The Real Reason 11 Million Are Not Working in UK 

It is Brit laziness and started around 40 years ago.

You are a outright LIAR!; while there are 9,000,000 economically inactive working age people, only 1,400,000 of those are unemployed; the rest are NOT unemployed because they are either in education or training, or are disabled, or caring for a severely ill relative.

@@CarlosAlberto-ii1li That's hilarious coming from a Spaniard! The only reason you have an economy is because of British tourists and investors. Barcelona FC was founded by an Englishman. Your national team passes the ball so much because they are too lazy to run with it!

@@CarlosAlberto-ii1li That's hilarious coming from a Spaniard! The only reason you have an economy is because of British tourists and investors. Barcelona FC was founded by an Englishman. Your national team passes the ball so much because they are too idle to run with it!

@@CarlosAlberto-ii1li That's hilarious coming from a Span Yard! The only reason you have an economy is because of British tourists and investors. Barcelona FC was founded by an Englishman. Your national team passes the ball so much because they are too lazy to run with it!

Exactly this.

It has always been like this, something else has changed.

​@@VincentRE79expectations due to improved living conditions.

@@VincentRE79 Nope, the value of pay has been slacking more and more behind in comparison to the needs of living.

And the welfare system provides an incentive not to work

Good on you for taking action and not just accepting the situation and making yourself ill.

Perhaps the government will be giving it away or squandering it on looking after you in your old age? Why is the fact that the state pension age has moved a couple of years changed you whole life? Our life expectancy has gone up by 10 years since 1975, pension by two years at most for men. Back then we expected just seven years of retirement, now we can expect 15.

@@grolfe3210 I can afford to look after myself

​@@grolfe3210Average life expectancy is actually declining now and has done for a few years.

Almost the same here. Economically inactive, under 60, physically and mentally fit, not eligible or ever have been eligible for benefits and worked full time since the age of 18. I have paid more in NI contributions than most people for the 40yrs I’ve worked from a good career and decided to get out of the rat race after I lost my mum as I realised life is too short. Why should I work if I don’t need to? I’m financially secure, own my home outright, have saved up all my life and live off the fruits of my hard labour. For anyone who can quit working without sponging off the government I say good luck to them, for those not working and sponging off the government but are physically and mentally able to do so, get back to work!!

Of course you're a raving lefty, you use phrases such as 'neoliberal myth'.

Hit the nail on the head. Good comment sir x

You sound like alayabout > You never worked in the apalling conditions I worked in yet I worked untill I was 70!

@@alanmarr3323 And your point is...?

I dare say the main reason you could retire early is because you worked in the public sector and can look forward to the associated pension.

What job did you move into?

Join the club! I've been in IT since 1994 and have had the same experience.

I am 3 years into my career in software development and I can relate.

36 years for me. Only training was in the early years when I worked for the NHS. Recently made redundant and seeing how long I can manage without a job as my skills are so outdated. Thought about training for newer tech but the market is so messed up that I'd probably be senile before I found something.

I can believe that. I have a degree in computer engineering and, before I retired, was gobsmacked at the level of knowledge of IT personnel. Shockingly low.

That started in the 80's when thatcher pushed it and based it on the american Hellish model. Prior to that you could get really good employers, smaller businesses who valued people who worked for the. Once big business took over workers became drones, a number and the service industry is one of the worst!

Recently left a company that a lovely lady that had worked at the same company for 17 years had retired.. a week too early to get the miserly 5% bonus, at the advice of her director. She worked until the end regardless. Family run business. Poor management exists beyond large corporations. Wasn't all bad, the owners, sons of the original entrepreneur, all had lovely new cars. And it was a bad year, so they'll be fine. Good luck Janet, you are a beautiful soul.

@@CleverContrarian many thanks 👍

Stop being a victim blaming others. Plenty of good places to work.

The problem with the UK, is there are too many managers

Tax threshold

@ihshaikh because of capitalism where profit for the sake of profit is the only thing that should be focused on

Tax credits were a good idea on the surface, and they DID help, but they didn't address the root cause of why they were needed. The terms "Living wage" and "Minimum wage" are used interchangeably by politicians, but they mean very different things. Corporations just aren't held accountable by Governments enough, but it should be law that ALL jobs pay at least a living wage.

@@nebularain3338 the market is what makes wages the way they are. You can’t just expect pay increases if the demand for the job allows it. It’s not corporation creed , it’s just the market

hedge fund bonuses

The more you work the more you get taxed.

@@jayc342009 exactly, i get paid less per hour for doing overtime then my basic salary, because of tax. is it worth going to work all day saturday for only half a days money.

You did the right thing.

Why do you assume two kids? Nobody forces you to have them.

@@tancreddehauteville764 because the average person has two kids. I’m saying that the average salary should give you an average life but it does not.

​@@christopherspriggs4179 clearly only the rich should be allowed to breed peasant /s.

A lot of this is due to women going out to work too. It causes inflation as two incomes get applied to one household. Net result we are no better off but 2 people labouring and home life suffering. Great outcome!

@@tancreddehauteville764 Funny, because the birth rate has been on decline hasn't it? I wonder why?

funny how the East came to the West for a future, now the West comes to the East for retirement.

You either live in Central London or spend too much.

That's not true - my wife and I together are on 6 figures and we live in Cardiff.. yet with mortgage, daycare, groceries etc. it feels like we are just getting by

@@travellingtom6091 I spend too much trying to live the lifestyle I grew up with when my parents were student nurses. I drive a Toyota, live in a modest 3 bed house in Devon which is £100,000 below the average house in my town. Had one holiday in 6 years. I have a motorbike which is my only enjoyment in life. Shoot me

@@emrebennett2857 How?!!! Break it down for us.

I consider myself extremely fortunate to be able to get by on £7,500/year... S**t's tough out there in the real world.

Bent greedy corrupt private firms who do not give a shit about you and rob your wages every month .

Younger generations will never be able to afford a home and to have a family either, life is pretty meaningless for them.

@jayc342009 I don't have those things. My life is far from meaningless. People find enjoyment in life that doesn't include kids/house/car.

the uk has always had poor management when i started work over 60 years ago i worked for a large company all the managers had company cars unlimeted sick pay private health insurence the workers got nothing we had to have a collection when one of the workers developed cancer so he could have a simple hooliday after his treatment.If you were more than 10 mins late in a week you were in the office for a dressing down the boss/worker relationship hant changed much since the industrial revolution in the uk im afraid

They are making bank off of foreign students. It’s a business for universities not a place to actually make the future bright. They only want high performing students to say theirs is the best and to get the most money from that good feedback. I actually heard a university president or whatever they’re called shout out loud in a graduation ceremony that ‘I want to DOUBLE international students here as they’re so good for our university and culture and country’ what I actually heard in translation from bullshit to English was ‘we’re making so much fucking money I want to make even more’

We've all got our wires crossed. University should be about studying an area of interest, it's not directly correlated to a job. College education should be more technical and hands on, but try getting a job in most decent paying fields without a degree and it's impossible.

People have seen to forgot that they created all those University places to try and replace all the apprenticeships in industry that where lost when manufacturing was out sourced. So I dont really see the the point in bring them back without the industry to employment them. Construction will always have places but there is still a limit to how many are need, if we train 100,000s of plumbers a year all you will do is lower the wages of plumbers.

Training in the trades now is at a big low. Plumbers and electricians are not even shown how to lift, and properly put back, neither carpet or floor board. Trainees only learn with modern fittings in sterile training rooms. They have not a clue when faced with the array of old fittings in the houses in their area. This causes damage to customers houses. As well as inefficient, uneconomic systems and houses. In terms of cost and heat/energy losses.

Allowing universities to become gatekeepers to the world of work has been an unmitigated disaster.

they still won't do it. And since when was working a choice ?? Regardless of how much you earn.

Human HR even worse than any AI.

as someone who has worked in recruitment I can testify that clients will reject an application on age but not say it outright

The impact of the jib jab is the elephant in the room that few will mention

When head is crazy whole body suffers. Just remember how you ware calling me an flat earth idiot for not taking the poison.

once you get a taste of not working, its difficult to go back to that slavery

The most economically savvy guy I ever knew once told me that there are too ways to be better off: you can either earn more money or spend less money and I figured that I hate working more than I like spending! And public transport passes are pretty affordable so all of that extra time can be spent walking in woods and lying in fields staring at the sky! I think that Covid gave a lot of people that perspective because they got used to doing less and filling the time with more life affirming practices than being in an underpaid job with some vicious beast of a manager breathing down your neck all the time!

I agree. I have been looking for IT roles for many months. I have years of experience in the fields applied for even to be told by recruiters your CV looks perfect for the role. I then get rejected just because I have no experience of one single what I consider the least important thing. I then see the job is still advertised 6 months later. It's not that employers cannot find people, they want a unicorn 🦄

@@David-bi6lf Some "employers" list jobs without necessarily needing any more employees. They can continue to collect the most recent CV details for data analysis, and frankly if it's not illegal to list vacancies with no real intent to hire, then its a very advantageous political lobby tactic adding pressure towards adjusting the Labour market to better suite employers over workers...

Employers want ready made staff because training costs time and money, trying to pass this back to the state by calling it a skills gap is crazy. This is never going to happen as skilled people are (generally) always in demand. University should always be about studying a particular field of interest, not just about training someone for a job. But try getting in most decent paying technical fields without a degree and it's at best difficult and likely you'll be paid less, or at worst totally impossible.

I in 7 adults have literacy of an 11 year old or less, nearly 50% of adults have the numeracy of an 11 year old. That's really scary.

@@hilarygibson3150 That's just how the tories and reform even more so like it. It means people vote for them. 😜

Cost of housing vs wages in Britain has exploded due to immigration.

@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311 almost deliberately

This. 1991 House £65000 to £650000 2024. Wages £18500 to £40000. You can’t do it now.

@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311 Educate yourself. Its because of Quantitive easing in the financial economy and lack of building houses

@@Fay-i2s "lack of building houses" - engage your brain please. Since almost all of the increase in population is due to immigration, why would there need to be so many houses built without immigration? Study found 89% of the increase in cost of housing is due to immigration. Google it

then do something about it? you shouldn't be allowed to just turn around to your fellow citizens and say "your problem now".

there is a reason. actually, there are 5million reasons. cheaper too.

Easy to point the finger ay. Lazy thinking.

Its not company’s fault. The pay is fine The truth of the matter is, housing expense just slashes a good portion of our earnings. We need to harrass the ones in control of housing prices not the companies. Its not for the companies to Pay 100k so we can have a house Its for the property sellers to not sell every bucket in the island for half a million

Easier said than done. You get sanctioned if you don't look for work 😱

£2.7k is nice. If you live on half and save rest for buying rental properties.

Nobody thinks that's extravagant. It's definitely comfortable though for a single adult

For that income do you have to spend a lot of time at work ?

You're very lucky

that literally takes the p1ss 48.5k ... and you take home just under 3 k I hope you dont work long hours.

Why break it own by ethnicity also where did you get the figures

​@@jimpaddy79 because the media like to portray white British, 3%, as lazy unemployed. But the reality is different. Also the figures show what people believe about those from the Indian subcontinent: 9% ! The figures come from the government website (gov.uk) report: Unemployment Published 28 November 2023 Last updated 26 March 2024 RU-vid doesn't let me include the link.

You ever watched benefits britain

@@EmmanuellaUdofia nope.

He made them up.

True for many young adults, what are they working for? Unaffordable housing, low wages, increases cost of necessities like food...why bother. The system is clearly not working...actually no it works pretty well for the wealthy.

@@jayc342009Spot on mate.

What do you earn? What benefit gives you more than that?

@@ericritchie6783 it was between £20-30k, for some families with kids, especially lone parents, housing element of benefits included you could receive in excess of £2000 every four weeks. I’m based in the south so that may skew things however that is a significant sum especially when some are working all month and not clearing that amount.

@@ericritchie6783 You'd have to have a few kids to receive that much benefits. Basic UC is £393.45 a month, less than £5000 a year.

What was the pay like?

It gives you time. One thing you will understand when you are on your death bed. Time is not something you can buy. Why work all the hours of the week when you can do other (cheap) things with your life.

diversity quotas screw domestic workers

The trouble is mental heath is not necessarily all to do with "chronic anxiety" or lack of "confidence" or structure and purpose day to day. In many cases yes your right getting a meaningful and realistically structured job would be great, however the jobs available to many would simply not be and could just make things worse.

@@sparkymmilarky The trouble is if your not really in the position to tell the difference, you might come across a few examples that are laying it on a bit too thick, then that'll just be your disposition towards people's MH issues in general. It seems like some people have an easier time spinning BS if they just have the knack to do so, like in many areas of society. So then other people trying to make a genuine cases with the slightest of nuances, who might not be prepared to lay it on thick enough get fobbed off over and over. The assessment process encourages just laying it on thick to try and convince a random heath professional, following a formulaic administrational consultation working under a private profit firm, who don't necessarily have any experience with the given condition they're assessing... They only have to had any kind experience in an area of heath such as being a "general nurse" or "physiotherapist" ect which is not necessarily related to what's indicated on the claim...

@@ericritchie6783or corrupt doctors who may know the patients or have bias on cultural or ethnic lines to give them all the green ticks necessary to earn as much as possible. This may come across as something a lunatic with no insider knowledge may say but without giving much away I know how these things operate across the government. Corrupt ‘officials’ (doctors, lawyers, responders etc) there’s a reason it’s not mentioned much as obviously it’s because it ignites the racial divide and it’s sensitive in that regard however you can’t pretend the truth isn’t happening that’s pure conspiracy against the population. 72% of Somalis live in tax payer funded social housing. That’s OVER FOUR TIMES the self identified native British population. Do you think Somalis are 4x more likely to be disabled? if you don’t point these facts out the divide in politics and society will increase.

@@Aaron19987... I wouldn't know about any of that, it's definitely not a doctor that's knows the claimant though when claims are reviewed. Just a "health practitioner" employed by an independent assessment contractor for profit, employing people with, presumably, targets to complete as many consultation reports as possible over a certain period, perhaps with bonuses for completing extra I'd have thought.

@@ericritchie6783 80,000 applicants a month for PIP. 40,000 citing anxiety and depression. It's not sustainable.

you haven't been exploited. I bet you got exactly what you voted for,

Thanks for mentioning neuro diversity, yeah it does seem like that might just be lumped into "mental heath and stress" stat.. And then that's just all reduced to issues of "confidence and anxiety" when not necessarily much to do with that. Thing is you can also be unemployed and still make the effort to do volunteer work, the economy being as it is doesn't necessarily value all kinds of work that might otherwise have educational or environmental value, or value to the community. When they say "not working" they just mean not financially employed basically which is a little unfair.

Very well stated.

Most inactive people over 50 are ex public sector workers on massive gold plated pensions, my brother in law just retired at 53 on a sergeant police pension , don’t believe me watch any buying homes abroad programme, they are all ex public sector, rarely private sector.

Reforms platform of "face to face" pip checks. Do reform know why there currently are not those checks? Because nurses refuse to work that job. They are not esa workers, they did not get into their roles to persecute sick people.

I can't remember the last time a politician of any party referred to 'scroungers'. Are you able to let me know which particular politician you are referring to, with the quote ?

but it shouldn't. If the benefits weren't paid AND we stopped all immigration it might force employers to pay properly. Why would an employer pay properly right now ?

@@garethwilliams4467 yes, I think I would reduce the immigration first.before plunging people into poverty by removing benifits. But I still hold to me first point. The problem is not unemployment, that is only at 4% The problem Is people who ARE working often full time and are still broke.

@@patdbean A few things ... 1) you will never see real pay increases whislt we're growing our population by almost 1 million per year. And those people are mostly the worlds poor - they will undercut you at every turn. 2) Unemployment has alwyas been a useless metric - especially now with the zero hour contract where people just get their hours reduced to zero and not actually made redundant 3) If we start to see big pay increases for menial jobs, you can expect massive closures and automation to take those jobs away (eg California) 4) There is no way out of that for alot of people, governments can't really reverse globalisation (different ot immigration), we will never bring manufacturing etc back home 5) The only answer is learn to live with less, especially less consumerism for the masses - for those with brains /drive etc there is still money tobe made. But I think we're looking at the end of public services.

@@patdbeanbut if you are working and broke is it your fault ? Did you try hard at school (most people grew up in working class families and went to state school), did you do your homework ? Did you make a lucrative career choice ? What are you spending your money on ? what have yo spent your money on in the past ie did you invest it/start a business ?

@@garethwilliams4467 I don't think it has got anything to do with growning up in A house with work or not. It is just over supply of labour. When I started working in IT support in 1986 I started on 8k a year. The skill/experienced and qualified people 10 or so years older than me were on 15-18k a good wage 1986. And by the millenium i was older experienced and qualified and on 15k (spot the problem?) By 2005 18k By 2010 20k And today the people who I know who are still in The game are on 23-25k Can anyone see the problem? The pay is going up to slowly. And the spending power of those wages is doing nothing but fall. If you look at the UK average wage. The 19k in 2000 needs to be 42k today to have kept up with inflation, it is infact 36k

In my town a single bed/studio is 1K+ rent and 100K+ buy. Not on these salaries.

Your statistics aren't right. Bangladeshi's have 10% disabled rate at 16-49 vs 6% for 'other white'. Indians and Chinese are both below 6%. Much higher rates for gypsies/irish travellers - though they aren't 'immigrants', are they? www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/disability/articles/protectedcharacteristicsbydisabilitystatusenglandandwalescensus2021/2023-05-17

I see it a lot where I am, older people from Muslim countries, the Carribbean, Africa, etc who don't speak or barely speak English so clearly haven't been here long enough to integrate with our society or work and contribute, but maybe have been brought over by younger relatives to use our healthcare and elderly care. Are these younger relatives working enough to make the equivalent contribution of two elderly people's lifetimes? or are they taking from what the rest of us, natives as well as long term immigrants, have built up through our working and taxable lives. On top of that you have irresponsible inbreeding bringing in a greater proportion of disabled children which could be avoided and take even more resources from childcare as well as creating a tragic life for the kids themselves. I'm not against immigration but it should be reserved for those people who value our culture and lifestyle and want to contribute towards it while integrating into the country.

At this point, we're basically working and paying taxes to subsidise our own replacement and colonisation by people who hate us.

@@dumbguy1007 "long term" there are no Good Ones, only takers

inbreeding depression, yes outbreeding also causes health problems i.e. mixing it's supposed to replace us, obviously, see quotas for jobs. I've been told I'm "too white" for certain jobs. We have double relaxed darwinian selection, a side effect of long term r-selection if you read r/k theory in the book by castalia house.

Those were the days when people were making babies. Not so feasible now 😅

It's more, or at least equally, that society has rejected them. Actually offer them a decent job, and I guarantee most will be interested. (But of course, doing so would be communism, which is bad, so it won't be done.)

Hi lugo. Blackpool is 98% white British. What are you trying to imply?

Can't say about most of where you said, but as someone from stoke over half of it is boarded up and run down. Go into any towns high street and all you see is building after building of boarded up out of business stores, restaurants, bars etc. then the odd nail salon and Turkish barber. There's nothing here and the few places still standing are getting more automated so even those jobs are slowly disappearing aswell.

​@bobbyboyderecords the only implications I can see made here are by you. What has ethnic origin got to do with this?

⁠@@bobbyboyderecordsBlackpool isn’t 98% white lol…..maybe 40 years ago

Not true. My dad who works at the job centre can probably name you 100 people who take home £3000 a month on benefits alone - that's more than what I take home and in work. In order get these people back into work, they'll need a salary of at least £50k. Giving too much benefits literally removes the incentive to find work.

@@inbb510 I was talking about a single person without brats. Those taking home large amounts of money is because they have loads of brats.

@@tancreddehauteville764 before the two child benefit cap, it was even worse where my dad always told me that there would be £1000s of benefits going to the 10th, 11th or even 12th baby that the mother had gave birth to. I am lucky that I have morals which will keep me in work despite people taking more money home on benefits than I do, but it really isn't hard to see how this will dis-incentivise people to find work. Because why work when you can choose a lifestyle on benefits that's paid by other working people. Benefits should not be too generous in principle. Its whole point is to cover the bare minimum.

@@inbb510 that's the point, they don't even cover the bare minimum. You're judging benefits on the people that get the most out of it. It's not easy to get that much out of them. Most people are lucky if they get more than £400 a month. That's 4 times less than the average cost of living

Monarchy

50% how is that legal?

@@seabreeze4559 It's just through contracts. You sign a contract with the agency saying you agree to it. The firm paying the agent signs another. This will continue for as long as people sign contracts with these agents, who by the way are making a fortune in today's economy, considered to be one of the most profitable sectors, yet it contributes a lot of negative value, i.e. intentionally creates restrictions which are harmful to the other two parties. It gets worse even when the agent uses product tie ins so if you want to buy product A you have to buy product A and B where supplier B is force marketed onto you. The people who run these agencies are generally lawyers and know nothing of the sector they provide for.

All the money is made in the middle. Producer and vendor often extorted.

I won't fund my replacement either.

Every political party is a disaster, especially if they remain in for a long time. They've created and maintain a system that incentivises the worst of them.

The electorate wants open borders, that’s what’s been consistently voted for over the past 60 years. Throughout all the different flavours of government-or so the electorate believe-policy to have wider and more open borders with redder and more rolled out carpets has only ever gone up. Just you watch tomorrow; one of the “more immigrants, please!” parties will get elected, but the electorate will bemoan seeing more immigrants. It’s a conundrum.

@@Carl-hs420a The 2010, 2015 and 2017 Conservative Manifestos ALL promised to reduce net immigration to "tens of thousands" (i.e. the level it was when John Major was PM, before Tony Blair abruptly quintupled it). By the 2019 Manifesto, they'd given up saying "tens of thousands", but did say they'd reduce it "substantially". They wound up increasing it to 1.2 million gross in a single year in 2023. There are various reasons why they have failed. The OBR is filled with immigration accelerationists, who threaten governments they'll make hostile dire forecasts for the UK economy if they implement the will of the voters. The government's own legal advice is that the combination of the ECHR, the Blair Supreme Court and judicial activism makes it impossible to control the UK's borders. So they don't even try to.

Why would more Immigrations lead to more tax whats the link? With the exception of refuges since Brexit all immigrates need a visa so have a job or are students paying fees. Are you trying to say that immigrates use more Government services then local people because all the evidence shows the opposite, they are on average younger so dont use the same amount of medical services and their education/ training has already been paid by there home country.

@@jimpaddy79 1) In 2023, 102,000 foreign students arriving in the UK brought dependents with them. Overwhelmingly, such students came from Nigeria and India. Almost zero students from the USA and China brought any dependents with them. 2) In 2023 around 20% of people issued visas to come and work in the NHS and the care sector never showed up for work, even though they entered the UK. 3) In London, around 47% of social housing (what used to be called council housing) is occupied by a household in which the head of the household was born outside the UK. 4) In Germany 45% of those receiving unemployment benefits are not German citizens. In Austria 60% of recipients have a “migrant background”. 5) A study by the Danish Finance Ministry found that non-Western immigrants are the people most likely to be lifelong recipients of public finances. A Dutch study by Jan H. van de Beek at the University of Amsterdam found that the Dutch government spent around €17 billion per year on migrant support. If the UK undertook a similar study, I imagine it would find similar results.

It’s a consequence of the class system. But it is changing, not least because of the large number of graduates with no obvious skills

I disagree. With A.I. trades people are the only ones with guaranteed employment. University education is pointless.

And yet we are massively short of sufficient skilled trades people in the construction industry - for most of the last 30-40 years we have had this problem and "solved" it by importing skilled people from poorer countries in EU. The sad fact is that the average of the skilled trades people we have is getting older. Plumbing, electricians, high quality plasterers for example now earn very good wages

I view the term ’trades people’ as derogatory. If you have the skills & qualifications for certain job then you are a professional.

Anyone with their head screwed on right will recommend young people become skilled in a "trade". Good, reliable work. Partly because of shortages, partly because it can't be automated within the foreseeable future. Another good job many people don't even know exists is agronomist. There's a shortage there, too. My Dad earned very well indeed and had head hunters trying to poach him at the age of 63.

Giving money to israel Giving money to ukraine Giving money to palestine Giving money to random african villages Lol britain is just giving everything away no wonder the citizens are strained

We're not a wealthy country, London and the mega rich skew the figures. We're in further decline and can't fund an aging population.

You want even more expenditures for people who are useless to the economy? Increasing emoluments to unemployed is an incentive to stay unemployed. That is why the UK economy is falling so rapidly, everybody is holding out their hand for money.

@@Jay-xr3sbtrue. We are the sixth biggest economy in the world, yet in terms of GDP per capita we are the twenty seventh country behind most of our European neighbours including Ireland who are number three!

Increasing benefits? Must be a joke.

I think the benefits should be raised to a level where nobody has to go to work. It’s a pain in the arse?

It creates an environment apparently good, apparently only.

So did it encourage you ti get back to work sooner?

Also, what's the overall standard of living compared to France?

Indeed I have been made redundant twice and both these times are the only two occasions I have ever needed to claim benefits. You quickly find out there is no reward for working when times get tough and if you have built up savings the deductions vastly outstrip the interest you could make thus they are quite clearly expecting you to use your savings.

@@Jay-xr3sb I went back to work when I found it - I never avoided work

How much did you get a month?

If the government did something about it, none of this would have happened. But hey, no one likes to talk about legal bribery aka lobbying

No they do it by choice because they have bad work ethics. Plenty of people will apply for part time jobs so they can continue to receive benefits

It’s not.

yeah, but statistics usually don't say how many are underemployed or on zero hour contracts.

i am on benefits due to retiring under the state pension age for stress reasons - its not much but enough to get by as housing paid for

I mooched off my family i prettt much just play games and procrastinate all day i get my mum to buy me a few cigs so i can reflect on life too Lol its over for me

can't afford a golden Visa, no chance of moving to Europe.

omega 3, d3 drops, cutting sugar from diet

I have type 1 diabetes, severe liver problems, bone thinning and various nutrient deficiencies causing various problems (partly from celiac). I was able to study for one hour yesterday. I was thrown off esa because I didn't answer a checklist properly. I have known others with similar intractable problems. People's issue is not that they are not exercising enough. It's that NHS waiting times just let people stay sick, and dwp makes the problems worse.

Generalizing about the US is one of the worst eurotrash habits. Look at US productivity. And wage growth.

But these people are not sick. They just see the (too generous) benefits system as an excuse for not working. Benefits should be capped and time limited for all but the most needy.

@@kevinsyd2012 Say you were to try and do that. Distinguish the genuinely sick from those that are screwing about. It would cost about 10x as much as it currently does. Perhaps more. PLUS, in my area at least, if you are applying for an office job, the recruiter will have about two weeks of back to back interviews for one role. So the jobs aren't necessarily there. Doctors are not paid lie detectors. People in the health fields generally object to having to do anything like that. So if symptoms are reported to them they believe the individual. To actually understand the data that would be needed, such as blood test results and such, PLUS, the experience and intelligence to fit symptoms into context, the government would have to hire a lot of VERY SKILLED medical professionals, doctors, consultants etc. Out of a group of people that have employment options and doesn't like doing that kind of work. The NHS is low on staff anyway. The following story is true. I know that the left lie whenever the facts are lacking in their narrative, but I am not left and have not been since 2015. I have lost a lot of "friends" over this. But I used to have a female friend, who had one of the most difficult problems. She confided to me after I got a book in the area that she thought the problem was borderline. But she would go to doctors and they would ignore her. She had been seen by doctors since her 20's and no one could do anything (but she never saw a psychiatrist on the NHS!). So she would NEVER be approved for help under a strict system. But she did one of the only things that a borderline can do to truly prove her symptoms. She killed herself. She jumped off beachy head. So in order to get around these problems. The government doesn't do anything about those that are scamming the system. I looked up the ESA checklist that I "failed" and it is online on disability charities etc. If I had the energy and intention to get ESA it would just be a matter of following that guidance which people that lie are more likely to do, as a general rule good liars will put as more effort into lying than they would incur telling the truth. So the government if doing the whole thing properly would have to distinguish between skilled liars such as addicts, that are the most skilled liars on the planet for all the practice, and difficult situations like the immediate last one where the cost of failure is high. Instead what they do is hire workers for probably like £27k and give them a checklist.

They are sick of being slaves to a system that doesn’t benefit them in the slightest. Pumping out billions of tons in trash each year that poisons us, and our environment, on this magical round about of capitalism, just to not be able to afford to breathe. Those people are saying enough is enough! And I’m one of them!

To pay for the work shy if they worked then taxes would not need to be so high.

@@terryj50 V A T used to be 8% + lower stealth Tax…..just sayin

@@kim007250 and why did it go to 20%

@@kim007250 again all you lazy people who won’t work and you still have to pay 20% but your just using other people’s money who are taxed 45% because you won’t work.

VAT was introduced to defeat Napoleon. Last time i checked, he died over 100 years ago so why are we still paying 20% of our wages on VAT? ​@@terryj50

Not enough healthcare emphasis in the education curriculum for starters... Healthcare should treat wellness before it treats illness.

People have just got used to relying on free healthcare instead of looking after themselves, their wellbeing and their diet.

@@dan44zzt231 Not necessarily to do with employment if people have or not.

As others have mentioned here, good health education is also very important. Prevention is always better than cure. Things will still always go wrong for many people at some point in their life though, and we all need to be able to be treated appropriately so we can get back to work and continue being productive. Whether that's something relatively easily prevented like obesity or diabetes, something we often don't realise is a problem until after it hits us like mental health issues, or whether it's something that just comes with age and the wear and tear of certain careers, like knee or back problems or RSI, the chronic pain of which can be debilitating on it's own.

I quite strongly hold the belief that a properly functioning healthcare system doesn’t. It costs a lot. The Attlee government of 1945 claimed back then that having the world’s first single-payer health system would pay for itself because our labour productivity would immediately speed ahead of France, Germany and Italy, boosting tax receipts. That’s not what happened. France, Germany and Italy spend the money we spent on the NHS re-tooling their factories. As a result, they got richer, and could then pay for better health provision from their larger pay packets. Health technologies become ever more expensive, we have ever more elderly patients, and we wind up with a dysfunctional health bureaucracy which prioritises DEI officers over surgeons, etc.

Yesss, exactly. The more you earn the more tax you'll be paying. This doesn't affect the wealthy though, they have their loopholes.

There were some points brought about that and the NHS in one of the debates. Other EU countries have insurance based health care, no not like the US, it's highly regulated, non discriminatory and no one is left without unlike the US. However because health care is not totally free at the point of use it encourages people to be more careful with their own health.

There were some points brought about that and the NHS in one of the debates. Other EU countries have insurance based health care, no not like the US, it's highly regulated, non discriminatory and no one is left without unlike the US. However because health care is not totally free at the point of use it encourages people to be more careful with their own health.

​@@David-bi6lf, well the Tories sort of tried to do this for the long term but British people said no cos "private=bad".

@@inbb510 I'm not sure that's the real issue here. Privatization in my eyes means free market, and this is where the consumer is given the choice, i.e. you choose the supermarket you want to shop at. Privatization in the NHS is for example hospitals being run by private companies, that not a free market, the user has no choice. A free market would be allowing competing hospitals. Also its because the media entirely focuses on the UK system vs US system, its either one or the other whilst ignoring far better European systems where insurance is regulated and affordable.

@@David-bi6lf , British people associate an insurance based healthcare system as being private and therefore bad. The British people are too immature atm to have an honest debate about the shortcomings of the NHS because all they will say is that "it has been underfunded and if we just give the funding it needs it will work".

Not that reform 😱

No reform from Reform,they are only lining their own offshore sandpits.