад
Isn't this the "flying plane" that NerdCubed showed off in one of his flight simulator videos a while ago?
@BiggestNoodle
@BiggestNoodle 2 месяца назад
Im not surprised this wasnt able to be made The most realistic part about dune is spice letting you see the future and that really says something
@gardenlifelove9815
@gardenlifelove9815 2 месяца назад
The way an ornithopter would need to worl its wings are more in a figure 8 motion like how dragonfly do it.
@jcy089
@jcy089 2 месяца назад
13:43 if that's how a real life Ornithopter really flies, my god the motion sickness 😂🤮
@davidburroughs2244
@davidburroughs2244 2 месяца назад
what is the glide rate and can it auto rotate (or something similar)?
@LisaAnn777
@LisaAnn777 2 месяца назад
But the wings cant just flap up and down, then need to change pitch when they are going up and flatten back when going down in order to force the air down.
@monkeywithcandy5520
@monkeywithcandy5520 2 месяца назад
A prototype called Riout 102T was built back around ww2 was built by the french
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek 2 месяца назад
when you make a video about ornithopters but still can't say the word in the right order of syllables
@angusmatheson8906
@angusmatheson8906 2 месяца назад
Ornthinopter ornithoptner lmao every time he says it wrong differently.
@azesajukkaar7775
@azesajukkaar7775 2 месяца назад
Flapping wing aircraft must be a maintenance nightmare.
@paduag1782
@paduag1782 2 месяца назад
I wonder if adding sometype of stall flaps might help ?
@azzlytheazzome
@azzlytheazzome 2 месяца назад
LOL. You uploaded this as I was watching a documentary about jodorowsky's Dune.
@mundanestuff
@mundanestuff 2 месяца назад
What an abomination that would have been. I had to stop watching when he said he was going to kill off Paul, lol.
@j-j-jingles4797
@j-j-jingles4797 2 месяца назад
Fun fact: ornithopter is comprised of the two latin terms, ornitho and pter. Ornitho being to resemble birds, pter meaning wing. In a similar way, helicopter is helico and pter, spinning wing. Pterodactyl being ptero and dactyl, wing finger.
@iqbal_pradana
@iqbal_pradana 2 месяца назад
i think the air is more viscous to dragonfly even the breeze can throw its body if the leg is clawless
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 2 месяца назад
How exactly would this save energy? To do this full size would require a high power input. The stress on the wings and pivot points would defy even modern materials. Whereas fixed wings need not deal with reciprocating movements. And they can still fail often enough. Look at the difficulties encountered in the cancelled Boeing SST project. The design called for a swing-wing and the problem came with the pivot point getting exponentially heavier with the size of the aircraft. Even the early F111 had issues and this was just with movement in one axis. It’s the same effect that limits the size of insect exoskeletons.
@tomkinstle1925
@tomkinstle1925 2 месяца назад
I think the main issue with this design is the stress from the wings beating would cause cracks at the root.
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 2 месяца назад
The dragonfly is the closest analogy. The main problem is one of mass. The bigger the size the higher the involved masses become, in this case particularly because the length of a wing will speed up the tips very strongly even at low flapping frequencies. It’s a bit like the question why we do not have exoskeletons like insects. We would become incredibly heavy and breathing ducts in stead of lungs would be too inefficient. There simply is a scale limit for such solutions.
@tophatpenguin9039
@tophatpenguin9039 2 месяца назад
kinda funny how the destroyed prototypes wings formed a Swastika like shape, almost foreshadowing for them lol.
@captaindookey
@captaindookey 2 месяца назад
I think if you put enough helicopter engineers in one session with enough cash they could develop something pretty close to the dune ornithopter
@animationstorage6630
@animationstorage6630 2 месяца назад
For an ornithopter to work, I believe that the solution is not to make the wings go up and down, but to make the wings make movement similar to scooping the air and push it down. Like mosquitos do! Do whatever you want with that information.
@jasonkeating9958
@jasonkeating9958 Месяц назад
Wear and tear and maintenance even on a modern version will likely be significant A prop or fan turning on a fixed point in 1 direction is way more simple and far less prone to wear and breakages, This going up and down at high speed constantly changing direction is going to be suicidal in anything less that countries or companies with large maintenance budgets and facilities.
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 2 месяца назад
Aeroelasticity in the sense of slow speed shape changes is however definitely the future. One day aircraft will no longer have hinged rudders etc.
@mrcat5992
@mrcat5992 2 месяца назад
your enemy might just die of laughter.
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