The Real Problem with Living on Mars 

Are yes lore for a company

@@fencepostlamb5531 i think they mean as in Lore for the Infographics Universe the vids take place in

@@LexiLunarpaw its actually within the SCP foundation

the prophecy must be fulfilled

their first video is about crying

this is especially true

One Brachiosaurus said to his buddy after munching some ginko fiddleheads and looking into the blue sky on a sunny beautiful morning just before the meteor strike about to happen that will wipe their entire species and most of the life on earth "what a wonderful world ". 🤣Hehe

@@amalthomacringe. Still better than trying and failing to live on Mars

Exactly!!!

Only idiots believe Musk. Now everyone is starting to see this

Fr. Why go to planet where life was possibly wiped out?

On top of that, while humans certainly impact the Earth's environment including climate, it's not clear exactly how we can *directly* change the climate to a specific temp and for how long.

Agreed!

Complicated doesn't mean we shouldn't do it - it just means we shouldn't hinge all our hopes and dreams on Planet B, when the going gets tough here on Earth. The greater the challenge, the greater the eventual achievement - If you are willing to dedicate the time and resources to doing it right.

Yes sir. It’s called wisdom. You must have it.

Complicated? Try impossible with today's tech.

@@MagicRoosterBluesBand Since when has tech been limited by what it can do today? "Today" 100 years ago, a car couldn't go 30km/h and a computer the size of a small shed had less power than a modern calculator. The only "impossible" that matters, is whether something is "physically" impossible.

@@LadyDoomsinger maybe in a couple hundred years. Maybe, since it's been 50 years and no revisit to the moon, let alone living there.

Okay, that might work. How quickly does bamboo grow?

Great. We'll have our first mars pub open in notime then. First bamboo beer is on me buddy🙂

There are thousands of species of bamboo. Bamboo is a type of grass. For this idea to work, the most efficient growing species would have to be selected. Also, the types of bamboo that would be adapted most proficiently to the conditions of space and Mars. I like the idea.

Bamboo needs fertilizer, which takes up space and weight.

@@mattias8546 they could make their own right?

Not a bad idea for many reasons. In the scope of a mars base it would be an excellent jumping off point, much easier to store up goods and launch from the Moon than Earth.

Lunar base

I think we need to start sending and testing life support systems on Mars, while we start putting people on the moon. Let people like Elon worry about starting infrastructure on Mars and have NASA focus on lunar bases. They would figure out the best way to get set up, while others focus on finding out what will work and how to make the trip safely. We've sent people to the moon in the past. Unfortunately due to its slow rotation, nighttime is going to be a MAJOR issue for lunar living. Mars would be better. Build lunar bases and transfer points off of it, while testing the tech to survive on Mars. The first people to land there will probably died tbh, but if Starship is 70% of what they want, it's the first big step to Mars. I mostly think this because right now the space race is on, people are behind it and excited about space travel. Look what happened in the 80s. We had gone to the moon, made the freaking space shuttle (which was a failure over all unfortunately) and the drive and support fell off. But rockets got cool again, and we need to push as much as possible while we can. My concern is we figure the moon out, something bad happens and people lose hope and will, and Mars will never happen. I know I'll never step foot on Mars myself but if I could watch the first people try before I die, I'll die happy knowing we tried

The moon can also help with world energy needs!

Bet it would be possible to build a space elevator on the moon that could be used as a refuel station. Sadly, I think the moon doesn't got much in raw material such as iron or rare earth that could be harvested for use in building. Probably mostly regolith that isn't usful.

Yet even then we had still CROSSED the atlantic with lesser technology. And once established there we developed a better transportation solution to go to and from.

Moscow.

Any of the other planets? They’re all wretched.

the DMV.

@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 Given a choice of the two I'd take the red city every time. Mars is just not condusive to human life.....yet.

Prison

Can't colonize a planet we can't breathe on guys. Get a life for once.

I hope we find aliens before then or they find us, better than colonizing mars..🤣🤣

@@ikp4success Pray we never find aliens 👽. Remember the term "stranger danger"? 😂

@@benyosep5640 lol one thing is for sure, our culture and perspective will change if we know, and have physical evidence they exist before we make contact with them.

I wasn't speaking about colonizing- I think that's much further out there. I was talking about a visit and return mission comparable to the Apollo moon landings.

Then make mass lol

Tunnels.

@@fredandersen9873 what?

@@fredandersen9873 what does tunnels have to do with this

@@nocontext9635 you can’t just make a mass on a freaking core of a planet.

Do you propose to pass by Venus and/or Neptune on the way to Mars to save fuel? You do know Mars is by far the nearest planet so any other route will be about ten times longer?

You’re trying to be smart with information that you’ve gathered instead of using your brain. We use gravity assists to help us get to the outer planets but since Mars is literally right next to us we can just use our planet as a gravity assist.

​@@Beanskiiii You used your brain? Or your gut feeling? The Rosetta space probe used Earth and Mars for gravity assist. The launch was March 2004, first assist flyby of earth was a year later, mars flyby in february 2007, followed by another earth flyby in November 2007. So the after-acceleration Mars-Earth trip took still 8 months. And: you'll have to slow down to be able to land on Mars: another series of flyby's needed. Even without doing the math my gut tells me that this will not be a faster way to travel these (relative) short distances.

@@AdrieKooijman venus is half the distance. Each planet is double the distance from the sun as its closest neighbor.

​@@jamesbright3439 how does that help to make the time to trave from Earth l to Mars any shorter? The thread is about using gravity assist to shorten the time to go to Mars. I still think that's not possible. Mercury 0.4 AU, Venus 0.7 AU, Earth 1.0 AU, Mars 1.5 AU, Asteroid Belt 2.8, Jupiter 5.2, Saturn 9.6, Uranus 19.2, Neptune 30.0 AU That only 'times two' on a very sad calculator.

I guess the solution is matrix :)

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@Derone Cerrone Yes, but that doesn't address adaptation. Our species is designed for earth. Its not like sci fi where people just plop in any environment and pick up where they left off with no adverse effects.

Where is your sense of adventure? Humans would still be chilling on Africa if everyone was as afraid as you

It's a Sci-Fi pipedream. We need to embrace the planet we have and stop killing ourselves by polluting the atmosphere. It's not really logical to want to "colonize" other planets when their gravitational forces and atmospheres are completely different and inhospitable to us. It's really more of a cultural trait of many western countries where they want to control and dominate everything in their path.

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Bro is addicted to a plant💀💀

@@Suigeneris999technically wouldn’t that be good ?it is a plant😂😂🤷🏽‍♂️

Just saying but the thumbnail was kinda ironic since we are going to die in every place we visit

Putin surely doesn't prevent mass destruction with a giant nuclear rocket in his garage...

meh. Humans are gonna try to run to mars just to realize we were put on earth for a reason. Amen.

Too many 'maybes' and 'what ifs' in this video and this video doesn't even come CLOSE to addressing ALL of the challenges and the complexity of how to solve these issues. It will NEVER happen in your lifetime or anyone born in the next 100 years.

@@JohnJohnson-dj2dv Yes

Yeah It weakens the bones a lot And i just can't see a woman giving birth in a low gravity environment

You got a point but astronauts in ISS live for hundreds of days in zero gravity. Gravity problems has risks but it can be solved.

@@cypr7120 They come back to Earth in terrible health and sometimes need physical therapy to be able to walk again in Earth gravity and some of the damage like bone shrinkage might be permanent. Its not fatal but its also not healthy.

@@Zurround Medical experts can deal with that, perhaps doing particular cardiovascular work out in space could minimize bone weakening with the aid of medicines and so on

@@cypr7120 At best it would reduce the harm SOME. Its still MUCH HEALTHIER to be under Earth or close to Earth gravity. Its not just the muscles, it affects internal organs and bones, even the EYES. Preventing all of the harmful effects of lack of gravity is a tall order.

Just some crazy Elon fanboys!

The low gravity allows you leave easily and carry a lot of radiation protection . All your problems already have solution in the works .

Lol what are you doing better than anyone else? Doesn’t take much to say it, takes a lot to actually do it though.

@@JBguitar-cj8pcit doesn’t take much to be a bit nicer and if everyone would do that it would already be a huge difference

@@JBguitar-cj8pc calm down, he did say we, meaning we all need to do better

way too late for that, Sadgely

@@cl8804 Definately not too late.

Put one in lunar orbit and design a fueling depot on the moon. And maybe do a transfer point around L2 (not in earth's orbit, but stays with earth in a solar orbit). it would be best to start fueled in lunar orbit, launch towards earth and slingshot it to Mars (oberth effect) The issues with lunar bases is the moon turns really really slowly, so you would have long extended times of super cold and darkness, and no ability to use solar power generation systems... So a robotic or lightly staffed surface supply depot that Mines and produces fuel which could be sent to lunar orbit would probably be the best idea. Lunar orbiting ships don't have the same issues with day/night cycles But it would require extensive gravity rings since human eye's would start to fail after being in zero gravity for to long

I was thinking similarly. Like having multiple space stations orbiting between earth and Mars

Easier said than done

It would be easily hit by some asteroids

lol no

Totally! And easier still I think would be to colonize Antarctica. I mean, really though why are we even talking about mars when we can even build a society on Antarctica!

@@magnus4346 Having a base in Antarctica could be a good way to teach survival training. :D

@@magnus4346 Totally agree with you

Even better, any metals we mine from the Moon and use to construct habitat modules or spacecraft is weight we don't need to launch out of Earth's high gravity.

All this is being done on Earth. Several habitats to self sustain were done, plus having astronauts live for 6-12 months in isolation to simulate travel to mars and living on Mars have already been done to test for many scenarios. Studies on a tall mountain in Mexico were done to see how Mars would turn out if Terraforming took place there. We need to know what plants would grow on Mars for survival, plus create oxygen. Building a bigger atmosphere with greenhouse gases would be required, plus we would need to put nitrogen in that atmosphere for humans to breathe normally. Oxygen is too explosive. The Moon is somewhat a good place to test colonizing, although temps are too extreme on the moon than Mars, plus the gravity is one half of Mars gravity, plus much less atmospheric pressure on the Moon.

Well we've been around for awhile now and have managed to be here this long WITHOUT expansion. And in fact if we don't get a lid on this population explosion we are NOT destined to be around for very much longer!

Yeah I don't see a way for them to come sending people to mars to build a base would basically be them rushing to build it before they die there so they would atleast need to send a few hundred or thousand

Like Europe's exploratory and colonial era - sans the subjugation and genocide of the locals, fortunately.

@@blizzard1198 There are many people willing to take the risk of dying just to get that opportunity. Even on Earth people migrate with high risk of death. Just look at our US border with Mexico.

What kind of insane person would want to do that? They would belong in an Institution, not in command of a 100 billion dollar mission. How long till they cracked up? It is a Catch-22 situation, for sure.

@@wetcrow_com Are you saying illegal Mexicans will flood Mars with migrants? That coyotes will sneak them on to spacecraft? Better build a wall then!!

Well, as the video said, space is highly radioactive, so astronauts cant even survive on the ISS… Yes i know there are astronauts on the ISS, im just pointing out the flawed logic in the video.

Exactly my point as i commented above.. Honestly i think varying gravity environments is the elephant in the room that all these videos don't even address. We have answers or at least a pathway to solving all these other issues such as radiation, speed, food concerns etc... but no one is even touching on the possibilities of creating artificial gravity (because there is none). I can't see us going anywhere until we have a better grip on gravity.

@@blademaster2390 The ISS is well inside the magnetic field of Earth and so it is protected from the worst of the solar radiation. but even so, six months on the ISS and your body is a wreck.

We don't even know what level of gravity the human body can tolerate long term, without severe symptoms developing over time. My feeling is that anything under about 60% of a G might be very bad for humans. But it is certain that Mars gravity will harm humans fairly quickly. And, just when the crew needs to be at the fittest and strongest (when they arrive) they will be at unfittest and weakest state. Unless the journey can be completed in just a few weeks, we will need to spin up whatever craft is sent, with a cargo craft at the other end of the 1km tether.

Exactly....thank you, not only will we never live on Mars, we never COULD live on Mars becasue the human body simply can not handle it...full stop. Never mind how impractical and ridiculous the notion is in the first place.

Thant's not going to happen any time either. Modern science still doesn't understand what consciousness is and how it truly functions (thought's, creativity, emotions etc.). Which is too say, we don't truly know if we could create conscious AI; it's a fantasy, like some of labeled religion!

Elon Musk: We must stop AI! Also, Elon Musk: Creates AI that endangers drivers.

well isnt the whole point of getting ot marz is so humans can get their and populate the planet/?

I mean would we even need the AI we can control rovers so could we just send robots capable of building a shelter

@@maninthemirror9732 Well, I am merely talking about kind of pre-programmed humanoid robots to create sustainable infrastructures for humans(Shelter, Greenhouse, Solar arrays, etc). It is such that humans don't have to start everything from scratch since it seems like the most difficult part of colonizing Mars.

Yeah that is if the other beings don't mind us just taking up extra planets nice we didn't take care of ours

@@daniburke9452 Yeah, though the new innovation and invention that will take place on Mars may help us with that a lot.

we need to colonize Venus and mars and build multiple generation ships to ensure are survival if you need explanations or have any doubts i am willing to explain anything.

Probably not gonna listen to me, but we don’t need to worry about interplanetary colonization. The Lord will come back and redeem his believers before we can get that far. Just sayin.

@@williamstenberg1220 Well, for goodness sake, I hope you’re right. I’ll just keep my fingers crossed in the meantime.

Yeah hm many materials rot like food same for fuel energy also the radiation can cause damage in some materials

Nasa should hire you. You're too smart.

Even if the math works, any ship picking up supplies would need to carry fuel to stop and more fuel to boost up to cruising speed again. However, it wouldn't be unreasonable to send supply packages to orbit around Mars. When the ship arrives, it could refuel/resupply from those packages. If the packages had the right connectors, they could be assembled into some form of space station, to give the crew more space. It might even be possible to de-orbit some of the supply modules to construct a habitat.

We already have done that on the ISS. Mars will be much easier to adapt than on the ISS. That said, you will still have to exercise on Mars, more than Earth. Astronauts returning to Earth adapt pretty quickly with negligible long term effects. On Mars it would be similar and less drastic a change. Astronauts would have to exercise more on the trip to Mars than when on Mars.

@@wetcrow_com the difference is living on Mars.

@@wetcrow_com exercise doesn’t negate the effects of low/zero gravity.

It would all die instantly on Mars, along with us fools who tried to bring it.

The movie Aniara has an interesting take on this. You should watch it.

Isolation?? I'm a loner I will easy adapt to isolation...hahah!!...but ...have you watch the video...you have at least 15 problems even before going hitting the psychological problems.....readiation, gravity, water, medical problems, etc

@@javierderivero9299 Yes, but every solution to every major problem is crucial. Including the debilitating effects of isolation on humans, social beings.

Just pick runescapers to go to mars, they will never get lonely

But you weren't truly isolated. You could go outside should you want to. Could drive to a store, could interact with ppl in real time. That's not the same type of isolation as being in a 'tin can' where you cannot go out at all and live in the same cramped quarters for months/years. Having said that, VR would probably help. I'm not sure what the connection with AI is, unless it's to create an interactive world.

Trouble is information is so easily accessible today its not valued and easily forgotten.

Nope the planet is still made of dead radioactive regolith that can't sustain bacteria let alone crops - then you have a water problem - then a gravity problem - we'd be better off spending resources elsewhere and on local problems until technology catches up to us in about 200 years (if we survive what we're doing to our world within the next decade). Asteroid mining will probably precede any serious attempts of colonization and would provide the profits and advances in technology that could pave the way for more breakthroughs in science, astrophysics and chemistry to explore our solar system and universe in bold new ways. It's never too soon to dream.

@@1ManNamedDan it's a pipe dream 💭. Too many negatives, too expensive to live in a prison on another planet.

Tunnels anyone?

You can go underground here too, and survive a nuclear war

​@@benyosep5640 Only a prison if you believe it is.

Because it’s impossible, and people like to waste a lot of time and money for silly entertainment and that’s all this is.

You win the “Best Person on the Internet Award” for today for recognizing that Elon is, indeed, a dope.

Venus is by far an easier planet to terraform

Or we could just stop destroying our "own" planet

Mars is just a first step

You understand that Mars is only Musk's first step in colonizing the solar system right? Like he's stated that numerous times. It's the most realistic option other than the moon. Venus is the most comparable to Earth, but building there right now is literally impossible, whereas on Mars we could theoretically start building today if we were there.

but on mars it would happen faster, and both psychologically and physically more painfully

Are you mad? What resources on the moon? You know what it takes to build a rocket ship to mars. Please tell me you are trolling.

Exactly. You gotta walk before you can run.

@@Gatekeeper201 well said

That won't be an issue, the moment things break down and food goes scarce, the cannibalisms will resolve that. People romanticize this, but as an astronomy buff myself, I wouldn't go to Mars for my life. Slow, horrible death awaits all until we get better tech, which could be decades to centuries.

What is a"morge"? Do you mean a,"morgue"?

Don't waste that biomass. Dead bodies get chopped up and used as fertilizer, same as people's excrement. Once you're far enough to have hogs, a hog will cheerfully eat a human corpse and turn it into bacon.

Sadly drilling into Earth is a difficult task with all of our heavy equipment. Due to weight constraints of space ships, only small, light equipment could be brought, unlikely nothing that can dig such a hole.

@@Kemanh200 yeah but due to gravity we might be able to send construction robots that can construct and supplies first. It will take an armada.

The whole world doesnt enough to you? What a greedy human being

@@danny.55 I can’t tell if you’re joking

We are not completely ignorant of the inside of Mars, just like we are not completely ignorant of the inside of the Earth, even though we have not even scratched the surface of the Earth. We have been in craters on Mars, which expose rock more than fifty feet deep. There is also debris from meteor impacts.

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Fortunately, it isn't going to happen. Profit is based on scraping the top off of vast wealth. There is no wealth up there.

Read the Red Mars...Green Mars...Blue Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. In his fictional trilogy corporations caused war between Earth and Mars. Great read btw.

No, there isn't always a solution. That's just wishful thinking.

Perfect idea, Elon wants to build a colony so bad, doesn't he want to take the first step?

Earth won't be anywhere near as bad as Mars.

You can't even breath on mars. What are you talking about.

Your logic is insane.

Exactly, if we focused on earth we would be able to much more.

Yeah right Mr beast would Terraform mars

Start with a small habitat in the dry valleys of Antartica and on a tall mountain such as Everest. Get that stable and self sustaining before you even consider building one in space. Tne ISS is not self-sustaining at all and thus it does not count as a signigicant stepping stone to colonizing the solar system.

Send psychopaths then. They don't have all those normal feelings and thinking to get in the way of the mission.

Best I idea I had about solving the signal issue is that you put one around the radius between planets and they also function as a booster and they send out wifi so that you can connect and send memes to and from Mars

I was going to say something similar, that VR could be used as a way to "escape" the long journey. A tool the astronauts can use to get away from the confines of the trip and visit with loved ones far away.

How can you know how to make a VR if you have never been there? Space exploration is not made for you to play video games.