The Reason BLOODY Mary Gets Her Name - The Marian Persecutions 

He pulls a lot of his ideas from it!

@@lyndsaycrawford Yes its VERY losely based on the wars of the Roses

@@chitlika yep he said the Lancastrians & Yorkists were changed to Lannister’s & Starks but obviously he’s put a lot of his own spin n stuff . Although Hadrians wall was his inspiration for the wall, I think the north wanting to be independent represent the Scottish wars of independence. There’s so much more that compares to loads of different historical events but the man is a genius! I never understand why Hollywood make historical films inaccurate when the truth is always more interesting

@@lyndsaycrawford Lol. Westeros still looks a lot tamer in comparison!

not true...the English didn’t have dragons! 🤣

Would you disobey an order?

Not only the soldiers, but also the hysterical militants.

Ha ha

no she was batshit crazy like most of congress seems to be. lol

Nope no hair of the dog with that Bloody Mary!

Hehehehe! Very good 👍

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What a terrible time to live in. We live like kings compared to those from the not so distant past. Those poor souls didn't deserve this.

And the Anabaptists, who were burned by both Catholics and Protestants.

They were all killed in his name in the first place

Just the Tudors? God bless all the victims of 1000’s of years of religious persecution, the world over. Some places it’s still happening! But it must’ve been exhausting, flip flopping religion regarding whichever child of Henry viii sat on the throne or whatever he favoured, that even changed from time to time.

@@dragonniz the song sympathy for the devil, by Rolling Stones, there’s a line “I watched with glee while your kings & Queens fought for 10 decades over Gods they made” I think that sums up religious war & persecution perfectly

Agreed - Her treatment by Henry and the treatment of her mother was not good at all. I think it left her rather bitter.

For sure she was. But this is no excuse for her disgusting cruelty and her complete lack of empathy and compassion. A fanatic, ugly and cold blooded, that´s all what she is remembered for.

@@lupusductus9406 She was her fathers daughter then !!.

I completely agree. Thank you very much for your excellent and conscience work. ❤️

And, the pendulum of history seems to be swinging back to that sort of despotic power structure once again. Here in the United States, the criminals making the rules are talking about re-educating those of us who do not wish to have all of our adult decisions made for us entitled elitists.

The worst way to go? I am not so sure about that. It was very painful yes, but only lasted minutes before you’d die, and if you were lucky you passed out or died from the smoke before you even got burned when at the stake. Even if you did get burned, then you could pass out from the pain and the executioner wouldn’t be able to wake you again before you died. Unlike some other forms of torture-executions where they might actually stop to ensure you are fully conscious before continuing. In the past they were masters of prolonged torturous deaths. One of the favourite methods of executions in England was to be hung, drawn and quartered - it doesn’t sound *too bad* but it was designed to cause great pain and not let you die too quickly. Hung by the neck but not until death, tied behind a horse and dragged along through the streets (which is much more painful than it sounds because it would remove your skin and you’d have severe grazes all over your body), then finally disemboweled and cut into pieces. Sawing - when people were sawn in half they were usually strung upside down to make sure their brain kept getting oxygen for a long as possible so they wouldn’t die too quickly as they were sawn from the groin to the head. Flaying involved removing the skin with a very sharp knife. That would cause all the sensitive nerves in the skin to go absolutely crazy giving you an immense amount of pain. You could actually survive most if not all the skin being removed, at least for a short time until you died of shock or fluid loss. A popular execution method in China was Linchi “death by a thousand cuts”. In this the executioner would start cutting the person bit by bit. Nothing too severe to kill straight away but enough to cause intense pain, as the victim was being sliced apart. Then there were the ones that took days to die. Some of the victims of Impaling would not die quickly (depends on where the pole was inserted) and some of the executioners who employed this method would impale their victims in such a way to keep them alive possibly for days just hanging there on the steak. For the Wheel they broke your bones with a hammer and intertwined your broken limbs through the spokes of a wheel and hoisted it up in the air. You’d then be picked apart and eaten alive by birds over days. Scaphism was being put into (usually) two boats sandwich together. You’d be forced to drink a combination of sour milk and honey and have honey and other stuff smeared on your body. You’d then be left out where you’d be eaten by insects (again over many days). The stuff you’d been forcefed would give you diarrhea which would help attract the insects. There are more and I haven’t even mentioned the seemingly innocuous ones like the Oubliette where you’d be thrown into a tiny pit, not big enough to be able to move much and often where sewerage would go, and just be left to die, “forgotten about” (as per the name).

@@steves1015 Okay Steve, I take back - There are worse ways to go. Good God - The level of thought given to making another human being suffer to death - and to prolong that suffering in such extremely agonizing ways - makes me question the point of our existence in this universe. I pray to God he will set this broken world right sooner, rather than later.

Burning alive is a horrible way to die but the worst way has to be flying. Much slower and more traumatic

Never actually crowned.

@@IMBlakeley actually the first queen was Lady Jane Grey of 9 days but Mary had her executed.

@@lavenderhaze572 If we disallow Maud because she was never crowned the same caveat applies to Jane Grey.

@@nobbynoris The Tudors had a long history of killing off anyone whose claim to the throne might rival theirs. Besides, Mary I initially spared Lady Jane Grey but decided she had no choice after Wyatt's rebellion.

@@nobbynoris exactly! she didn't want to marry Dudley or become queen - so young as well really is sad.

If she invited me to anything, I would change my name, my appearance, and move as far away as I could 😂

She actually summoned Protestant exiles from abroad back to England (presumably so that she could put them on trial and execute them) and if they didn't obey, she'd confiscate their property!

@@sayitlikeitis5026 That' s crap!!!

@@TheUntoldPast Why do they need to recognise the 'crimes' of the British Empire? They were in the past and can't hurt anyone any more. The British Empire, whilst imperfect, was mild in comparison with nearly every other empire in history. The transition from empire was swift, and, in the main, handled in a remarkably enlightened way. Do you recognise the 'crimes' of the British Empire' and, if so, what are you going to do about them? The current Royal Family cannot help who they are any more than you can. Why should they be singled out for special attention, and the actions of their forebears, no matter how tenuous the family ties, be dangled in front of them?

@@robertcook2572 or butchers apron

Perhaps some attention should be paid to the persecutions in France, Spain and Germany. It might create a sense of perspective.

@@alecblunden8615 yes, that would be interesting to wonder if there was anything more radical than guerotting...

As a Catholic I always like pointing what you’re saying out, yes Mary was atrocious in her own reign but she saw her father kill her fellow Catholics for treason against the crown and saw hundreds of years of her faith’s English history destroyed with the Abbeys, people always act like Elizabeth was a Saint when she has hundreds of Catholics martyred because of her because they refused to recognize her as “Head” of the Church

@@corncrackerkid5092 I don’t think many people really consider Elizabeth as a saint. When she is mentioned it is often brought up how much she liked to execute people, and jokes are even made about that. Although she is revered more than most monarchs for the other things that were achieved in her lifetime. One reason for the difference in opinion of her over Mary is that the country became predominantly protestant, so of course “history” would look more kindly on Elizabeth as a protestant ruler. Watch something like Blackadder II and you can see how English people view her.

Sure it wasn't hot wings?

Friday, October 13, 1307......King of France ordered the entire organization known as the Knights Templar, arrested, imprisoned, tortured and executed.

There were 13 men at the last supper, so it would well predate these exeecutions.

I agree. Religion was just the excuse to condemn these unfortunate peoples to horrific executions.

@@michaelpaparelli3227 do you think when Jews were persecuted as well during the Spanish Inquisition it had to do with control as well and not religion?

@@michaelpaparelli3227 especially Cranmer

@@analogkid4957 it did It’s well known that the motive of the Spanish crown was religious unity not religion itself

I second this! She had a reign twice as long as her sisters and was just as if not more brutal

Really? That’s crazy, I’ve watched quite a few documentaries about her and they never talk about this. Everything I’ve seen about her is from bbc or some other UK program. Do they try and protect her image?

Exactly, especially Scottish history this has only been introduced into Scottish schools in the past decade. It’s always been an English curriculum for education.

Good point, and maybe mention the people martyred under Elizabeth for not following the Church Of England

It was ironic that these ppl suffered at the hands of whichever Henry’s children sat on the throne, considering Henry only broke with Rome & turned to Protestant (or Lutheranism) to get a divorce. He didn’t give a shit about the religious side of it yet it completely influenced his children.

@@lyndsaycrawford he founded the Anglican Church, Lutherans were too strict for his taste

@@corncrackerkid5092 Lutheranism lead to Protestant it was Lutheranism that opened his mind to the idea of a different religion outwith Catholicism.

At least Elizabeth did start off her reign as a religious moderate. Her religious settlement was initially designed to levy fines against people, rather than execute them. She said that she did not want to "make windows into men's souls". For the first ten years of her reign or so, this policy was relatively successful but things changed when Mary, queen of Scots sought political refuge in England. Mary became a figurehead for Catholic recusant activity in England for those who wished to see her placed on the throne, and these events led to heavier crackdowns on religious dissidents in England.

Thanks, you're too kind!!

Brilliant 👏🤣

Shit times especially if your common. No rights, nothing.

Yeh Unfortunately Catholics got whacked in the countries where the Reformers won the day as well. Saying your King or Queen’s religion was false implied their divine right to rule was illegitimate which was deemed high treason

@@michaelkelly9442 The root of the violence was the Vatican, they started the ball rolling and kept it rolling. At some point there will be a backlash against the violent persecutors and that's what happened.

Scary times not to be a christian too. Lots of people were killed for not believing, or not attending church regularly etc. Such a strange time.

That story of the young blind woman paying her friends to read the bible for her was so sad.

Will do this shortly! Apologies! Rock on Angelo!

Jane Grey was not a rightful anointed Queen, nor was she rightfully in line of the succession. It was Edward VI who wrote her in when dying because she was Protestant but she was far from next in line as that was Mary, then Elizabeth

Brag about it

@@nobbynoris his mother was Mary Stuart

@@lyndsaycrawford WHAT? who's mother was Mary Sturt? If your'e talking about Edward his mother was Jane Seymour....get your facts right!!!

@@colinlavelle7806 I’m obviously referring to James VI/ I. You’ll notice the person who left the comment I’m replying to has removed it (or at least I can’t see it) I’m just fine regarding my knowledge of history. I work in historical research peer reviewing & academic scrutiny. But you wouldn’t even need any qualifications to know Jane Seymour was Edward vi mother. You shouldn’t just jump to conclusions about people mate, based on half a conversation

What was the name of the documentary? I know her sister, was as, if not more brutal than Mary

@@tjchesney4997 elizabeth was brutal, every tudor were, but mary went overboard and was most brutal amongst the tudors.

@@tjchesney4997 yeah. Well, Elizabeth I was under threat almost her ENTIRE reign, so she, in order to survive, HAD to get as ruthless as possible.

There was Maud but she & Stephen used to go back & fourth with it

Certainly more Catholics persecuted under Elizabeth's reign than protestants burnt at the stake under Mary's and that is a FACT

@@kevinmidgley5876 When "quoting" "facts" you need to include the whole story. You forgot to include the Vatican/popes were actively encouraging insurrection against the English throne. In any period of history that alone will get you executed regardless of location, etc, etc x100.

@@Baltic_Hammer6162hmmmm when quoting facts seems you have the answer for everything

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Aw, the Tyndale Bible. I would like to hear about him.

To rule

@@the_red_barron1002 oh so you now make the rules? No she was the third, history doesn't start and finish when you say lol.

You’re not kidding! They were ruthless no one of today’s society would last five minutes in those times

Considering looking at these, would love to do something different with podcast though. Like a mix of real life, history and something a bit different.

Coming very soon! Looking at a chap called Robert Devereux, who met a rather grisly end.

@@TheUntoldPast thanks will check it out

I would recommend you look up how many Catholics Mary’s father killed, he was just as if not more atrocious than her

And many/most of henry's executions were because of rebellions or just pissing him off, not exactly over religion.

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I was thinking “Toasty Mary”

Smokey Mary sounds like a cocktail with a sparkler in it! Love it haha!

@@TheUntoldPast yeah man, I’m more a lager but I’d try that! Lol. Good episode as always! I loved the Scottish castle one. Keep it coming and I will keep watching and liking. Cheers bro!

I was thinking Flaming Mary would be a better handle for her.

Mary killed 300 people, Elizabeth 600, their father ordered the deaths of 37000. Unlike her sister and father, Mary killed those who wouldn't recant their beliefs, and reprieved those who did. Killing anyone for their belief is evil, but history is written by the victors.

@@borderlands6606 The figures suggest Elizabeth allowed the execution of C 130 priests and some 60 of their followers - naturally for their political activities . Of course, people in open rebellion faced death, and, by the standards of the day, quite rightly. That of over 40 years when all Europe was ranged against England where B!Kody Mary's reign of 5years was a bloodbath based on religious prejudice. Picking numbers out of the air just to support a spurious argument is, frankly, lying, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you actually believe them, which Iis worrying.

People often forget that the first ten years or so of Elizabeth's reign was relatively peaceful. She started off as a religious moderate. It was the arrival of Mary queen of Scots and her activity in Catholic recusant plots to put her on the throne which inadvertently led to some heavier crackdowns on religious dissidents in England.

@@alecblunden8615 The numbers I "picked out of the air" and "lied" about are based on a close reading of the histories. A short cut for anyone interested is: www.historyanswers.co.uk/people-politics/how-bloody-was-bloody-mary/ You say people in "open rebellion.. quite rightly" faced death, but the rebellion was against a state monarch, namely Elizabeth's father, usurping the role of the church and making himself head of it. Henry killed many of his hitherto closest confidents for making the same challenge. He had essentially gone rogue, and the murder of two wives and obsessive courtship of inappropriate partners - for someone setting themselves up as religious conduit - puts a different spin on rebellion. It was Henry who proposed a novelty, and those who opposed him and those who agreed were as likely to meet a similar end (More, Stafford, Cromwell, Wolsey, etc).

@@borderlands6606 Religious bigotry is not historical fact.

elizabeth...

Maud, Elizabeth, Anne, Victoria

@@lyndsaycrawford I don't think any of these four could rightly be described as ' infamous '.

Totally disagree. Catholicism today has lots of pagan symbolism that no one questions, such as the mitre hat the Pope wears is the same as the Pagan fish god Dagon.

I wouldn’t risk being executed for any religious reason, but it wasn’t like they had much choice after being reported. It was a lot different back then. The bible was still in Latin in those times and had to be read out by educated clergy. It wasn’t accessible to ordinary people. It was only translated into English and printed in the 1520s. So I can understand why people would want to have the bible translated and why they could see nothing wrong in that.

Luther did not

Me too. To think I would almost certainly have been tortured and executed for my thoughts / beliefs if I was alive at those times. (Although granted, maybe my thoughts and beliefs would have been different).

Roman

A church BBQ lmao 🤣🤣🤣 delicious

Politicians would find something else to persecute people about.

Classic haha!

In the wide view of world history very few wars were about religion. The few may have started that way but devolved into series of retributions unrelated to religion. Its a common myth which atheists love to "quote" that sounds reasonable to those ignorant of the true details of history.

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 The few wars? Keep reading more history mate and get back to me.

Well said. Religion is not about "freedom of your spirit", it is about controlling the mass of people. Control with the help of fear. A very old recipe. True religion takes place in every single person's heart and soul.

Martin Luther, a German, founded Lutheranism before Henry even thought of divorcing his wife Katherine. If Martin Luther never broke away from his vows as a monk THEN there wouldn’t be a Protestant England

@@corncrackerkid5092 it was nothing to do with religion for Henry though. He didn’t care that catholic sermons were in Latin or whatever other shite he came up with. Lutheranism suited him to divorce Catherine & that’s the only reason he broke with Rome. We’re saying the exact same thing

@@corncrackerkid5092 I don’t think he cared too much about religion as a whole he was introduced to Lutheranism as a option for divorcing his wife, which eventually lead to the lighter Protestant religion. My point being it wasn’t some spiritual awakening yet soooo many ppl were persecuted for their religious beliefs as his children took it seriously which is ironic as Henry only dabbled in it to get his divorce

@@corncrackerkid5092 and with that logic you could say “if Martin Luther had never been born” THEN there would’ve been no Protestant England. I mean how far back do we need to go with it. It appears we agree but for some reason you gave me a history lesson on Martin Luther which I’m aware of. It if wasn’t meant that way, I apologise sometimes you misinterpret text different as to if you were hearing someone say it.

@@lyndsaycrawford it’s incredible that even today in 2021 England still is not Roman Catholic unlike so many European countries. England’s main religion is the Anglican Church which emanates from the Divorce decree of Henry

The Vatican was actively and energetically calling for revolt against any departure from Roman Catholicism. This really ramped up when Elizabeth took the throne. Treason is going to get you a death sentence. The real solution would have been for the Vatican to reform itself back to its biblical foundation and shed all the pagan practices it'd accumulated over the years. 500 years later and its only gotten worse.

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Well said!

@@nobbynoris I don't engage in frivolous banter with people who can't offer any substance to support whatever position they're standing on.

Nothing says Jesus like burning people who want to believe what they wish.