The Resurrection of Jesus and Other Fables? 

I went through that after I left Christianity - intense fear of hell. I faced it at the time, because I realized I'd rather be tortured than worship a cruel person for eternity. Worshiping a cruel person for eternity would in itself be hell - that's what I eventually realized. I don't worry about it anymore, because it seems so much less likely that there's an omnipotent but heartless God than some kind of loving God (with limitations) or no God at all.

Destined to hell is scare tactic. Either you buy it or not. It is expensive to believe it.

@@Cat_Woods also, it's a nice catch as everyone will go to a hell according to relegion. Christians to a Muslim hell, Muslims to a Christian hell, and all the, others, non believers and Atheists to either or of the two above, once I gained a clear free head from relegion, the whole hell concept seemed so ridiculous to me, here I am, someone who loves eating prawns and has probably worn fabrics of mixed clothing, and for that alone I'm going to have to die, my body is going to rot, then magically come together again, only to be burned alive repeatedly for eternity for doing it.

If you are following the mythicists that is where you will end up.. Dont just take one side sift the evidence.YOU havent done your job well

@@ptk8451 that is an assumption on your part that only one side of the evidence has been considered. YOU are just plain silly.

"Free your mind, and your ass will follow."- En Vogue. "I'm trying to free your mind."-Morpheus.

it started a long time ago my friend, that it could happen brings me a lot of joy

sadly not, there is no mind so closed as that of a religiously addicted.

Freedom is relative.

​@Tony Cook it's encoded in the religious propaganda machine. literal cult behavior.

The Christian cults will get smaller, dumber, and angrier. Like the pagans did as urban people took up a relatively smarter military religion.

@عدالت_حقیقت_وحدت "U've got so much things to say right now"..... BUT UP and Down. If it's actually UP in heaven ....then the birds of the sky will get there first or otherwise when it's DOWN .....the fishes of the sea will get there first too.

I've just bought hers too - thanks for mentioning

Keen insights? Intellectual honesty? How little you realize how self-blinded and naive you show yourself to be, how much your and his quality of due diligence and resulting self-inflicted blindness is showing, what a price you'll both pay for it, if you don't undo that blindness before it's too late, by: 1. improving your quality of due diligence on the most unmistakable evidence of God's existence, and... 2. discovering the Bible's actual origin of Christianity, which is neither the NT nor the usual messianic prophecies, believe it or not If you and Miller had truly done quality due diligence, you'd know that the gospel, Christianity, God's only-possible solution to sin and its resulting evil, is all laid out in rich, detailed, symbolic object lessons in the sanctuary service, believe or not. And no amount of fictionalizing and criticizing the NT by Miller or any other "scholar" is going to change that, I'm afraid.

@@AighEnoughAlready , I agree. Be a contrarian to generate attention and sell a book. It does not mean he is right or wrong. My question is “Did disciple Mark had a master’s and doctoral degrees to research the Greco- Roman culture before he wrote “The Gospel According to Mark”?

@@teresatanyag8237 Teresa, believe it or not, he didn't need to research that culture. It was all fresh in his memory. And what wasn't, the Holy Spirit refreshed. By the way, you do know that these biased scholars' late dating of the Gospels is not due to evidence, but instead to their materialistic bias, right, their disbelief in prophecy, since they speak of the destruction of Jerusalem, due to their neglect to do quality due diligence on the most unmistakable evidence of God's existence? The truth is, they were written only a decade or two after Jesus returned to Heaven, which means that they're reliable eye witness testimony. And like I said, you don't realize how embarrassingly naive these scholars are, thinking that the Gospels and epistles are the Bible's origin of Christianity. They're not, nor are the usual messianic prophecies. The sanctuary service is the actual origin. It's true. Every element of God's eternal and only possible solution to sin and its resulting evil is all laid out in richly-detailed object lessons in the sanctuary service, believe it or not. I encourage you to improve your quality of due diligence, before it's too late.

@@teresatanyag8237 Yes, he knew Greco-Roman culture very well bc he was immersed in it, probably bc he lived in an area that was Greek or Roman/Greco-Roman, but more importantly we know he knew Greek culture, in particular, from the simple fact that the anonymous author of Mark wrote in Greek.

It's because of these academic printing houses. They charge an arm and a leg and the author is lucky to get 2 or 3 percent of the profits (royalties).

@@edwardmiessner6502 That is such a shame!

Academic world gatekeeping.

I sympathize with this. I think the softcover, which Derek has in the interview is perhaps $50. If that is still out of reach, then in the course of the coming interviews, you’ll get some of the content (for free so to speak).

After spending that money you become wiser. You then learn it’s all about money rather than “your” knowledge

It is not cheap. You may want to try Dr. Robyn Faith Walsh's book on the origins of the early writing. She leans on Dr. Miller's work a lot... and her book is cheaper.

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@Lords I'm so glad you're here. Keep watching MythVision videos.

@Lords are you sure?

@Lords i also help grateful person ..not only the god...same activity ..👌

So ac ording to youthe only people who have a clue about the origins of Christianity are the ones who dont believe

Anecdotal evidence at best lol jk

If you were there, man, your memory might be suspect. Unless you were one of the straights, man.

Right on

I dig it man!

What did he say that explains anything?

@@1Whipperin Not unlike the legend about George Washington and the cherry tree more recently, it was a part of the ancient hellenistic culture to craft legendary - and in their case divinizing stories - to honor significant figures. Scholars can already explain HOW the Gospel authors crafted them as biblical literature in great detail. This placing of them in their broader greek/hellenistic context helps more fully answer the question WHY they first did it.

@@djwilkins7 Was that in the talk?

@@1Whipperin I think the simplest answer is that the Christian story has many parallels with cultural and religious ideas that were prevalent in Hellenistic culture and when you take note of them there is a certain resonance that has to make you consider if they influenced the gospel writers and to what extent. After all the gospels were written in Greek and Hellenistic culture dominated at that time in that part of the world. You would probably need to listen to further discussions of the issue in order to arrive at the belief that the idea has some merit.

@@anthonyatkinson7619 Yes, they seemed to be beating around the bush.

Cultural revolution is the big answer as to WHY. Using common cultural tropes subversively.

​@@ryngrd1 History is filled with lies that spread like wildfire, especially when governments cosigned them. Not a great argument

​@@ryngrd1 Islam spread across the earth and that shit is whack

@@ryngrd1 In other words, if enough people believe something, it must be true?

@@ryngrd1 Nice try.

​@@ryngrd1 it didn't spread through love, it was spread via fear and cultural genocide, it's evil

An excellent counter argument to mythisim

I agree Jesus did not fit the bill. (Whatever that means.) We all know we can't have random people who "don't fit the bill" tellin' us what to do, indeed. He may not have fit the bill but he's the only doorway to heaven. WHOEVER HAS NOT THE SON SHALL NEVER SEE LIFE, for God's wrath REMAINS UPON HIM. What does that mean?

@@Frank-ky8bk It doesn't mean anything. Sounds like you are repeating cult jargon with the emotional conviction of a ardent cult devotee.

Christianity is older than the talmud.

If you were devastated when you found out that there was no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, then the appropriate conclusion would be that you're a person most easily devastated regardless of whatever else might be true or false. As such, you have no business engaging in the search for truth because you might not survive the journey

Even if God exists, he need not behave like a human to favour believers and show displeasure over non believers, regardless of their righteousness. Can a good CEO be displeased with you and disregard your talents just because you do not know his name? If God only favour believers regardless of their righteousness, then he needs to have an egoistic and nepotic character like worldly tyrants and corrupt politicians. The idea that one can go heaven without cultivating himself to higher spiritual standard is as silly as cramming unrefined squatters into premium residential estate and still expect it to remain a premium property. Anyone claiming their religion is the only true religion needs to first prove that only their believers were continuously blessed by God since antiquity. Cheers. Modern research on Near Death Experience by Raymond moody, reincarnation memories by Ian Stevenson/Jim trucker and past lives regression by Brian Weiss all independently but coincidentally show that our consciousness survive death, we live many lives and our thoughts and actions matter in the hereafter. So be kind and helpful to others, be virtuous, meditate and cultivate ourselves to higher spiritual levels. Cheers.

If people realize Hell is a myth, EVERYTHING changes.

Yep, well said. Paul was the Joseph Smith of his time and the gospel writers the Brigham Youngs (and other 'profits' (spelling intended)) who popularized christianity amongst the Greco-gentile culture of the time.

@@onedaya_martian1238 pretty much! We have no more proof that Jesus actually did appear to Paul than we have that Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith!

@@waderogers well there's plenty of negative proof. People don't "appear" wtf does that even mean?

Contradictions make it human and therefore more believable. If you had a car accident and there were four witnesses you would have four different accounts of what happened

Did Paul referred to them as Gospels? Why you guys called them Gospels in the first place if as reported the original manuscripts are anonymous?

​@EXISTENCE1891 So god let people write contradictions in a book that's apparently the be all and end all of the creation and civilization of mankind, which means a lot of rational people don't believe, which means they apparently go to hell eternal torture 😂 god done that. What a legend.

@@EXISTENCE1891 In that case don't call them the WORD OF GOD... They are Testimonials and just in the Court of Law, what is expected from a witness is not an inspired testimony but a credible one.

You paid $55 for a paperback? Was it worth it?

It cost $287 where i live . Nope

That’s so interesting!! Thank you!! I’ll learn more about that too!!

​@@mgbilby you are absolutely right 100%.

I think what people are not understanding is that, The religion Christianity is false, not the letters are the people who wrote them. People do not understand that the writers of the bible never taught Christianity. People have misinterpreted what the men were saying and invented the religion Christianity. 2 peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction. If you look at Christianity, you will notice that they do the total opposite of the Christ did. Everything the opposite of what he taught. They take Paul's writings and misunderstand them and have mad whole doctrines out of verses that they have misunderstood of Paul.

No one here has really addressed my question: Dr. Miller (seems to be) saying the early church embraced and acknowledged myth. Then why are the authors of Luke and 2 Peter distancing the Christian narrative from myth?

@@LearnwithGern2025 because he has not read the books for himself. He only probably read them with an agenda

@@LearnwithGern2025 there are authors we know about like celsus, and porphry who say this is based on greek, and roman myths. Justin Martyr also addresses this. One thing i would point out about your comment is you probably have a view of the Christian story. By 100 CE there are multiple Christian stories floating around. If you are a Christian today your story comes from a story floating around at this time. So if you are the author of Luke/Acts, or 2 Peter you are living in around 100 CE. That's 70 years or almost three generations since the crucifixion. Christianity has evolved at this point beyond being a mystery cult type religion to be a religion with a decent following. You might have been born as a Christian. We also know that theists tend to have cognitive dissonance, and frequently deploy very motivated reasoning. So if i go up to you in say corinth 115 CE. Then say hey man that emperor cult stuff is totally based on earlier myths, and is nonsense You would go ya for sure. But if i said Jesus rising from the dead, the empty tomb, and him ascending to heaven is also you would say no I don't understand. The reason why the author of second peter is probably writing that is people are saying these are myths. No theist would apply the standards they apply to other religions to their own religion. When you do you regularly arrive at the conclusion this is an ancient myth. The author of Luke although he does say he is trying to tell an accurate story really just gives us an edited version of Mark. Acts certainly is not historical in nature. It is apologetic in nature, and attempts to rewrite the story of Paul.

Yes yes yes yes yes

Exactly what I was thinking!! 👏👏👏

These are the nuances that most Christians will never hear, or rather will never WANT to hear. I admire anyone who admits that they want to know the truth point blank and even if it means having to say that Christianity simply is not rational or believable. I’m sure that the majority of us Myth Visioners have lost friends and relatives over this topic . I know that I have been kicked to the curb a few times and it’s sad to think that people will only love you if you’re in their flock ✝️✡️☪️ 🐑🐑🐑

@@kimberlywallace6148 learn about budhism you will have different view..😂

@@nawatime_titha Why would I have a different view? I’ve studied Buddhism, so what?

Jesus Christ is existing in heaven and he KNOWS that the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected by all human beings as the Most High and Sovereign God as written in the Bible, in Matthew 22: 37 and 38. Atheists are existing on earth and they KNOW that they rejected - 1. the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as their God and Heavenly Father 2. the Bible as worthless and useless, not the Word of God and source of TRUTHS but just a book of lies, deceits, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales The Creator is existing in heaven and he KNOWS that he authorized and sent Jesus Christ from heaven to earth thousands of years ago to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings JWs, Born Again Christians, Catholics, Mormons, SDAs, Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and fanatics of all Religions are existing on earth and they KNOW that they rejected - 1. Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth 2. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence Who will be favored and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth? ANSWER - Jesus Christ KNOWS that all lowly, ordinary, and submissive human beings who submit to his authority as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth as written in Matthew 28: 18 and believe his Good News about the "Kingdom of God" as written in Luke 4: 43 are the loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who are definitely bringing upon themselves the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths as written in Revelation 21: 3 and 4. How will loving, kind, and respectful human beings live and exist on earth forever if they just get sick, get weak, die, and turn into worthless and useless dusts on earth? ANSWER - The Creator KNOWS that all human beings including Atheists and fanatics of Religions will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, but KNOWS too that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless dusts on earth forever after their deaths, instead in the right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25 and 26, Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life together with loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Naomi, Ruth, King David, the Christ's early disciples, and many others so that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

Very decent response from two types of deeming so, but do tell me please, what is the original Word? Why do we call God the summoning of water? Jesus told the devil, He would return in season to the hill, why not during the hot season, cold season or the dry season and why the hill, what would have been the reason for the hill?

May want to add DM Murdock aka Acharya S

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​@@jaflenbond7854 I know that I reject your nonsensical rant.

Hmm I round it very strange that the "learned" Doc Miller wanted the same wisdom as Solomon. Apparently the Doc and perhaps yourself did not realize Solomon's end. It was a tragedy.

@@MikeBTek That explains my life perfectly. Thank you.

There is no meaning for the resurrection. It didn't happen. Even in the lore it doesn't make sense. In the story, the Jesus character "dies" for human's sins, but he doesn't die. He comes back. So the sins should have come back. It's a poorly written story. Funny that some people believe it really happened and that it has a meaning.

@@jaredwoodhouse1263 The sins never went anywhere, only the penalty for the sins have been paid. Believers who accept Jesus continue to fail in some way, that is sin, but the penalty of death has already been paid.

​@@MikeBTek If that is True, I see why Dennis Rader went to Church.

Bruce, I cannot find the book you recommend anywhere. Suggestions?

@@chrisgrayling7584 I am sorry Chris. I replied to this earlier but the comment was lost or something. It's my fault why u can't find the book. The actual title is SUNS OF GOD by DM Murdock/ Acharya S. She has passed and I was afraid the book was out of print but it's not. Good luck!👍

@@bruscifer Hey Bruce, thanks for the follow up! I found a bunch of books by DM Murdock. Suns of God looks like a joint venture of Arachya. and Perry. Which one should I buy first?! Thanks again, Bruce.

@@chrisgrayling7584 I have several of her books and have enjoyed all of them. I suppose it depends on what subjects you find the most interesting, but I'd say SUNS OF GOD was my favorite personally. 👍

@@bruscifer I just discovered that Acharya S and DM Murdock are the same person, just different pen names.

Wow 😊 I want to thank you for sharing your story. You seem like a fascinating person :)

It’s almost as though everyone simply believes whatever makes them feel comfortable as though that were the arbiter of absolute truth.

Even if God exists, he need not behave like a human to favour believers and show displeasure over non believers, regardless of their righteousness. Can a good CEO be displeased with you and disregard your talents just because you do not know his name? If God only favour believers regardless of their righteousness, then he needs to have an egoistic and nepotic character like worldly tyrants and corrupt politicians. The idea that one can go heaven without cultivating himself to higher spiritual standard is as silly as cramming unrefined squatters into premium residential estate and still expect it to remain a premium property. Anyone claiming their religion is the only true religion needs to first prove that only their believers were continuously blessed by God since antiquity. Cheers. Modern research on Near Death Experience by Raymond moody, reincarnation memories by Ian Stevenson/Jim trucker and past lives regression by Brian Weiss all independently but coincidentally show that our consciousness survive death, we live many lives and our thoughts and actions matter in the hereafter. So be kind and helpful to others, be virtuous, meditate and cultivate ourselves to higher spiritual levels. Cheers.

@R Boland not all, but most. You're gonna be hard pressed to find many that are not egoists. I battle everyday with being an egoist, and as someone who experiences occasional breakthroughs of charity toward my fellow man, i know the difference in my own experience between being an egoist and being a image bearer. You can tell very quickly just based on the way people communicate, and what they communicate about.

I think that’s because there is not a central thesis. This is nothing new - their work is not revolutionary. Their point is that the resurrection story has been fabricated from different stories (mainly Greek mythology) from antiquity. But what they don’t seem to answer is who influenced whom? Were those Greek stories influenced by the Old Testament scriptures? Or was it the other way around? If there was always fascination in the Greek world with Judaism and its writings (just like some mentioned above) then is it not hard to imagine how those Greek myths could have also drawn influence from Jewish prophesy? These guys are talking in circles; I want them to specifically target points in the resurrection story and tackle them with claims, evidence, and logically consistent interpretations. Right now, all they’re saying is that the story in the Bible (which I believe is truth) is similar to other stories. So what?

Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, all Religious Fanaticism are worthless, useless, and will cease to exist. All lowly, ordinary, and submissive persons on earth KNOW that the Creator is the One who should be honored, respected, and obeyed by all human beings as the Most High and Sovereign God as written in Matthew 22: 37. The Creator KNOWS that all lowly, ordinary, and submissive persons on earth - 1. rejected all the teachings and doctrines of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", "heaven and hellfire", and "reincarnation" as worthless and useless, nothing but lies and deceptions of the enemies of Jesus Christ as mentioned in 1 John 2: 22 ; 4: 2 and 3. 2. submit to the authority of his Christ as his Chosen and Anointed King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth 3. welcome and accept the Good News of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" Jesus Christ KNOWS that all lowly, ordinary, and submissive human beings who submit to his authority as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth as written in Matthew 28: 18 and believe his Good News about the "Kingdom of God" as written in Luke 4: 43 are the loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who are definitely bringing upon themselves the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths as written in Revelation 21: 3 and 4. The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, but his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers and believers of his Christ will not remain as worthless dusts on earth forever after their deaths, instead as written in John 11: 25 and 26, Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life together with loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Naomi, Ruth, King David, the Christ's early disciples, and many others so that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

The Greek Gods are actually ancient Hindhu Gods whose names have been changed to Greek even the ancient Egyptians did the same thing

@@sereanaduwai8313 yes Dayus, equals Zeus, and for the Romans its, Jupiter. Thunder gods and weather gods. Thor, Indra, Seth, Zephyrus, a lot date back to The Iron Age, and of course, Yahweh another thunder and war deity for the Jews, yes mythology is fascinating.

And so Let mythology ve mythology and history be history

@@ptk8451 Would you care to illuminate on that statement, it's somewhat confusing as Mythology is part of an historical narrative.

I have and read that book. Jesus is a Gentle Zealot

@@dianelawrence1087 If you meant gentle, not gentile, then he was not gentle when he went on a rampage in the Temple during Passover...overturning the tables of the money changers, and those selling sacrificial animals (which, by the way, if you read the book, was allowed in the Court of the Gentiles). He was not railing against them so much as the rapacious priesthood who skimmed money from the sellers/changers. They were whom Yeshua referred to as making the Temple "a den of thieves." Also, when it was almost time for him to be arrested, he told his disciples to buy swords (sell your cloak and buy one). Also, Yeshua said "I have not come to bring peace, bu the sword." But that may be a reference to following him as splitting a famly. I'm no expert.

Hi, Prometheus

@@rocioaguilera3555 Hello!

Except the timeline of that claim doesn’t work out. First issue being the official canonization happened after the death of Constantine. And there were multiple earlier canonical movements. The most important was Irenaeus declaring the four gospels. Which was around 200 AD much earlier than Constantine. The selection of the gospels were for multiple reasons, but primarily to end the Gnostic movements. This was about bishop authority not Roman state authority.

God who is Love sacrificed Himself; that is the key. The truth will not be found by the limited capacity of the human brain/consciousness. Intellectualism will not get anyone to the Truth. I don't find any answers here only discrediting and I don't find that to be any primary contribution to humanity.

@@matthewkopp2391 Yes, you raise some very good points, which in my brief comment did not cover. In the absence of Jesus and His successor, Peter; His teachings devolved into religion. Whereas Jesus apparently taught the sovereignty of the individual in relation to God to His immediate followers; priesthoods formed into a hierarchies of religious authority to control the beliefs of the masses. Any believers who did not acquiesce to their authority were deemed to be heretical. The anathematization of Origen, is a good example. The convening of the Council of Nicaea was dated 325 AD and it seems that the church leaders were complicit with Constantine.

@@minnaraitinpaa6834 still that does not address the issue with a blood sacrifice as payment for sins. So what if God sacrificed himself? The idea that a sacrifice would be the solution to the problem of original sin is barbaric and unconscionable as stated in above. You simply are just re-wording the same outcome in hopes it will somehow be acceptable.

@@ThePinsa42 Human sacrifice including child sacrifice has been part of human culture from early on. God clearly doesn't accept it. Deuteronomy 12:31 He said, "You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods." (just one example of many passages) Jesus was a willing sacrifice and also knew that He would resurrect. The whole O.T. is about Jesus. For example the story of Abraham taking his son to be sacrificed where it is clearly stated that God will provide Himself a lamb for a burnt offering.

It's not like he could just go back to living his life AFTER the government unsuccessfully executed him. He would have to skip town and later meet up with his homies on the down-low.

My father, a battlefield surgeon during WWII pacific theater, saw “dead” men (those they triaged as dead with a stethoscope) would “resurrect” a day later when their wound clotted. Not uncommon he said. He always had his soldiers bring back the wounded/dead for this reason.

@@pheresy1367 it's possible he took off for parts unknown and ended up in the western Himalayan foothills---search for Jesus in the Kashmir. There's a sepulchre there that allegedly shows someone within with nail wounds in his feet.

@@pheresy1367 Which is why he didn't hang around Jerusalem, but skedaddled back home, and then ascended from there. Ascended the mountains east of Galilee on his way to India, that is.

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Perhaps they'd already discussed his book in factual detail in an earlier video. Or perhaps they are expecting the audience to have already read the book Before they hear the discussion. but I too, a Christian, wish this was a bit more tangible and information packed for people unfamiliar with his work. A little frustrating

If not then the universe magically created itself out of nothing ?

@@noneofyourbusinessna740 There has never been a single substantiated case of the supernatural. Your sky fairy if he/she/it was to exist would absolutely be supernatural. This is a known fact, no belief required.

​@none of your business na 😅 show me nothing.

You have no knowledge of spirit! Your a bruit beast made to be destroyed so your opinion matters not!

And these grown people indoctrinate the not so grown people…dogma is a virus, it spreads.

Thank you, ImakeAtheSound. I have reached out to those running GoodReads, per your recommendation. Thanks again.

Why would Homer just make it up?

The broader practice/trend of honoring figures with "translation fables" in Greek/Roman antiquity is not so different from Minister Mason Locke Weems invention of the Cherry Tree myth for his George Washington biography. He made it up to express something "true" about George Washington's character/virtue. Also not so unlike Jesus' own parables, the truth communicated was the important part (not the literal truth of the story details). In the Greek/Roman "translation fables" case, virtue/character was also a meaningful factor in who would be honored with the mythic treatment of becoming immortal/divine in the eyes of the people.

Actually, LOTR is a bit of a late-comer onto the fantasy scene. Lord Dunsany, Robert E Howard, HP Lovecraft, Edgar R Burroughs... all wrote before Tolkien. John Carter battled on Mars in 1912 and Conan the Barbarian made his first appearance in Weird Tales in 1932. Lord of the Rings was published in 1954.

@@aelfredrex8354 Those were all precursors, only in the sense that they were speculative fiction and had fantastic elements, but the elements of modern fantasy comes from Tolkien. Sword and sorcery, different species, magical objects, dualistic good vs evil, questing, concern with royal dynasty and succession, etc. Some of the authors you mentioned were precursors to other genres too, especially ERB who helped create the super hero genre (as did Howard), but fantasy as wizards and elves and magic rings is all Tolkien. or to put it another way, there are no CREATORS in the fantasy genre who have never heard of LOTR.

@@aelfredrex8354 And LOTR was the most dull of any as well. All was action play yet Zero character development. The movie was better yet to me still dull. I could barely sit thru it for the same reason. I want motivations.

@@aelfredrex8354 william morris is often credited with beginning the modern fantasy genre with his books published in the late 1880s

@@aelfredrex8354 'The Hobbit' was published 1937. Tolkein's secondary world was a long time a-borning before it saw print.

​@fanabudrogh9241 I left Christianity as the bible is unreliable as it contains too many unfufilled prophecies, self contradictions and atrocities. Here's a sample. 1) End time Jesus said some of those standing with him shall not !see death till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom Matt 16:28 Jesus said this generation shall not pass away till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away Luke 21:32-33 2) Temptation God does not tempt man James 1:13 God did tempt Abraham Gen 22:1 3) Earth Earth abides forever Eccl 1:4 Elements shall melt, earth and the works shall be burned up 2 Peter 3:10 4) power of god With god all things are possible Matt 19:26 Lord was with Judah, drove out inhabitants of the mountain but not inhabitants of the Valley because they had chariots of iron Judges 1:19 5) Sword Put aside your sword, for all who take sword shall perish with the sword Matt26:52 He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one Luke 22:36 6) crucifixion They crucified him in the 3rd hour Mark 15:25 About the 6th hour, they crucified him John 19: 14-16 7) Jesus Jesus never answered Pilate and Pilate marvelled greatly Matt 27:13-14 Jesus answered Pilate John 18:33-34 8) Sins Everyone bear own sins. Sins not passed to another Deut 24:16 Sins are passed down to the 4th generations Exodus 20:5 All sin thru one man Romans 5:12 Children do not bear parent's sins Ezekial 18:20 Slaughter the children for their father's sins Isaiah 14:21:22 9) god God does not change Malachi 3:6 God does not lie and repent Numbers 23:19 The lord repented of the evil he thought of doing to his people Exodus 32:14 The lord put a lying spirit in the mouth of some prophets 1 kings 22:23 and god allows people to be deluded Thessul 2:11-12 though lying lips are a abomination to the lord Prov 12:22 New covenants given because first eternal covenants given to Jews were faulty Hebrews 8:7 10) Grace Man is saved through grace, not works Ephesians 2:8-9 By works a man is justified, not by faith alone James 2:24 11) Parents Honor thy parents Exodus 20:12 Death for disobeying parents Romans 1:29-32 Whoever does not hate father, mother cannot be my disciple Luke 14:26, Matt 10:34 12) Freewill Freewill in Christianity is a myth as shown in Romans 9:9-24 where things are predistined and mankind could be punished even for things out of their control. The list does not end here and anyone of the above is sufficient to prove the bible is unreliable. Since we cannot trust the bible on things we can see, all the more reasons we cannot trust the bible on what it says about things we cannot see.

@fanabudrogh9241 If you need to justify biblical self contradictions by comparing with other famous writers, then your heads have gone to the dogs. Shakespeare may make mistakes but we expect a much higher standard from an entity that claim to be god. Here are more of the silly biblical self contradictions. 1) Nebuzaradan He came to Jerusalem in the 5th month, 7th day, 2 kings 25:8 He came to jerusalem in the 5th month, 10th day, Jeremiah 52:12 2) Jehoiachin He was 18 years old when he began to reign, he reigned for 3 months, 2 kings 24:8 He was 8 years old when he began to reign, he reigned 3 months and 10 days, 2 chronicles 36:9 3) Ahaziah He was 22 years old when he began to reign, 2 kings 8:26 He was 42 years old when he began to reign, 2 chronicles 22:2 4) Jesus tomb They came to the sepulchre in the first day of the week at the rising of the sun, Mark 16:2 They came to the sepulchre in the first day of the week when it was dark, John 20:1 5) Crucifixion They crucified Jesus in the 3rd hour, Mark 15:25 They crucified Jesus in the 6th hour, John 19: 14-16 6) Huram He cast 2 bronze pillars 18 cubits high and 12 cubits in circumference, 1 kings 7:15 He cast 2 pillars 35 cubits high with a capital 5 cubits high, 2 chronicles 3:15 7) Noah ark Bring 2 of every sort of living beings, Gen 6:19 Bring 7 of every clean beasts and 2 of unclean beasts, Gen 7:2 8) After resurrection After 6 days, Jesus took peter, James, john and his brother up to a high mountain, Matt 17:1 On the 8th day, Jesus took peter, john and James to the mountain, Luke 9:28 9) Michal, daughter of Saul Michal had no child unto the day of her death, 2 Samuel 6:23 The king took the 5 sons of Michal, 2 Samuel 21:8 10) Good works Let others see your good works to glorify your father, Matt 5:16 Hide your good works, otherwise your father will not reward you, Matt 6:1. Trusting the bible is like trusting politicians who self contradict.

In John only Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, in Matthew the two Marys and in Luke at least 3 women. They cant even agree on who went to the empty tomb.

@@germanboy14typical jon snow statement: Adolf!

Ah, Jon Snow: fantasy TV series has a place for U.

I can tell you...... the tomb wasn't empty. It had a stinky, smelly, decomposing body in it. All the spices, and everything nices, couldn't help to to put humpty dumpty together again.

​@@chadtyrone hey Chad, you follow mask up idiot priests of the Holy Innoculate instead😂

@@mgbilby I haven't published but have collected many sources. out of m own interest. If you want the best run downs the books of David Fitzgerald are your best and most detailed summaries. "Nailed" and the three volumes of "Jesus: Mything in Action" . The works of the German Lutheran theological schools have done the best academic work on New Testament texts and their analysis and dating, while a number of works on the mystery religions of Greece and Rome show startling similarities in detail to the Jesus story.

@@1ofTheChosen I am talking about the Dionysus/Bacchus mystery religion, not the Greek myths. The Mysteries were so highly regarded and held in awe that even the mad emperor Nero was afraid to demand initiation. This religion was completely different from what you are referring to, and there is plenty of writing on it, so I suggest you do your own homework before pointing the finger at others.

You don’t judge a faith by the followers you judge it based on the teachings and founder of the faith. Let’s not get carried away.

I agree. I was wanting to hear some conclusive points and arguments, not inferences on basic research. This man is a sophist - speaks pretty but doesn’t actually say anything. We need a philosopher.

Thank you for the superthanks

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Yeah, so cool you'll be going: "Oh the egg, oh the crow!" Some cool. Oh the look on your face, on Judgment Day when you'll discover the Bible's actual basis for the only possible and guaranteed solution to sin and its resulting evil, and your actual quality of due diligence, for which you'll have no one to blame but yourself, if you don't up your game before it's too late.

That is interesting l think the same way. I'm no christian but there seems to be something about the name Jesus.

Same thing happened to me. Jesus is real. Can't deny the spiritual realm.

As a Christian, I have often wondered about different stories in the Bible, and I specifically looked up a video discounting the resurrection to see how unbelievers think. That being said, whether people take the Bible literally or figuratively, I would say I’m somewhere in between, the power of Jesus is absolutely real, and I have faith that God is indeed real. The same power that raised Him from the dead is the same power that drives out demons, and that fascinates people to this very day. Whenever people question, and I leave Christianity, they feel a moment of “oh no” it’s because, I believe, deep down they know there is truth to it, and that moment of trepidation is conviction. I happy to hear that you understand and have experienced the deliverance that comes with following Jesus. God is not scared by our questions, and one day, our faith shall be made sight.

You doubt the historicity of Peter and Paul?

@Ryan Revland Not that Peter and Paul didn't exist. That they worshipped the mythicist version of Jesus. So you have the real guy, John the Baptist disciple, and the fake guy, the celestial diety for Peter and Paul.

to say someone "didnt exist" is equivalent to saying that there's no single person matching the figure. If there were 10 or 100 people somewhat matching Jesus, or Paul, then we can say Paul didnt exist, but is essentially an amalgamation instead.

@Drew Trox Imagine the balls it must take to walk up to another man and say Your name is Peter now.

Oh how little you realize how differently you'll be thinking one day. Oh the egg, oh the crow, oh the look on your face on Judgment Day when you'll discover your actual quality of due diligence, for which you'll have no one to blame but yourself, if you don't up your game before it's too late.

@@AighEnoughAlready word salad 🤔 not sure what you are saying 🤷‍♀️ are you ok

​@@hypatiastanhope8273 poor word salad at that, sounds like a fear filled abused low educated person there.

@@AighEnoughAlready Maybe not commenting before taking your medicin.

@Hypatia Stanhope @@tomasverner5354 You dear souls. As if deflecting focus from my loving warning could somehow lessen, make up for, excuse your fault on that day for your quality of due diligence on God's existence, too casually assuming He must've relied on disputed arguments, set theory, or some such. Again, I'm saying that if you don't look more closely and carefully at the most unmistakable evidence of His existence, before it's too late, you'll have to deal with a mighty embarrassing amount of egg on your face, and have to eat a mighty embarrassing amount of crow on that shocking day. And if you choose to disregard my warning, it'll be your infinite loss, I'm afraid.

WHY? He asserts things as things he knows, when in fact he doesn't know!

The Shroud of Turin is a joke. I'm amazed that anyone takes it seriously.

Derek, if you see the comment I'm responding to, I completely agree with him. Go deeper, not easier. I'll pay real money if you do release something like that. Not so interested in popular level books and courses anymore.

Yeah i too and struggling to find the grandiose revelation here. I mean this whole channel is about the Resurrection not happening and the NT copying Greek Tragedy story tropes, This guy was like, *if I'm right I bring down all of Christianity and go to hell* I mean really?

​@@TheInterestedObserverexactly😂😂😂

There are many great scholars that either believe in God or not ,many intellectuals and men and women of degees after degrees, that will always battle over religion or disbelief in religions ,nothing new to me !

True

My work was not a project of “explaining away” any genuine evidence. I am unaware of any prophecy that could significantly impact the research. Most all prophetic claims in the NT were midrashic reinterpretations of prior texts that had nothing to do with any historical man “Jesus”.. parts of Isaiah were used in the Synoptic gospels to fashion the depiction of Jesus. Those attempts, however, were not only inventive, but contrived. They were not true to Isaiah’s original meanings.

Sauron is lord!

Aigh. As if Jesus' and Peter's childhood homes haven't always been known.

It strikes me that the Jesus who overturned the vendor tables in the temple in anger; THAT was a glimpse of the historical person. That sounds like it really happened.

@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 It all really happened, believe it or not. And it was a glimpse of His holy anger, not merely human anger. You'd know you can trust that to be so, if you would improve your quality of due diligence on the most unmistakable evidence of God's existence and Jesus' true identity. You would also know that the Gospels and epistles aren't the Bible's origin of Christianity, nor are the usual messianic prophecies, but instead the sanctuary service. Believe it or not, all of the major elements of God's eternal and only possible solution for sin and its resulting evil are all laid out in richly-detailed object lessons in the sanctuary service.

@AighEnoughAlready believe it or not? Right. I don't believe it all "really happened. "

@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 Maybe. But if you were to unblind yourself to the conclusive evidence for God and Jesus' true identity, to truly do your due diligence, you'd know you can trust that it all really did happen. Oh, if only.

Nonsense. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of would-be messiahs preaching their message and prophecies in and around Judea, not to mention the minions of pagan salesmen pitching their take on Isis, Mithras, Zeus, and a host of other gods to the pagan masses throughout the Roman Empire. The Roman authorities only forbade those that spoke of insurrection and rebellion. The preaching and pitching of religious cults and practices in the public square was a part of life in the pre-Christian Roman Empire.

Oh how little you realize how differently you'll be thinking one day. Oh the egg, oh the crow, oh the look on your face on Judgment Day when you'll discover your actual quality of due diligence, for which you'll have no one to blame but yourself, if you don't up your game before it's too late.

@@AighEnoughAlready A bit of a random comment - all he did was thank Derek for a great video.

@@cpnlsn88 Random? Hardly. I'm warning him, and maybe you, that you won't be feeling so thankful on Judgment Day, if he/you doesn't improve his quality of due diligence on God's existence before it's too late. And if you have any wisdom left, you'll heed my warning too.

@@AighEnoughAlreadySo…You didn’t actually hear the video. Instead you jumped over here to make a condemning statement at Derek but were incompetent and instead commented as a reply to someone else. According to you-we are going to hell-well gee thanks, buckaroo. Here’s your homework-Go back and read the whole bible- cover to cover-which clearly you have not. Then start reading some of what Dr. Miller has referenced. Then come back and apologize for being rude and judging people because that’s in the book. You aren’t supposed to judge people. You aren’t supposed to be prideful. Or act superior. Even you will be judged to have failed according to the Bible. Jesus would be ashamed of you! (if he ever existed).

@@1ofTheChosen ..Listen my brother in Christ. If Satan was able to deceive Judas, who was picked by Jesus, and witnessed miracles, yet betrayed the Lord, I'm not at all surprised smart, intelligent, educated people fall away to Satan's deceptions. The Pharasees had the Old Testament writings, with testified about Jesus, they couldn't discern. Been smart, intelligent, educated doesn't stop Satan and his demons from their work. It's all prophesied, many will fall away from the faith in the Last Days. Lets pray for them to return to the Lord like the prodigal son..Stay strong and focus and do not waiver my brother...Philipans 4:13

Same here

Brothers, pray heavily. Don't allow this to sway you away. This doesn't explain prophecy that came to pass. Who do these gentleman believe the true God is? Big bang ? Cmon seriously.

That sounds like a blind assertion by Muhammad. We don't know if they really crucified him or not, it was a penalty mimicking male-to-male intercourse (Seneca Minor, Moral Epistles 101.10-14, see also Pozzuoli Graffito and the Vivat Crux Graffito). So it could be that Jesus survived the ordeal, or Judas "Iscariot" volunteered to take his place by claiming that HE was the J-man and the Roman soldiers believed him, or it was all made up.

Who is "we"?

They killed the physical body of Jesus, and foolishly thought that they had destroyed the cause of Christ.

@@mytmouse57 any evidence any witness for this? Or, you rely on the fake history books?

​@@mytmouse57 Well said.