You guys rose so quickly, and you deserve it. happy to have been here from the start where your guys' viewer count was in the hundreds. it is interesting to me, how we often think of orcs as stupid and mindless, doomed without Sauron... Azog kind of disproves that notion and shows the capabilities of orc leadership
Thank you so much for your kind words and for sticking with us from the beginning! Yes, it's always interesting to delve into nuanced interpretations in order to gain new perspectives on topics which some people may have held preconcieved notions on since reading the Hobbit as a child for example. Thanks for sharing your insight!
Could some mortal orcs just have long life? Gandalf describes a variety of Orcs in Moria. "There are Orcs, very many of them, and some are large and evil, black Uruks of Mordor..."
Durins Bain is a dick, I’m glad Gandalf smashed his arse right into the side of mountains of Charadras. Seriously I think its a bit harsh to blame waking the Balrog on the Dwarves - how were they to know a dirty great Balrog had made a bed down there? Its literally their job to be miners and crafters, it’s not really greedy - they were just doing mining like they always did. Elves loved Mithril and were always keen to buy it from the Dwarves, they forget that.
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He hadnt been there in a few years and maybe no one he was around knew either… 🤷🏽♂️ ge was pretty excited to stop in and say hi before he found out what happened…
Azog could also just have one of the lesser rings. Given the connection of Kazha-dun with the elven forges, and the unknowable number of lesser rings that exists, it's not unthinkable that a couple of them found themselves in the treasuries of Kazha-dun when it fell and a week magic ring that just imbue its wearer with longevity while making them just a bit stronger could explain his longevity and also his power.
Thank you, this was a great listen for me because it's 3am in the morning right now and listening to your voice is like the old days of listening to story time on the radio :) I've just found your playlists and about to dive into one of those for the rest of the night 👏🏾👏🏾
Guess what? I've returned to listen again to the stories while I'm doing my knitting and I've come to realise I don't need to see what's on the screen because the narration is that good :)
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Gandalf was a Myra gets killed and comes back along with the Balrog known as Dorian's Baine. Isnt it possible that the Balrog could have came back in some form?
It's implied by the several casa we see, like Morgot, Sauron and Saruman for example that once they get corrupted past a certain point they become "stuck" in that form so that when it is destroied they then just exists as formless spirists incapable of influencing the world thus inable to make a new body.
Am I the only one here who misheard "Bulldog" instead of "Boldog"? Because while listening, I said to myself "Yeah, in the movies, Azog does kind of have the face of a bulldog I gues-- OH. BOLDOG. RIGHT. I SAID NOTHING." That aside, thank you for being so knowledgeable with this topic, Realms!
Do you think Bolg could have been Azog reformed, but claimed to be his son to rally the orcs to support him, as they might not believe he was Azog returned? If Azog is the son of an orc and a Maia, then he is the complete opposite and kin of Luthien, who was the daughter of a elf and a Maia!
The transformation of orcs from elves has two dimensions: physical and spiritual. Bodily transformation may be a result of the application of genetic engineering. Spiritual transformation, on the other hand, can be interpreted as a change in the relationship of the soul with the body (hröa) rather than a change in the essence of the soul (fëa). The souls of the Elves are bound to Arda, and therefore bound to bodies constructed from Arda's material. In other words, they tend to exist depending on a body. If orcs are mortal, this spiritual transformation means that their souls have eliminated the tendency to exist within a body. The phenomenon of fading is defined as the soul consuming the body over time. Due to this spiritual transformation, it can also be inferred that orcs are exempt from the phenomenon of fading. Just as Lúthien was born from the Melian-Thingol union, it is also possible to create special beings unique to his species, such as Azog, from the union of Umaiar and corrupted elves (orcs).
Some people seem a bit critical. I think this was an enjoyable video. Well put together, well edited, well narrated, and we'll written. Keep having fun and making fun videos for us.
The movies made Azog, and by extension Middle Earth, more interesting. Although it's not canon I really like his involvement in the story. It's a shame Tolkien fans are such purists they treat the books like "holy text" and any deviation of that as "heresy".
@@kardy12, you are right, movie Azog and movie Bolg are typical fantasy villains - but to be fair, we should admit that not all of Tolkien's characters were totally original. He borrowed liberally from already existing material. Even the concept of an evil and corrupting ring of power, which needed to go back to it's origins, had already been done by Richard Wagner - which is absolutely fine! All writers make use of already existing material. But especially Tolkien's orcs are typical fantasy villains - which is also not a bad thing per se 😉 However, Tolkien experts and even most Tolkien fans acknowledge that he invented the orcs, who are definitely sentient and moderately intelligent hominids, in order to give his heroes a bunch of antagonists who can be killed without feeling any remorse whatsoever. Tolkien's orcs are mostly cannon fodder and a pest which should be extinguisbed. Tolkien even used the word "infested with orcs". Tolkien wrote about formidable battles in "The Hobbit" and his LOTR trilogy. But if you look at the antagonists, there are only very few humans like the Haradrim, and a slain member of the Haradrim is looked at with pity. But the majority of antagonists on Tolkien's battlefields aren't humans. They are orcs, trolls, wargs and nazgul (who are not human anymore), and while Tolkien did create evil humans, none of them is killed by Tolkien's heroes. The mumakils of the Haradrim are as close as it gets. It's obvious that in his published novels Tolkien avoided to write about humans killing other humans! This might've something to do with his personal traumatic experiences in WWI. But Tolkien wanted to write about dark times and wars. And that is the reason why Tolkien introduced so many orcs - whole armies of orcs! His heroes could be brave on the battlefield and even kill orcs for sports - l am looking at you, Gimli and Legolas! - but they didn't have to feel guilty about killing so many sentient beings! Tolkien wanted his heroes to have their cake and eat it, too! But when Tolkien was older and more mature, he started to realize that his concept of orcs was problematic for several reasons. How could it be that Eru allowed the existence of sentient beings who were evil from the moment they were born, and beyond redemption? Were orc babies evil, too? It wasn't their fault that they were born evil! Tolkien started to tinker with the origin story of his dark brain children, and he told us later in his life, that orcs could be redeemed - but only by Eru himself. And while Tolkien eventually regretted that he had never written about a good Haradrim, he categorically excluded the possibility of good orcs! So, let's talk about one abysmally bad Amazon product which l try to mostly avoid: ROP! While l hated most of it, there was one plotline which was intriguing: the story of the proto-orc Adar and his band of orcs who wanted to win a homeland for themselves where they could live their villainous orcish lives as they pleased. That was a truly original idea which has never been explored by Tolkien! It helped that Joseph Mawle is a terrific actor, and l heard that Mawle's replacement who has been cast as Adar after Mawle left the show for undisclosed reasons, is ok, too. But while I really liked Adar and his Uruks in the first season - it was actually the only thing which l liked - the narrative became absurd in the second season. We are actually shown a nuclear orc family: mummy and daddy orc plus a cute baby orc. And these creatures don't even look and behave very orcish anymore! We are supposed to feel sympathy for them after all. This is downright silly, and it actually dilutes Tolkien's orc conundrum. The orc question is much less interesting, if the orcs are - well - less orcish. And while Tolkien said that his orcs procreate sexually, like humans and elves, Tolkien never wrote anything about loving nuclear orc families! For all we know kiddie orcs might be removed from their parents as soon as they are born, and drilled in order to become evil fighting machines from the get-go! While we cannot know that for sure, this idea about the upbringing or orcs might be much more in synch with Tolkien's world, than ROP's mum and dad plus baby orc who just want to go home and stop fighting! These peace-loving creatures have nothing to do with Tolkien's orcs anymore. Tolkien never solved the orc conundrum, and while the corrupted elves-to-orc narrative is best known, Tolkien had changed his mind. Before he died he told his son Christopher that he wanted to try out other solutions. But he never settled this question.
Get over yourself, Troll. Go watch Rings of Power since you don't mind people modifying an established work that has intricate world design, relationships, story, and lore built into it.
@@kardy12 , l agree with you! I mostly hate ROP - but it's abysmally bad and most certainly against Tolkien's spirit if we start calling each other names. But you know what? If someone feels better after having insulted people about whom they know next to nothing - it's fine. It doesn't have the slighted negative consequences for us 😉 The only negative effect is, that Tolkien fandom gets a bad rep.
