In this scene British should have the Airco Dh2 pusher and not the Se5a.The guy that he's in the tail of Manfred is Maj Lanoe Hawker that was killed by Red Baron flying a Dh2.This scene is settle in 1916.The Se5a came in march 1917!
The thing that gets me about this scene is that it’s based on a real event during the war. Captain Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, who was considered the father of air-air combat for Germany, was killed in a mid air collision. The Royal flying corps, which was later turned In to the RAF, dropped a wreathe reading. “To the memory of Captain Boelcke, our brave and chivalrous opponent.” Absolutely horrific war but moments of humanity still shine through.
Manfred Von Richthofen is without a doubt, my idol. It is sad to see that men in today's society see war as another reason to kill rather than a reason to defend. Manfred did nothing more than fight for his country. He did not fight with hate, he did not fight with anger. He simply fought with courage and honor which is way all war which should fought. At the end of the day, both sides, both countries, both men; are all just that. Men. We should respect one another and fight to better our world and our country, not to better our kill count. May the legend of the Red Baron live on. All respect to Roy Brown, Manfred Von Richthofen and the other Aces of the Great War.
ahmadov julius Yes, we could argue ad nauseam about how hard or easy to obtain they were, but he is not to be dethroned as ace of aces. And he never lost his wingman, which i better then being high scoring killer
@117580392032998868702 erich came from a family that had a long history with flaying . he was just 20 when he had his first victory . i think he had some eagle genes in his DNA .
In a deleted scene in “Flyboys” a German pilot returns, via dropping it over the funeral service, the “deal” of one of the killed pilots. Rawlings is offended thinking the Germans were mocking their dead friend until their CO said they were paying tribute, honoring a fallen pilot.
This kind of professionalism was shown again, this time in WW2, When a German BF 109 escorted a badly damaged B17 bomber. Many of you here may have have known about it already
Was it Ye Old Pub? That's the first one that came to mind, and even then they showed honor isntead of rage, firing on a damaged plane is firing on a man in a parachute, as the German pilot said, repsect to all those pilots who had flown with honor.
if you actually look at his 80 kills the vast majority were slow 2 seater observation planes like the RE8........Not sure about the great pilot but certainly a successful one
Well....just like the Knights of old, they get replaced by "more efficient" and "better" soldiers who only follow and do as they are told. Which is to kill the enemy in the most efficient way possible, disregarding honor or even the lives of civilians who "accidentally" got killed.
It's amazing the tales you hear of the british and germans respecting eachtoher during wartime. Stories of pilots shot down, buried by the opposing side with full respect. Of bodies washing up at beaches after jutland, and buried in neat and tidy graves by opposing sides. Of men that died at zeebrugge, washing up on shores and being buried with named graves by the germans, with letters sent to the british embassy letting them know of the man. Such respect is admirable 🇬🇧🤝🇩🇪
The Canadians sure as hell didn't play these stupid gentlemen games. "Throughout the war, stretches of the Western Front observed an unofficial “live and let live” policy between Germans and their French or British enemies. By mutual agreement, both sides agreed not to attack the other unless ordered - and would even schedule truces for meals and bathroom breaks. There are very few recorded instances of this ever happening with Canadians. As Canadian Corps commander Arthur Currie would often boast after the war, his troops prided themselves on killing the enemy wherever and whenever they could. “We tried to make his life miserable,” Currie said in 1919. In one particularly cruel episode, Canadians even exploited the trust of Germans who had apparently become accustomed to fraternizing with allied units. Lieutenant Louis Keene described the practice of lobbing tins of corned beef into a neighbouring German trench. When the Canadians started hearing happy shouts of “More! Give us more!” they then let loose with an armload of grenades." While all Commonwealth units were encouraged to conduct trench raids, Canadians were widely regarded as trench raiding’s most enthusiastic practitioners and innovators.
All that illustrates how senseless and avoidable the war was. European nations shared enough - in fact engaged in decades of trade and mutual exchange in science and culture - to finding a peaceful solution for the crisis of 1914.
But all that died in this war too and never came back. No wonder since it was Europe’s collective suicide. There were not many really big wars as senseless and crazy as this so called great" one.
No this is false! What they teach you in school these days are lies. Snoopy did shoot him down the Red Baron, only reason why they say it was this Canadian pilot that shot him down was because after the war ended the German government negotiated with Britian, France and the US. That was actually apart of the treaty of Versailles. The allies tell the world that Germany's greatest flying aces was shot down by a Canadian and not a dog on the condition that they take the blame for starting the first world war.
Such a great scene! He may have been calculating, ruthless and "thorough" (the way he took out that recon plane) but despit some boyish bravardo and snob at first was highly respectful of his enemys.
Manfred filled his bedroom with moments of his kills. He hung machine guns from his kills on his wall and shreds of fabric. He had a local jeweler make a little silver cup commemorating each and every kill. The collection ended when Germany and his jeweler could no long get silver to fashion the cups. It is hard to say if the baron loved the killing, but he most certainly loved the hunt.
@@stevemccarty6384 Oh he loved the challenge and the hunt aright, very much so. He also turned a rotary engine block into a chandelier. It was later on in the war after he'd seen so much and gained leadership positions that he matured and got a bit more jaded.
A different time when chivalry, honor and pride were number 1 . I always found it interesting that when an enemy pilot was shot down on the other ones side and lived they were treated as brothers with friendship , drinks and respect. Even though war is bloody and ruthless any time, they was a least a little humanity Back then.
I have the utmost respect for pilots, however that does not change the fact that air combat now is not as honorable as it once was, it's not the pilots fault it is simply the way aircombat has evolved unfortunatly.
@@thatoneguy6466 If I remember correctly the first WW1 bombers dropped their bombs by hand. That must have been awkward looking flying a plane and throwing bombs like throwing candy. Then again a lot of the war machines that defined warfare in the coming decades looked akward in WW1. Like the first tanks, massive plodding vehicles with a small village as crew and doves for relaying messages
@@Athrun82 imagine the soldiers who first saw the planes dropping them, you finally broke through the enemy line and took their trench only to see your whole squadron blown to shreds by several hundred pounds of TNT, must have been heartbreaking
@@thatoneguy6466 The aircraft at the piint where hand dropping was the only option were very slow, very fragile. Much more so than the ones shown here for that matter. Rifle fire could put them down fairly easily.
Hm. You do realize this movie isn't *exactly* a primary source for history, right? Judging by your name, I guess you're German, so you know what movies Schweighöfer and Schweiger usually make. Well, to be fair, in the beginning of the Great War, planes weren't armed and used only for recon missions, that was when enemy pilots actually used to wave at each other while passing by. Didn't take long to arm the planes though, turning the into the same bloody battlefield without rules that the ground was
Actually there were some unwritten rules of conduct in fighter battles till middle of the war when serious war of attrition kicked in, but when you consider the fact that all of them flying a piece of wood covered in fabric and absolutely unprotected fuel tanks... heck, in 1917 RAF counted pilot's time of survival at max... 7 DAYS...
TheChuck624 still managed to land his plane before he died though. The red baron wasn't an air acrobat. He was just a really really good shot in a plane.
No one wanted to admit it? The death of Von Richthofen has never been certain, but ground fire is the widely accepted cause. Nobody has ever denied that
That's right. Though Richthofen didn't let his enemies alive. (This belongs to the legend that Germany built upon his life.) When their plane was on the ground, he used to land to make sure they were dead, and if not, he killed them, then he used to cut the number of the plane with his knife, and sent all of them to his mother, so she could hang them in his bedroom. He was raised since he was 11 in a military school, he was taught that a good enemy was a dead enemy. He wasn't named the Red Devil without a good reason. But Germany needed a hero, so this was removed from the story, and he became the Red Baron.
+TheXWitcher He landed to make sure ,in spite of the risks, because he actually cut of the number from the side of the planes, and pictures of those pieces in his room can still be seen by anyone, they are historical memories of the war. Though the Red Baron wasn't stupid, he used to hide in the clouds, and then he brings his ennemy above the german lines, not above the french lines. When , for once, he made a mistake and flew above the french lines, he has been shot down.
1) he admitted himself he wasn't the best pilot,he wasn't even the beast German pilot. He was rated below average during training. 2) what makes him especially 'humane'
There was no Star of David logo painted on any of the fighter planes in the Red Baron's squadron. There was, however, a German Jewish fighter ace, Fritz Beckhardt, who served in the first World War but he chose to have a large Swastika painted on the sides of his fighter plane.
The actor who plays the Red Baron plays and imitates well. This is full control over emotions and professional concentration at work. Especially the eyes and gaze of Manfred von Reithoven during the fight.
@@BFVK Of course, I, you and no one living at the moment did not fly on a military mission with the red Baron. Suppose I'm wrong, but don't forget that you also have no idea what feelings and emotions were on the face of this legendary pilot. My assessment is subjective and mainly based on my personal experience and the experience of people in general. As for the fact that this German actor is a third-class actor, I wonder where you got this point of view from. Or you have a complete picture of his future success or failure in this profession.
@Thurse What is said is said. As I prefer. Let it be as close to the truth as possible. The past to the future passes through the present. Time is running out.
I lived in Germany for 8 years. I have tremendous respect for the German people and I think they are easily the smartest and most humble race in the world.
Don’t know if this is coming from a German or not 😂. But I’d say all of humanity has the same capacity to be the “smart”. Not just a group of people who lives in a patch of land called “Germany”
In war enemy today friend forever especially when your just trying to survive obviously there’s some people don’t deserve this but there are those who do salute to all honorable soldiers
W czasach,gdzie były zasady,ktoś musi patrzeć za siebie ,w słońce ,chmury itp.Kto patrzy ten przeżyje.Tutaj świetna scena,no i muzyka.Film godny polecenia,może komuś przybliży realia wojny ,gdzie samoloty dopiero wykluwały się i fliegery byli pilotami ,ktorzy patrzyli za siebie.Wielu to uratowało życie.
I never saw this move but ones I saw that guy with the glasses I said to myself oh you're important aren't you ... loving the shades to now I have to go play some rise of flight.
A volte in guerra c'erano soldati che avevano regole d'onore e rispetto reciproco verso il nemico,il barone rosso era tra questi,ora in guerra non si ha rispetto per niente e nessuno,vale tutto
Today's breed of fighter pilot have lost that" Knights of the air" mentality that pilots of WW1 and WW2 had. Now it's " get on his 6, get missle-lock, push the trigger, watch your adversary explode in a fireball, go home and call it a day.😞
Someone watched Flyboys too many times! By 1916 the "chivalry" in the air was very very little to none. As for modern air combat I can see you know absolutely nothing.
@@synthwavecat96 Sorry to tell you dude, but there are DOCUMENTED cases of enemy pilots treating each other in a courteous, dignified, manner. Yes, I have watched Flyboys, which in my opinion is 100% Hollywood----100% inaccurate, as usual. With regards to today's " combat pilots" they are passengers, the aircraft does almost everything for them, unlike their counterparts from WWI and WWII whose very life depended on their skills as a pilot. I suggest you talk to a veteran pilot from WWII you might walk away better educated with regards to true aerial combat. Have a nice day😀
@@christianguenther1276 Yeah, I'll go find one of the few existing combat pilots left from WW2 and ask them as a total stranger to tell me about how it really was. Yes there ate documented cases, but were they so commonplace that it was considered frequent? Especially in 1916? No. By mid 1916, deliberately chivalrous acts were a rarity, not abundant. This is my most researched war of all. I know what I'm talking about.
Am I the only one who finds the cleanliness of it all a bit annoying? Old rotary engines should be spraying castor oil and other lubricants everywhere, the pilots faces would be grimed and soot-stained. Admittedly, it's also noice to have a World War One movie that doesn't believe in covering everyone with mud, but for crying out loud at least put a speck on one of the uniforms.
BioActiveScout 629 Oh, no; I understand that nearly all of it will be computer generated. MY point is that they could have taken the effort to make it seem slightly more realistic.
True. Same with Flyboys ! And the other thing that irks me is the final scene in the movie. And the fact that he pushes the controls forward when he fires....
+VelmiVelkiZrut well actually in some lator scenes in the movie the pilots at least show a hint of dirt/oil on their faces after landing but e agree. still its cool they even animated the zylinders moving on the engine block. plus war never is as clean as in movies...
I salute the Red Baron but, come on, we all know Werner Voss was the better pilot! He did things with an aero craft they didn't know could be done. Bless all of them, they did what they had to do.
Werner was indeed a better pilot, a lot of experts also agree that Von Richthofen wasn't the best pilot. He was good but not the best, the thing Von Richthofen had going for him that he was the best shot. Where Werner Voss could've missed an enemy Richthofen would have shot him down.
Iron Duke Hoy Iron Duke, that does make sense, Thank you for reminding me of that, Incredible men of their time. With much respect for them and depending which side you claim, It's a good thing they died in WW1. Imagine how effective they would have been in WW2! Thank God Herman Goring that flew with them who later took over the Luftw in WW2 was a complete idiot. Thank you again Iron Duke. I love WW1 Aviation.
+the10thleper your welcome mate, I also like how Von Richthofen in this movie said: "we are sportsmen not butchers." It quite fits the idea. They weren't enemies they were just opponents in a game of live and death.
Amazing! Imagine how hard it is with WW1-era technology and intel to time their arrival over the funeral service at the exact moment when a salute is about to be fired? AND on top of that to be able to drop a wreath (a fairly light object that is easily moved by wind, the rush of air etc., mind you) by hand and without any automatic aids whatsoever, from a fast-moving aircraft, so that it just perfectly lands righ in the grave? That is simply superhuman!!!
Not a lot of ppl know this but the Red Baron failed his flight test he was a bad pilot but he kept trying and he turned into an ace 82 or so confirmed kills RIP I would of wished u fought during ww11 to see how good you would developed love from Spain close allies with Germany during ww11
@@synthwavecat96 It's still taught, regardless if its used. And I firmly believe it will be used again one day. Eventually missiles and countermeasures will only advance just so far before they cancel each other out.
This is very similar to what happened in WW2 when Italian aviator and fascist Italo Balbo's plane was shot down by friendly fire in Africa. During his funeral a British spitfire flew over the Italian camp and dropped a wreath with the words "The Royal Air Force express their sincere mourning for the death of Marshall Balbo, a great leader and valiant aviator that fate placed in opposing field"
Yes, you have to remember there were no inflight movies back then. People did this. Some carried little teddy bears, other photos of loved ones, small musical instruments, and more. It may be your last moments, you may want to enjoy something.
