@@YOUHUOUGGHHH Hes has all the right to complain bro. You can farm echoes forever sure, but what will you use to upgrade them when you have no tuners or echo xp?
@@prob9800 no he should be grateful with what we have. Kurogames already given us so much yet he is so ungrateful and asking for more. Also tuners and echo xp can be easily obtained if you just use your brain and stop mint picking😂
Finally people admit it I remember people said oh wuwa relic system is better than HOYOVERSE 😂😂😂 But at least it doesn't need crazy exp relic and not to mentioned you need to tune them and at the same time 16 substats is coming for double crit stats, energy,atk% and DMG boost... insane layer of RNG and grinding
Yea, it's worst here in wuwa. If you had bad rolls in hsr/genshin, it doesn't feel that bad.. you can always wait for the stamina refreshes. If you had bad luck in wuwa, you feel more frustrated because you actually invested hours everyday to farm main stats, just to get bad rolls in the end. Alongside your manual farm, you still have to wait for stamina refreshes for the exp drops lol. That's twice the frustration. Whoever thinks wuwa have better system are delulu. 😅
The idea of echos is brilliant, and miles better than what is basically glorified jewelry in hoyo games, but ngl, the amount of substats and time investments does drag it down by a lot T __ T...
The materials needed to upgrade a single echo into 25 is so crazily high, glad they're at least lowering the mora requirements, hope they will refund one million like before
After 11 days, i almost 100% all areas. Now like Genshin, Log in + Dalies + Burn Waveplates then log out. 10 mins and all done.😓 I hope V1.1 will come soon.
sad right? atleast in genshin 1.0 it took me a month to do 5 min gameplay a day. in wuwa? low quality in everything. the only good in this game is the combat and the freebies. but after all thats exhausted? you will realize how HSR and Genshin gave more free stuff lol
@@WhaleKill3r how is it our problem when we just play the game the way it is to be played. Stop defending, it needs to improve, they suppose to do better than any lther gacha out there not do the same
@@reedsad4652 if you play 10+ hours everyday of course you finish faster than they can push out updates, how about you get a job and go to the gym, improve yourself a little bit instead of this entitlement bs.
This is why im not farming tacit fields or tryharding echos until 1.1. Yinlin is fine on a 4/4/1/1/1 for now and i can work on 3 costs after the fact when tuners are more available
Yeah its pain rn because the gold tuners run out quick and the same goes for echo xp so pretty much the only way to get them is through tacet fields which is also expensive since 60 energy is wasted
Got my first golden echo with the correct main stat. And the first three rolls are literally flat hp atk and def. Like wtf, after all of that all i did was just laugh on how absurd that that luck is. 😂
After realizing this brutal system.. i just planned to build my characters.. accordingly. I have calcharo, verina and mortefi as my main focus right now. Bit by bit. Hell. I even do some of the 4 stars rarity to compromise the rarity of the 5 stars tuner. The rest can wait. They are now good enough to handle a boss at lv 65 while they are in lv 60 Indeed a challenging situation.
If we can target stats for echos like in star rail it’d be perfect. I’m union 40 and tuners aren’t the issue but goddamn getting a fusion set 3 cost that doesn’t give fusion dmg bonus alongside a none crit rate inferno rider has got to be 3 steps away from becoming a psychological torture simulation
honestly min max in this game isnt even required. the hardest content in this game requires skill over damage check. if you get lucky then nice but don't destroy yourself over it.
Now you know how it is to be the rest of us 😂 never rolled a single good one in any of these games. Always HP & defence and then crit for characters that dont crit ☠️
It's not stop complaining and expecting to build full 3 teams in first pach of the game genshin takes solid 1~2 months of farming hsr takes same time both for 1 character
Sort of, although I feel like in Genshin they just consolidated all of this into 1 shitty domain system, whereas WuWa is like 3 different sets of terrible systems that all take more time (echo farming, boss farming, tacet field farming) to eventually achieve the same shit outcome anyway. Extra steps but no extra reward.
Bro what, respectfully that is a super negative take. Overworld echo farming is optional, if you want to treat it like Genshin and just do tacet fields that's totally ok. We should be glad we have stamina free farming in the first place. Do you not want to actually play the game and experience combat? I mean do you just want to 'press F to collect reward' from an autoplay farming session? Perhaps HSR is more to your taste? I like Mtashed but these clip titles are just rage bait, plain as (and I commented so it worked lol). In Genshin or Honkai with bad luck he would've just gotten the same shitty substats. I agree with @_an1s_ here. I personally like the tuning system a lot because I get burned out quickly if I am forced to look and compare stats every time I get an artifact/relic/echo. Now you can quickly filter and lock the (potentially) good ones and deal with it later if you want.
@@Neuutralized lets compare 40 flat to 10% atk, you need over 400 base atk to beat 40 flat, and at lvl 70 we have a little over 300. we're still early into the game so im gonna assume atk% beats low end flat atk at lvl 80-90 maybe (but we can also roll for higher flat atk). Now im not really sure if the weapon atk also counts as base atk booster, but if it does then that changes things also, this is one thing i have yet to test.
Like the worst part about it currently is u get almost NO tuners from tacet fields and the EXP u get is so low...........getting the right main stat and set isnt as hard as getting tuners though
Bro I can't wait for version 1.1. For me it marks the real beginning of wuwa. Until now we've just been repeating what was in cbt2 but in 1.1 there will be new areas, characters that have never appeared before, new mechanics and many other changes and improvements
Echo farming is a lot more time consuming in Wuwa than Genshin. Yeah, you can get echoes for free but you still need the leveling up and tuners, so it’s not like you get to equip your characters for free. I would rather just have the Genshin system. It’s annoying but takes way less time.
You guy are just dumb max all echos for your character even its bad it help you clear the tower lmao. Roll 1 substat then dont use that echos is waste for early game
Tbh getting gated on leveling it up is a way lesser evil than getting gated with the artifact itself tbh or just straight up not being able to get the main substat
@@thebrigade7684 you are deceiving yourself, because the artifact also has a basic stat that you can not lvling according to your analogy. The same d*ck but in the other hand)
Wuwa does slow to a Halt on my Laptop though it runs decently a decent amount of time, but I was surprised It even launched because I am running the Game on a Kepler GPU (and that Architecture hasn't had their Drivers updated from Nvidia since 2021).
Wait until you try to farm the damn ice turtle for a healing set and get a healing% in the main one, I legit think that the rng is broken on that thing
The amount of Inferno Riders who would be perfect for my Mortefi and Chixia but have that one HP or Def stat makes me wanna do skydiving without parachute 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@YOUHUOUGGHHH WuWa provided many major improvements that players wanted from Genshin but the similarities are there from the 3 times farm of world bosses to the grind for good stats in the echoes(artifacts).
@@YOUHUOUGGHHH I does no matter who invented what, but Genshin's success and popularity caused also many other games to emulate it the same way. My original comment simply stated that WuWa included the flats sub-stats (hp,def,atk) that nobody wants the same way as Genshin. If hearing WuWa vs Genshin comparisons bother you, that's not my problem.
@@YOUHUOUGGHHHthis hell no rng is rng. Who would want to play a game where you can perfect anything fast it would die fast. Gatchas feed gamblers their addiction
@@beasthaven1571 even if you think the ring is bad the gameplay carries the game, no one cares about getting perfect set anyways. "Game is going to die" typical genshill doomposting
@@YOUHUOUGGHHH first time i encounter someone who enjoys gear fkrу M8 should get a job + touch some grass rn fr I drop gachas just cuz of how annoying this shjt is even if i enjoy some other aspects
The good thing about Echos? The idea of expanding on the basic artifact system, by making them into semi-playable characters, is a GOOOOOOOOLDEN idea! That makes WUWA stand out among other gachas! The bad thing about Echos? There are SO 👏 GOD 👏 DAMN👏 MANY👏 SUBSTATS!!! Getting a truly decent echo will be tough, although managable, but if you have high standards for your echos, or are desperate to get a "God-piece" pfff, good luck with that.
I am farming (pre farming because 100%) Clorindes artifact set for a month all day every day for now i got 2 usable pieces (far from BIS!) 95% of the drop is HP & DEF maybe even more!
would it wise to just tune it once until u see a crit sub stat and then tune it again to get another crit stat and then roll it max to see the result because idk how to tune my echoes the right way even tho im trying to make my characters as strong as they can be
Yeah mtashed is so dumb. Like it's the 3 cost echos why tf would he only tune once then cry, I got many trash 1st substats 3 cost echo yet they rolled godly for the 4 others.
We are given like 4 or more 3 star selectors already if you don't farm echoes enough. Plus you can just level them up for main stat and then fodder later. It's not like you need it right now anyway. Enjoy the game bruh. Next patch gonna have better QOL for echoes too
Instant gratification culture is so tiresome. You didn’t have crazy gear in HSR at this point in its release either. Your gear is way more than good enough to do content 20 levels above your characters. It’s easy to get gear capable of doing that. Being mad you can’t min/max after a few weeks of launch is flat out stupid. You can infinitely farm 44111 until you get element echoes over time, and it’s still clearing content 20 levels higher. This complaint is just obnoxious. It’s a gacha game. Min/maxxing comes over time. Every other gacha game is like that. I still don’t have a great ornament set for Acheron. It’s part of the genre. It does not matter.
Disagree. You still have limited leveling and tuning materials. At least with Genshin you only have to farm artifacts and the leveling up materials are plentiful.
A) no off-piece, B) you need two of the hardest RNG pieces (3-cost elemental DMG% echoes), C) 2+2 is significantly worse than completing the set bonus. Yeah, enjoy wasting hours of your life grinding away at a non-guaranteed drop. Both systems suck, but WuWa demands significantly more of your time. How great.
@@shashay1344 even with the limited materials you still able to get infinite amount of them. You can’t in genshin and that’s a fact. You can farm artifacts that may or not give you the stats you want yea. And when the resin is empty you have to wait until it refills again to do the same thing over again. Bro I’ve been playing Genshin since day fucking one and I still do. It you can’t say it’s better then genshin crap artifact system. I’ve been farming artifacts for Arclecchino for over a week now because it never drops any good ones. With this game I can play how much I want whenever I want to farm any echoes with main stats I want. Sure th e sub stats are a damn roulette but so is genshin. But that’s also with main stats. So no Wuwas system is miles better imo.
Kuro might address this problem in due time if it becomes a prevalent issue towards people's enjoyment of the game. Probably just need to bring it up enough to get their attention regarding it. But I will say, you can use one of the coral types you get from rolling to buy purple tuners and exp in the store menu. Also, the gift shop you trade relics (think exploration currency) at sells tuners and exp. Using 40 waveplates at Yhan to do simulation can also get you echo exp.
