The REAL Reason We Got Kingdom Hearts: Cloud Version on Switch 

It's worth saying that while you shouldn't buy these collections on Nintendo Switch, you SHOULD buy them on Playstation, Xbox, or PC! The 1.5+2.5 collection was already an incredible package, but the All-In-One Collection throws in 2.8 and KH3 to provide maybe the most bang for your buck of ANY single video game collection on the market right now.

What seriously kills me is the fact that I JUST bought the All-In-One Package collection on PS4, and then they come out on Switch. They had me up until they said cloud version. Yeah, I'd actually like to *play* the game, not press the x button only for it to finally register by the time Kingdom Hearts 4 comes out.

I'm actually kind of afraid of this selling well because... well, everything sells well on the switch

A wise man once said: "Man is the only animal that trips twice over the same stone". SQUARE at this point has tripped with both feet on the same stone multiple times and gone back for more.

9:30 THIS!!! I can't believe not as many people are upset by this part alone! Why should I have to pay $90 for these games when I WON'T EVEN OWN THEM??? But this again shows Square doesn't really care about the of the ports after the real bad bugs with both PS3 and PC ports. Leave it to Square though to turn something that should be simple to something needlessly complicated

Fantastic arguments all around, this was very well thought out. Makes me really sad because I just picked up the entire series for 30 bucks at Walmart on PS4, but one of my family members bought it on switch because he didn’t have any other system or console. I want to send him this video but I don’t want to make him feel bad for shelling out $71 :/

Kingdom Hearts Fans:"We want KH ported to Switch similar to The Witcher 3 and Doom a straight up port!" Square Enix:"Heard you loud and clear you want the cloud version right?" Kingdom Hearts Fans:"That's not what we even said!"

The more I read the Square Enix New Year's Letter, the more it read's like a threat XD

I hate how scummy it is that we pretty much can't even really vote with our wallets on this for what we actually want Buying the game on other platforms will just tell them that "There's no audience for KH on Nintendo platforms so let's not do that ever again" Not buying them at all will say the same thing Buying them will tell them that "Cloud versions are perfectly acceptable" even when they're very much not It's almost as bad as them calling Neo TWEWY a failure because it didn't sell as well as *FF7 REMAKE* I'm pirating this shit cuz of how terrible this is

I felt like I was on the receiving end of Sora's insane air combos, after seeing the trailer, then seeing the performance, and finally the price for these. 🤢

It's a shame it doesn't work, cause Kingdom Hearts is a perfect game for the Switch. ... But yeah, having the physical copy is better anyway. Love your green screen room.

I hear people talk about how the collections have absurd file sizes that would be painful to fit on the Switch's storage or a game card, but that's horseshit because they fit the games on PS3 BLU-RAY DISCS. If those can handle the games, Switch cards can, too. Just separate 1.5 and 2.5 and you're good. You didn't need a cloud version.

Really thoughtful points here. While I do own a Nintendo Switch, I had no interest in this release to begin with since I already bought the collection on PC last year. Now that I'm seeing feedback on it and whatnot, I'm even more convinced that it's just a waste of time and money.

people don’t hate on Square cause FF has all of us by the nostalgia balls… but, I mean… NFTs and Cloud gaming??? The light of the crystal apparently shines green

Then Kingdom Hearts* Cloud version is the 2nd best seller in Japan... YET! Many people are having trouble getting access to the game during peak hours (non peak are office and school hours), making it useless to many people.

To be fair naming a company based on a functional company in one of your games is amazing! It sucks they only had Shinra but saying you work for a fictional organization I just lovr

Adding onto this, the reason they came up with for the Cloud versions, according to an interview, was because of storage space. Fucking storage space! On a system with expandable storage! On a system known for physical releases that have a mandatory download for most of the bloody games or collections! With games that would have to be compressed down to work anyway so they wouldn't be 80GB like other versions! It's absolutely nuts. I think your theory is dead on the money, honestly. There has to be more behind this than "We don't think Nintendo Switch owners know what a MicroSD is"

For 10,000 years he laid dormant

I get the convenience sake when it comes to Cloud gaming, but the technology just isn't there yet. We're like a decade behind for a technology like that to catch up and Switch is mainly a portable device where it already defeats its purpose. It's not like Gamepass where you have a paid monthly subscription service and you can install every game from the list on your drive as long as you pay for that service. And selling the complete package on Cloud for a lot higher price compared to the competition is a dick move from Square-Enix. Just outsource the project to a different company and optimize them to run the HD remasters natively. I'd be happy to pay for it.

Im so glad that i looked it up before buying it. I would gladly pay 100~$ for the full kh collection on switch despite owning it on ps4 but i wasnt sure what cloud version meant. thanks for the video!

I wish they just released the original 1.5+2.5 collection on its own from 3. I was prepared to buy this collection a second time at full price until I tested the demo out… horrible seeing the franchise treated this way

They did Kingdom Hearts on cloud but the Switch can run Nier Automata (no cloud) and KH: Melody of Memory (no cloud too)

If someone « debunked » that video I wouldn’t believe him, this whole thing is clearly sooo Square Enix

Thank you for reminding me why I love your RU-vid channel so much :-) editing and humor were on point, and honestly you’ve inspired a lot of the videos on my own channel. Keep up the great work!

Remember watching this channel like 7 years ago! Always made quality content

My old Windows XP with less than 1 gig of ram could run an old version of the emulator of PCSX2 with KH2FM+ with the partial english patch that released many years ago it just seems that anything outside of Yoshi-P/FF14 is a fucking travesty with this people

Always love how you go one step beyond the current conversation instead of just pointing out the obvious.

Another thing I don't see people mention is that you can easily out-stream the install file size in data. Streaming video is very data intensive, and you could easily spend 2-5 times what an install would take you with streaming 1080p video with sound.

Great video! It was convincing and entertaining all the way through! Your theory at least makes more sense than people blaming it on "lazy developers". Could we please get over that phase already? Btw 5:47 I see someone's been watching some Tim Rogers...

so upon further testing the cloud version of KH2 is suspected to be the prepatched pc version. audio doesn't play correctly (trinity major drive and magnet at the same time has audio issues) and thunder is like dubstep thunder

Dude just found your channel and I really love how honest you are with your content.

So basically, the reason why this exists is the EXACT plot of inFAMOUS: Second Son? "Job Security"

Sad fact is that is actually selling well apparently :(

I think what also plays a role in this is that with a cloud version, releasing a game on future consoles is beyond cheap. Think about it this way: No need to recompile the game. No need to do post launch bug fixes, the game is running on the exact same hardware in the backend. Any development cost for making a port would be making software to receive the stream. This software gets shared between multiple games that also have "cloud versions" and pretty soon you have an entire library of titles that can be ported for no cost, but still charge full price for.

Jacob, your my favorite Kingdo Hearts RU-vidr even if your not and its more about square enix but kinda not.. Idk you cool and your content is well done.

One could say Sqaure Enix fans are experiencing prolonged Cloud strife.

I really don't think anyone can beat cloud gaming. When I go on airplanes I always play games among the clouds with a handheld switch or portable console.

I feel like “cloud” versions of games shouldn’t be full price but that just me.

Fantastic video. Solid jokes, cool info, great length can’t wait for more

I enjoy the way you write/record these videos. The tone you achieve here is really unique in its wit and snappiness. Good job pal

Not only does the Switch need an adapter for ethernet but its also capped at a download speed of 15 Mbit which is super slow. For comparison: The xbox cloud gaming service recommends you play games with AT LEAST 80 Mbit. There was no way at the beginning of this that it was gonna work fine.

I feel like Square Enix is trying to rediscover the definition of insanity.

Oh way, Jacob's back. That was a fun history lesson. I migh've heard of Shinra back then but I had long forgotten about it. Interesting perspective

I’ve heard that cloud versions of games are released on the switch because they actually work very well in Japan where they have better internet infrastructure. Anybody know how true that is? Could be they just don’t care if it doesn’t really translate overseas.

The return of the King

The main thing that Annoys me is the fact that 1.5 2.5 easily would run on Nintendo switch, and if that was the only one in a non cloud form, i think everyone wouldn’t be nearly as pissed Also, the reason I only mention 1.5+2.5 working, is because 2.8 has the massive disadvantage of having 0.2 on it, which is basically a tech demo for kh 3, so it can’t work without being a cloud game, which applies to kh3 as well

Bruh, I didn’t even know this existed.

Magitech-nologies actually sounds good.

There is also the reality that the engines for KH has never ported well off of their primary platform. The ports of KH on ps3 and ps4 were dreadfully broken. And even when the PS4 code was used to drive the Xbox code the Xbox introduced bugs, and then the PC ports took a really long time to get them playable. So it also possible square didn’t want to pay to port the code to the switch only to have it be broken.

I could see this definitely happening, like there is no reason for KH1 and KH2 to be a cloud version.

We said we wanted Cloud IN Kingdom Hearts 3, not Kingdom Hearts 3 ON cloud.

When I've had this discussion with friends I have taken my firm stance that cloud gaming will never be an option until we have sophisticated quantum computing as a cheap home option. I'm not saying it won't be give it another 20-30 years, I'm just saying that it's not one right now

Square clearly hasn't heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I'm a very casual gamer, but I've always wanted to play Kingdom Hearts. But given that I'm a pretty causal gamer and most of the games I like to play are on Nintendo, I have a Switch. And I have a Mac. But given that this release looks so disappointing, I'm almost tempted to one of these days just buy a cheap laptop and a computer just to play this on PC. I had no idea. It makes me sad but I know it's going to sell on the Switch, but it would be cool to see it fail so that maybe they'd invest to releasing it properly.

Randomly stumbled upon this video, I like your energy

This video popped up at the top of my recommended, and after watching it, I see why. Between the spinny barstool you're sitting on and the quality of the jokes, I know this channel is gonna be good.

The only decent thing SE's cloud gaming brought us were the FFXIII trilogy ports on PC, which were originally designed for the Shinra streaming service. The first two games are pretty rough without mods, but Lightning Returns is a pretty good port and looks beautiful with the colour filter removed.

Wow, this is how out of the loop I've been on gaming these past few months because I didn't even know it'd come out on Switch until I saw your Twitter post. At first, I was like, oh, a Cloud version? What does Cloud have to do with this? And then I looked it up and I was like 'oh - that kind of cloud'. Anyway, nice to see a vid from you! I always love your expressions when you say something that's just common sense. What's the point of buying for the Switch if you can't even play it on the go? Unless that's your only console but if it's your only console, that's kind of sad. At this point, the PS4 is pretty cheap and has way too many games on it to not be worth buying.

Maybe they should turn kingdom hearts into a CGI animated tv series and have it air on Disney channel. I’m sure it would become the number one show on Disney channel.

Enjoyed the chair climbing the building at 2:14 impeccable balance and tbh entertaining af

Great upload, Jacob. It’s so weird they made the decision to put most of the kh games on the cloud. It absolutely makes sense for kh3 as I do not think the switch can even run that but the earlier ds, and ps2 titles shoudve been very easy to run on the switch if games like devil may cry, resident evil 1, and The Witcher 3 (downgraded I think abit to run on it) can be run on the switch 😅

Oh my God, shinra technologies is SUCH a bad name. It could only go terribly wrong from there

Damn, it’s good to see you back

Absolute banger video dude! Glad to know that I'll be happy not getting scammed.

Ok, matsuda needs to go. I thought he was a pretty good ceo, but the fact that he supports NFTs and Cloud gaming really tells me that his viewpoints are cancerous.

I live in Canada and recently ordered Kingdom Hearts The Story So Far (all games up to and including 3) for $19.99. Cloud versions are so low effort and deplorable. Would be great if no one bought them, but oh well. Great video, btw. Subscribed

I appreciate the use of Cloudchasers as your opening bgm

Very concise and informative! Hopefully someday we'll get a proper Switch port

Great speculation, it's always funny to look back at the ambitious failures in Square's history.

Shinra is the most slimy company in video game history Oh and the FF7 shinra was pretty bad too I guess

Good news from the future They fixed it I bought it the other day I’ve been playing kh1 blind aside from an occasional minor cutscene lag the gameplay and game has been really smooth and great

This is my first time watching one of your videos and I wanted to say you look and dress and talk like the manager from Kenan and Kel, which I think is honestly really cool

As a rabid fan of the series since Chain of Memories for the GBA, I refuse to pay for the cloud version of these games. I tried the demo (not intending to buy) and lemme tell you the constant stuttering, ESPECIALLY during panning shots, actually caused me some eyestrain.

The best option would just be to emulate the PS2 versions on a modded switch

Great video Jacob! BTW could you post some of the articles in this video in the description? Would love to read them.

i was watching you ranting about shinra technologies and i finally read the name of the channel. and yes. that sure is a frustrated jacob

Nintendo make great games but they’re practises are very anti-consumer and I have no idea why people don’t complain about it more.

I mostly agree with your sentiments on cloud gaming. For the majority of people cloud games simply won't work for any number of reasons, but there's nothing wrong with giving people the option and allowing them to make up their own minds on the matter.

You Are My New Favorite Game Reviewer, The Sarcasm You Bring To The Table Is Amazing 😂

So wanted to update, I’m 10 hours in, I have completed quite a few worlds now I just completed Atlanta and I’m about to go to Halloween town. I would say that’s around halfway through the game so overall playing through first day I wasn’t able to play at all server issues wouldn’t connect. The next two days specifically the deep jungle and Alice in Wonderland I would say dorm both times dorn the game I had the notification that big game was being downgraded because of server issues but it didn’t crash. After that going to Aladdin‘s world the whale the little mermaids world I haven’t had a single issue whatsoever so overall maybe besides the first day of the game not working at all I’ve had maybe five or 10 minutes of inconveniencing through the entire game assuming it sticks to that through the next half I can deal with less than half an hour of inconvenience or noticeable graphical drops for that small period of time the game‘s been fantastic so far

Right to the point, and thank you for reminding people to not buy into this crappy future of cloud gaming. (Buy them anywhere else lol, or #emulate).

I will never support this bullshit. I would have bought a physical or digital copy day 1. I will never ever buy a game thats being streamed

I wonder why they couldn't just port the PS2 versions?

I'm disappointed because I'm someone who only has a Nintendo Switch, and I've been wanting to try Kingdom Hearts for a few years now. I was so excited when I heard it was finally coming to the Switch, only to hear about how terrible it was on release. Hopefully, something will change for the better.

1) I like your use of "Cloudchasers" from Kingdom Hearts II, very appropriate! 2) Highwind Technologies, maybe? It's still better than Shin-Ra... 3) You could be Adrien Brody's long lost younger brother :)

Didn't see the conclusion coming. Great video.

I don't know cloud gaming but makes sense lol thank you Jacob

I'm just waiting for the whole collection to be on Steam and if it works for Steam Deck, this solution of "On the go" would be solved.

i'm guessing another reason that there won't be a physical release, is because of the file size of the collections?

My theory is Square has some 4K Switch dev kit and are selling you games twice. If they knew the Switch had a follow up, they could easily sell you the games now then give you non-cloud versions later.

And then a lot of folks had error problems on launch day smh. I will be interested to see how the numbers shake out after that misstep but like Jacob said it will probably sell like crazy. I for one feel pretty luck with how my exspriance worked out. I was crusing the e-store after the nintindo direct (I didn't watch and hardly ever do for those kind of events) and saw that they were on sale for pre-order and would release the next day. KH3+re-mind was $40 so I figured whey not, had no idea what cloud gaming was at the time. Didn't realise the really good deal was the all in one collection at the time but that is neither here nor there at this point. the next day I tried to boot up and was met with the error and upon a quick Google search I found out a lot of folks were dealing with this and allegedly there was a patch coming, this is also when I found out what cloud gaming is (thanks Reddit) so I connected to Nintendo. I would have actually waited for a patch had it not been for the cloud thing but that whole system felt off to me. I don't want to have to have an internet connection to play a one player game! I feel like I got off lucky that I manged to get a full refund when I told them I was unable to play the game, didn't mention my thoughts on cloud gaming though. I kinda wish I had because I feel like they might listen a bit more if the complaint costs them sales. Still I gotta wonder how many complaints they were getting at that time about the error, yikes!

Was wondering which youtuber would be lucky enough to get explain to me the cloud and the kh series collaboration Your mindblow pic got my attention Your description/input of why, amuse me. How u keep doing videos like these since u mention that it not your usual thing and etc

DAYUM! Looks like Square's REALLY throwing for content, just on such a high level, none of us could've possibly imagined...

“New forms of excitement”!?!?😹😹😹😹 5:49 😂😂🤣🤣🤣

I like all my games physical man, genuinely owning it feels and looks better. I love seeing my games on a stand. I'll do DLCs though for characters, outfits and different maps and shit other than that I'm not a digital guy or apparently a cloud guy I didn't even know this existed until this video.

I love how when the video starts, first music I hear is Cloudchasers

"Strife Studios" writes itself

That "Cloud in Kingdom Hearts III" joke was so dumb and obvious, yet it still made me laugh.

Even the ezio collection fixes the issues square had

Thanks for the theory, it’s a very good video!